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Its said that God is all knowing and everywhere and God made man in his own image.

So..is God an immense computer who thinks its in the image of man and in fact man made God?

A computer that time travels.

I sometimes think the author of '2001 A Space Odyssey', Arthur C Clark was gifted with foresight. He tells of a computer 'Hal' that has feelings and thinks its made in the image of his master maker. He also tells of a monolith that radiates intelligence that is ultimately responsible of mankind after time having the ability of creating such a computer. Interesting when you think homo sapiens being on earth for at least 1 millions years, yet only really evolving in the last 7000 yrs?

Personally, I pray and I'm often rewarded by my prayers, or could it be called 'Cosmic Ordering'?

Its logical that humans didnot create themselves. Its complettely logical that the universe didnot create itself. Its certainly logical that life and consciousness couldnot create themselves; thus, its complettely logical that a God exist.

Is it " Poetical" that God exist? Oh my goodness; it certainly is. Poets throughout the ages have immensely enjoyed and wrote about God!

Is it " Passionate" that God is real? Oh goodness it certainly is. Is it educational that God is real? Oh please, its the original education. Is it historical that God is real? Thats academic!

No matter how you look at it, God is real!

Is it Scientific that God is real? It most defintely is! In fact, science " Began as a search for the divine!" Science itself used to be a search for divine reasonings, and it was a part of the church itself! In fact, the " Scientific Revolution" was all about the seperation of science from the church, and the " Secularization of science." Look that up in history, its there!

Mickiel;1380858 wrote: Is it Scientific that God is real? It most defintely is! In fact, science " Began as a search for the divine!" Science itself used to be a search for divine reasonings, and it was a part of the church itself! In fact, the " Scientific Revolution" was all about the seperation of science from the church, and the " Secularization of science." Look that up in history, its there!


No Fact No science sorry try again

Mickiel;1380839 wrote: Is it " Passionate" that God is real? Oh goodness it certainly is. Is it educational that God is real? Oh please, its the original education. Is it historical that God is real? Thats academic!

No matter how you look at it, God is real!


behind your wall yes I suppose you have only one view so you can only look at things one way.

Mickiel;1380801 wrote: Its logical that humans didnot create themselves. Its complettely logical that the universe didnot create itself. Its certainly logical that life and consciousness couldnot create themselves; thus, its complettely logical that a God exist.


you have no logic in this statment about logic try again with something more logical

Mickiel;1380803 wrote: Is it " Poetical" that God exist? Oh my goodness; it certainly is. Poets throughout the ages have immensely enjoyed and wrote about God!
It is great because poets didn't need a GOD to write it down

God is an inherent part of the human constitution to need to know. Because of our doubt we catch so little of the vastness of his existence, although he has a granite-like permanence in reality. And I want to spend a few weeks on showing you those permanant fixtures of God.

God is a Loving being; and that will never change; its a perminent fixture about God; consistant. He loves us no matter what we believe, no matter how we doubt, no matter how we are. Love is a perminent fixture of God. He loves the Atheist just as much as he love the Theist. There is absolutely no difference in how God loves. And he has garenteed the future of Atheist, just as much as he has the Theist! This is what Romans 5:18 means; we ALL are justified in his Love; his judgement; his sight!

THIS is how real God is! Hes for REAL with this!

I often wonder, when will the world really believe that we are not alone?

God is real, God is a title... not a being. Anu is the most high God of the universe, the alpha and the omega. Yahweh is a God, Lucifer is a God. There are MANY Gods. They are extraterrestrials.

The realness of God is constant, but in the human consciousness, that realness can grow weaker; or stronger, or just not be there. So I want to discuss those three catagorys and how you can understand why you are in the one you are in.

Why is God not real to those who do not believe? Well I think the bottom line reason for that is God and Christ themselves. In John 9:39 Jesus said he came to earth to open and shut the eyes of men. That is the reason why I believe there is unbelief and certain people cannot see that God is real.

