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The Honorable Reverand Phelps brings you God Hates Fags.



http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/index.html

Without getting into my whole theory on homosexuality - I think that the "Rev" Phelps is really nothing more then a hate monger. If it wasn't "fags"" it would be someone else.

that guy is an entire chapter unto himself in the diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders/diseases.

The authors of that site are degenerate indeed.

God does not hate "fags" he hates "fag" behaviour, SIN. The authors of that site demonstrate that they are Biblically illiterate and teach falsely, hence they are doing something that GOD hates also!

Anyone with three ounces of real learning from the Bible knows that "hell" is for a set period of time, ie. "eon" not eternity. But being basically illiterate so that they cannot decipher plain English, those folks fall into the same trap any of the so called "fundamentalists" do. They knee jerk there way into people's pocketbooks and laugh all the way to the bank with their ill gotten gains.

AND I DO BELIEVE THE BIBLE, ALL OF IT!

Some (most) people are just blind.

downag:-5

Somehow, I think that God would have more tolerance for people who sin then he would for someone who can not show compassion for fellow human beings.

Look - if you want to make a stand against homosexual behviour, it seems that you would protest where the homosexuals are.

Could it be, that "Rev." Phelps is afraid of getting his butt kicked by a bunch of fags?

Because I can promise you that no self respecting military wife (or mother) would give a protester the time of day.

Ive read quite a bit from his anal annals out of morbid curiousity. Its pretty fascinating how *ucked up this guy really is. He really did a brainwash # on his wife and kids as well. One of them managed to get out but not unscathed or without consequence. In all seriousness hes disturbed and viscously hateful, his tirades have nothing to do with Godly matters and everything to do with being raised in a mentally unstable home. Hes just passing the torch and unfortunately some people are buying in to his lunacy. I think for the most part though hes just a passing blip that will eventually implode.

This guy and his website are seriously SICK....I want to say more, but at the moment I'm speechless.

SnoozeControl wrote: I first read that as "God hates eggs" and I got really sort of annoyed about the whole thing!



Truth.:yh_blush




Im sure the great Rev has some documentation on God & eggs as well. :rolleyes:

The worst part about this idiot Rev.?, is that he has followers.

downag wrote: God does not hate "fags" he hates "fag" behaviour, SIN. downer, every time I see a similar statement, I can't resist the temptation to point out that in Leviticus, women wearing jeans is condemned in EXACTLY the same terms as homosexual acts, 'God hates that'.

Funny how some Christians tend to 'pick and choose' which verses of Scripture they will not only observe but beat other people over the head with, and which verses they will simply ignore.

By the way, wearing clothes made of two kinds of fabric is also condemned (Lev 19:19), though less strongly as the previous examples. Anybody wearing cotton/polyester blends out there?

It's funny how people so obsessed with homosexuals never seem to consider their own prurience as ever so slightly abnormal.

Bronwen wrote: downer, every time I see a similar statement, I can't resist the temptation to point out that in Leviticus, women wearing jeans is condemned in EXACTLY the same terms as homosexual acts, 'God hates that'.



Funny how some Christians tend to 'pick and choose' which verses of Scripture they will not only observe but beat other people over the head with, and which verses they will simply ignore.



By the way, wearing clothes made of two kinds of fabric is also condemned (Lev 19:19), though less strongly as the previous examples. Anybody wearing cotton/polyester blends out there?


Quite frankly Ive never met a Christian that doesnt do this, especially for verses that dont coincide with their own logic or for a verse they cant reasonably explain away.

Lon wrote: The worst part about this idiot Rev.?, is that he has followers.
Yup, and they call themselves 'church', a 'community'.

This group is one that condones and promotes protesting at soldier's funerals. I am sickened by what I read there. I didn't stay long, just long enough to send the following comments:



So, you've heard it all before. Too bad, you'll hear it again. Unbelieveable that you say you are doing this in the name of God. This group is a bunch of sick, twisted, perverted, paranoid nut-jobs. When you go to your pickets, I hope there's a group of my fellow bikers there and they kick your ignorant asses. You are a small-minded group, elitist and wrong.

Funny thing, I hate homosexuality. But you take things too far. You disrupt a family's grieving with your sickness and lies and perverted thinking, for what? Do you actually think they will listen to you? You talk about God as if you know him. Well, he knows you and His judgement of you will be much different than what you expect.

