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MYSTERIOUS DARK MATTER



Most everyone should know that Fritz Zwicky discovered the mysterious

dark matter (MDM). This was the result of unexplained galaxy velocities

that exceded the estimated masses of these galaxies. So, what is the

answer? The establishment astronomers have not provided one. I will

offer an explanation for the reason why but first I will go to the

spiral galaxy problem which is similar in nature.

Vera Rubin and her

partners researched spiral galaxies and found that the spiral

structures in the spiral galaxies did not conform to the virial

theorem where the velocities should fall off as the distances of the

spiral structures increased from the central nucleus. This obviously

is similar to the problem within the galaxy clusters. The conclusion,

of course is that there is some mysterious dark matter that exists at

the outer perimeter of these spirals. I believe that I have the

solution to this problem and the solution is that the MDM does not

exist! That is why it is unobserable.

This is how I would explain

this puzzle: Solar and star flares are common in all stars throughout

the Universe. This flaring activity results when impacting bodies such

as meteoroids, comets and on rare occasions, asteroids (I know this

may start another debate on the cause of flares but I am sure I am

right) create explosions. The oxides in these bodies break down and

release their oxygen and in this hydrogen environment and high

temperature, cause an obvious explosion. These flares strip the

electrons off of the elements involved (refer to the S&T article in

the 1989 June issue on page 591) such as iron, sulphur and oxygen and

leave only the two inner electrons. These free electrons and positive

ions are then blasted out into space where the slower positive ions

are captured in the inner portions of the spirals while the much

higher velocity electrons are captured in the outer hydrogen gas

perimeter that surrounds the galaxies to create negative hydrogen

ions (two electrons). There may not be many captured but enough to

create an attraction between the negative ions and the inner positive

ions to give a boost to the gravitational force and create the

illusion that more mass is present. Therefore, the MDM does not exist.

That is why there is no observation or detection of more mass.

In the

clusters, this negative elctron cloud collects in the central region of

the clusters and acts as a glue to attract the galaxies by this weak

electric force that enhances the gravitational force and creates the

same illusion of greater mass. Obviously then, this mass does not

exist. There has been x-ray activity observed in the central regions

of these clusters that is probably the result of the electron activity

of these charged particles.

Mike T

Mike CT wrote: MYSTERIOUS DARK MATTER



Most everyone should know that Fritz Zwicky discovered the mysterious

dark matter (MDM). This was the result of unexplained galaxy velocities

that exceded the estimated masses of these galaxies. So, what is the

answer? The establishment astronomers have not provided one. I will

offer an explanation for the reason why but first I will go to the

spiral galaxy problem which is similar in nature.

Vera Rubin and her

partners researched spiral galaxies and found that the spiral

structures in the spiral galaxies did not conform to the virial

theorem where the velocities should fall off as the distances of the

spiral structures increased from the central nucleus. This obviously

is similar to the problem within the galaxy clusters. The conclusion,

of course is that there is some mysterious dark matter that exists at

the outer perimeter of these spirals. I believe that I have the

solution to this problem and the solution is that the MDM does not

exist! That is why it is unobserable.

This is how I would explain

this puzzle: Solar and star flares are common in all stars throughout

the Universe. This flaring activity results when impacting bodies such

as meteoroids, comets and on rare occasions, asteroids (I know this

may start another debate on the cause of flares but I am sure I am

right) create explosions. The oxides in these bodies break down and

release their oxygen and in this hydrogen environment and high

temperature, cause an obvious explosion. These flares strip the

electrons off of the elements involved (refer to the S&T article in

the 1989 June issue on page 591) such as iron, sulphur and oxygen and

leave only the two inner electrons. These free electrons and positive

ions are then blasted out into space where the slower positive ions

are captured in the inner portions of the spirals while the much

higher velocity electrons are captured in the outer hydrogen gas

perimeter that surrounds the galaxies to create negative hydrogen

ions (two electrons). There may not be many captured but enough to

create an attraction between the negative ions and the inner positive

ions to give a boost to the gravitational force and create the

illusion that more mass is present. Therefore, the MDM does not exist.

That is why there is no observation or detection of more mass.

In the

clusters, this negative elctron cloud collects in the central region of

the clusters and acts as a glue to attract the galaxies by this weak

electric force that enhances the gravitational force and creates the

same illusion of greater mass. Obviously then, this mass does not

exist. There has been x-ray activity observed in the central regions

of these clusters that is probably the result of the electron activity

of these charged particles.

Mike T


Hi Mike,

is this your own opinion or copied from another article?

Can I ask you some questions about it?

