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magentaflame;1512969 wrote: Must be a terrible thought to help your fellow man out. Shocking stuff. Giving the dustman the same eorth and status as a doctor....my god, what will become of us


Help your fellow man? Socialism keeps people down. Conservatism helps people pick themselves up and prosper.

Why would that be funny? Fundamentalists actually believe what they preach. It means that they are actually truthful about their beliefs.


Was Jesus a conservative when he fed the 5,000 ?

xfrodobagginsx;1513012 wrote: Help your fellow man? Socialism keeps people down. Conservatism helps people pick themselves up and prosper.


Yeah youre right! What was i thinking? Lets help the corrupt company ADANI and all their rich friends rape my country and deplete and poison our only water stores. Im sure it will benefit us to lift ourselves up and prosper after the catastrophe.

All because some consersative believes they are better than the rest and show their greed by pulling in people like you to do their work and propaganda

xfrodobagginsx;1513012 wrote: Help your fellow man? Socialism keeps people down. Conservatism helps people pick themselves up and prosper.


And you do realise there are only so much food and so many jobs in the world and laws enacted by your conservative friends to stop....literally ban people from looking after themselves and help themselves? From law to town planners, councils and governments stopping people from living a natural law abiding meaningful life.

magentaflame;1513022 wrote: And you do realise there are only so much food and so many jobs in the world and laws enacted by your conservative friends to stop....literally ban people from looking after themselves and help themselves? From law to town planners, councils and governments stopping people from living a natural law abiding meaningful life.


You mean giving free food to those who are capable of working but refuse to? Yes we believe in helping those who actually need it. Conservatives are happy to help people who actually need it.

Well..... speak up. Who are these people who "refuse" to work?

And....work for whom? And is it a living wage they will earn?

xfrodobagginsx;1513012 wrote: Help your fellow man? Socialism keeps people down. Conservatism helps people pick themselves up and prosper.So prospering is the meaning of life? Not prayer and worshiping of God? Is prospering what will go on in heaven?

magentaflame;1513035 wrote: Well..... speak up. Who are these people who "refuse" to work?Trying to walk one to face their racism or bigotry of any kind is a daunting task. Especially since they don't know it's there to begin with and go throughout daily life working to deny it at every turn.

Uuummm?... everyone?...help me out here...

Did that post above this one make any sense to anybody?

Why bristle at me? I haven't critiqued your posts.

Perhaps a decoder? I think they're available on ebay and amazon.

Oh i get it..... i read it wrong. Sorry i thought you were bristling up at me. Hence why i didnt think it made sense

Trump is doing a great job. Too bad they won't leave him alone.

xfrodobagginsx;1513152 wrote: Trump is doing a great job. Too bad they won't leave him alone.


He is doing a great job at self-promotion and publicity seeking. His performance as president, however, is pretty pitiful.

Wandrin;1513169 wrote: He is doing a great job at self-promotion and publicity seeking. His performance as president, however, is pretty pitiful.


He's doing lots of good. His actions are that of a very Conservative President.

Well he's achieved nothing so far. Wall unbuilt, Obamacare unrepealed - and this with BOTH Houses and White House all Republican. He's regarded as dangerous buffoon who gropes women by the rest of the world. If he's doing any good I'm not seeing it - unless you think making the US an international laughing stock is good.

Unprecedented levels of natural disaster hitting the US these days - hurricanes, forest fires north and south and you can add Houston to new Orleans and new York as hammered. I'd say climate change is playing a part. What does the President do? Encourage carbon emissions.

So diplomacy will continue until the first bomb drops?

They are going to do it regardless then?

Clodhopper;1513343 wrote: Well he's achieved nothing so far. Wall unbuilt, Obamacare unrepealed - and this with BOTH Houses and White House all Republican. He's regarded as dangerous buffoon who gropes women by the rest of the world. If he's doing any good I'm not seeing it - unless you think making the US an international laughing stock is good.

Unprecedented levels of natural disaster hitting the US these days - hurricanes, forest fires north and south and you can add Houston to new Orleans and new York as hammered. I'd say climate change is playing a part. What does the President do? Encourage carbon emissions.


