Xxena wrote: It seems the ONLY ones that are obnoxius and with the big racist mouths against anyone that is NOT like them are the younger males.. not the older males or the females of varying ages.. but the males from about 18 and into their 20's.. and they ARE obnoxious and I honestly think they do so
on purpose to get someone to take a swing at them or something. I'm really surprised the jerk said anything to me, usually they don't even acknowledge women, especially non muslim women OR they go to the extreme opposite and act like extreme pigs around non muslim women with their demeaning sexist remakes, cat calls etc. And they always go in groups.. typical bully mentality.
The underlying truth is an irony. If they hadn't experienced the freedoms that we enjoy in our countries, they wouldn't be behaving as they do. The majority of the young muslims were born in our countries.
In my mind, they are nothing but louts, hooligans and thugs in a muslim guise.
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Xxena wrote: [...] It seems the ONLY ones that are obnoxius and with the big racist mouths against anyone that is NOT like them are the younger males.. not the older males or the females of varying ages.. but the males from about 18 and into their 20's.. and they ARE obnoxious and I honestly think they do so on purpose to get someone to take a swing at them or something.
Cut one of them from the herd and he'll probably be as docile and respectful as his daddy raised him, just like any other testosterone-loaded kid.
Cut one of them from the herd and he'll probably be as docile and respectful as his daddy raised him, just like any other testosterone-loaded kid.
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I think people loose sight of the fact that there are many muslims out there who do not get noticed. The reason being they like the vast majority of other people they are getting on with their lives and just want to live in peace. None of the many muslims l know has ever preached their faith at me and told me l must convert..
In my experience they are the only religion to this point who has never stopped me in the street or knocked on my door preaching at me. (excuse me l forgot, never has a member of the jewish faith tried to convert me and some members of my family are jewish)
I've had Mormons, born again Christians, who by the way told me l would rot in hell because l was an unwed mother! and the list could go on and on...
I get frustrated and a little irrate sometimes because people label others by their religion, colour..
We are neither of these, if those young lads were white would you expect anything different, or would you just call em louts full stop. My issue is it doesnt matter the religion etc, pc has gone mad and we are sinking into its hole by making a big deal of it. Look how the big wigs once again get us arguing amongst ourselves, in the mean while taking the focus off of themselves.
No one l know is offended by anyother religion, or culture etc..because they are regular folk and not extremists..Please lets not forget extremists come in many shapes , sizes and cultures aswell as religions..
This is my humble opinion..
In my experience they are the only religion to this point who has never stopped me in the street or knocked on my door preaching at me. (excuse me l forgot, never has a member of the jewish faith tried to convert me and some members of my family are jewish)
I've had Mormons, born again Christians, who by the way told me l would rot in hell because l was an unwed mother! and the list could go on and on...
I get frustrated and a little irrate sometimes because people label others by their religion, colour..
We are neither of these, if those young lads were white would you expect anything different, or would you just call em louts full stop. My issue is it doesnt matter the religion etc, pc has gone mad and we are sinking into its hole by making a big deal of it. Look how the big wigs once again get us arguing amongst ourselves, in the mean while taking the focus off of themselves.
No one l know is offended by anyother religion, or culture etc..because they are regular folk and not extremists..Please lets not forget extremists come in many shapes , sizes and cultures aswell as religions..
This is my humble opinion..
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IMO radical Islam is using political correctness to further their cause. While we excuse the mainstream Muslims (many of whom silently support the radicals) they continue to grow their offensive against us... right under our noses.
This is real. This is not a TV program or a Hollywood movie. This thread is about political correctness. The reality is that the greatest threat we face today is masked and enabled by political correctness.
This is real. This is not a TV program or a Hollywood movie. This thread is about political correctness. The reality is that the greatest threat we face today is masked and enabled by political correctness.
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Accountable wrote: Cut one of them from the herd and he'll probably be as docile and respectful as his daddy raised him, just like any other testosterone-loaded kid.
The ones with bombs strapped to their backs are not in their herd when they get on a crowded bus.
The ones with bombs strapped to their backs are not in their herd when they get on a crowded bus.
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Clint wrote: The ones with bombs strapped to their backs are not in their herd when they get on a crowded bus.
The ones with bombs strapped to their backs are not likely drawing attention to themselves in the streets of Chicago.
The ones with bombs strapped to their backs are not likely drawing attention to themselves in the streets of Chicago.
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Accountable wrote: The ones with bombs strapped to their backs are not likely drawing attention to themselves in the streets of Chicago.
Both feel the same way about infidels.
Both feel the same way about infidels.
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Accountable wrote: Cut one of them from the herd and he'll probably be as docile and respectful as his daddy raised him, just like any other testosterone-loaded kid.
Most definitely... Bully mentality on testrone until they take it that step to far
as noted in one of your posts farther down. Bomb scares.. they are like
warts on a frog around here. Which is bad people tend to get complacent about them, just like the gang violence, the murders etc. Too much hollywoodizing it all on the tube hour after hour, night after night - people no longer see it as the
horrid reality it is. I always thought the best way to make impression on the teens was to make them ride with an ambulance crew on a shift on the weekend and see the bad things people to to people or via drugs and alcohol up close and for real vs. on TV ... probably make most of them puke but it'd wake them up that's for sure. Most of the medics I worked with or knew agreed with me as did many cops but the insurance companies didn't and it will never happen..
Most definitely... Bully mentality on testrone until they take it that step to far
as noted in one of your posts farther down. Bomb scares.. they are like
warts on a frog around here. Which is bad people tend to get complacent about them, just like the gang violence, the murders etc. Too much hollywoodizing it all on the tube hour after hour, night after night - people no longer see it as the
horrid reality it is. I always thought the best way to make impression on the teens was to make them ride with an ambulance crew on a shift on the weekend and see the bad things people to to people or via drugs and alcohol up close and for real vs. on TV ... probably make most of them puke but it'd wake them up that's for sure. Most of the medics I worked with or knew agreed with me as did many cops but the insurance companies didn't and it will never happen..
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Since we're kind of discussing the fact that there really are quite a few moderate muslims, let me ask you something....
If some Christians became radical and began shooting, killing, and suicide bombing literally thousands of people, what would you do about it? Wouldn't you actively campaign against them? Wouldn't you demand justice and want retribution? Wouldn't you hunt them down and incarcerate them?
Well...I'm not seeing very much of that from the Arabs and the moderate muslim populations. If anything, they actively support terrorist-extremists, and at best don't speak up at all.
To my mind they are all complicitous.
If some Christians became radical and began shooting, killing, and suicide bombing literally thousands of people, what would you do about it? Wouldn't you actively campaign against them? Wouldn't you demand justice and want retribution? Wouldn't you hunt them down and incarcerate them?
Well...I'm not seeing very much of that from the Arabs and the moderate muslim populations. If anything, they actively support terrorist-extremists, and at best don't speak up at all.
To my mind they are all complicitous.
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Years ago I used to argue that these people were forced into forming their own communities because of the 'hatred' they received. This was mostly from the young louts of the time, but it was their fathers that used to complain about the immigrants.
The Government now wants to integrate all the different communities into society as a way of eliminating racial tension. But I fear it's too late now. Bradford is a case in point where the whole town has been taken over by muslims. How do they expect to integrate them? They run the town!
The Government now wants to integrate all the different communities into society as a way of eliminating racial tension. But I fear it's too late now. Bradford is a case in point where the whole town has been taken over by muslims. How do they expect to integrate them? They run the town!
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OpenMind wrote: Bradford is a case in point where the whole town has been taken over by muslims. How do they expect to integrate them? They run the town!
Yes...and that's what I'm afraid of. They have already set up a "country within a country". Now it's too late to bring them into the mainstream culture. Next will come backlash and racism from other communities, then genocide.:-5
(See Bosnia - Herzegovina / Serbia)
Yes...and that's what I'm afraid of. They have already set up a "country within a country". Now it's too late to bring them into the mainstream culture. Next will come backlash and racism from other communities, then genocide.:-5
(See Bosnia - Herzegovina / Serbia)
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Far Rider wrote: [...]Groups are groups because the group themselves, don't try to sort them out, theres a reason they dont want to go out of their groups. The more a government tries the more intolorance spreads...[...]
That's part of the problem. The gov't shouldn't be involved in the groups at all. If the gov't looked at the governed as one group and ignore the small differences within the group, things would naturally flow alot better.
That's part of the problem. The gov't shouldn't be involved in the groups at all. If the gov't looked at the governed as one group and ignore the small differences within the group, things would naturally flow alot better.
