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Why on earth do they employ professional investigators when they could save tons of money handing it over to any of the online forums.:-5
Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental.
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FourPart;1470038 wrote: Except that:
1. Computer records can't be wiped clean. Only the start & end flags are removed. These can be replaced & the data recovered.
2. If it were a suicide run, why would he bother even trying to wipe the data?
1. Not quite. If you just say delete file or format drive then only the catalogue entry is cleared and the data is still there and, possibly, can be recovered. There are, however, utilities that will wipe the drive and make the data totally non-recoverable.
1. Computer records can't be wiped clean. Only the start & end flags are removed. These can be replaced & the data recovered.
2. If it were a suicide run, why would he bother even trying to wipe the data?
1. Not quite. If you just say delete file or format drive then only the catalogue entry is cleared and the data is still there and, possibly, can be recovered. There are, however, utilities that will wipe the drive and make the data totally non-recoverable.
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High Threshold;1470040 wrote: It's easy enough to verify.
OK, what is the exact quote and we'll verify it
OK, what is the exact quote and we'll verify it
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Bryn Mawr;1470081 wrote: OK, what is the exact quote and we'll verify it
I'm reminded of interminable frustrations with deliberately unhelpful posters years ago who refused to distinguish between valid verification - "see this and this and this for confirmation" and the blatantly aggravating "you want to know, you look it up, google is your friend, I'm not doing your work for you" to support a statement incapable of verification.
I'm reminded of interminable frustrations with deliberately unhelpful posters years ago who refused to distinguish between valid verification - "see this and this and this for confirmation" and the blatantly aggravating "you want to know, you look it up, google is your friend, I'm not doing your work for you" to support a statement incapable of verification.
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High Threshold;1469978 wrote: Why? I don't know. He does support his theory with interesting fact and to tell you the truth it seems much more plausible than the FuxNews version of the the pilot being Mulsim ....... and "that's all you need to know".
The muslim pilot angle was long long ago dismissed. This angle at least makes a credible basis for a good fiction best seller.
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Bryn Mawr;1470081 wrote: OK, what is the exact quote and we'll verify it
Are you balmy? What quote? Keep your finger on the page.
Are you balmy? What quote? Keep your finger on the page.
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FG;1470087 wrote: I'm reminded of interminable frustrations with deliberately unhelpful posters years ago who refused to distinguish between valid verification - "see this and this and this for confirmation" and the blatantly aggravating "you want to know, you look it up, google is your friend, I'm not doing your work for you" to support a statement incapable of verification.
Do you take your words "straight" or with salt and pepper?
Do you take your words "straight" or with salt and pepper?
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It is really pitiful when I have to scrape through the muck of digression to put people right, when they ought not to have sunk that deeply in the first place. It shouldn't be my responsibility. I didn't apply for the job.
I linked an article. I didn't write it. They are not my words. I didn't co-sign it. I didn't even report on it. It is an interesting article, I think, or I wouldn't have linked it in the first place. Good for some thought and to banter about. But no, the sharks immediately saw red and had no interest in kicking it about to see what it might be worth. Instead it was met with hard-nose, FLIMSY LOGIC against which I was willing to debate. So I made a reference to something Sherlock Holmes said, adding weight to the virtue of giving all theory the courtesy of consideration based on the merits of motivated speculation. Of course, the sharks are blood-thirsty, making insinuations that I misquoted the good Mr. Holmes. Never mind that I didn't quote him at all. What a silly digression, in apparent association with the initial rage (too strong a word?) against the article itself. Tsk-tsk! Such a lack of earnest dialogue.
The article makes some interesting points and supports them with facts and supposition. If it is unpopular to initiate discussion on events that affect all (or most) of us, then perhaps calling the Garden a “Forum is grossly misleading.
I linked an article. I didn't write it. They are not my words. I didn't co-sign it. I didn't even report on it. It is an interesting article, I think, or I wouldn't have linked it in the first place. Good for some thought and to banter about. But no, the sharks immediately saw red and had no interest in kicking it about to see what it might be worth. Instead it was met with hard-nose, FLIMSY LOGIC against which I was willing to debate. So I made a reference to something Sherlock Holmes said, adding weight to the virtue of giving all theory the courtesy of consideration based on the merits of motivated speculation. Of course, the sharks are blood-thirsty, making insinuations that I misquoted the good Mr. Holmes. Never mind that I didn't quote him at all. What a silly digression, in apparent association with the initial rage (too strong a word?) against the article itself. Tsk-tsk! Such a lack of earnest dialogue.
The article makes some interesting points and supports them with facts and supposition. If it is unpopular to initiate discussion on events that affect all (or most) of us, then perhaps calling the Garden a “Forum is grossly misleading.
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High Threshold;1470091 wrote: Are you balmy? What quote? Keep your finger on the page.
The quote you refer to in post #22 when you said :-
I agree. Sherlock Holmes said if your hypothesis fits all of the facts then you must be on to something.