Back turned,

The first and most obvious indicator of latent homosexuality.. is an obsession with ,or a hatered for homosexuals, or homosexual behavior.

I must be a latent socialist, then. :rolleyes:

First of all homosexual acts are not a sin. Perhaps we should leave the judging up to God. That is His role.

Secondly my opinion of this man is in parallel with FarRiders.

Shalom

Ted:-6

If following his teachings will get you into heaven, I prefer to go to hell.:-5

Accountable wrote: I must be a latent socialist, then. :rolleyes::yh_rotfl

So when will you be coming out of the closet then? Lipstick socialist, now there's a thought.

Mind you stalin thought homosexuality was a bourgeous perversion and a product of a decadent society, perhaps he and phelps would have in common.

Bronwen;

JEANS?

You mean about where it says a woman shouldn't wear a man's clothes. In those days a man wore a robe and such, and later "kilts" etc. I think the thought being conveyed is that a woman shouldn't take the place of a man "sexually".

Think about it. You create two genders of beings with the differences being quite obvious, with the ability to reproduce - and the boys begin to go after the other boys. I'd be upset. Wouldn't you?

It just ain't right!

downag wrote: Bronwen;

JEANS?

You mean about where it says a woman shouldn't wear a man's clothes. In those days a man wore a robe and such, and later "kilts" etc. I think the thought being conveyed is that a woman shouldn't take the place of a man "sexually".

Think about it. You create two genders of beings with the differences being quite obvious, with the ability to reproduce - and the boys begin to go after the other boys. I'd be upset. Wouldn't you?

It just ain't right!I might be upset if I knew what you were talking about! Maybe you could rephrase it. Surely you're not saying that unisex clothing promotes homosexuality. Are you?

I'm not sure what they wore back then; the point is, those who insist that the Bible be taken literally nevertheless tend to pick and choose which, of course, completely invalidates their position.

koochikoo wrote: [...]



Do these anti-gay god-botherers really believe that they are going to make a difference?
No. It's a self-gratifying exercise, much like the dog that barks ferociously at you as you approach walking down the sidewalk, then congratulates himself for chasing you away as you pass by.



koochikoo wrote: Do they think that homosexuals have a choice? Have they ever considered that they are gay because that’s how god made them? I don’t believe that homosexuals, given the choice, would have chosen freely a path of life consisting of so much persecution, ostracism, and hatred; they would not choose to have their sex life under constant scrutiny of others. Would you?



[...]
The type person (or whatever) that a person is sexually attracted to is not a choice; it's a feeling, impulse, or some other noun I can't think of right now. What is a choice is the behavior that comes because of that attraction.



Ted may be attracted to Alice, but he chooses how to behave - either to pursue her romantically or not, drop a frog down her dress, fantasize about her while in the shower, whatever. Lots of variables impact the choice, such as Alice's pro-football hubby, the fact that Alice abhors Ted, Alice's lesbian lover, Ted's wife & kids, you get the picture.



So - putting this as gently and nonjudgmentally as I can - while a person's homosexual feelings or impulses are not from choice, acting on those feelings or impulses are absolutely the individual's choice. Therefore yes, openly gay people choose to be in the situation they are in.



Would I choose to represent a group or behaviour that the majority of society views as unacceptable or even abhorrent? I would have to be a dyed in the wool believer to do so, but as more and more chose to behave that way, my decision would be easier.

i thought the title said "Frogs" referring to the French. which i would have to agree with.

Quel horreur!!

Accountable wrote: I must be a latent socialist, then. :rolleyes:
Scoff... if you will....

AussiePam wrote: Quel horreur!!
what's that mean? i'm a dumb Yank and don't speak nuttin but american.

For one, I only know one Alice and she is a fundamentalist preacher, so there. LOL

Koochikoo:-6

An absolutely wonderful post. I am in complete agreement.





As far as homosexual behaviour goes I wonder if God would really object to sexual activity between to loving and committed adults regardless of gender. Why would God prevent or deny a group of individual the plaesures of a loving committed relationshp? I don't think He would.

Surely to goodness we have better and more important things to worry about. We have wars, we have oppressed people, we have starvation and we have folks around the world living under evil dictators. It is time for all churches and people who call themselves Christians to start following the true teachings of Jesus and get rid of our penchant for imperialism and absurd religious triumphalism.

In fact perhaps it is time to dismantle Christendom and begin a new Christian movement.

