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Kuffar/kafir - Any non-Muslim. Seen as legitimate targets

Caliphate (khilafa) - the dream of a global Islamic caliphate, enforcing strict Sharia law on all

Halal - Something permitted by Islam (not just food)

Haram - Something forbidden by Islam, which included E number food additives

Jihad - Obligation to fight a holy war against enemies of Islam, including terrorism

Shahid - a martyr for the cause. This would include suicide bombers

Shaitan (Satan) - the source of all evil. Among those seen as Shaitan were western tourists

Apostates - Leaders of Muslim countries who were seen as betraying Islamic. They included President Mubarak of Egypt

Dawa - the true faith (akin to spreading the gospel). Abu Hamza was trying to spread his own brand of Islam, if necessary by force





This is what the west has to deal with. This is the teachings of islam. Why does the west act so suprised and horrified when their people and buildings and monuments get blown to bits? Has anyone really READ the koran? These folks arent playing. They want the globalization of sharia law!

No burkah for me thanks.

Raven wrote: [...]

Why does the west act so suprised and horrified when their people and buildings and monuments get blown to bits? Has anyone really READ the koran? These folks arent playing. They want the globalization of sharia law!

No burkah for me thanks.
We act so surprised and horrified because the old testament is similar to the koran, but Jews and Christians aren't acting similarly.

I like the way you have put your own opinions in there as if to give them more validation.

The words you have used are out of their vocabulary.

It's like tarnishing all Christians like this:



Peadophile - Somebody who abuses little children. English word so English people do it

Rape - Christians rape people

Faith - The Christian kind unless you are a mad foreigner.

The Devil - Gods antithesis and also all Muslims as they all bomb people.



I could go on, but I wont.

Your comments are plain stupid and have no relevance on an entire religion or nation.



You have picked words out and brushed them up to pump up your angle..

Care to tell us about E numbers in the Quran?

Tell me what page it says that on and I'll go check it out.

By the way, Dawa? It also means blessing.

Fletch wrote: I like the way you have put your own opinions in there as if to give them more validation.

The words you have used are out of their vocabulary.

It's like tarnishing all Christians like this:



Peadophile - Somebody who abuses little children. English word so English people do it

Rape - Christians rape people

Faith - The Christian kind unless you are a mad foreigner.

The Devil - Gods antithesis and also all Muslims as they all bomb people.



I could go on, but I wont.

You are plain stupid and I hope they find a cure for your ignorance.

Care to tell us about E numbers in the Quran?

Tell me what page it says that on and I'll go check it out.

By the way, Dawa? It also means blessing.


Tis an opinion Pal ya don't go on jumping up and down calling someone stupid for their opinion, maybe for their actions so settle down.

You're right so I took the stupid out as I know how people on here react

It's now for the comment.

But it still doesn't change it.



One other thing that suprises me about this place, is that very few people actually say "Whoa, slow down, that's wrong. Why tar all people be they christian, jew or muslim with the same brush?"

Got to ask but have you read the Koran??

Because it seems to me the answer to that one would be a huge no!

It appears you have simply cut and pasted or copied out of a dictionary...

If l want to debate something l will research it first even if that does mean devoting time to read something. Yes even the Koran.

Go do some research before you start bashing, or you can come across as someone who does'nt have a clue what they are talking about

If in doubt keep ye trap shut my Gran always said.

Fletch wrote: You're right so I took the stupid out as I know how people on here react

It's now for the comment.

But it still doesn't change it.



One other thing that suprises me about this place, is that very few people actually say "Whoa, slow down, that's wrong. Why tar all people be they christian, jew or muslim with the same brush?"


Ok call me dense but I am sorry I am not following what you are getting at??? Are you implying we here toss everyone into the same category and then bash them???

My issue, is that it's this kind of rubbish that stirs things up.

The top may only be anopinion, but to taper it to the end of words out of the Islamic lexicon is pointless.

It is neither here nor there.

It's acase of giving words your own meaning and then letting all the others join the bandwagon and start e-bashing for no reason.



If you have issues with extremists, fine, but to try and subjugate an entire faith?

That's messed up.

Me? Nihilistic Existentialist, I believe in nothing but myself, but I wouldn't insult an entire demograph in the process.

All the main religions have a huge black mark on them, and yes even Christianity.

I daresay that forum boards in the East are full of "Why the hell are they bombing us when we didn't do anything. Don't blame us for the actions of a few nutcases."