I think it's your finger that's slipping - or your memory
The quote you refer to in post #22 when you said :-
I agree. Sherlock Holmes said if your hypothesis fits all of the facts then you must be on to something.
I think it's your finger that's slipping - or your memory
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Bryn Mawr;1470099 wrote: The quote you refer to in post #22 when you said :-
Is it really necessary for me to tell you what a "quote" is? I thought English was your language. Was I mistaken?
Is it really necessary for me to tell you what a "quote" is? I thought English was your language. Was I mistaken?
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High Threshold;1470097 wrote: It is really pitiful when I have to scrape through the muck of digression to put people right, when they ought not to have sunk that deeply in the first place. It shouldn't be my responsibility. I didn't apply for the job.
I linked an article. I didn't write it. They are not my words. I didn't co-sign it. I didn't even report on it. It is an interesting article, I think, or I wouldn't have linked it in the first place. Good for some thought and to banter about. But no, the sharks immediately saw red and had no interest in kicking it about to see what it might be worth. Instead it was met with hard-nose, FLIMSY LOGIC against which I was willing to debate. So I made a reference to something Sherlock Holmes said, adding weight to the virtue of giving all theory the courtesy of consideration based on the merits of motivated speculation. Of course, the sharks are blood-thirsty, making insinuations that I misquoted the good Mr. Holmes. Never mind that I didn't quote him at all. What a silly digression, in apparent association with the initial rage (too strong a word?) against the article itself. Tsk-tsk! Such a lack of earnest dialogue.
The article makes some interesting points and supports them with facts and supposition. If it is unpopular to initiate discussion on events that affect all (or most) of us, then perhaps calling the Garden a “Forum is grossly misleading.
Yet when I commented (in post #12) that the "facts" in the article were unsupported and did not supply a coherent and believable sequence of events you chose not to discuss it?
I linked an article. I didn't write it. They are not my words. I didn't co-sign it. I didn't even report on it. It is an interesting article, I think, or I wouldn't have linked it in the first place. Good for some thought and to banter about. But no, the sharks immediately saw red and had no interest in kicking it about to see what it might be worth. Instead it was met with hard-nose, FLIMSY LOGIC against which I was willing to debate. So I made a reference to something Sherlock Holmes said, adding weight to the virtue of giving all theory the courtesy of consideration based on the merits of motivated speculation. Of course, the sharks are blood-thirsty, making insinuations that I misquoted the good Mr. Holmes. Never mind that I didn't quote him at all. What a silly digression, in apparent association with the initial rage (too strong a word?) against the article itself. Tsk-tsk! Such a lack of earnest dialogue.
The article makes some interesting points and supports them with facts and supposition. If it is unpopular to initiate discussion on events that affect all (or most) of us, then perhaps calling the Garden a “Forum is grossly misleading.
Yet when I commented (in post #12) that the "facts" in the article were unsupported and did not supply a coherent and believable sequence of events you chose not to discuss it?
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High Threshold;1470100 wrote: Is it really necessary for me to tell you what a "quote" is? I thought English was your language. Was I mistaken?
Your statement that "Sherlock Holmes said ..." is a direct claim that there is a quote to back you up. Sherlock never said "if your hypothesis fits all of the facts then you must be on to something" or anything like it - it is a nonsense statement that defies all logic and would not fit with the character being portrayed. Your appeal to authority argument does not stand.
Your statement that "Sherlock Holmes said ..." is a direct claim that there is a quote to back you up. Sherlock never said "if your hypothesis fits all of the facts then you must be on to something" or anything like it - it is a nonsense statement that defies all logic and would not fit with the character being portrayed. Your appeal to authority argument does not stand.
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Bryn Mawr;1470101 wrote: Yet when I commented (in post #12) that the "facts" in the article were unsupported and did not supply a coherent and believable sequence of events you chose not to discuss it?
I've supplied the link. The author has motivated his theory in "black and white". Would you like for me to read it aloud for you? :wah:
I've supplied the link. The author has motivated his theory in "black and white". Would you like for me to read it aloud for you? :wah:
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Bryn Mawr;1470102 wrote: Your statement that "Sherlock Holmes said ..." is a direct claim that there is a quote to back you up. Sherlock never said "if your hypothesis fits all of the facts then you must be on to something" or anything like it - it is a nonsense statement that defies all logic and would not fit with the character being portrayed. Your appeal to authority argument does not stand.
You are being much too tedious now on a point that you cannot defend and which has no worth to the subject.
You are being much too tedious now on a point that you cannot defend and which has no worth to the subject.
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High Threshold;1470103 wrote: I've supplied the link. The author has motivated his theory in "black and white". Would you like for me to read it aloud for you? :wah:
I've read it, in some detail, and I've passed an opinion - would you like to comment on that opinion rather than trying to turn the discussion into a joke?
If you like I could even give you the detailed reasoning behind my comments if that would help you.
I've read it, in some detail, and I've passed an opinion - would you like to comment on that opinion rather than trying to turn the discussion into a joke?