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I'm with you on that Far. Everyone gets the same chance with me. I will discuss things, I am proud to say that I can hold a discussion about religion without it turning into a fight, but I don't stand on pedestals or soap-boxes. If someone tells me their religion without me asking, I know they've got a problem. They really want to talk about their problem but are too proud to admit they have one so they hide behind religion instead believing that will help them. I find Jehovah's Witnesses to be especially full of people with personal problems, and boy, they come knocking to tell you about their religion!!!. At least I've had none call since I live where I do now (a real blessing).
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Accountable wrote: That's part of the problem. The gov't shouldn't be involved in the groups at all. If the gov't looked at the governed as one group and ignore the small differences within the group, things would naturally flow alot better.
Unfortunately, the whole premise of our (British) Labour government is pluralism, that's institutions to you and me. On top of this (of course they don't advertise this), they build their policies on the basis that the electorate does not know what's best for them - hence, it ignores the electorate's demands.
Unfortunately, the whole premise of our (British) Labour government is pluralism, that's institutions to you and me. On top of this (of course they don't advertise this), they build their policies on the basis that the electorate does not know what's best for them - hence, it ignores the electorate's demands.
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Far Rider wrote: .
I dont see color, I dont see race, I dont see political affiliation or country or anything else, I see the kindness of someone whos following tha basic rules of life or I see someone who breaks those basic fundamental laws of getting along..
This statement by Far sais it all for me.....and my AVATAR....:-6
I dont see color, I dont see race, I dont see political affiliation or country or anything else, I see the kindness of someone whos following tha basic rules of life or I see someone who breaks those basic fundamental laws of getting along..
This statement by Far sais it all for me.....and my AVATAR....:-6
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Clint wrote: Both feel the same way about infidels.
Then "both" need to be erraticated!!! :-5 Erraticate them first, before they erraticate us!
The Bible says and Eye for an Eye, so you kill me, mine kill you!!!
(But that doesn't help me)
Then "both" need to be erraticated!!! :-5 Erraticate them first, before they erraticate us!
The Bible says and Eye for an Eye, so you kill me, mine kill you!!!
(But that doesn't help me)
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Far Rider wrote: so there you have it... couldnt have said it better...stay out of it gov.
I remember my time as a drill sergeant and the wave of PC that came through... what utter nonsense...
it severly limited my ability to train a soldier, I sepnt so much time trying not to say things I wasnt able to get the job done...
Do people honestly think that polical correctness, race baiting, sterotyping to the extemes it gone to create violence from one group against another etc etc was just a metamorphisis on its own ??? the farking government is behind it... remember ... if you keep the citiznes busy with all this type of fodder that leaves those in power to do what they need and want without being harassed by the people that put them there. I've used the term mushroom people here in various
topics on a number of occassions and no one aks what that means...
Are you all aware of what it means after you're done laughing at the explanation.. its not funny.. at all.. it IS reality and we are living it like it or NOT !
People of this country in general need to go back and read history before all the books are gone or destroyed or rewritten and before THAT generation we call "grand parents and Great Grandparents are gone and the truth goes with them... I was appalled, totally appalled when I went through the US history books and world history books my kids had out here in Yuppie NIrvana.... they start the modern History of the USA and the world at the Viet Nam war... there is not more than a paragraph mention of the how's and why's the the great wars througout history.. much less the Fench Revolution, the Russian Revolution,.. my
kids via schooll had NO idea who Marx and Stalin were... but being their grandparents on huband's side were prisoners of war and taken as slave labor as Poles for the concentration camps .. they KNOW what happended to all kinds of
people in WW2. My oldest as a Senior in HIgh school when she corrected the
world history teacher about the how's and why's of WW2 was threanted with
detention for spreading vicious rumors and being PRO JEW... she asked if the teacher would like her grandparents and their neighbor across the street to come in and show the tattoes on their arms from the death camps they lived and worked in as slave labor of the Nazi's to help exterminate the Jews... the teacher shut up at that point and went onto Viet NAM...
Its amazing that most people under the age of 35 with rare exception know anything about geography and world history much less US history and you guys here wonder why Political Correctness is now running amok and reeking havoc in
all our lives in every farking state in the USA ?
I remember my time as a drill sergeant and the wave of PC that came through... what utter nonsense...
it severly limited my ability to train a soldier, I sepnt so much time trying not to say things I wasnt able to get the job done...
Do people honestly think that polical correctness, race baiting, sterotyping to the extemes it gone to create violence from one group against another etc etc was just a metamorphisis on its own ??? the farking government is behind it... remember ... if you keep the citiznes busy with all this type of fodder that leaves those in power to do what they need and want without being harassed by the people that put them there. I've used the term mushroom people here in various
topics on a number of occassions and no one aks what that means...
Are you all aware of what it means after you're done laughing at the explanation.. its not funny.. at all.. it IS reality and we are living it like it or NOT !
People of this country in general need to go back and read history before all the books are gone or destroyed or rewritten and before THAT generation we call "grand parents and Great Grandparents are gone and the truth goes with them... I was appalled, totally appalled when I went through the US history books and world history books my kids had out here in Yuppie NIrvana.... they start the modern History of the USA and the world at the Viet Nam war... there is not more than a paragraph mention of the how's and why's the the great wars througout history.. much less the Fench Revolution, the Russian Revolution,.. my
kids via schooll had NO idea who Marx and Stalin were... but being their grandparents on huband's side were prisoners of war and taken as slave labor as Poles for the concentration camps .. they KNOW what happended to all kinds of
people in WW2. My oldest as a Senior in HIgh school when she corrected the
world history teacher about the how's and why's of WW2 was threanted with
detention for spreading vicious rumors and being PRO JEW... she asked if the teacher would like her grandparents and their neighbor across the street to come in and show the tattoes on their arms from the death camps they lived and worked in as slave labor of the Nazi's to help exterminate the Jews... the teacher shut up at that point and went onto Viet NAM...
Its amazing that most people under the age of 35 with rare exception know anything about geography and world history much less US history and you guys here wonder why Political Correctness is now running amok and reeking havoc in
all our lives in every farking state in the USA ?
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This issue makes me so angry I can't say what I want to say without violating my own code for decency.
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Personally, I'm dumping PC and going back to good old CS.
By the way Far, I don't like your open-ended generalization that schools are training kids to be politically correct zombies. You make that accusation, but you don't give any examples, so you leave it up to the reader's imagination what your statement means. A dirty trick, that.
I'll say it straight out... you want good old fashioned Christian values like decency, honesty, integrity, and courage? Look no further than teachers. They model these values every day for your children.
What exactly are you referring to then? Teaching tolerance for others and acceptance of other's rights and cultures?
Seems to me that Christ, himself, was for that.
By the way Far, I don't like your open-ended generalization that schools are training kids to be politically correct zombies. You make that accusation, but you don't give any examples, so you leave it up to the reader's imagination what your statement means. A dirty trick, that.
I'll say it straight out... you want good old fashioned Christian values like decency, honesty, integrity, and courage? Look no further than teachers. They model these values every day for your children.
What exactly are you referring to then? Teaching tolerance for others and acceptance of other's rights and cultures?
Seems to me that Christ, himself, was for that.
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
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Jives wrote: Personally, I'm dumping PC and going back to good old CS.
By the way Far, I don't like your open-ended generalization that schools are training kids to be politically correct zombies. You make that accusation, but you don't give any examples, so you leave it up to the reader's imagination what your statement means. A dirty trick, that.
I'll say it straight out... you want good old fashioned Christian values like decency, honesty, integrity, and courage? Look no further than teachers. They model these values every day for your children.
What exactly are you referring to then? Teaching tolerance for others and acceptance of other's rights and cultures?
Seems to me that Christ, himself, was for that.
What happens when you have teachers that no longer exhibit the values you as a parent would like them to subject your child to ? What happens when you couple that with parents who's careers and/or social lives always take first place over the kids they brought into the world ? How about the really good teachers like you describe above who's hands are tied by this out of wack system and find themselves censoared to comply with political correctness... THAT is what is happening. This is what I experenced with the bigger proportion of the teachers My kids had from Junior high through highschool and even into college. These are the types of parents we have encountered when we moved into the suburbs where we are and since I deal with a LOT Of teachers as part of our business, they complain to me continually about how their hands are tied in everything from
discipline to comforting children when they need it, to holding parents accountable for their responsibilities to having honest and open discussion with their classes on some of the more hot issues of the day with older students in history and current events classes.
The biggest joke at the highschool here which is "ranked #1....." by the local papers, residents etc is the fact when the final bell rings the teachers are like a stampeeding herd leaving the building and the grounds. A rare handful stick around to counsel, tutor or meet with students or parents... the majority do their
mandated time, take their checks and run !