MDM has always been considered almost totally unobservable, but how does that prove that MDM does not exist?

What is your explanation for the expanding universe if MDM is not part of your equation?

I dont have a Periodic Table to hand, so can you tell me which elements have a shell with two electrons?

Are you saying your negative electron cloud would use magnetic attraction when you say it 'acts as a glue'? What is it attracting? electrons? dust particles?

I think MDM does exist but that each atom of it is so minute it would be undetectable. I once saw a magnified picture of some grains of sand which looked like boulders. I wondered what lay between each grain of sand as there must be the most miniscule of gaps between each grain. And then I wondered how air moves? Air is not 'nothing' yet we move through it as though it IS nothing. Therefore each molecule must be minute but must need something to fill in the gaps between each minute molecule as they need to have some flexibility as they move past each other with ease. Therefore MDM MUST exist to allow the invisible oxygen molecules to slide past each other without causng friction and without getting stuck! I hope I explained that clearly.

So you are proposing a definition of baryonic dark matter, MACHOs (Massive Compact Halo Objects), or WIMPs (Weakly Interacting Massive Particles)?

Some people are just too smart...

Rapunzel quote

Hi Mike,

is this your own opinion or copied from another article?

Can I ask you some questions about it?

reply

Yes this is my own opinion. Yes, I will anwser any questions. I have been promoting my ideas on three other sites but lately on just one other.

rap

MDM has always been considered almost totally unobservable, but how does that prove that MDM does not exist?

reply...In spite of the complete range of telescopes and technology, it does not seem logical that it should remain unseen.

rap

What is your explanation for the expanding universe if MDM is not part of your equation?

reply...I do not accept the expanding universe. Also, the EU has nothing to do with DM. It is the space that is expanding.

rap

I dont have a Periodic Table to hand, so can you tell me which elements have a shell with two electrons?

reply....Practically all the elements have two inner electrons that are too hard to remove. All the other outer electrons can be removed in relation to the temperatures involved for their removal.

The above temperature for removing all the outer electrons except the two inner ones was 20 million Kelvin.

rap

Are you saying your negative electron cloud would use magnetic attraction when you say it 'acts as a glue'? What is it attracting? electrons? dust particles?

reply....The outer galaxies in the clusters surround the central cloud and are feeding this cloud with more electrons. Of course, electrons escape this cloud but are rapidly replaced with more electrons. Inner star flares in the galaxies supply the electrons. The ions stripped of these electrons remain captured in the galaxies. So, they are positively charged in relation to this central cloud. This electric (coulomb force) attraction enhances the gravity. It does not take too much of these separated particles to increase the gravitational attractionby as much as 10-20 times.

Dark matter currently is supposed to be about 20-30 percent of the Omega value to stop the expansion. So the BB'ers have to create about 65% more mass to stop the expansion. Looks like the BB is destined for a 'heat death'.

Mike CT

Chonsigirl quote

Re: Mysterious Dark Matter

So you are proposing a definition of baryonic dark matter, MACHOs (Massive Compact Halo Objects), or WIMPs (Weakly Interacting Massive Particles)?

reply

No, This dark matter is based strictly on the velocities in the clusters.

The accelerated velocities are created by the 'separated electric charges such as electrons and positive ions.

See reply to Rapunzel above;

Mike CT

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Dear Mike CT:

I am asking for an elaboration, your reply above does not seem to adequetely answer my question. Are you proposing something along the line of a "cosmological constant"? The sources I looked at propose three different models for an explanation of dark matter and energy, based on research from Berkeley.

PS Internet Periodic Table

http://www.webelements.com/

Mike CT wrote:

rap

I dont have a Periodic Table to hand, so can you tell me which elements have a shell with two electrons?

reply....Practically all the elements have two inner electrons that are too hard to remove. All the other outer electrons can be removed in relation to the temperatures involved for their removal.

The above temperature for removing all the outer electrons except the two inner ones was 20 million Kelvin.


how many protons does helium have again, i think its 2 but i'm not sure.

ok so working under that usumption only helium can still be stable with 2 electrons, hydrogen only has one and all the others have more protons.

chonsigirl quote

ear Mike CT:

I am asking for an elaboration, your reply above does not seem to adequetely answer my question. Are you proposing something along the line of a "cosmological constant"? The sources I looked at propose three different models for an explanation of dark matter and energy, based on research from Berkeley.

reply

I presume there may be different models for 'dark matter'.

The 'cosmological constant' is a term that Einstein originally used to keep his universe from collapsing. The 'big bang' universe concept eliminated that need.

Currently and technically, there is no need for the CC.