BTW I am a democratic socialist as was the early church described in the book of Acts.

I would not go quite that far but I would like to shee Christains move in that direction and do justice and love kindliness and walk humbly with our God (Micah 6:8) or Matt. 25:31ff.

Shalom

Ted:-6

Somehow it seems to me that God would be willing to fogive the sin of a homosexual that was in a monogmous relationship, was compassionate toward his/her fellow humans, didn't kick the dog when he/she came home from work.

I mean, don't we have enough going on in the world - murderers, drug dealers, child abusers, rapists, etc. Is it really THAT important who someone sleeps with? If you found out the BTK killer was gay - which would you condem hm for? The fact that he was gay or the fact that he killed so many people?

Ted wrote: For one, I only know one Alice and she is a fundamentalist preacher, so there. LOL



Koochikoo:-6



An absolutely wonderful post. I am in complete agreement.









As far as homosexual behaviour goes I wonder if God would really object to sexual activity between to loving and committed adults regardless of gender. Why would God prevent or deny a group of individual the plaesures of a loving committed relationshp? I don't think He would.



Surely to goodness we have better and more important things to worry about. We have wars, we have oppressed people, we have starvation and we have folks around the world living under evil dictators. It is time for all churches and people who call themselves Christians to start following the true teachings of Jesus and get rid of our penchant for imperialism and absurd religious triumphalism.



In fact perhaps it is time to dismantle Christendom and begin a new Christian movement.



BTW I am a democratic socialist as was the early church described in the book of Acts.



I would not go quite that far but I would like to shee Christains move in that direction and do justice and love kindliness and walk humbly with our God (Micah 6:8) or Matt. 25:31ff.



Shalom

Ted:-6
Since I think I'm the only one to mention behavior (and it's all about me anyway ) I should point out that no one said the behavior was objectionable, only voluntary.

LilacDragon wrote: Somehow it seems to me that God would be willing to fogive the sin of a homosexual that was in a monogmous relationship, was compassionate toward his/her fellow humans, didn't kick the dog when he/she came home from work.



I mean, don't we have enough going on in the world - murderers, drug dealers, child abusers, rapists, etc. Is it really THAT important who someone sleeps with? If you found out the BTK killer was gay - which would you condem hm for? The fact that he was gay or the fact that he killed so many people?
I'm no expert, but I don't think God made monogamy mandatory.

In the OT it is not uncommon to read of a man having several wives as well as concubines. It was ok then.

Shalom

Ted:-6

Ted wrote: In the OT it is not uncommon to read of a man having several wives as well as concubines. It was ok then.

Shalom

Ted:-6


Well, then whyis it that all these bible thumping hate monegers are so quick to condemn men who have affairs?

Seems to me that the religous right was all over Clinton and the little blue dress. But they don't seem to mind a President that lied to get us into a war which has killed over 2,000 Americans and an untold number of Iraqi citizens. Sorry, but I really don't get that at all.

LilacDragon:-6

They simply twist what they read for their own postion.

Shalom

Ted:-6

Can I ask a question..............why would God hate someone he created?.....God created gays........

Ted wrote: LilacDragon:-6

They simply twist what they read for their own postion.

Shalom

Ted:-6


I know, Ted. Doesn't it just make you want to smack someone upside the head with a cast iron skillet?

LilacDragon:-6

It always annoys me when I see folks misusing the sacred scriptures. Of course their misuse is my opinion, although I have a great deal of support from my research into scholarship. The problem is that there is so much insecurity out there that some folks will believe anything that looks like it comes close to their own opinions. That is indeed a frightening problem as they are usually the extremists and they do cause a lot of pain for a lot of folks.

Shalom

Ted:-6

I'd say he ws pretty effective. First he got Nomad to pay attention to him, then he got the rest of us to read his crap.

He's up for the "Hate Monger of the Year" award for that.

LilacDragon wrote: Somehow it seems to me that God would be willing to fogive the sin of a homosexual that was in a monogmous relationship, was compassionate toward his/her fellow humans, didn't kick the dog when he/she came home from work.



I mean, don't we have enough going on in the world - murderers, drug dealers, child abusers, rapists, etc. Is it really THAT important who someone sleeps with? If you found out the BTK killer was gay - which would you condem hm for? The fact that he was gay or the fact that he killed so many people?




The astounding Reverend Phelps & family would most likely come to the conclusion that homosexuals are murderers.