He's trying his best. It's the RINOS that are stopping him. I don't blame Trump for that. He appointed a great SCJ, appointed lots of Pro life people to his cabinet, signed executive orders cutting regulations, allowed the Alaskan Pipeline and expanded drilling, pulled us out of the Paris accord and other things. He is trying to cut taxes on everyone.

xfrodobagginsx;1513386 wrote: He's trying his best. It's the RINOS that are stopping him. I don't blame Trump for that. He appointed a great SCJ, appointed lots of Pro life people to his cabinet, signed executive orders cutting regulations, allowed the Alaskan Pipeline and expanded drilling, pulled us out of the Paris accord and other things. He is trying to cut taxes on everyone.


Really love that kool-aid, do yah?

To be fair, he is right on everything except the tax issue. Taxes being an issue I wouldn't expect a dependent to understand. The questions though are, were those decisions smart decisions.

As for tax cutting - you just can't increase the military budget tenfold and cut taxes unless you continue to run up the national debt. Something republicans believe to be smart money management. Usually not with their own money, mind you, only other people's. Tax revenue, it seems, is nobody's money in the eyes of politicians.

Ahso!;1513413 wrote: To be fair, he is right on everything except the tax issue. Taxes being an issue I wouldn't expect a dependent to understand. The questions though are, were those decisions smart decisions.

As for tax cutting - you just can't increase the military budget tenfold and cut taxes unless you continue to run up the national debt. Something republicans believe to be smart money management. Usually not with their own money, mind you, only other people's. Tax revenue, it seems, is nobody's money in the eyes of politicians.


You can if you find the ideal % of taxes that maximizes revenue. It's not always the high number.

LarsMac;1513390 wrote: Really love that kool-aid, do yah?


:wah:

Thats very wrong Lars!

:wah: effing funny though

xfrodobagginsx;1513433 wrote: You can if you find the ideal % of taxes that maximizes revenue. It's not always the high number.


What does this mean? Would you mind elucidating?

ETA: In your own words please - no videos or links.

The main man's latest gem of wisdom..............................

HERE

He takes two unrelated news items to prove he is a freaking idiot.......my apologies America.......you voted for the dumb ass.

Bruv;1513466 wrote: The main man's latest gem of wisdom..............................

HERE

He takes two unrelated news items to prove he is a freaking idiot.......my apologies America.......you voted for the dumb ass.


Only 26% of us voted for him. But, thanks to a lazy, and ignorant electorate, that proved to be quite enough.

LarsMac;1513469 wrote: Only 26% of us voted for him. But, thanks to a lazy, and ignorant electorate, that proved to be quite enough.That pretty much describes gun owning christians perfectly. They're the ones who put him there. The rest of them voted for Clinton. Idiots, both!

Ahso!;1513485 wrote: That pretty much describes gun owning christians perfectly. They're the ones who put him there. The rest of them voted for Clinton. Idiots, both!


Actually, the People spoke. Nearly half the electorate simply refused to vote.

LarsMac;1513486 wrote: Actually, the People spoke. Nearly half the electorate simply refused to vote.Yes, you're correct. That would be those gun owning christians who don't like paying taxes. I forgot about that segment.

I follow Bernie Sanders on Twitter too, I would have voted for him.

Apparently the Estate Tax benefits only 0.2 % of the population, those with over $ 11 million............but it is being sold as a death tax.....so everybody would think it was for them.

Bruv;1513504 wrote: I follow Bernie Sanders on Twitter too, I would have voted for him.

Apparently the Estate Tax benefits only 0.2 % of the population, those with over $ 11 million............but it is being sold as a death tax.....so everybody would think it was for them.


It's all about marketing in the US. Phrasing is so important.

Ahso!;1513505 wrote: It's all about marketing in the US. Phrasing is so important.


You would think todays population would be too sophisticated to swallow the (what you Americans call) BS.

Not aimed at you lot, we swallow the same stuff over here daily.

Ahso!;1513464 wrote: What does this mean? Would you mind elucidating?

ETA: In your own words please - no videos or links.


I mean that many times tax revenue goes UP when taxes are LOWER. That horrible excuse for a President, Obama even admitted it, but would raise them anyway. This is the epitome of Liberal thinking right here:

xfrodobagginsx;1513565 wrote: I mean that many times tax revenue goes UP when taxes are LOWER.Okay! Now explain to me how that can happen.

xfrodobagginsx;1513565 wrote: That horrible excuse for a President, Obama even admitted it, but would raise them anyway. Boo-Hoo!

xfrodobagginsx;1513565 wrote: This is the epitome of Liberal thinking right here:

won't be following you down any rabbit holes. Grow up!