Political correctness run amok in the schools, you want a good example ..
My oldest just turned 25.. her junior year in Highschool she left the lunch room and went to her locker to get a book to study for an exam... she was jumped from behind by 2 girls, each twice her size. They slammed her to the floor, one sat on her and was hitting her head into the floor while the other kicked her. She managed to get free and one puched her in the face, breaking her nose - she did fight back since they were double teaming her and it was her only way of defense and escape. The hall guard a sophomore went and got to of the male Gym teachers.. they brought 2 other male teacher with them. Took 4 full grown men and a few of the male students to pull these 2 off my daugther. They were all taken to the Dean's office (separate rooms) while the highschool campus officer came in and interviewed each of them. The girls knew each other - the two were sisters, the older and my daugther had gone through school since junior high and were acquaintances. The older one was angry that some boy she had a crush on she thought asked mine to the school dance, he was in reality asking her HOW To ask another girl that he had a crush on... so "law of the jungle" the older sisster recruited her sister and they decided to beat the S*** out of my daugther to teach her a lesson about stealing their man... this all was in the officer's report by the way. When the sisters were advised that the "romeo" in question had no interst in my daughter other than a friend and asking her to be the liason for some other girl.. the sisters replied... so what, it was fun beating the S*** out of someone like that. They both had 3 expulsions against each of them to this point for fights on school property at this point of the school year.
My daugther was hurt and I was called to come to school to work this out and then get her medical attention. I was told the whole stupid incident by the Assistant Dean one on one first before they brought my daughter in. When the brought her I was shocked.. she can take care of herself but at 5'1 and 110 pounds to these 2 girls both over 5'8" and both over 160# she was outnumbered
and overpowered. She had a split lip, a broken nose, two huge gashes in her face, that were still bleeding, a section of her hair had been ripped out by the roots and was sstill oozing blood, she had 2 black eyes and the one girl had bit
her twice and broken the skin and drawn blood each time.
I was asked if I wanted to press assault charges against the girls and I said yes. The AP called someone and the officer came in and took out cuffs and asked my daughter to stand up and put her arms behind her back... she looked at me, me at her and I demanded to know what the hell was going on.
Very calmly without missing a beat the Assistant Principal replied.. if you press charges against the two the initiated this then we must arrest your daughter as well and also charge her with assault.
WHY I demanded to know... the AP continued.. that is what is correct... she defended herself against the attack and that means she had to use some form
of violence to counter what they were doing to her, which in this districts mind means she was also guilty of an assualt aginst BOTH of them, she will be charged on 2 counts.
I was dumbfounded... I looked at this jerk Asst Principal and then turned to the officer and asked HIM... YOU are telling me when being attacked my daugther does not have the right to self defense to protect herself ..
Their reply was " not on school grounds.. her constitutional rights end the minute she walks in that front door and is within the school building"... IF she had just laid there and taken the beating and did nothing then she would be in the right, but since she opted to defend herself she was considered as gulity as those that
attacked her first.
I ripped up the complaint sheet and threw it in the face of the Assistant Principal
and told him exactly what I thought of him, his school, his school district and their outrageous twist on sanity... HE TOLD ME this was Political Correctness and like it or not I better get use to it cuz that's they way it was.
I took her to the doctor... she had to get tetnas shots for the bites, stitches for the lacerations, antibiotics for the infection in her scalp where the hair was ripped out. She was suspended for 3 days for "defending herself" and it reads that way on her school record. The other 2 since it was their 4th offense in the given school year were suspended for 10 days with threat of expulsion. I doubt it mattered they had some of the worst class cutting records in the school. I called our lawyer and filed suit against the school for endangering her safety ... I filed suit against the parents of the two girls since at 16 they were still considered minors here. The mother of the girls started with phone harassment so I had to have the local PD, tap my line and get enough evidence to go after her for whatever laws they came up with. All this CRAP from this family continued for
about 3 months. Then the girls moved onto another victim for another stupid reason and were both finally expelled from the school for the balance of of that school year and they both dropped out. When we finally got to court the school
was found innocent and that they did not have to provide safety above and beyond what they already provided on a daily basis. It was up to my daugther
to defend herself and if policy was what it was, then she had to make the decision
to take the beating or defend herself. When the judge asked if I had any comments I told him yes... it was a nice slap in the face to a taxpayer supporting this school and should be a real eye opener to the people of the community that this whole system is insane and no one's kid is safe with this type of mentality. He asked me if that was it and I repled yes and court was adjourned.
The family plead poor and could not repay the medical bills which is all I was asking for to teach them a lesson.. the father was an employee of the County
Park District but they wrote him a letter saying he had been on leave due to migrane headaches.. the issue was not about money it was about people being accountable which obviously was not important.
It took the cops showing up at the door of this family for them to finally back off and quit with the phone calls...
You want more examples... after 4 years in political office from that point forward I can give you tons of the system destroyed by political correctness and how its adversely affecting the people it should protect and the taxpayers that support it with their hard earned money.
My younger one about the same time in junior high came home one day declaring how they had been taught that "discipline at home" was child abuse and were given a list of "common things parents do as discipline" and if we did anything on that list to her she was to call 911 and tell them she was being abused and needed to be removed from the home.
Welcome to Suburbia in the Socialist State of Illinois and the Communist County of CROOK... flash forward to NOW... friends had their kids late in life.. their
sons are still in highschool.. the mother was telling me all the current crap that's being pulled in their school district to be Politically correct and she was speechless to find that parents had NO rights other than to be the people fuding everything.. the kids were to learn what was taught and NOT QUESTION it, there was no such thing as discussion... that is old, thing of the past. She showed me her list from the school of what they consider Political Correctness.. they live SW of Chicago..
where we are NW... I know friends in Michigan, Wisconsin, Indiana, Minnesota,
and other states with kids still in school that ALL complain of the same thing.
If I had any advice for someone with kids in school now... If you can afford it
put them into a private or parochial school and keep them OUT of the public School system in this country. There are tons of good teachers out there BUT their hands are so tightly tied by all of this and they are helpless pawns just lke
we as the parents are along with our kids.
By the way Far, I don't like your open-ended generalization that schools are training kids to be politically correct zombies. You make that accusation, but you don't give any examples, so you leave it up to the reader's imagination what your statement means. A dirty trick, that.
I'll say it straight out... you want good old fashioned Christian values like decency, honesty, integrity, and courage? Look no further than teachers. They model these values every day for your children.
What exactly are you referring to then? Teaching tolerance for others and acceptance of other's rights and cultures?
Seems to me that Christ, himself, was for that.
What happens when you have teachers that no longer exhibit the values you as a parent would like them to subject your child to ? What happens when you couple that with parents who's careers and/or social lives always take first place over the kids they brought into the world ? How about the really good teachers like you describe above who's hands are tied by this out of wack system and find themselves censoared to comply with political correctness... THAT is what is happening. This is what I experenced with the bigger proportion of the teachers My kids had from Junior high through highschool and even into college. These are the types of parents we have encountered when we moved into the suburbs where we are and since I deal with a LOT Of teachers as part of our business, they complain to me continually about how their hands are tied in everything from
discipline to comforting children when they need it, to holding parents accountable for their responsibilities to having honest and open discussion with their classes on some of the more hot issues of the day with older students in history and current events classes.
The biggest joke at the highschool here which is "ranked #1....." by the local papers, residents etc is the fact when the final bell rings the teachers are like a stampeeding herd leaving the building and the grounds. A rare handful stick around to counsel, tutor or meet with students or parents... the majority do their
mandated time, take their checks and run !
Political correctness run amok in the schools, you want a good example ..
My oldest just turned 25.. her junior year in Highschool she left the lunch room and went to her locker to get a book to study for an exam... she was jumped from behind by 2 girls, each twice her size. They slammed her to the floor, one sat on her and was hitting her head into the floor while the other kicked her. She managed to get free and one puched her in the face, breaking her nose - she did fight back since they were double teaming her and it was her only way of defense and escape. The hall guard a sophomore went and got to of the male Gym teachers.. they brought 2 other male teacher with them. Took 4 full grown men and a few of the male students to pull these 2 off my daugther. They were all taken to the Dean's office (separate rooms) while the highschool campus officer came in and interviewed each of them. The girls knew each other - the two were sisters, the older and my daugther had gone through school since junior high and were acquaintances. The older one was angry that some boy she had a crush on she thought asked mine to the school dance, he was in reality asking her HOW To ask another girl that he had a crush on... so "law of the jungle" the older sisster recruited her sister and they decided to beat the S*** out of my daugther to teach her a lesson about stealing their man... this all was in the officer's report by the way. When the sisters were advised that the "romeo" in question had no interst in my daughter other than a friend and asking her to be the liason for some other girl.. the sisters replied... so what, it was fun beating the S*** out of someone like that. They both had 3 expulsions against each of them to this point for fights on school property at this point of the school year.
