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Joe Cahill was a Belfast man. He was also the Big Man behind the IRA....The Godfather who supplied the guns and the drive for almost 30 years of bloody war in Ireland.

He travelled all over the United States for support for the Irish Cause & Fight For Irish Freedom. And many many Americans poured millions of dollars into the IRA in the early years from 1920s to the present day.

Jailed during the IRA's Border Campaign in 1950s Joe Cahill rejected the IRA's shift into Socialism and democratic politics in the 1960s.

When the Troubles broke out, Joe Cahill was on the frontline. He supplied guns and explosives for the IRA. Much of the lethal weaoponry came from Colonel Murmar Gadaffi of Libya and from Russia.

He would have liked to have lived to see a United Ireland. He died two months ago.

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Is there a Peace? Its all a joke. Only last week members of the IRA were in Hungary looking to buy new weapons. :-2

President George W.Bush should block Sinn Fein IRA from travelling around the United States collecting money from Irish Americans to buy even more weapions to murder British & Irish people.



What is G.W. doing about that?

capt_buzzard wrote: Is there a Peace? Its all a joke. Only last week members of the IRA were in Hungary looking to buy new weapons. :-2

President George W.Bush should block Sinn Fein IRA from travelling around the United States collecting money from Irish Americans to buy even more weapions to murder British & Irish people.



What is G.W. doing about that?
Good point. I, for one, don't know.

A rhetorical question: Is it/Would it be good to allow a country to break off and seek independence?

Only very few want independence from Britain today. And we all know who they are. We are more connected today to Britain than other time in our history.

capt_buzzard wrote: Is there a Peace? Its all a joke. Only last week members of the IRA were in Hungary looking to buy new weapons. :-2

President George W.Bush should block Sinn Fein IRA from travelling around the United States collecting money from Irish Americans to buy even more weapions to murder British & Irish people.



What is G.W. doing about that?
I've been saying the same thing since GW started his campaign against terrorism.

From what I can see there is as much fault on the protestant side as the catholic, certainly in Scotland most sectarian violence is protestant on catholic. I reckon for a lot of them the violence cand intimidation has become the purpose rather than the means.

Leaving aside the historical origins of the conflict in Northern Ireland for the moment you would think people would be able to decide to stop fighting about religon and just live in peace. Most of the most extreme that I have spoken to know very little of what started it all and more to the poinbt don't really want to it is a way of life.

gmc wrote: From what I can see there is as much fault on the protestant side as the catholic


AFAIR that is the reason why "the troops were sent in" in the first place.

They,the EU member states in which Ireland is a full member is looking to the EU Parliament to do a Jim-will-fix it solution to Northern Ireland. The Irish or the British will never ever settle it now.

The Peace Process is dead and buried.

Ireland's Own www.irelandsown.net

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Bill Sikes wrote: AFAIR that is the reason why "the troops were sent in" in the first place.
And of course The British supplied the Loyalist Para military groups UDA/UVF for years.

capt_buzzard wrote: And of course The British supplied the Loyalist Para military groups UDA/UVF for years.


Who was convicted of what offences regarding that?

posted by capn buzzard

Only very few want independence from Britain today. And we all know who they are. We are more connected today to Britain than other time in our history.


Are you talking exclusively about northern ireland? I assume you are otherwise I am getting confused.

posted by bill sikes

Who was convicted of what offences regarding that?


There were a lot of people in scotland financing udf/uda. The whole thing is so tied up in blind hatred trying to understand it is just about impossible. go along to an old firm match if you want to see a microcosm.

posted by capn buzzard

The Irish or the British will never ever settle it now.

The Peace Process is dead and buried.


I hope you are wrong

Bill Sikes wrote: Who was convicted of what offences regarding that?None. They don't arresst their own :guitarist www.relativesforjustice.com

The British Empire + The United Kingdom as we know it is over, finished. The EU is taking over and you are all to blame.

gmc wrote: There were a lot of people in scotland financing udf/uda.


Were people actually convicted? The Capt. has not responded so far.

Bill Sikes wrote: Were people actually convicted? The Capt. has not responded so far.
I said None were convicted. They moved them out of NI and gave them all medals.

They don't arresst their own

www.relativesforjustice.com

But the Irish have helped bring down the empire, the UK is next :wah:

capt_buzzard wrote: I said None were convicted. They moved them out of NI and gave them all medals.

They don't arresst their own

www.relativejustice.com


Hard facts rather than propoganda would be acceptable.