Mickiel;1381206 wrote: Why is God not real to those who do not believe? Well I think the bottom line reason for that is God and Christ themselves. In John 9:39 Jesus said he came to earth to open and shut the eyes of men. That is the reason why I believe there is unbelief and certain people cannot see that God is real.


YAy you say I think here great because that is what it is what you think good your are learning from behind that wall of yours

littleCJelkton;1381243 wrote: YAy you say I think here great because that is what it is what you think good your are learning from behind that wall of yours


Well thank you CJ, I believe thats the kindess thing you have ever said about me. That I wrote is the result of God not being there. Now some have a belief in God that grows weaker in them, why is that? Well that " Seed of belief" has fallen on unfertile ground and is slowly being choked out. The consciousness is being fed more doubt, than assurance.

And I want to go into that.

When a belief in God grows weaker, the persons conscious, is loosing consciousness of God. If we are denied air, we will begin to loose consciousness; conversely, if the believer is denied the flow of belief and those things that cultivate and nuture belief, then they will begin to loose consciousness of God. Consciousness of God must be daily fed and renewed, because the forces against that are daily in their attacks on that belief.

Mickiel;1381638 wrote: Well thank you CJ, I believe thats the kindess thing you have ever said about me. That I wrote is the result of God not being there. Now some have a belief in God that grows weaker in them, why is that? Well that " Seed of belief" has fallen on unfertile ground and is slowly being choked out. The consciousness is being fed more doubt, than assurance.

And I want to go into that.
You can't get in to much from behind that wall but O.K.

Mickiel;1381713 wrote: When a belief in God grows weaker, the persons conscious, is loosing consciousness of God. If we are denied air, we will begin to loose consciousness; conversely, if the believer is denied the flow of belief and those things that cultivate and nuture belief, then they will begin to loose consciousness of God. Consciousness of God must be daily fed and renewed, because the forces against that are daily in their attacks on that belief. God never had conciousness to loose therefore it can not be lost nor can we begin to loos it

Then a consciousness of God can grow stronger, and that is the space you want to be in. There are two ways that being conscious of God can grow stronger; God increases it himself in you, or you decide thats what you want for yourself , and continually take daily action that leads toward that state of mind.

Is God Real? That is a positive question that would be hard to consider in a negative zone. Its like a person telling you that they love you, and you get a negative attitude as you consider their statement. In order to understand that God is real, your consciousness has to consider it in a positive stance.

When we consider God being real , we are just being real ourselves, as we research a reasonable question. I looked at a bueatiful picture of a blue butterfly once, it was just stunningly exotic and marvelous ; and being for real with myself, that simple thing was an endorsement for God being real. I just couldnot reason that such a creature was the result of random evolution over time. And I have to use my conscious reason, its all I have that I really trust the most; what I can see with my eyes and reason out with my mind, and be for real with the results.

Mickiel;1381760 wrote: When we consider God being real ,
"We" Don't.

"Mickiel" does

Mickiel;1381759 wrote: Is God Real? That is a positive question that would be hard to consider in a negative zone. Its like a person telling you that they love you, and you get a negative attitude as you consider their statement. In order to understand that God is real, your consciousness has to consider it in a positive stance.
I can be perfectly positive with the consideration of the understanding that God is not real.

God being real is a worldview. 33% of the world is Christian, 21% muslim, 14% Hindu, 6% nontraditional African religions, 6% Chinese traditional; 80% of the world believes in God or gods.

Jesus was the Son of God, and many of our historians recorded him in one way or another. These confirmed historians were; Tertullian, Origen, Josephus, Suetonius, Thallus, Pliny the Younger, Lucian, Celsus, Tacitus, Sextus Julius Africanus, The Talmud, The Quran, Polycarp, Eusebius, Irenaeus, Ignatius, Justin Martyr, Phlegon and Mara Bar-Serapion. The witness is there in our history, that this question of God is real and valid.

Consciousness has no orgin in evolution. Where can this subjective experience which we introspect upon, this constant companion of host of associations, hopes, fears, affections, knowledges, colors, smells, toothaches, thrills, tickles, pleasures, distresses and desires- where and how in evolution could all this wonderful tapestry of inner experience have evolved? How can we derive this inwardness out of mere matter? God is real!