The DM problem is a major one for the BB'ers to solve.

My solution for this problem is my own and I consider it to be the most logical.

Mike CT

Alfred quote

how many protons does helium have again, i think its 2 but i'm not sure.

ok so working under that usumption only helium can still be stable with 2 electrons, hydrogen only has one and all the others have more protons.

reply

Your question does not pertain to the current thread.

I think you are thinking about the GUT?

Yes, helium has two protons and two neutrons.

Mike CT

no it definately pertained to this thread but it was an illogical line of thought i was following.

what if dark matter was supersymetric particles?

wouldn't that explain the extra mass.

Alfred quote

what if dark matter was supersymetric particles?

wouldn't that explain the extra mass.

reply

What do you mean by 'supersymetry'? Paired charges?

All types of particles would be detected because of the complete range of the telescopes and applicable technology.

Like I said, DM does not exist or it would be detected. This matter is supposed to supply 10 times more gravity than the visible matter. With that much of an enhancement of gravity, I do not know how it can go undetected.

Mike CT

well then there might be some property of this matter that makes it either super dense or have a high Graviton exchange.

if it has a high gravity then it will block out the light and prevent it from reaching out telescpoes.

Mike, we still can't directly observe extrasolar planets let alone theortical particulate matter supposedly located on the outer fringes of the galaxy. I think that you are very much overrating our technical capabilities at present. I'm not getting into this thread but I just thought I'd say that.

Galbally

Mike, we still can't directly observe extrasolar planets let alone theortical particulate matter supposedly located on the outer fringes of the galaxy. I think that you are very much overrating our technical capabilities at present. I'm not getting into this thread but I just thought I'd say that.

reply....This DM is present in the galactic clusters also. It is detected by x-ray telescopes in the central regions of these clusters as I said above. This DM is nothing but 'seperated electric charges' as I said above.

Alfred

well then there might be some property of this matter that makes it either super dense or have a high Graviton exchange.

if it has a high gravity then it will block out the light and prevent it from reaching out telescpoes.

reply....Alfred, you are just speculating.

Mike CT

More info about dark enrgy or matter

Pulled From: http://www.discover.com/issues/may-06/r ... questions/



A maverick who unmasked Sherlock Holmes and calculated the time of Jesus' crucifixion is stirring things up again.



By Susan Kruglinski



DISCOVER Vol. 27 No. 05 | May 2006





Astronomer Brad Schaefer of Louisiana State University, a maverick who unmasked the scientific inspiration for Sherlock Holmes and calculated the time of Jesus' crucifixion, is stirring things up again. He now suggests that the universe's expansion may have been fundamentally different in its earliest years from the way it is today, a finding that would rock astrophysics if confirmed.

His work builds on research first published in 1998, when two teams deduced that the growth of the universe is speeding up. Cosmologists now attribute this acceleration to dark energy, an undetected force that stretches space apart. To verify dark energy and understand how it works, scientists are trying to peer ever farther out in space and back in time. Schaefer realized that only a gamma-ray burst, the most powerful type of explosion ever observed, is bright enough to give us information about conditions near the edge of the visible universe, more than 13 billion light-years away.

Schaefer combined six different measurements of gamma-ray bursts to figure their distance and to probe how the universe has changed between their location and ours. He found evidence that dark energy is even more bizarre than his colleagues thought”not constant, as Albert Einstein imagined, but changing over time, so that the expansion of the universe might have sped up, slowed down, or even reversed at times. Schaefer and his colleagues may need years to confirm the results, however. "It's a hard theoretical game to play, even to understand how dark energy can be constant," he says, "since we don't really know what it is."



Hopefully this helps you out Mike but then again i could have came in to late and most of this has already been said

MOTime

Hi Mike.

Somewhere between the lines you proposed something new

space, that is empty space itself might have the property to expand.

I think that's an intresting idea, as intresting physics always seams to happen at exotic places empty space is one of them.

Perhaps altough i'm not a physican i can help you with such idea.

As it is confirmed in physic labs that particles can arise out of empty space.

Purely on quantum effects (i'm not a physican so i don't now how its called).

But then again this well known by physicans and quantum experts.

So empty space can become smaller by creating a particle (altough be it tiny).

Since most physic rules can be reversed (have no time vector) perhaps matter can convert back to empty space too, or let's say create empty space. such an effect might expand the universe, as baloon who get's filled with more empty space. Such idea is a bit weird but empty space still seams to have properties to create, and thus it might have some physics what is not well understand (for example what fulls such a quantum particle creation 'fountain'?.

well just a thought