I do not wish to get involved over the internet on this issue. I'm not a Sinn Fein supporter. But I am an Irish republican. :guitarist

capt_buzzard wrote: I do not wish to get involved over the internet on this issue. I'm not a Sinn Fein supporter. But I am an Irish republican. :guitarist


So that's a "no", then.

gmc wrote: Are you talking exclusively about northern ireland? I assume you are otherwise I am getting confused.



There were a lot of people in scotland financing udf/uda. The whole thing is so tied up in blind hatred trying to understand it is just about impossible. go along to an old firm match if you want to see a microcosm.



I hope you are wrong Northern Ireland. The British last stand.

capt_buzzard wrote: Northern Ireland. The British last stand.


Trip trap trip trap....

Bill Sikes wrote: Trip trap trip trap.... It won't be the Irish that will pull the UK apart... :wah: And I'll dance a gig to that day.

posted by capn buzzard

But the Irish have helped bring down the empire, the UK is next


The British Empire + The United Kingdom as we know it is over, finished. The EU is taking over and you are all to blame.


they helped build it as well. I always reckoned it was the troops coming back from war and voting churchill out that made it clear what they wanted to happen, even on those days the talk of empire was becoming passe.

Northern Ireland. The British last stand.


So you think Michael Collins was wrong? I reckon Northern Ireland would have been a bloodbath without partition, feelings were even stronger then than they are now.

posted by capn buzzard

Only very few want independence from Britain today. And we all know who they are. We are more connected today to Britain than other time in our history.




Now I'm confused are you talking about North or South?

posted by capn buzzard

I do not wish to get involved over the internet on this issue. I'm not a Sinn Fein supporter. But I am an Irish republican.




I would agree, sectarianism is vile whoever is responsible, there are always those who would blow on the embers-I think the violence has become the goal rather than a means now. Ban seperate religious schools and keep religon out of education altogether I think you would kill sectarianism in a couple of generations.

I always recall as a seven year old finding out that half my class were going to a new catholic school. I always remember the conversation, "why are you going to a different school? Because we're catholic. What's that? A different religon. Does that mean you're not Christian. No we're just a different religon. A month later some of my frineds were going round after school to beat up the papes. I've thought it was daft ever since. You have to teach little kids these kinds of things.

Mind you I suspect the thugs woulfd find something else to fight about

posted by tombstone

A rhetorical question: Is it/Would it be good to allow a country to break off and seek independence?


Can't resist, did you guys not have a civil war over just this question?

Britain is heading for civil war within the next few years according to British National Party, in regards to the refugee problem

posted by capn buzzard

Britain is heading for civil war within the next few years according to British National Party, in regards to the refugee problem


The mentality that leads to sectarianism takes many forms. Take away the mindless thuggery and they have nothing left most of them are blustering cowards when you meet them on their own. They need to believe that crap.

In Scotland pre war fascism took the form of radical anti catholic sectarianism it died put when the comaprisons to the nazis became more obvious but fopr a while was incredibly viscious.

http://www.bbk.ac.uk/polsoc/download/er ... smWest.pdf

http://www.isf.org.uk/ISFJournal/eJourn ... ianism.htm

Most orangemen i find don't know why the "ulster scots" are there in the first place or why 400 years later it still goes on. Then the catholics in lanarkshire stop an interdenominational school going ahead because they want seperate entrances, joint classes just different doors and the bigots all go see it's them. A plague on both their houses. Talking about it can be downright dangerous as thinking hurts, so many people they become violent instead.

I am not terribly religious but sometimes I think religon is proof god exists, has a sense of humour and loves irony.

Well spoken GMC. And then the English kept the wars going on and on.

I support the Patten Commission on their call for an end of, and removal of plastic bullets from the Security Forces in Northern Ireland. These lethal weapons have killed people, and indeed blinded some children. The Police Service of Northern continues to purchase these weapons. But in the mainland UK, these weapons have never been used in roits there. Alternatives to plastic bullets must be found.

gmc wrote: From what I can see there is as much fault on the protestant side as the catholic, certainly in Scotland most sectarian violence is protestant on catholic. I reckon for a lot of them the violence cand intimidation has become the purpose rather than the means.

Leaving aside the historical origins of the conflict in Northern Ireland for the moment you would think people would be able to decide to stop fighting about religon and just live in peace. Most of the most extreme that I have spoken to know very little of what started it all and more to the poinbt don't really want to it is a way of life.
Religion is the cause of much Evil in Ireland, never mind the rest of the world

Bill Sikes wrote: Hard facts rather than propoganda would be acceptable. The British have a great Propoganda machine. They invented it

I thought I had brought an end to this British & Irish conflict in this forum. After all this forum is about Community/ Friendship. But there are one or two here, who wish to keep it going. Perhaps I need to bring in some Nationalist politicans to answer some of your questions. I'm not a politican.