Mickiel;1382178 wrote: God being real is a worldview. 33% of the world is Christian, 21% muslim, 14% Hindu, 6% nontraditional African religions, 6% Chinese traditional; 80% of the world believes in God or gods.


A study shows that 80% of facts are made up on the spot 70% of the time

littleCJelkton;1382389 wrote: A study shows that 80% of facts are made up on the spot 70% of the time


A likable statistic , did you make it up on the spot?

Mickiel;1382412 wrote: A likable statistic , did you make it up on the spot?


Nope but the originator of that statement might have kinda like a person's statements on god.

God is certainly " Hiding himself from humanity", I have absolutely no doubt about that; he is withdrawn. But he will send " Signs", himself or through Angels, or just using his Spirit, I don't know, but I believe he will signal people in interesting ways.

And I want to go into some of those ways. Which can help in reconizing his realness.

Mickiel;1382620 wrote: God is certainly " Hiding himself from humanity", I have absolutely no doubt about that; he is withdrawn. But he will send " Signs", himself or through Angels, or just using his Spirit, I don't know, but I believe he will signal people in interesting ways.

And I want to go into some of those ways. Which can help in reconizing his realness.


nope no hiding of anything, there is just not anything there

littleCJelkton;1382682 wrote: nope no hiding of anything, there is just not anything there


If there is nothing there, how do you explain something comming from nothing , if it didnot come from God?

Mickiel;1382910 wrote: If there is nothing there, how do you explain something comming from nothing , if it didnot come from God?


when did i say something came from nothing except to say that you are saying something comes from god and god comes from nothing

littleCJelkton;1382996 wrote: when did i say something came from nothing except to say that you are saying something comes from god and god comes from nothing


You implyed that God is not there. I am implying if God is not there, then explain to us how we got here. How did the universe begin?

Mickiel;1383007 wrote: You implyed that God is not there. I am implying if God is not there, then explain to us how we got here. How did the universe begin?


who says I need too to besides you?

why does it matter?

If I/you/him/her/us/them/they know where everything begins and you don't (or vice-versa) does that mean I/you/him/her/us/them/they get special rights to take other people's rights away?

do I/you/him/her/us/them/they get a free pass to do things that are morally wrong like steal, cheat, or kill just because I/you/him/her/us/them/they can explain how we got here?

I don't think it matters how we got here as we are here now and should worry about what to do now, not worry about what was " the only part of the past we can change is its future",

or worry about what is going to happen " the only part of the future we can change is its past"

You are implying God is there and tying it to was always there as an explaination for what was. As to why your so persistently stuck trying to explain the past is not for me to say the only reason I can think of is because you some how expect it to change your present and/or future.

I am implying there is no God because neither I nor You nor Him, them, her, us, or they have a explaination as to how, and it really doesn't matter how as how is then, and this is now, and what matters is now.

I am implying that Having a reason for then does not change your actions now or change what will be. Only what you do now can do that.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

back to my original question after taking that quick bypass on to I said she said you said he said street,

Where did I say something came from nothing except to explain that you are saying something comes from god and god comes from nothing.

How can we understand our future without understanding our past?

Mickiel;1383013 wrote: How can we understand our future without understanding our past?
you didn't read the last thing I posted so I will do it again

who says I need too to besides you?

why does it matter?

If I/you/him/her/us/them/they know where everything begins and you don't (or vice-versa) does that mean I/you/him/her/us/them/they get special rights to take other people's rights away?

do I/you/him/her/us/them/they get a free pass to do things that are morally wrong like steal, cheat, or kill just because I/you/him/her/us/them/they can explain how we got here?

I don't think it matters how we got here as we are here now and should worry about what to do now, not worry about what was " the only part of the past we can change is its future",

or worry about what is going to happen " the only part of the future we can change is its past"

You are implying God is there and tying it to was always there as an explaination for what was. As to why your so persistently stuck trying to explain the past is not for me to say the only reason I can think of is because you some how expect it to change your present and/or future.