To be fair to Bilbo the lower rate raising more income argument is one our party in power use over here, when they want to ease their old school pals taxes.

I can see how it could work in that more would be willing to pay without paying tax specialists to avoid/evade tax.

The trick would be to spread the tax requirement fairly regardless.

Bruv;1513603 wrote: To be fair to Bilbo the lower rate raising more income argument is one our party in power use over here, when they want to ease their old school pals taxes.

I can see how it could work in that more would be willing to pay without paying tax specialists to avoid/evade tax.

The trick would be to spread the tax requirement fairly regardless.


Reaganites tried that back in the eighties, and it has been argued by the Right many times.

Now, were they to put some sort of arrangement in place where corporations could request a tax relief by showing how they had taken real corporate income and spent it on employee training, and hiring, and wage increases, and possible other "spread the wealth" kind of programs, there might be some promise there.

Ahso!;1513597 wrote: Okay! Now explain to me how that can happen.

Boo-Hoo!

I won't be following you down any rabbit holes. Grow up!


You don't like facts do you?

xfrodobagginsx;1513622 wrote: You don't like facts do you?


You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on the nose.

LarsMac;1513627 wrote: You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on the nose.


You wouldn't admit a fact you disagree with is real if it bit YOU in the nose.

xfrodobagginsx;1513649 wrote: You wouldn't admit a fact you disagree with is real if it bit YOU in the nose.


I generally don't disagree with facts.

xfrodobagginsx;1513622 wrote: You don't like facts do you?Which means you can't explain any of it. Exactly what I thought. I'd be surprised if you were older than, say, 17 years of age. if you are older your education has failed you miserably and I feel very sorry for you.

xfrodobagginsx;1513649 wrote: You wouldn't admit a fact you disagree with is real if it bit YOU in the nose.What you don't appear to understand is that agreeing or disagreeing with factual information is inconsequential. Facts don't change based on your belief in them. You're confusing faith with fact, which is what religious or spiritual people do consistently and why their posts often equivocate to an annoying degree. FG has got some truly masterful equivocators, though they don't know who they are. Cult indoctrination, which includes religion, spirituality, as well as nationalism, does this.

xfrodobagginsx;1513649 wrote: You wouldn't admit a fact you disagree with is real if it bit YOU in the nose.


Speaking of facts,

What was the point at which industry influence got the upper hand over science in the federal government?

Idea that came up with friends in the pub over a meal this evening: To what extent are the Senate and Congress starting to work together without the Presidency? And separately, to what extent is the US state machine operating while just ignoring the Presidency wherever possible? (and because the President spends a lot of time on the golf course they can get away with it...)

edit: so as not to be anti-US I'll add our brexit minister spends a lot of time in a bottle and not much in the office so I'm claiming no superiority.

LarsMac;1513676 wrote: Speaking of facts,

What was the point at which industry influence got the upper hand over science in the federal government?
qQ

How much money do you have? How much money does Trump have? He's a Billionaire. He is a genius. His IQ is at least in the mid 150s. He's a great choice for President.

xfrodobagginsx;1513697 wrote: qQ

How much money do you have? How much money does Trump have? He's a Billionaire. He is a genius. His IQ is at least in the mid 150s. He's a great choice for President.


You measure intelligence by how much money someone has?

OK then. How much money do you have?

xfrodobagginsx;1513697 wrote: qQ

How much money do you have? How much money does Trump have? He's a Billionaire. He is a genius. His IQ is at least in the mid 150s. He's a great choice for President.


He is a self serving billionaire, with delusions of grandeur and paranoiac tendencies, who's money was inherited........bankrupt several times (I believe).........not even a great choice for the president of the golf club.

One for Bilbo......................................



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Bruv;1513712 wrote: One for Bilbo......................................



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AnneBoleyn;1513714 wrote: I signed.


A vote for Mike Pence? Big time mistake. At least with Trump, there will be little progress on anything significant. Pence, OTOH is Reagan without dementia. Pence would actually unite the gop.

LarsMac;1513705 wrote: You measure intelligence by how much money someone has?

OK then. How much money do you have?


It's a part of it, yes. The man has amassed 4.3 BILLION dollars, through Real Estate and other venues. You can't do that unless you are a genius. The man's IQ has been measured to be at least 153 or higher.

Bruv;1513712 wrote: One for Bilbo......................................



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I like Frodo better....