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another thread got into prostitution and it's affect on society. here is what i posted. this could be an interesting discussion. ----

i arrest prostitutes, and johns, because it's illegal. the whore usually has crack rocks on her when i search her. she is hooking for crack in 98% of cases. so someone is supporting the crack dealer. if you mean let's legalize it,and keep it clean of drugs and AIDS, OK, but the way it stands now it's all interwoven and connected with dope. (oh, and PS, 98% of the hookers have AIDS too, and are passing it around to the dumbass johns.)

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If it's among consenting adults, it should be legal. Apply that to whatever behavior you like. Religion, sex, recreation, business, whatever.

drug-dealing is between consenting adults also.

Yes indeedy!

Accountable wrote: Yes indeedy!ACC i like and respect you. but are you advocating for the legal sale of crack? it is the single biggest motivator for crime and murder i have seen in the last 5 years. it's also dirt cheap and targets poor minorities.

An anything goes society ? Not good. Majority has to rule though. I retract my previous thoughts, in a country as repressed as the USA it would never fly. I personally dont have a problem with adults being entitled to privacy, and I sure as hell dont have a problem with the govt backing way way off, but for the greater good I think its probably best to have moral guidelines. Give an inch take a mile, we dont want the wild wild west here in Mpls.

I'd have to disagree with Accountable here, things that are destructive to people probably shouldn't be condoned by society.

After all, we don't allow suicide.

So since I believe that prostitution is psychologically damaging for the women that practice it, I'd have to say, even if legalized, it's a bad idea.

lady cop wrote: ACC i like and respect you. but are you advocating for the legal sale of crack? it is the single biggest motivator for crime and murder i have seen in the last 5 years. it's also dirt cheap and targets poor minorities. Because it's illegal. Banning a thing frees the producer to do all sorts of unethical things. The customers are already breaking the law to use it, so why not break laws to pay for it as well?



Yes, I'm against wholesale prohibition.

Nomad wrote: An anything goes society ? Not good. Majority has to rule though. I retract my previous thoughts, in a country as repressed as the USA it would never fly. I personally dont have a problem with adults being entitled to privacy, and I sure as hell dont have a problem with the govt backing way way off, but for the greater good I think its probably best to have moral guidelines. Give an inch take a mile, we dont want the wild wild west here in Mpls.It's not the gov't's business to dictate morality. That's why it's not working. Morality is the responsibility of the church. The church has abdicated its responsibility to arguably the least moral of us. I vote we put things back the way it ought to be & stop giving the gov't power it doesn't deserve.

Jives wrote: I'd have to disagree with Accountable here, things that are destructive to people probably shouldn't be condoned by society.



After all, we don't allow suicide.



So since I believe that prostitution is psychologically damaging for the women that practice it, I'd have to say, even if legalized, it's a bad idea.Consenting adults.



I'm not going to place myself as wiser than another adult in deciding how he/she lives his/her life, even if I think I am wiser.

Accountable wrote: It's not the gov't's business to dictate morality. That's why it's not working. Morality is the responsibility of the church. The church has abdicated its responsibility to arguably the least moral of us. I vote we put things back the way it ought to be & stop giving the gov't power it doesn't deserve.






The govt could or should or maybe Im just dreaming be dictated by the people for the people (you know that whole constitution thingy)

which in turn is governed out by the peoples vote on representatives. That would include issues of morality such as prostitution or abortion etc. Where do you draw a clear line between ethical issues and laws mandated primarily by legalese laws, (budget, Supreme Court judge appointments etc) ?

getting back to the topic at hand...whores. crack whores. AIDS-ridden crack whores. all this rhetoric is lovely, but i deal with these people, real street people. they aren't worried about the constitution. it is a CRIME to sell crack, it is a CRIME to knowingly spread AIDS. jesus, am i crazy to want to rid us of this??

Nomad wrote: The govt could or should or maybe Im just dreaming be dictated by the people for the people (you know that whole constitution thingy)

which in turn is governed out by the peoples vote on representatives. That would include issues of morality such as prostitution or abortion etc. Where do you draw a clear line between ethical issues and laws mandated primarily by legalese laws, (budget, Supreme Court judge appointments etc) ?
Well, ethics shouldn't be confused with morality, but I see where you're going.



Broadly, adults in good standing (it's the best phrase I could come up with to weed out criminals & crazies) should be able to do anything that does not do harm to others. Your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose, so to speak.



Some posters here will want to say that a married person paying for a prostitute harms the spouse and family, but bungee jumping will do the same thing.



Murder should be illegal not because it is morally wrong, but because it causes harm & restricts the rights of another citizen. Get my meaning?

lady cop wrote: getting back to the topic at hand...whores. crack whores. AIDS-ridden crack whores. all this rhetoric is lovely, but i deal with these people, real street people. they aren't worried about the constitution. it is a CRIME to sell crack, it is a CRIME to knowingly spread AIDS. jesus, am i crazy to want to rid us of this??
Prostitution is illegal in the Phillipines. They did it anyway. The military solution was to offer free screenings for the prostitutes, who would then get a card showing she (sometimes he) was 'clean.' This is the kind of controls that can be offered when prostitution is legalized. Who in his right mind would pay for a crack whore when he could get a clean one?

lady cop wrote: jesus, am i crazy to want to rid us of this??


Absolutely not. I agreed with you. Say, is it still easy to get crack? I thought we basically eliminated that and meth was the only big problem these days.

lady cop wrote: getting back to the topic at hand...whores. crack whores. AIDS-ridden crack whores. all this rhetoric is lovely, but i deal with these people, real street people. they aren't worried about the constitution. it is a CRIME to sell crack, it is a CRIME to knowingly spread AIDS. jesus, am i crazy to want to rid us of this??