X billion amount of muslims don't speak for the few nutters who scream on the same religious tirade as Christian crusaders.

Do they KKK with their vile methods speak for whites or Christians?

I think not.

Does Combat18 have a stranglehold over the church?

Agian, I think not.

Those two organisations have done so much damage.

Did Christian Hitler and his entire third Reich speak for Christianity?

Hell no, so let's keep things in order and out of the jingoistic, xenophobic arena.



Bash away.

Fletch wrote: [...]



One other thing that suprises me about this place, is that very few people actually say "Whoa, slow down, that's wrong. Why tar all people be they christian, jew or muslim with the same brush?"
I see how it can look that way. Since I spend way too much time here, I've had time to notice that most of the time a few of us jump out there quickly and say just that. Others, having read what they would have posted anyway, simply let it stand for them. Better than posting "Yeh!" all the time, I guess.



I've also noticed that tenure means alot here, and the longer a Gardener is here and posting, the more outrageous stuff he gets away with posting. I purposely posted some ethnically derogatory jokes some time back, hoping to stir some emotion .......................... nuthin.

Accountable wrote:

I've also noticed that tenure means alot here, and the longer a Gardener is here and posting, the more outrageous stuff he gets away with posting. I purposely posted some ethnically derogatory jokes some time back, hoping to stir some emotion .......................... nuthin.


I remember that ACC. I think you'll find that there was a 'stunned silence' ....people couldn't quite get to grips that it was YOU that posted that rubbish. I have a feeling that that thread might get a different reaction now.



Your first point interested me....could it be that 'elder statesmen' of FG feel that there such a strong bond between them that they can push to the limit and the bond will stay strong ?

Bez wrote: I remember that ACC. I think you'll find that there was a 'stunned silence' ....people couldn't quite get to grips that it was YOU that posted that rubbish. I have a feeling that that thread might get a different reaction now.



Your first point interested me....could it be that 'elder statesmen' of FG feel that there such a strong bond between them that they can push to the limit and the bond will stay strong ?


oh oh checking elder status and wondering if I have acted out inapproperately.... (beyond crappy spelling)

Bez wrote: I remember that ACC. I think you'll find that there was a 'stunned silence' ....people couldn't quite get to grips that it was YOU that posted that rubbish. I have a feeling that that thread might get a different reaction now.
:-3 I'm not bumping it. YOU can bump it, if you want. *ducking for cover*



Bez wrote: Your first point interested me....could it be that 'elder statesmen' of FG feel that there such a strong bond between them that they can push to the limit and the bond will stay strong ?
Absolutely. Any family is the same. That's why children scream such vile, hateful things at their parents. They know it's safe to do so. :yh_flower



Then if some newbie comes in & thinks he can pee on our bushes without everyone sniffing butts first, he gets run off in a hurry. The anti-Semite is the most recent.

Accountable wrote: :-3 I'm not bumping it. YOU can bump it, if you want. *ducking for cover*



Absolutely. Any family is the same. That's why children scream such vile, hateful things at their parents. They know it's safe to do so. :yh_flower



Then if some newbie comes in & thinks he can pee on our bushes without everyone sniffing butts first, he gets run off in a hurry. The anti-Semite is the most recent.


are you running for FG senator??? So you are saying we ought to let the opinions of the newbies flow, and debate as opposed to jump all over them, antagonize them and run them off the property?? or something like that.

SnoozeControl wrote: I've got a lot of posts, but I don't consider myself an "elder" here... so I better watch my inappropriate comments, huh?
The trash that swept in at the same time you arrived nearly did you in just by association.



I think you weathered enough crap to be a fixture here. :yh_flower

OK ladies...by 'Elders' I meant those members who have been in the garden for ...I don't know....6 months, 9 months...longer ???? why don't I just crawl away to the arcade ????

Bez wrote: OK ladies...by 'Elders' I meant those members who have been in the garden for ...I don't know....6 months, 9 months...longer ???? why don't I just crawl away to the arcade ????


No no no Bez don't you do that hehehe we are not upset with you... I knew what you meant and no offense taken please...... I guess I fall into that catagory nicely......I just was thinking this topic needed a little clarification and suggestions and was looking for further answers as well.

SnoozeControl wrote: Get back here, you! I wasn't trying to start anything with you, I was seriously saying I don't have enough seniority to be the wisenheimer that Acc is. And now I'm probably going to annoy Acc for saying that...