Those are the people that go to funerals of our fallen soldiers and protest them, calling them gay, etc... They were here in the town I live in before Christmas with their banners and words. Those people are really sick.

This is the reply I got from them.





You give yourself away as being ignorant of the word of God when you say

that sending you verses won't answer your question. Using the Scriptures is

the only way to truly answer your question as this is what drives us in our

mission to spread the word the God hates fags.

I have decided to dedicate my life to serving the only living God, our Lord

Jesus Christ. Yes, this is where my skills are most needed. Nothing is more

important than serving God. Following His commandments includes showing this

evil and sinful generation their sins. Isa 58:1 "Cry aloud, spare not, lift

up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the

house of Jacob their sins." It is necessary that we devote ourselves to this

task day and night with all our energy because Ec 9:10 "Whatsoever thy hand

findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor

knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest."

We preach this timely message that God hates fags because that is the issue

of the day. The government of the United States has given itself over to

promoting the fag agenda. The zeitgeist is such that people in this nation

are intimidated and bullied out of saying anything negative about fags, even

when it is true. It would be a sin for us to have this scriptural knowledge

and sit here quietly watching the sodomites take over. Mat 16: 3 "And in

the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring.

O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern

the signs of the times?"

We have not chosen this topic to be of such importance, the Lord God has

proclaimed it to be so. Sodomy is the only sin for which the Lord has

destroyed an entire civilization (He rained fire and brimstone down on Sodom

and Gomorrah in Genesis 19). Sodomy is also singled out in Romans 1 as

indicating that God has given a person up to the devil. Rom 1:26 "For this

cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change

the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the

men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward

another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in

themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as

they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a

reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being

filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness,

maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of

evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding,

covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are

worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do

them." The apostle Paul instructs us that God has turned these people over

to their own lusts, which cannot save them on the judgment day but rather

will condemn them to Hell for eternity. It is therefore necessary that we

warn this nation as we are instructed to do in Isaiah 58:1 as mentioned

above as well as Ez 33: 9 "Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way

to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his

iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.", Isa 13: 2 "Lift ye up a

banner upon the high mountain, exalt the voice unto them, shake the hand,

that they may go into the gates of the nobles.", Joh 8: 11 "She said, No

man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin

no more.", Mt 3: 7 "But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come

to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned

you to flee from the wrath to come?" On that great and terrible day, no one

in America will be able to say that Westboro Baptist Church didn't warn them

to flee the wrath to come.

These anti-smoking campaigns are going just too far!

It's all too easy to hijack Christianity (any religion) to push your own views, interests, fears. Scary when so many people seem to feel themselves in a position personally to know the mind of God. You can quote the Bible to prove just about anything.

So much hypocrisy. So little Christian charity and compassion... sigh

Well, that's my vent over for today.



Acc, Clipper!!! You blokes smoking in here.... Git outside!!!!!

God hates fags? I didn't know that the smoking ban had gotten as far as the pearly gates! lol.

It's interesting sometimes to see how humans apply human reasoning to 'GOD'.

Such folly.............Does the creator really percieve things as we humans do I doubt it...... I think apperances can be decieving untill humans posess the omniscience,omnipresence and omnipotance of "god 'they could only if partially comprehend his way of thinking.

lux77 wrote: It's interesting sometimes to see how humans apply human reasoning to 'GOD'.

Such folly.............Does the creator really percieve things as we humans do I doubt it...... I think apperances can be decieving untill humans posess the omniscience,omnipresence and omnipotance of "god 'they could only if partially comprehend his way of thinking.


lux;

If you will recall your scripture, he manifested here on this planet and walked as a man for 33 years. He knows all about us and knows how we think and why. The scripture also says that he will open up the understanding of those he plans to use, that they would be fully furnished unto every good work.

I do not agree with the hate mongers though.

Most of that anti homo crowd are the same ones who want you to come to church every time the doors are open and give your money until it hurts and jump up and down along with them when the preacher starts to shout about how they all are gonna fly away at any moment. Those liars who believe that at any moment crud are the same ones Christ told about when he said they would cross deserts and climb mountains to gain one convert, and when they had they would turn him into ten times the child of hell they were.

Preaching false doctrine (whether you realise it or not) is a greater sin than being a fag.

It says in the Bible that false teachers would suffer a greater damnation!

d:-5