How ?

What annoys me is behind every crack whore and junkie are the innocent children that are caught up in their parents addiction .

pantsonfire321@aol.com wrote: What annoys me is behind every crack whore and junkie are the innocent children that are caught up in their parents addiction .


No excuses but that parent got caught up somewhere along the line too. Thats my point really that this is more of a societal issue than it is a legal issue. Keep your children close people.

The root of the problem is why are these people turning to drugs like crack and meth. Broken homes, sexual, physical and mental abuse are apart of all of these folks backgrounds. Until those problems are addressed the cycle of abuse is going to keep going.

That's just my opinion.

Sheryl wrote: The root of the problem is why are these people turning to drugs like crack and meth. Broken homes, sexual, physical and mental abuse are apart of all of these folks backgrounds. Until those problems are addressed the cycle of abuse is going to keep going.



That's just my opinion.


It always comes down to this. So whats the answer then ? More social service programs ? Intense education ? Some will fall through the cracks, its inevitable, there has to be personal accountability. For the most part I think were ok, otherwise we wouldnt have all these traffic jams on commutes to work everyday.

Prostitution has been around for thousands of years. I have heard it referred to as one of the first jobs. I don't think it will ever go away whether it's made legal or remains illegal.

For the safety of the public, I have to agree with Snooze and say make it legal, have the girls checked for clean bill of health, and tax it. Not all the prostitutes are out their to just get money for their habits. There are those that do it just for the money.

Nomad wrote: It always comes down to this. So whats the answer then ? More social service programs ? Intense education ? Some will fall through the cracks, its inevitable, there has to be personal accountability. For the most part I think were ok, otherwise we wouldnt have all these traffic jams on commutes to work everyday.


I don't know the answer to be honest. I came from a broken home was sexually and physically abused, but I've never turned to drugs to dull the hurt. Some people are just stuck in a rut and not strong enough to pull themselves out.

Far Rider wrote: Ok Sheryl, same question to you then. Do you want a whorehouse on your block?


No I don't want it in my neighborhood. However if it was to be legalized, I see it being zoned like that of strip joints and those sort of places.

I agree with Acc and Snooze.

Clancy wrote: I don't think by disagreeing with the whole ethic of prostitution, will make it go away...but having it controlled, and governed in a lawful manner will automatically remove the criminal practices that are associated with it.


Unfortunately that would also mean condoning this behavior as a society. I like what we are doing now...keeping it illegal and arresting those who do it.

If we do nothing, we are leaving it in the hands of the criminal, along with the other crimes that go hand in hand with it ...namely class A, & B, drugs...and the lesser, but still illegal downgraded other drugs.


Considering the mentality of someone who would willingly sell their body to other people, drugs and crime will go along with prostitution no matter how hard we try to control it. So again, let's keep it a crime.

In the UK prostitution has the nick name of, "the oldest profession" we know it goes back further than biblical times, and it's beyond doubt that there will always be such a profession, and in my opinion, by firstly taking it out of the hands of criminals is a way forward to combating the associated crimes and disease that engulfs it.


Legalizing it is not a way forward...it is a way backward. To the days of BARBARISM!

lady cop wrote: (oh, and PS, 98% of the hookers have AIDS too, and are passing it around to the dumbass johns.)


So much for prostitution being a "victimless" crime, eh? :yh_eyerol

I don't see the problem is selling legal sex myself, (2 consenting, of age people) if it was made legal, and prostitutes were clean whats the harm?

But they do it for money: I can think of worse things people do for money

They do it to buy drugs: drug addicts would do anything to buy drugs, if not sell them selves maybe rob / kill someone?

It encourages people to be unfaithful: it someone is gonna be unfaithful they will...

It helps transmit disease: one more reason to make it legal? perhaps a license should be required which would necessitate medical checks?

I wouldn't want it on my block!: if an establishment was conducted professionally it could be no worse than having a pub on your block,

sex sells, we might as well tax the hell outta it and get some benefit as opposed to spending x amount of pounds / dollars trying to stop it.

Far Rider wrote: define adult....???I'm talking legal - not moral, not common sense. We all know common sense has no place in jurisprudence. :p

Far Rider wrote: Living a quiet and peaceable life means the governemnt must decide what is right and wrong, punish the wrongdoers and reward the good doers. (morality)



The government also has the responsibility or protecting its citizens, even from other citizens.
The legal definition of right & wrong do not always parallel the moral definition. If it were, our politicians would be a different breed altogether.

Far Rider wrote: true true.. but why make it available and easy? thats the defeatest attitude. Do you want a whore house on your block?
There is one argument that says legalization takes away some of the attraction, since it's not 'wrong' anymore.

Nomad wrote: It always comes down to this. So whats the answer then ? More social service programs ? Intense education ? Some will fall through the cracks, its inevitable, there has to be personal accountability. For the most part I think were ok, otherwise we wouldnt have all these traffic jams on commutes to work everyday.


:yh_clap :yh_worshp :yh_clap

SnoozeControl wrote: Its probably illegal to masturbate in Utah, but is that gonna stop me?:)


:yh_rotfl omg you have me cracking up

Sheryl wrote: I don't know the answer to be honest. I came from a broken home was sexually and physically abused, but I've never turned to drugs to dull the hurt. Some people are just stuck in a rut and not strong enough to pull themselves out.




Very good answer. Sometimes we just learn as we go. Im usually suspect of those that have an answer for everything.

SnoozeControl wrote: Its probably illegal to masturbate in Utah, but is that gonna stop me?:)you'll go blind. :yh_glasse :yh_sungla