*sigh*


I don't think you annoyed him at all Snoozer I think this is a topic that is good to throw out to the lions.... (oh no does this remind you of Phoenix??) I should go stop now huh.

minks wrote: are you running for FG senator??? So you are saying we ought to let the opinions of the newbies flow, and debate as opposed to jump all over them, antagonize them and run them off the property?? or something like that.


I think we should pack their back pocked with Black Cat firecrackers & light 'em. If they don't run home crying, they can stay. :wah:



But seriously, I know I'm a guest here but a guest who's earned respect, so I feel comfortable expressing myself. I don't like banning people and have never requested anyone be banned. I put out that call to action because I truly believed, based on the ample evidence at hand, that he was a troll. My actions showed him how seriously we took the trash he was slinging, and he worked to show us that we had misjudged him.



I daresay that some Gardeners would not have tolerated his existence, had they been logged on. Timing, more than anything, kept Chip from being banned.

minks wrote: I don't think you annoyed him at all Snoozer I think this is a topic that is good to throw out to the lions.... (oh no does this remind you of Phoenix??) I should go stop now huh.
She annoys me, alright. I think of her as an annoying kid sister ..... only older :yh_tong2

Accountable wrote: :-3 I'm not bumping it. YOU can bump it, if you want. *ducking for cover*





Absolutely. Any family is the same. That's why children scream such vile, hateful things at their parents. They know it's safe to do so. :yh_flower



Then if some newbie comes in & thinks he can pee on our bushes without everyone sniffing butts first, he gets run off in a hurry. The anti-Semite is the most recent.


OK...I've been here long enough not to care if I look shtupid......you'll just sigh and roll your eyes...I know it....

I have ESP



what is a 'Troll' ?

what does 'Bumping' mean ?

why do people get so upset when a thread goes 'off topic' ?

Bez wrote: OK...I've been here long enough not to care if I look shtupid......you'll just sigh and roll your eyes...I know it....

I have ESP



what is a 'Troll' ?

what does 'Bumping' mean ?

why do people get so upset when a thread goes 'off topic' ?
These defintions I learned here in the Garden:



Troll - somebody who's only purpose in life is to get everyone upset & pissed off. I prefer the term 'swizzle stick' because they're always stirring crap up.



Bump - to go find an old thread and post something new into it. The thread is thus 'bumped' back onto the recent threads list. Get it?



People get upset when things go off-topic because they either have more to say on the original topic or are very interested in the subject.

Accountable wrote: I think we should pack their back pocked with Black Cat firecrackers & light 'em. If they don't run home crying, they can stay. :wah:



But seriously, I know I'm a guest here but a guest who's earned respect, so I feel comfortable expressing myself. I don't like banning people and have never requested anyone be banned. I put out that call to action because I truly believed, based on the ample evidence at hand, that he was a troll. My actions showed him how seriously we took the trash he was slinging, and he worked to show us that we had misjudged him.



I daresay that some Gardeners would not have tolerated his existence, had they been logged on. Timing, more than anything, kept Chip from being banned.


oh whew thank you for the clarification, I was thinking you were meaning you thought it harsh how some of the newbies come in here and blaze through like fire torching the garden and members and then be allowed to stay... I dunno it sounds correct in my mind but does sound badly on here. I am all for giving someone a fair chance to speak, and like yourself if it is trash, if it is offensive, if it bash's a member right away they should be dealt with indeed. I too am not a fan of immediate banning, and like let's say Nethead he came in he blabbed then never returned that indicates to me we don't need him and he didn't get the satisfaction of being a **** stirrer like he thought. As well I think people have to come in and earn the respect of the elders here and all our members.

Muck slinging in a newbies first post will not be tolerated

I'm an elder?? :-2



*sudden back spasm. Looks for a rocking chair to sit in*

Accountable wrote: I see how it can look that way. Since I spend way too much time here, I've had time to notice that most of the time a few of us jump out there quickly and say just that. Others, having read what they would have posted anyway, simply let it stand for them. Better than posting "Yeh!" all the time, I guess.



I've also noticed that tenure means alot here, and the longer a Gardener is here and posting, the more outrageous stuff he gets away with posting. I purposely posted some ethnically derogatory jokes some time back, hoping to stir some emotion .......................... nuthin.