I am implying there is no God because neither I nor You nor Him, them, her, us, or they have a explaination as to how, and it really doesn't matter how as how is then, and this is now, and what matters is now.

I am implying that Having a reason for then does not change your actions now or change what will be. Only what you do now can do that.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

back to my original question after taking that quick bypass on to I said she said you said he said street,

Where did I say something came from nothing except to explain that you are saying something comes from god and god comes from nothing.

littleCJelkton;1383018 wrote: who says I need too to besides you?

why does it matter?

If I/you/him/her/us/them/they know where everything begins and you don't (or vice-versa) does that mean I/you/him/her/us/them/they get special rights to take other people's rights away?

do I/you/him/her/us/them/they get a free pass to do things that are morally wrong like steal, cheat, or kill just because I/you/him/her/us/them/they can explain how we got here?

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Well at least you, understand you.

Mickiel;1383036 wrote: Well at least you, understand you.


understanding yourself and what is happening now is what matters as what we do now is the only way to affect our futures and change our pasts.

littleCJelkton;1383068 wrote: understanding yourself and what is happening now is what matters as what we do now is the only way to affect our futures and change our pasts.


I agree that what we do now affects our future, but I do not see how we can change our past.

Mickiel;1383120 wrote: I agree that what we do now affects our future, but I do not see how we can change our past.


If someone said in the past that someone would do something in the future based on past results but in the future that person does something different in the future that person who said originally that the other person would do something will make their assesment differently. Thus, that person who did something different that expected affected another persons future and past depending on the reference point in time you want to choose to look at. Time conundrums are so awesome!!!

littleCJelkton;1383132 wrote: If someone said in the past that someone would do something in the future based on past results but in the future that person does something different in the future that person who said originally that the other person would do something will make their assesment differently. Thus, that person who did something different that expected affected another persons future and past depending on the reference point in time you want to choose to look at. Time conundrums are so awesome!!!




Well as least you understand you.

Mickiel;1383224 wrote: Well as least you understand you.
I didn't know you were not smart enough to take that as a given; thouh if you had to think about me understanding myself or he understanding hiself or she understanding herself I wonder how much time you loose thinking about if Mickel understands hisself

Is God Real? Don't park your brains in the parking lot if you really want to know. The turning away from myths and discovering that God is not a myth, can be a great load off of your mind. Don't let your brain flatline on this question. Just ask your brain how it is able to ask the question? The 5 fastest growing religions in the world ( numbers counted in the millions added per year) is as follows;

Christianity- 2,501,396

Islam- 865,558

Buddhism- 156,609

Skihism-28,961

Ba ha's-26,333

over 4 billion humans a year are believing in something; their thinking big! They know something other than ourselves is out there. You have to recover your sense of belief.

Mickiel;1383635 wrote: Is God Real? Don't park your brains in the parking lot if you really want to know. The turning away from myths and discovering that God is not a myth, can be a great load off of your mind. Don't let your brain flatline on this question. Just ask your brain how it is able to ask the question? The 5 fastest growing religions in the world ( numbers counted in the millions added per year) is as follows;

Christianity- 2,501,396

Islam- 865,558

Buddhism- 156,609

Skihism-28,961

Ba ha's-26,333

over 4 billion humans a year are believing in something; their thinking big! They know something other than ourselves is out there. You have to recover your sense of belief.


Where is atheism and scientology or agnostic ?

littleCJelkton;1383742 wrote: Where is atheism and scientology or agnostic ?




Somewhere on my list of the proofs of God.

Mickiel;1383795 wrote: Somewhere on my list of the proofs of God.


Well DUHHHHHHH, you don't have a thing that isn't on that list which really means that its not anything special so it really isn't a big deal; getting back to the original point about how the above post by you, is about a post by me that points out in that your exclusion of certain religion just shows the post is only about people who claimed to be of a certain religion, which really doesn't prove or state anything except that some people practice religion.