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Ted wrote: Clint

I am sorry that you feel the way you do. You claim for yourself the right to state your opinions. That is the same right that I claim and I usually back them up with academic research thus I post a full footnote or the name of an author and his book. I do not believe that I begin every post with my eduction, however the intnention is onlyh to show the same point as any academic footnote would show.

You dislike my using the term "midrashic". It sure as hell beats me having to define it all the time in a lengthy paragraph or two just to make the point. You object to my using the term 'Christian Pluralist' ???. Perhaps I should call myself a delusional psychotic?? You don't like the fact that I say that Christianity isn't exlusive, well pardon me but as most modern theologians see it that is exactly correct. I do not believe it is exclusive and I have offered Biblical support for that position. Perhaps you should refute the quotations offered rather then attack me.



I deal in facts based on academic research by very well known and respectecd scholars. If you don't like that, I'm sorry but that is how a debate or discussion goes.

Your statement about ' those who adamantly oppose fundamentalism" led to my comment about non-christian. I was reading between the lines. It I was in error I do apologize. However, was was raised in an excxeedingly fundamentalist church and anyone who was ot of that particular flavour of Christianity was in fact not a Christian. I know for a fact that this attitutde holds in many fundamentalist groups.

I have never said that fundamentalists were uneducated. In fact I know of several who are well educatied.

You say you come here for conversation. Obviously you want only conversation that soothes your own position. I offer conversation but instead of discussing my position it becomes ad homonim.

I am truly sorry if I offend you because that is not my intent. That being said I will continue to offer what I have learned.

Micah 6:8 "He has told you, O mortal, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?" That is obviously a quote from the sacred scriptures and that is what I try to practise in all of my life.

Matt 22:36ff "He said to him "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your sould, and with all your mind. This is the greatest and first commandment And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbour as yourself. On these two commandments HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS."

A humble servant of my Lord, the Risen Christ.

Shalom

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Fair enough Ted.

Ted, I said that you have a right believe what you believe and express it any way you want to. I simply gave you my view of your method of expression

I certainly have no problem with your practice of backing up your claims with academic research. I just don’t give them status as final authority the way you seem to.

Your use of the term “midrashic” is your prerogative. If you want to wear it out, that’s your business now. I’ve let you know how I see it.

“Delusional psychotic”…mmmm… I don’t think you need to go that far. :wah:

I agree with you that “Christianity isn’t exclusive” and I think most Christians including most of the ones you point it out to agree with you also. You just assume (from your past I imagine) that we see it as exclusive. I’m just saying that I think you should give it a break. I think you are preaching to the choir.

I was afraid I would come across as attacking you. I really just wanted this dialogue. I apologize if you felt attacked.

Academic research doesn’t produce all facts. Academic research produces some facts but it is mostly produces theories. My argument with you is that we can all find an academic that agrees with us. I don’t regurgitate what academics say, because if you wanted to know what they said you would get their book and read it. I’m really interested in what Ted has to say. You have every right to quote academics. I just let you know how I see it.

I consider myself to be a fundamentalist but not the way you define it. I think this is where you might have me label myself a delusional psychotic. There are some “fundamentalists” that I simply can’t relate to. They are way over the top as far as I’m concerned. They are, however, loved by God and covered by the blood of the Risen Christ.

You may not have said fundamentalists were uneducated but you have clearly implied it in my view.

As I told Koan in an earlier post. I appreciate that she broadens the spectrum and ads depth even though we don’t agree very often. She makes me think. I’m not looking for “soothing” conversation at all even though it nice from time to time. And I understand your point about things becoming ad homonym. I don’t think that a conversional format necessarily takes us down that road. I think you are debating people who want to have a discussion.

I don’t know that I’m offended. I responded out of frustration. By all means Ted, please continue to offer what you have learned (not that you need my permission).

I am sorry if I have offended you. My intent was to confront.

It is good to see you quoting God’s word. :D

Proverbs 27:17 Iron sharpens iron, So one man sharpens another.



Shalom
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Clint :-6 :-6

Thanks for the response.

Perhaps I'm a little psychotic, who knows. LOL

Shalom

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Far Rider :-6

Thanks for clearing up some of my questions.

First of all the creation story in the OT of which there are two stories that are different are pure myth The word myth has a particular meaning in theology. Basically it is a story created to tell a truth. This particular part to be fruitful and multiply is one of the "sins of the scriptures. Man has taken it literally and now we are in a severe crises that may actually mean the end of the human race.

Paul on the road to Damascus had a profound mystical experience in which he experiended the Risen Lord.

As far as the witch burners and any of the other atrocities committed in the name of God you are indeed judging from a 21st Cent viewpoint. It takes a great deal of research to understand what happened ie the crusades, the worship of reliques, the inquisition, the witch burnings. Without this research your judgment is meaningless.

The Bible is for Christians the "Word of God" not by virtue of it authorship but by virtue of the fact that God speaks to us through the Bible. It is a book composed of myth, legend, folk tale, poetry, short story, fiction, theology, philosophy and contains some kernels of history spread throughout. It is primarily a religious book and is not nor was intended to be a history or science book. Once we understand that it becomes a far more powerfulbook then it ever was when seen as literal history.

Shalom

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Far Rider :-6

I am sincerely sorry that your decision is to leave. It is through debate and discussion that we learn as we try to understand each other and come to grips with the reality of our world. There is no danger in sharing of ideas.

So be it.

A humble servant of my Lord, the Risen Christ.

Shalom

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jackie wrote: But isn't it a common Christian belief, that God plans everything?




I've had the same question from time to time, & nobody's been able to answer it to my satisfaction, because we're supposed to have free will. How can God have a viable plan and still allow complete free will?

The two ideas can't mesh in my mind (at least not now) so I choose to reject the plan. I'd rather have free will.
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posted by accountable

I've had teh same question from time to time, & nobody's been able to answer it to my satisfaction, because we're supposed to have free will. How can God have a viable plan and still allow complete free will?

The two ideas can't mesh in my mind (at least not now) so I choose to reject the plan. I'd rather have free will.


Best answer I ever got came from a devout catholic, you have free will, but god knows what your decision is going to be before you make it. While you are being offered guidance it is your decision to make as you choose but god knows which way you will go. So all the wrong in the world is the result of free will, god knows it is happening but won't interfere because all have free will. He has a plan but no one knows what it is. This stuff can do your head in, You can't have a rational debate about faith because it is not rational-you either believe or you don't.

The bible is a bit like the Hitch Hikers Guide to the Universe except instead of having DON'T PANIC on the cover it should be CONFUSED? YOU WILL BE.

42 is also one of the best answers to meaning of life. the universe and everything.

This has nothing to do with GOD-if he exists. As a rough rule of thumb if someone says he can lead you to god they probably can't. If someone says they know what god wants run away. What is wrong is too many people seem to need to have someone to tell them what to think and don't question what they are told.
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gmc wrote: What is wrong is too many people seem to need to have someone to tell them what to think and don't question what they are told.


Sort of meshes with why I have such fun watching some people (one is my very best friend) get all bent out of shape about the evolution/creationism debate. I won't get off this question: What difference could it possibly make whether it's one, the other, some combination of both, or something else entirely? We're here. We got here somehow. We'll move on the same way. We don't even have to figure out what's next, if we don't want to.
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gmc

Excellent post.

Shalom

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gmc



Good post.

Shalom

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Those who take up the sword,also shall he die by the sword. Read that somewhere:thinking:
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