Thank you so much for saying that.

I have also noticed that the longer a person is a member, the more they get away with and the more affirmation they feel they can muster.

Now I'm a member of a lot of other boards that I have racked up a silly number of posts on.

Thankfully those boards will make you stand and answer for your own comments without the derisive need to bandwagon and e-bash.

I really do hate gang mentality and it's a shame people jump in to defend a fellow poster regardless of how offensive or stupid their post is.

I may only have a few posts, but I've read a lot!

Peace

Fletch

Fletch wrote: Thank you so much for saying that.

I have also noticed that the longer a person is a member, the more they get away with and the more affirmation they feel they can muster.



Now I'm a member of a lot of other boards that I have racked up a silly number of posts on.

Thankfully those boards will make you stand and answer for your own comments without the derisive need to bandwagon and e-bash.



I really do hate gang mentality and it's a shame people jump in to defend a fellow poster regardless of how offensive or stupid their post is.



I may only have a few posts, but I've read a lot!



Peace

Fletch
Yeh, I noticed your join date.

I don't have a frame of reference to compare the Garden to other forums. I like it here, though. Civil for the most part, dontcha think?

ArnoldLayne wrote: I have to say I have a great deal of sympathy for what Fletch has to say . Its a valid arguement, even if a bit heavy handed. Wether you like it or not you have to be "friend" here to be able to get in someones face. We dont know you from Adam, so good manners needs to be part of your armourment

That said , hge's right insuggesting that the extremists do not represent the mainstream Muslim . They have highjacked the Koran, along with certain phrases for their own purposes, just as the KKK highjacked the bible.

Who do you suppose those Baptists who picket US soldiers funerals represent. No-one but themselves but they use passages from the bible to justify their filth, using the first ammendment as defence


the friend or the more of a friend you are is something l have noticed..

If you make a commnet it is also ripe for someone to misinterpret, whether you can see how they could or not!!

I feel that if a newbie were to come here and say some of the things 'elders' say, they would get a roasting..

And l agree with the posts Fletch, l've tried saying the same thing myself, only maybe didnt manage to voice it so clearly.

Fletch wrote: Thank you so much for saying that.

I have also noticed that the longer a person is a member, the more they get away with and the more affirmation they feel they can muster.

Now I'm a member of a lot of other boards that I have racked up a silly number of posts on.

Thankfully those boards will make you stand and answer for your own comments without the derisive need to bandwagon and e-bash.

I really do hate gang mentality and it's a shame people jump in to defend a fellow poster regardless of how offensive or stupid their post is.

I may only have a few posts, but I've read a lot!

Peace

Fletch


You know Fletch I would like to side with you and all but I took great offense to your calling Raven Stupid and implying she needed a bloody cure. Yes you apologized that was brilliant.... but sorry pal it was a weak attempt to smooth things over. To me you came in looking for a fight from the start. Opinions are ALWAYS appreciated....... but to outright call anyone stupid from the get go isn't cool.

I guess many of us have friends on here and we tend to take it personally if a friend is slighted and we then come to their defense. It seems to be human nature.

minks wrote: You know Fletch I would like to side with you and all but I took great offense to your calling Raven Stupid and implying she needed a bloody cure. Yes you apologized that was brilliant.... but sorry pal it was a weak attempt to smooth things over. To me you came in looking for a fight from the start. Opinions are ALWAYS appreciated....... but to outright call anyone stupid from the get go isn't cool.

I guess many of us have friends on here and we tend to take it personally if a friend is slighted and we then come to their defense. It seems to be human nature.


Then to use your own words in a slightly different way (if you don't mind), l hope people can see why l get so angry and upset even when people are saying things like all muslims are evil or nutty or should be wiped off the face of the earth, they condone the killing of children etc

I have family and friends who are Muslim and l take great offence when people group them as they have been doing with the fanatics..

Of course l am going to defend them and the millions of other peaceful 'true' Muslims out there...

Accountable wrote: These defintions I learned here in the Garden:



Troll - somebody who's only purpose in life is to get everyone upset & pissed off. I prefer the term 'swizzle stick' because they're always stirring crap up.



Bump - to go find an old thread and post something new into it. The thread is thus 'bumped' back onto the recent threads list. Get it?



People get upset when things go off-topic because they either have more to say on the original topic or are very interested in the subject.


OK. Thanks for that ACC...