My daugther was hurt and I was called to come to school to work this out and then get her medical attention. I was told the whole stupid incident by the Assistant Dean one on one first before they brought my daughter in. When the brought her I was shocked.. she can take care of herself but at 5'1 and 110 pounds to these 2 girls both over 5'8" and both over 160# she was outnumbered
and overpowered. She had a split lip, a broken nose, two huge gashes in her face, that were still bleeding, a section of her hair had been ripped out by the roots and was sstill oozing blood, she had 2 black eyes and the one girl had bit
her twice and broken the skin and drawn blood each time.
I was asked if I wanted to press assault charges against the girls and I said yes. The AP called someone and the officer came in and took out cuffs and asked my daughter to stand up and put her arms behind her back... she looked at me, me at her and I demanded to know what the hell was going on.
Very calmly without missing a beat the Assistant Principal replied.. if you press charges against the two the initiated this then we must arrest your daughter as well and also charge her with assault.
WHY I demanded to know... the AP continued.. that is what is correct... she defended herself against the attack and that means she had to use some form
of violence to counter what they were doing to her, which in this districts mind means she was also guilty of an assualt aginst BOTH of them, she will be charged on 2 counts.
I was dumbfounded... I looked at this jerk Asst Principal and then turned to the officer and asked HIM... YOU are telling me when being attacked my daugther does not have the right to self defense to protect herself ..
Their reply was " not on school grounds.. her constitutional rights end the minute she walks in that front door and is within the school building"... IF she had just laid there and taken the beating and did nothing then she would be in the right, but since she opted to defend herself she was considered as gulity as those that
attacked her first.
I ripped up the complaint sheet and threw it in the face of the Assistant Principal
and told him exactly what I thought of him, his school, his school district and their outrageous twist on sanity... HE TOLD ME this was Political Correctness and like it or not I better get use to it cuz that's they way it was.
I took her to the doctor... she had to get tetnas shots for the bites, stitches for the lacerations, antibiotics for the infection in her scalp where the hair was ripped out. She was suspended for 3 days for "defending herself" and it reads that way on her school record. The other 2 since it was their 4th offense in the given school year were suspended for 10 days with threat of expulsion. I doubt it mattered they had some of the worst class cutting records in the school. I called our lawyer and filed suit against the school for endangering her safety ... I filed suit against the parents of the two girls since at 16 they were still considered minors here. The mother of the girls started with phone harassment so I had to have the local PD, tap my line and get enough evidence to go after her for whatever laws they came up with. All this CRAP from this family continued for
about 3 months. Then the girls moved onto another victim for another stupid reason and were both finally expelled from the school for the balance of of that school year and they both dropped out. When we finally got to court the school
was found innocent and that they did not have to provide safety above and beyond what they already provided on a daily basis. It was up to my daugther
to defend herself and if policy was what it was, then she had to make the decision
to take the beating or defend herself. When the judge asked if I had any comments I told him yes... it was a nice slap in the face to a taxpayer supporting this school and should be a real eye opener to the people of the community that this whole system is insane and no one's kid is safe with this type of mentality. He asked me if that was it and I repled yes and court was adjourned.
The family plead poor and could not repay the medical bills which is all I was asking for to teach them a lesson.. the father was an employee of the County
Park District but they wrote him a letter saying he had been on leave due to migrane headaches.. the issue was not about money it was about people being accountable which obviously was not important.
It took the cops showing up at the door of this family for them to finally back off and quit with the phone calls...
You want more examples... after 4 years in political office from that point forward I can give you tons of the system destroyed by political correctness and how its adversely affecting the people it should protect and the taxpayers that support it with their hard earned money.
My younger one about the same time in junior high came home one day declaring how they had been taught that "discipline at home" was child abuse and were given a list of "common things parents do as discipline" and if we did anything on that list to her she was to call 911 and tell them she was being abused and needed to be removed from the home.
Welcome to Suburbia in the Socialist State of Illinois and the Communist County of CROOK... flash forward to NOW... friends had their kids late in life.. their
sons are still in highschool.. the mother was telling me all the current crap that's being pulled in their school district to be Politically correct and she was speechless to find that parents had NO rights other than to be the people fuding everything.. the kids were to learn what was taught and NOT QUESTION it, there was no such thing as discussion... that is old, thing of the past. She showed me her list from the school of what they consider Political Correctness.. they live SW of Chicago..
where we are NW... I know friends in Michigan, Wisconsin, Indiana, Minnesota,
and other states with kids still in school that ALL complain of the same thing.
If I had any advice for someone with kids in school now... If you can afford it
put them into a private or parochial school and keep them OUT of the public School system in this country. There are tons of good teachers out there BUT their hands are so tightly tied by all of this and they are helpless pawns just lke
we as the parents are along with our kids.
The difference between Congress as envisoned by the Founding Fathers and the Congress we have today is one of them inspires patriots to support it, and the other inspires patriots to buy extra ammo (Angel Shamaya)
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ArnoldLayne wrote: I got incredibly angry reading that post Xxena. Where do these people hope to take us . What is their final goal. Just astonishing, beggars belief.
You are angry... you should have been in MY shoes when this was happending and things forward... as a retired medic learning patience and being cool in even the most chaotic situations is my forte'... but nothing gets to me faster than this
PC crap and the insanity of it, especially when it affects MY KIDS !
I got into politics for the right reasons.. community service and giving back.. righting wrongs etc... BOY did I ever get an Education and hence my comments which ARE based on experience. I'm still involved in a much lower level in an appointment capacity so I have my finger on the pulse of local things at all times, and it does not require quite the compromises of being an elected official.. but what I see undwinding as the months go by makes me sick to my stomach.. I have a lot of sleepless nights wondering what is in the furture for MY kids and others that have been raised with good work ethics, morals and other admirable traits in humans.. we seem to be the group headed for extinction in this "new world order"... which I do not like one bit !
You are angry... you should have been in MY shoes when this was happending and things forward... as a retired medic learning patience and being cool in even the most chaotic situations is my forte'... but nothing gets to me faster than this
PC crap and the insanity of it, especially when it affects MY KIDS !
I got into politics for the right reasons.. community service and giving back.. righting wrongs etc... BOY did I ever get an Education and hence my comments which ARE based on experience. I'm still involved in a much lower level in an appointment capacity so I have my finger on the pulse of local things at all times, and it does not require quite the compromises of being an elected official.. but what I see undwinding as the months go by makes me sick to my stomach.. I have a lot of sleepless nights wondering what is in the furture for MY kids and others that have been raised with good work ethics, morals and other admirable traits in humans.. we seem to be the group headed for extinction in this "new world order"... which I do not like one bit !
The difference between Congress as envisoned by the Founding Fathers and the Congress we have today is one of them inspires patriots to support it, and the other inspires patriots to buy extra ammo (Angel Shamaya)
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ArnoldLayne wrote: I got incredibly angry reading that post Xxena. Where do these people hope to take us . What is their final goal. Just astonishing, beggars belief.
Man, I whole heartedly agree with Arnold, I got so p*s*ed off reading your post Xxena, that I had to wait a few minutes before writing this post!!! WTF is this world coming to? It seems only criminals, murderers, & as*h*les have rights! And the hard working, "law-abiding", common people get to be persecuted, arrested, and charged!! :-5 There is no real commom sense justice any longer!!!
Man, I whole heartedly agree with Arnold, I got so p*s*ed off reading your post Xxena, that I had to wait a few minutes before writing this post!!! WTF is this world coming to? It seems only criminals, murderers, & as*h*les have rights! And the hard working, "law-abiding", common people get to be persecuted, arrested, and charged!! :-5 There is no real commom sense justice any longer!!!
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Note to self: Xxena has a personal axe to grind.
You're right Xxena....we should let the kids defend themselves, even to the point of killing each other.
Why you think that giving the message that no violence by anyone at school is being "politically correct" beats me. I call it common sense.
Besides, I highly suspect that your daughter wasn't completely innocent in this incident. We've only heard your side, and in my many years, I've found that it's never a good idea to judge after hearing only one side.:rolleyes:
You're right Xxena....we should let the kids defend themselves, even to the point of killing each other.
Why you think that giving the message that no violence by anyone at school is being "politically correct" beats me. I call it common sense.
Besides, I highly suspect that your daughter wasn't completely innocent in this incident. We've only heard your side, and in my many years, I've found that it's never a good idea to judge after hearing only one side.:rolleyes:
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
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Jives wrote: Note to self: Xxena has a personal axe to grind.
You're right Xxena....we should let the kids defend themselves, even to the point of killing each other.
Why you think that giving the message that no violence by anyone at school is acceptable is being "politically correct" beats me. I call it common sense.
Besides, I highly suspect that your daughter wasn't completely innocent in this incident. We've only heard your side, and in my many years, I've found that it's never a good idea to judge after hearing only one side.:rolleyes:
So if you were jumped on the street walking home late at night, you should be charged with assault if you defend yourself?!? And if someone tried to rape your wife or your daughter, they should be charged with assault if they try to defend themselves? Sorry, but that is pretty messed up.
And since the girls who jumped her daughter told the police the same story that Xxena told us, why in the world should she not believe her daughter? I hate to break it to you, but girls are not so sweet and innocent any more that they are not above attacking someone for a percieved wrong.
You're right Xxena....we should let the kids defend themselves, even to the point of killing each other.
Why you think that giving the message that no violence by anyone at school is acceptable is being "politically correct" beats me. I call it common sense.
Besides, I highly suspect that your daughter wasn't completely innocent in this incident. We've only heard your side, and in my many years, I've found that it's never a good idea to judge after hearing only one side.:rolleyes:
So if you were jumped on the street walking home late at night, you should be charged with assault if you defend yourself?!? And if someone tried to rape your wife or your daughter, they should be charged with assault if they try to defend themselves? Sorry, but that is pretty messed up.
And since the girls who jumped her daughter told the police the same story that Xxena told us, why in the world should she not believe her daughter? I hate to break it to you, but girls are not so sweet and innocent any more that they are not above attacking someone for a percieved wrong.
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Jives wrote: Note to self: Xxena has a personal axe to grind.
You're right Xxena....we should let the kids defend themselves, even to the point of killing each other.
Why you think that giving the message that no violence by anyone at school is acceptable is being "politically correct" beats me. I call it common sense.
Besides, I highly suspect that your daughter wasn't completely innocent in this incident. We've only heard your side, and in my many years, I've found that it's never a good idea to judge after hearing only one side.:rolleyes:
You're right Jives, there are "three" sides to every story. Her side, their side, & the truth! But "two" against "one" is just wrong! Be it man, or women, boy, or girl! Actually, Xxena's daughter did those bullies a favor, by defending herself.
Because if she hadn't defended herself, then those bullies just might have been had to be arrested for murder!!!:wah:
You're right Xxena....we should let the kids defend themselves, even to the point of killing each other.
Why you think that giving the message that no violence by anyone at school is acceptable is being "politically correct" beats me. I call it common sense.
Besides, I highly suspect that your daughter wasn't completely innocent in this incident. We've only heard your side, and in my many years, I've found that it's never a good idea to judge after hearing only one side.:rolleyes:
You're right Jives, there are "three" sides to every story. Her side, their side, & the truth! But "two" against "one" is just wrong! Be it man, or women, boy, or girl! Actually, Xxena's daughter did those bullies a favor, by defending herself.
Because if she hadn't defended herself, then those bullies just might have been had to be arrested for murder!!!:wah:
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LilacDragon wrote: So if you were jumped on the street walking home late at night, you should be charged with assault if you defend yourself?!?
Whoops!
1. I'm not a minor, I'm an adult citizen.
2. The city streets are not a school.
And since the girls who jumped her daughter told the police the same story that Xxena told us,
Mistake again. How do you know that? You only have Xxena's side of the story.
I hate to break it to you, but girls are not so sweet and innocent any more that they are not above attacking someone for a percieved wrong.
True...which is why it's completely possible that Xxena's daughter started the whole thing.
Whoops!
1. I'm not a minor, I'm an adult citizen.
2. The city streets are not a school.
And since the girls who jumped her daughter told the police the same story that Xxena told us,
Mistake again. How do you know that? You only have Xxena's side of the story.
I hate to break it to you, but girls are not so sweet and innocent any more that they are not above attacking someone for a percieved wrong.
True...which is why it's completely possible that Xxena's daughter started the whole thing.
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
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ArnoldLayne wrote: http://www.thehumorarchives.com/attachm ... B34C3461Is this politically incorrect or just a sign of the times ? 
It says "ALL" passengers, so?:-2
It says "ALL" passengers, so?:-2
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ArnoldLayne wrote: Are we then to assume then, Jives, we want our children to become completely passive in the face of violent confrontation. Are we not to teach our children the importance of defending what is right . Or should we allow the bully to ride rough shod over us with the knowledge they wont be stopped in their tracks.
You're stepping into a morass and you have no idea how big it is. It only takes 3.5 pounds of pressure per square inch to shatter a human neck or skull. Both the girls and Xxena's daughter were capable of killing each other with their bare hands.
Suppose that Xxena's daughter had killed one or both of the girls. Would you call that acceptable? What if it was your daughter that was killed? Even if she were the attacker, can you honestly say that you wouldn't hold the school responsible?
We cannot allow the children in our care to kill each other....period.
Get real.
You're stepping into a morass and you have no idea how big it is. It only takes 3.5 pounds of pressure per square inch to shatter a human neck or skull. Both the girls and Xxena's daughter were capable of killing each other with their bare hands.
Suppose that Xxena's daughter had killed one or both of the girls. Would you call that acceptable? What if it was your daughter that was killed? Even if she were the attacker, can you honestly say that you wouldn't hold the school responsible?
We cannot allow the children in our care to kill each other....period.
Get real.
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
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ArnoldLayne wrote: Are we then to assume then, Jives, we want our children to become completely passive in the face of violent confrontation.
No. The lesson learned by both parties was that violence of any kind is unacceptable at school.
Are we not to teach our children the importance of defending what is right .
We should teach them that violence is wrong. And please remember that you have no idea who was really in the right here. I suspect no one was.
Or should we allow the bully to ride rough shod over us with the knowledge they wont be stopped in their tracks.
Who was the bully? There's no way to tell. Both sides could be lying. But to oversimplify your question (Which is actually a statement since it has no question mark) Who is actually in charge of stopping the bully? The students? No..the administration.
Now...I answered your questions. Will you answer mine?
No. The lesson learned by both parties was that violence of any kind is unacceptable at school.
Are we not to teach our children the importance of defending what is right .
We should teach them that violence is wrong. And please remember that you have no idea who was really in the right here. I suspect no one was.
Or should we allow the bully to ride rough shod over us with the knowledge they wont be stopped in their tracks.
Who was the bully? There's no way to tell. Both sides could be lying. But to oversimplify your question (Which is actually a statement since it has no question mark) Who is actually in charge of stopping the bully? The students? No..the administration.
Now...I answered your questions. Will you answer mine?
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
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Jives wrote: No. The lesson learned by both parties was that violence of any kind is unacceptable at school.
We should teach them that violence is wrong. And please remember that you have no idea who was really in the right here. I suspect no one was.
Who was the bully? There's no way to tell. Both sides could be lying. But to oversimplify your question (Which is actually a statement since it has no question mark) Who is actually in charge of stopping the bully? The students? No..the administration.
Now...I answered your questions. Will you answer mine?
In the report the young man that was the "hall monitor" witnessed the whole thing from beginning to end, including the fact my daughter was digging in her locker looking for something when the girls came up behind her and as she turned to close the door they tackled her at the same time one from the back and one from the side to get her down. He was specific enough to note who was sitting on her back slamming her head and who was off her side kicking her in the ribs and spitting on her. He yelled to the 2 boys gym teachers he saw in the doorway and they came running and witnessed the continual attack as they noted in
the police report as well. The CAMPUS SECURITY is not a RENT A COP, they are uniform sworn officers of the city in which the highschool resides and assigned to the schools for security due to the ever growing gang and drug problems. They treat incidents at the schools where there is drugs, alcohol, weapons of all kinds and any physical violence just as they would on a call they were dispatched to out in the field vs. residing inside an office in the school and paged when needed unless they are outside patrolling the grounds.