Well most Trolls here have gone the way they came.....via the sewage system.



Bumping....sometimes we find something interesting we missed before and post to it...can't see too much of a problem there personally....just SHOUT at me if I do it.



Getting off topic ...mmmm....I guess it's the difference between a conversation/chat which tends to have many facets and a discussion which centres on one topic.



This thread has definitely 'lost it's way' for the 'purists'. oooops !!!:)

SnoozeControl wrote: I hope you'll give me a nudge when I'm being a jerk.


Ok snooze l will tell you when to assume the position:sneaky:

Attached files

Bez wrote: OK. Thanks for that ACC...



Well most Trolls here have gone the way they came.....via the sewage system.



Bumping....sometimes we find something interesting we missed before and post to it...can't see too much of a problem there personally....just SHOUT at me if I do it.



Getting off topic ...mmmm....I guess it's the difference between a conversation/chat which tends to have many facets and a discussion which centres on one topic.



This thread has definitely 'lost it's way' for the 'purists'. oooops !!!:)


I like bumping.

venus wrote: Then to use your own words in a slightly different way (if you don't mind), l hope people can see why l get so angry and upset even when people are saying things like all muslims are evil or nutty or should be wiped off the face of the earth, they condone the killing of children etc

I have family and friends who are Muslim and l take great offence when people group them as they have been doing with the fanatics..

Of course l am going to defend them and the millions of other peaceful 'true' Muslims out there...


I hear you too I volunteer to aid a muslim family they are wonderful. And I never disputed his comments or his argument with Raven I simply started in on him about calling her stupid. I shant argue her arguments for her.

Minks, I actually edited that before I knew you had responded.

The fact that you chose to highlight that rather than say the post was rubbish from the start kind of gave me an idea which camp you sat in.

I take it she is a close friend of yours etc etc. in fact having read a lot on here, I'd say she is and you came in on the defensive.

For what her post stands for and for what she put down, I stand by the unedited comment completely.

I think it was reactionary and offensive rubbish and a stupid thing to do.

If you want to ignore that and reprimand me for calling her stupid, then that is all fair an well.

My reason for changing it had nothing to do with my trying to make a 'weak attempt at smoothing things over' change.

I could care less for smoothing things over.

As for looking for a fight?

My friend, I'm not the one that posted a complete misrepresentation of an entire faith and its followers.

Now if my calling that stupid offends you, I can live with it.

If you not seeing a single thing wrong with the original post, then I guess, you can live with it too.

One thing I wont do, is care for the amount of posts a person has.

I've read so many posts racked up that are full of nothingness.

I could do that as well.

Would it give me any more credibility?

I doubt it.



Peace

Fletch

Accountable wrote: I like bumping.


In that case I'll go searching.



what's all this 'guest' stuff by the way. Your a 'resident' !;)

Fletch wrote: I've read so many posts racked up that are full of nothingness.

I could do that as well.

Would it give me any more credibility?



I doubt it.





Peace

Fletch


Hi Fletch....



I picked up your comment about posts full of nothingness. I guess they mean something to the 'poster' if only as a means of communicating. Not every post is part of a 'meaningful' conversation, but is part of friendly chat and banter.



Bez

Bez wrote: In that case I'll go searching.



what's all this 'guest' stuff by the way. Your a 'resident' !;)
squatter :wah:

Bez wrote: Hi Fletch....



I picked up your comment about posts full of nothingness. I guess they mean something to the 'poster' if only as a means of communicating. Not every post is part of a 'meaningful' conversation, but is part of friendly chat and banter.



Bez


Hi Bez.

Let me clarify what I meant.

Nothingness posts in the sense that a 'lol' here and a 'I agree' there simply add the tally up.

I'm not saying it's good or bad, but simply a case of posts start adding up and that number draws security.

I could have flooded the boards with similar posts to boost my ratio up, but chose not to.

I didn't actually mean anything sinister by the 'nothingness' point.

.....there's always one :sneaky:

Well if being related means you send me loads of gifts, then I'm your long lost cousin, Fletch F.Fletch.

Now about those gifts, you want a list or would a bank account be ok?

.....it's a tough one.

I'm not sure if I have what it takes.

I may end up having to confess six months down the line that I beat the real Fletch up & stole his identity.

I'm thinking along the lines of Six Degrees of Seperation.

Do I get to retain my cynical and sarcastic tourettic attitude?