There was no need to go into the dirty nitty gritty of this but if you want the dirt.. here goes.. the older sister that mine knew since junior high was the high school.. was is the nice way to put it ?... free sex kitten to whomever would buy her a pack of cigarettes ... my daugther knew her from classes felt sorry for her being picked on by the girls who's boyfriends she was always messing with and would talk to her and be nice to her when no one else would give her the time of day. The girl was here quite a few times but I put a halt to it when I caught her in my office going through my purse and taking money out of my wallet. I caught her red handed and she lied to my face telling me I was lying and that was her money - when I asked why she opened a closed door and was in my purse which is in my desk drawer she called me a Bitch and stormed out the front door. Prior to the purse incident my daugther went out with her on a few occassions to the local mall etc where the kids hang out.. I usally drove them. On a number of occassions mine called home upset to come and get her since the other one met some boys and took off with them leaving her there alone and with no clue where they went or how long they would be gone. After enough times she got wise to the reality of the situation and stopped any further association with the girl outside of school, talked to her in class or at school and left it at that. The other girl knew mine and this boy had a few classes together ... they had also known each other since grade school which meant they were friends for about 10 years at this point. The boy's sister was on the same softball team with my daughter so she knew the family well over the years. The girl that attacked her wanted to be fixed up with this boy and she kept badgering mine to make it work for her. Mine advised she had asked him at some point and he was not interested he told her to reply. The fact that they were long time friends and talked often between classes, in classes after school infuriated the girl that had the crush on him and I would venture it was her immaturity and jealousy that got the best of any better judgement she might have that ceased the situation down the road.
Both the girls from this family had a long history of discipline problems dating back the the 5th grade, the younger sister even further back into early grade school. There was absolutely no discipline at home... they were not poor trust me.. no one can live in this area and pay these taxes if they were poor. The father had a golf fetish and spent every hour not at work or sleeping doing something somewhere that had to do with golf.. the mother either watched TV all day long or shopped. The girls were basically latchkey kids due to their parents social lives, not the fact they were both working parents.. the mother has never worked a day in her life as far as I know, she told me that one time when I brought the girls back from the movie theatre. She also told me she let the other mothers drive
her kids everywhere with theirs she had no desire to be their "damn chauffeur"...if other mom's were stupid enough to do it.. let them was her comment. Both the girls had history in school for picking or bullying other girls and starting fights going back over a number of years. Both the girls in high school had truancy problems, discipline problems with teachers, detentions for smoking in the bathrooms and bringing beer into the school on numerous occassions.
This is a small community and not much goes on that others don't know about or are aware of ... I've taught my kids to give others the benefit of the doubt and not go by gossip which is what mine did trying to befriend the girl. But we all know that friendships come and go and especially at that age when immaturity
reigns supreme, hormones rage and just the nasty stuff that comes with puberty and growing up.
Being that the other 2 girls walked away with nothing but some torn clothing as mine tried to get away from them and she came home with $950 in medical bills, bandages, sutures, bruises, bites and black eyes at their hands I would say it was quite clear who was the aggressor and who was their victim. The fact that the police report states that it took 4 grown men to "peel" these 2 sisters "off the other girl as they continued to punch her, bite her and pull her hair out"... would be a good indication that it was exactly as it seemed. The fact that their mother had the need to resort to threatening phone calls all day and all night long for days on end that went into weeks until the cops showed up at her door.. tells me
that these kids were a definite product of their environment.
On the police report the sisters very openly bragged about planning the whole attack - they had been shadowing her for a few weeks to see what her pattern was and knew she always studied after lunch for her next class and went to her locker for her book when she was done eating, from there she went to the student lounge where she could study where it was more quiet and from there went to class when the bell rang.
To punish all for the premediated act of these two is an outrage and further victimizes my daugther or anyone else had it been someone else's kid.
My note that they were eventually thrown out of school for another attack on another girl weeks later.. that was the sister of the boy the older one had the crush on.. she tried to intimidate the girl into talking her brother into dating
her .. girl refused .. they pounced on her and pounded her as well.
These girls still live around here locally somewhere..and are known for brawling in the local bars and have been arrested on a number of occasions now that they are no longer minors being in their mid 20's. .. they come on hard to some guy.. his girlfriend tells them to get lost... girlfriend goes to the bathroom and they go after her and pound on her... police reports are printed in the paper here weekly so not much goes un noticed.
The politically correct system sucks to begin with but it is further victimzing the
victims and you can witness that every night on the local news when the cry is for the rights of the accused and their victims dead or alive are all but forgetten in the rush to make sure the aggressors rights are not stomped on...
Violence is wrong but so is trying to convince people that they have no right to stand up for themselves when someone is taking advantage of them in any manner and when confronted with physical harm people have a right to defend themselves against their attackers. If some of these bully mentality types actually feared being caught and having to answer for their antisocial actions there might
be less of this, instead the politically correct embrace them and champion their cause at the expense of the real victims.
THAT is an abomination in what is suppose to be a free and civil society and its this abomination that this PC system cultivates.
We should teach them that violence is wrong. And please remember that you have no idea who was really in the right here. I suspect no one was.
Who was the bully? There's no way to tell. Both sides could be lying. But to oversimplify your question (Which is actually a statement since it has no question mark) Who is actually in charge of stopping the bully? The students? No..the administration.
Now...I answered your questions. Will you answer mine?
In the report the young man that was the "hall monitor" witnessed the whole thing from beginning to end, including the fact my daughter was digging in her locker looking for something when the girls came up behind her and as she turned to close the door they tackled her at the same time one from the back and one from the side to get her down. He was specific enough to note who was sitting on her back slamming her head and who was off her side kicking her in the ribs and spitting on her. He yelled to the 2 boys gym teachers he saw in the doorway and they came running and witnessed the continual attack as they noted in
the police report as well. The CAMPUS SECURITY is not a RENT A COP, they are uniform sworn officers of the city in which the highschool resides and assigned to the schools for security due to the ever growing gang and drug problems. They treat incidents at the schools where there is drugs, alcohol, weapons of all kinds and any physical violence just as they would on a call they were dispatched to out in the field vs. residing inside an office in the school and paged when needed unless they are outside patrolling the grounds.
There was no need to go into the dirty nitty gritty of this but if you want the dirt.. here goes.. the older sister that mine knew since junior high was the high school.. was is the nice way to put it ?... free sex kitten to whomever would buy her a pack of cigarettes ... my daugther knew her from classes felt sorry for her being picked on by the girls who's boyfriends she was always messing with and would talk to her and be nice to her when no one else would give her the time of day. The girl was here quite a few times but I put a halt to it when I caught her in my office going through my purse and taking money out of my wallet. I caught her red handed and she lied to my face telling me I was lying and that was her money - when I asked why she opened a closed door and was in my purse which is in my desk drawer she called me a Bitch and stormed out the front door. Prior to the purse incident my daugther went out with her on a few occassions to the local mall etc where the kids hang out.. I usally drove them. On a number of occassions mine called home upset to come and get her since the other one met some boys and took off with them leaving her there alone and with no clue where they went or how long they would be gone. After enough times she got wise to the reality of the situation and stopped any further association with the girl outside of school, talked to her in class or at school and left it at that. The other girl knew mine and this boy had a few classes together ... they had also known each other since grade school which meant they were friends for about 10 years at this point. The boy's sister was on the same softball team with my daughter so she knew the family well over the years. The girl that attacked her wanted to be fixed up with this boy and she kept badgering mine to make it work for her. Mine advised she had asked him at some point and he was not interested he told her to reply. The fact that they were long time friends and talked often between classes, in classes after school infuriated the girl that had the crush on him and I would venture it was her immaturity and jealousy that got the best of any better judgement she might have that ceased the situation down the road.
Both the girls from this family had a long history of discipline problems dating back the the 5th grade, the younger sister even further back into early grade school. There was absolutely no discipline at home... they were not poor trust me.. no one can live in this area and pay these taxes if they were poor. The father had a golf fetish and spent every hour not at work or sleeping doing something somewhere that had to do with golf.. the mother either watched TV all day long or shopped. The girls were basically latchkey kids due to their parents social lives, not the fact they were both working parents.. the mother has never worked a day in her life as far as I know, she told me that one time when I brought the girls back from the movie theatre. She also told me she let the other mothers drive
her kids everywhere with theirs she had no desire to be their "damn chauffeur"...if other mom's were stupid enough to do it.. let them was her comment. Both the girls had history in school for picking or bullying other girls and starting fights going back over a number of years. Both the girls in high school had truancy problems, discipline problems with teachers, detentions for smoking in the bathrooms and bringing beer into the school on numerous occassions.
This is a small community and not much goes on that others don't know about or are aware of ... I've taught my kids to give others the benefit of the doubt and not go by gossip which is what mine did trying to befriend the girl. But we all know that friendships come and go and especially at that age when immaturity
reigns supreme, hormones rage and just the nasty stuff that comes with puberty and growing up.
Being that the other 2 girls walked away with nothing but some torn clothing as mine tried to get away from them and she came home with $950 in medical bills, bandages, sutures, bruises, bites and black eyes at their hands I would say it was quite clear who was the aggressor and who was their victim. The fact that the police report states that it took 4 grown men to "peel" these 2 sisters "off the other girl as they continued to punch her, bite her and pull her hair out"... would be a good indication that it was exactly as it seemed. The fact that their mother had the need to resort to threatening phone calls all day and all night long for days on end that went into weeks until the cops showed up at her door.. tells me
that these kids were a definite product of their environment.
On the police report the sisters very openly bragged about planning the whole attack - they had been shadowing her for a few weeks to see what her pattern was and knew she always studied after lunch for her next class and went to her locker for her book when she was done eating, from there she went to the student lounge where she could study where it was more quiet and from there went to class when the bell rang.
To punish all for the premediated act of these two is an outrage and further victimizes my daugther or anyone else had it been someone else's kid.
My note that they were eventually thrown out of school for another attack on another girl weeks later.. that was the sister of the boy the older one had the crush on.. she tried to intimidate the girl into talking her brother into dating
her .. girl refused .. they pounced on her and pounded her as well.
These girls still live around here locally somewhere..and are known for brawling in the local bars and have been arrested on a number of occasions now that they are no longer minors being in their mid 20's. .. they come on hard to some guy.. his girlfriend tells them to get lost... girlfriend goes to the bathroom and they go after her and pound on her... police reports are printed in the paper here weekly so not much goes un noticed.
The politically correct system sucks to begin with but it is further victimzing the
victims and you can witness that every night on the local news when the cry is for the rights of the accused and their victims dead or alive are all but forgetten in the rush to make sure the aggressors rights are not stomped on...
Violence is wrong but so is trying to convince people that they have no right to stand up for themselves when someone is taking advantage of them in any manner and when confronted with physical harm people have a right to defend themselves against their attackers. If some of these bully mentality types actually feared being caught and having to answer for their antisocial actions there might
be less of this, instead the politically correct embrace them and champion their cause at the expense of the real victims.
THAT is an abomination in what is suppose to be a free and civil society and its this abomination that this PC system cultivates.
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cars wrote: You're right Jives, there are "three" sides to every story. Her side, their side, & the truth! But "two" against "one" is just wrong! Be it man, or women, boy, or girl! Actually, Xxena's daughter did those bullies a favor, by defending herself.
Because if she hadn't defended herself, then those bullies just might have been had to be arrested for murder!!!:wah:
No this whole incident did us a favor ... I enrolled the girls in the marital arts after that and I think they both stopped around blue belt when they went off to college.
I also insisted they attend my Self Defense classes with firearms and get their
certificates .. I am an NRA Certiifed trainer... they also went on to take their firearms training seriously enough to enter into junior competitions until college age. The younger one still target shoots for enjoyment, the older one and her husband do have their CC permits since their state is a CC state. They dont go looking for trouble, but they also will not be someone's willing victim.
OH Gentlemen.. by the way... according to local police the incidents of attacks in and around the school which result in injury are more often commited by females than males, including the gang members. And females tend to be MORE aggressive, more deadly and more premeditated. Some of the worst fights I saw
growing up in school were NEVER the guys.. it was always the girls and it had nothing to do with pulling hair and slapping each other around like TV shows, trust me !
My kid totally innocent.. as a whole NO, I'd be stupid to even think that.. in this particular incident yes... it was unproked, other than the fact she refused to be bullied into doing something the other girl wanted. Oddly enough she never had problems with anyone prior to that or after.. do the math.
Because if she hadn't defended herself, then those bullies just might have been had to be arrested for murder!!!:wah:
No this whole incident did us a favor ... I enrolled the girls in the marital arts after that and I think they both stopped around blue belt when they went off to college.
I also insisted they attend my Self Defense classes with firearms and get their
certificates .. I am an NRA Certiifed trainer... they also went on to take their firearms training seriously enough to enter into junior competitions until college age. The younger one still target shoots for enjoyment, the older one and her husband do have their CC permits since their state is a CC state. They dont go looking for trouble, but they also will not be someone's willing victim.
OH Gentlemen.. by the way... according to local police the incidents of attacks in and around the school which result in injury are more often commited by females than males, including the gang members. And females tend to be MORE aggressive, more deadly and more premeditated. Some of the worst fights I saw
growing up in school were NEVER the guys.. it was always the girls and it had nothing to do with pulling hair and slapping each other around like TV shows, trust me !
My kid totally innocent.. as a whole NO, I'd be stupid to even think that.. in this particular incident yes... it was unproked, other than the fact she refused to be bullied into doing something the other girl wanted. Oddly enough she never had problems with anyone prior to that or after.. do the math.
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LOL! I knew there was a history. Your daughter was in it up to her eyeballs by your own admission. You, yourself, are in denial about the role your daughter played in the confrontation.
The school acted justly. Case closed.:wah:
The school acted justly. Case closed.:wah:
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
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I completely agree.
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
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Jives wrote: LOL! I knew there was a history. Your daughter was in it up to her eyeballs by your own admission. You, yourself, are in denial about the role your daughter played in the confrontation.
The school acted justly. Case closed.:wah:
I did say in the first post that "they did know each other".. 2 were sisters and the older of the sisters and my daugther went to school together since junior high.. matter of fact these kids out here are in small enough classes they all know each other to some degree, maybe not all best friends but they know each other by sight by name and by classes with each other..
So what's your point.. that being friends with someone gives them the right
to beat the crap out of you if you are not willing to cave into their bully tactics. That if you try and be friends with someone who is out of control and you don't agree with the things they are doing and are not willing to be part of it, they have the right to beat the crap out of you for not being a lemming to their whims. That if you are friends with someone who comes from a home with little to no parental supervison and not taught respect for anyone or anything and if you do not
become like they are, they have the right to beat the crap out of you for it...
If that's the case well then I guess the next thing to teach our kids is do not trust anyone, do not befriend anyone, do not be kind to anyone and think of everyone outside of your family as a potential enemy and threat...
Let me guess.. you're the kind of wild 'n crazy guy that also thinks ALL women that are raped .. asked for it ! Which is OK, that means then all young boys that are sexually assaulted by other males asked for it too and had coming what they deserved. boy wouldn't NAMBLA love that to be the status quo of accepted
defense for male pedophiles. The ACLU is already lobbying for their cause so why not... kids have no rights to be kids and be safe and protected.. their out there to be the willing prey for anyone that wants to use and abuse them just like females.
If that type of Political Correctness is the world people want to live in.. I hope they enjoy what the reap after sowing the seeds of what they are doing..
Nice chatting with you gents.. but I have a sale to close and work pays the mortgate and the bills.
The school acted justly. Case closed.:wah:
I did say in the first post that "they did know each other".. 2 were sisters and the older of the sisters and my daugther went to school together since junior high.. matter of fact these kids out here are in small enough classes they all know each other to some degree, maybe not all best friends but they know each other by sight by name and by classes with each other..
So what's your point.. that being friends with someone gives them the right
to beat the crap out of you if you are not willing to cave into their bully tactics. That if you try and be friends with someone who is out of control and you don't agree with the things they are doing and are not willing to be part of it, they have the right to beat the crap out of you for not being a lemming to their whims. That if you are friends with someone who comes from a home with little to no parental supervison and not taught respect for anyone or anything and if you do not
become like they are, they have the right to beat the crap out of you for it...
If that's the case well then I guess the next thing to teach our kids is do not trust anyone, do not befriend anyone, do not be kind to anyone and think of everyone outside of your family as a potential enemy and threat...
Let me guess.. you're the kind of wild 'n crazy guy that also thinks ALL women that are raped .. asked for it ! Which is OK, that means then all young boys that are sexually assaulted by other males asked for it too and had coming what they deserved. boy wouldn't NAMBLA love that to be the status quo of accepted
defense for male pedophiles. The ACLU is already lobbying for their cause so why not... kids have no rights to be kids and be safe and protected.. their out there to be the willing prey for anyone that wants to use and abuse them just like females.
If that type of Political Correctness is the world people want to live in.. I hope they enjoy what the reap after sowing the seeds of what they are doing..
Nice chatting with you gents.. but I have a sale to close and work pays the mortgate and the bills.
The difference between Congress as envisoned by the Founding Fathers and the Congress we have today is one of them inspires patriots to support it, and the other inspires patriots to buy extra ammo (Angel Shamaya)
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There has been so much lately about young people on the streets causing trouble. The media portrays them as the scum. but these kids don't care. They're intelligent enough to know that they are ruled by the establishment and that the establishment does not care about them. They have nothing to look forward to but servitude to greedy employers. They know that there is a better way that societies could exist other than lining the pockets of those that are already filthy rich. Every time they break the law, they know that they will get off lightly, or at worse, serve a sentence alongside their peers. Every time they break the law, they are sending out an important message about society. That message is a sad reflection on society. One or two may break from the group and knuckle under. These are the ones who have given in to the pressure of society. They are no-hopers. The rest will end up doing time, falling in the gutter, and the best of them will become involved in organised crime. These youngsters have no money, no hope. They see a world where the ones that make it are those that are tough, strong, and impervious to human feeling.
Xxena, your daughter was horribly beaten up. But it would probably have done her more harm than good to prefer charges against her attackers because her attackers would have won in their own world and this fact would have been conveyed to your daughter in a way that would have unbearable consequences for your daughter.
This is why we have got to start standing up for ourselves in a different way. We need to find a solution where these hopeless individuals, our future generations, can find peace of mind without having to hurt others to bring attention to themselves.
I suspect that I will be treading on a lot of toes by saying this. But that's why my username is OpenMind, because I can see other angles.
Xxena, your daughter was horribly beaten up. But it would probably have done her more harm than good to prefer charges against her attackers because her attackers would have won in their own world and this fact would have been conveyed to your daughter in a way that would have unbearable consequences for your daughter.
This is why we have got to start standing up for ourselves in a different way. We need to find a solution where these hopeless individuals, our future generations, can find peace of mind without having to hurt others to bring attention to themselves.
I suspect that I will be treading on a lot of toes by saying this. But that's why my username is OpenMind, because I can see other angles.
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Quite true OM... with so much bad always at the forefront its hard to find the good things and good kids that are out there ! But they are and there are quite a lot of them being productive humans and looking and working towards a positive future for not only themselves but others as well. I think a lot of the fault lies with this "immediate gratification" culture we all live in now. One of the biggest arguments I have with my youngest is she is so much a creature of the times and one of her biggest faults is her demand for immediate gratification regardless of what it is. LIttle children really have no concept of time.. around school age and up to adulthood once they grasp the time concept they have to learn patience. I see so many young people my daugther's age in their early 20's and younger and older that just cannot fanthom working for something or waiting to attain it via work and saving... we are bombarded with so much of this NOW NOW NOW... gotta have this gotta have that and its NOW NOW NOW... any other concept is foreign to them.. When it does not magically appear or happen immediately they act like a bunch of temper tantrum throwing 2 year olds, unfortunately the older ones often act out violently with serious repurcussions on everyone around them, including themselves. There is a big lack of situations for these kids to work towards goals that give them positve reinforcement, character building and self esteem that affords them to move forward positively to be productive citizens of the world.
I raised mine the way I was by my grandmother.. that old fashioned boring way.. you are given goals to achieve and you must learn to work towards them for the reward you desire. AS any kid or young adult I was not thrilled having to do it.. but down the road it made perfect sense and I was glad for the learning experience.
The younger one is like so many torn between the ethics and morals of the house she was raised in and thinking she must fit in with a peer group her age.. sooner or later she'll grow up and wake up.. as long as she stays in college and works part time and pays her bills... she'll get there eventually when the light goes on and it makes sense to her like it does to others of us at sometime.
As far as society as a whole, you're seeing the backlash effect of what we've been talking about... you can't have it both ways 100% of the time, something has to give and give in.. in this case it tends to be common sense and ethics.
I raised mine the way I was by my grandmother.. that old fashioned boring way.. you are given goals to achieve and you must learn to work towards them for the reward you desire. AS any kid or young adult I was not thrilled having to do it.. but down the road it made perfect sense and I was glad for the learning experience.
The younger one is like so many torn between the ethics and morals of the house she was raised in and thinking she must fit in with a peer group her age.. sooner or later she'll grow up and wake up.. as long as she stays in college and works part time and pays her bills... she'll get there eventually when the light goes on and it makes sense to her like it does to others of us at sometime.
As far as society as a whole, you're seeing the backlash effect of what we've been talking about... you can't have it both ways 100% of the time, something has to give and give in.. in this case it tends to be common sense and ethics.
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Well said Xxena. This is clearly something you've given a lot of thought to.
I was also (I hope I inferred this correctly) raised by my grandparents and entered the working world in 1971. I loved the 'peace and love' thing at the time and believed in it. I still do. But it was pushed aside. First it was freedom of expression that was adulterated with selfish anger. Then it was the money grabbing and power building books. Now it seems like a kind of numb chaos.
I don't have kids of my own, but I love them just the same. When I am at work these days, when I come across new trainees and apprentices, they have no passion for learning the skills as I did when I started out. All they want is a chance for a lucky break to break out of the monotonous cycle of working life.
In a way, though, I don't blame them. Unlike their grandparents, there is no such thing as a 'job for life'. They have no guarantee of job security. They are not happy there. They have been fed images of a technology they could have if they only had the means to acquire it. They are not taught how to plan their lives and achieve their dreams. They are faced with a workforce whittled down to a core few that can be counted on the fingers of one hand. The rest of the workforce is made up of sub-contractors the majority of whom, these days, were made redundant several years ago and are not happy with making an earning as subbies and not knowing if they have a job next week or not.
For my part, I have been a subby for a long time, and it suits me. But the economical change has stopped my rates from rising. But, I take every opportunity to discuss personal freedom and opportunity with anyone who is willing to listen. It's the least I can do. I get on well with the youngsters because I'm not a grumpy old sod (who would believe that one, eh) and I try to coax their brains a little.
Who knows, with perserverance, things may yet change for the better. There again, I've always been accused of being a bit of a dreamer. But it's nice to see someone walk away with a positive look in their eyes.
I was also (I hope I inferred this correctly) raised by my grandparents and entered the working world in 1971. I loved the 'peace and love' thing at the time and believed in it. I still do. But it was pushed aside. First it was freedom of expression that was adulterated with selfish anger. Then it was the money grabbing and power building books. Now it seems like a kind of numb chaos.
I don't have kids of my own, but I love them just the same. When I am at work these days, when I come across new trainees and apprentices, they have no passion for learning the skills as I did when I started out. All they want is a chance for a lucky break to break out of the monotonous cycle of working life.
In a way, though, I don't blame them. Unlike their grandparents, there is no such thing as a 'job for life'. They have no guarantee of job security. They are not happy there. They have been fed images of a technology they could have if they only had the means to acquire it. They are not taught how to plan their lives and achieve their dreams. They are faced with a workforce whittled down to a core few that can be counted on the fingers of one hand. The rest of the workforce is made up of sub-contractors the majority of whom, these days, were made redundant several years ago and are not happy with making an earning as subbies and not knowing if they have a job next week or not.
For my part, I have been a subby for a long time, and it suits me. But the economical change has stopped my rates from rising. But, I take every opportunity to discuss personal freedom and opportunity with anyone who is willing to listen. It's the least I can do. I get on well with the youngsters because I'm not a grumpy old sod (who would believe that one, eh) and I try to coax their brains a little.
Who knows, with perserverance, things may yet change for the better. There again, I've always been accused of being a bit of a dreamer. But it's nice to see someone walk away with a positive look in their eyes.
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Ever notice how Corporate America/World and Political Correctness run hand in hand and how closely they are tied to each other.. then look at what we've been discussing, especially your last post. There is a very deep rooted basis for what we are talking about such as no job security, no planning for the future, this live for today and immediate gratification mentality and the list goes on and on and it all points back directly to the CA, PA senario that is embedded in people from as early back as grammer school.
Try sitting and watching TV one evening for say 3 -4 hours, or more if you do that much in an evening.. and keep a note pad/pen handy and make a tick mark for every time a commerical comes on for some type of medicine, from asprin to all the new wonder drugs for depression, anxiety, sexual diseases, sexual dysfunction etc etc.. do this for a few days and then sit and think about the subliminal messages that people and especially kids and teens are being bombarded with on a daily basis and how that works in their psyche over an extended period of time. Its an interesting exercise and a good window into the world that is being created for us and those behind us by CA and PA..
We are living the science fiction of our youth at this point in time !
Try sitting and watching TV one evening for say 3 -4 hours, or more if you do that much in an evening.. and keep a note pad/pen handy and make a tick mark for every time a commerical comes on for some type of medicine, from asprin to all the new wonder drugs for depression, anxiety, sexual diseases, sexual dysfunction etc etc.. do this for a few days and then sit and think about the subliminal messages that people and especially kids and teens are being bombarded with on a daily basis and how that works in their psyche over an extended period of time. Its an interesting exercise and a good window into the world that is being created for us and those behind us by CA and PA..
We are living the science fiction of our youth at this point in time !
The difference between Congress as envisoned by the Founding Fathers and the Congress we have today is one of them inspires patriots to support it, and the other inspires patriots to buy extra ammo (Angel Shamaya)