If you like I could even give you the detailed reasoning behind my comments if that would help you.
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High Threshold;1470104 wrote: You are being much too tedious now on a point that you cannot defend and which has no worth to the subject.
It is for you to defend the accuracy of the claim you made and, if that claim has no worth to the subject, then why did you make it?
It is for you to defend the accuracy of the claim you made and, if that claim has no worth to the subject, then why did you make it?
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Bryn Mawr;1470108 wrote: It is for you to defend the accuracy of the claim you made and, if that claim has no worth to the subject, then why did you make it?
He is being tedious.
He is being tedious.
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High Threshold;1470097 wrote: It is really pitiful when I have to scrape through the muck of digression to put people right, when they ought not to have sunk that deeply in the first place. It shouldn't be my responsibility. I didn't apply for the job.
I linked an article. I didn't write it. They are not my words. I didn't co-sign it. I didn't even report on it. It is an interesting article, I think, or I wouldn't have linked it in the first place. Good for some thought and to banter about. But no, the sharks immediately saw red and had no interest in kicking it about to see what it might be worth. Instead it was met with hard-nose, FLIMSY LOGIC against which I was willing to debate. So I made a reference to something Sherlock Holmes said, adding weight to the virtue of giving all theory the courtesy of consideration based on the merits of motivated speculation. Of course, the sharks are blood-thirsty, making insinuations that I misquoted the good Mr. Holmes. Never mind that I didn't quote him at all. What a silly digression, in apparent association with the initial rage (too strong a word?) against the article itself. Tsk-tsk! Such a lack of earnest dialogue.
The article makes some interesting points and supports them with facts and supposition. If it is unpopular to initiate discussion on events that affect all (or most) of us, then perhaps calling the Garden a “Forum is grossly misleading.
True the article makes some interesting points, but I do not see all the facts you refer to. Only supposition and a lot of claims from the author about what people told him.
It is an interesting idea, and no doubt, we will soon see a book by this guy with just that sort of theme. He may be the next Tom Clancy. Who knows?
I linked an article. I didn't write it. They are not my words. I didn't co-sign it. I didn't even report on it. It is an interesting article, I think, or I wouldn't have linked it in the first place. Good for some thought and to banter about. But no, the sharks immediately saw red and had no interest in kicking it about to see what it might be worth. Instead it was met with hard-nose, FLIMSY LOGIC against which I was willing to debate. So I made a reference to something Sherlock Holmes said, adding weight to the virtue of giving all theory the courtesy of consideration based on the merits of motivated speculation. Of course, the sharks are blood-thirsty, making insinuations that I misquoted the good Mr. Holmes. Never mind that I didn't quote him at all. What a silly digression, in apparent association with the initial rage (too strong a word?) against the article itself. Tsk-tsk! Such a lack of earnest dialogue.
The article makes some interesting points and supports them with facts and supposition. If it is unpopular to initiate discussion on events that affect all (or most) of us, then perhaps calling the Garden a “Forum is grossly misleading.
True the article makes some interesting points, but I do not see all the facts you refer to. Only supposition and a lot of claims from the author about what people told him.
It is an interesting idea, and no doubt, we will soon see a book by this guy with just that sort of theme. He may be the next Tom Clancy. Who knows?
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Bryn Mawr;1470108 wrote: It is for you to defend the accuracy of the claim you made and, if that claim has no worth to the subject, then why did you make it?
You are being silly and you no longer know if you are contesting Sherlock Holmes, the relevancy of what he actually said, or whether or not I actually quoted him. I have made myself clear on Holmes. In additiion to that I have a terrible cold, my throat is in a bad state and I'm looking through only one eye as my left one is now swollen shut from an infection. I have no more patience for enduring red herring, distractive comment.
Bryn Mawr;1470107 wrote: If you like I could even give you the detailed reasoning behind my comments if that would help you.
If you can restrict yourself to commenting on the article, then yes, that would help.
You are being silly and you no longer know if you are contesting Sherlock Holmes, the relevancy of what he actually said, or whether or not I actually quoted him. I have made myself clear on Holmes. In additiion to that I have a terrible cold, my throat is in a bad state and I'm looking through only one eye as my left one is now swollen shut from an infection. I have no more patience for enduring red herring, distractive comment.
Bryn Mawr;1470107 wrote: If you like I could even give you the detailed reasoning behind my comments if that would help you.
If you can restrict yourself to commenting on the article, then yes, that would help.
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LarsMac;1470110 wrote: True the article makes some interesting points, but I do not see all the facts you refer to. Only supposition and a lot of claims from the author about what people told him.
It is an interesting idea, and no doubt, we will soon see a book by this guy with just that sort of theme. He may be the next Tom Clancy. Who knows?
Yes, we'll see.
It is an interesting idea, and no doubt, we will soon see a book by this guy with just that sort of theme. He may be the next Tom Clancy. Who knows?
Yes, we'll see.
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High Threshold;1470111 wrote: You are being silly and you no longer know if you are contesting Sherlock Holmes, the relevancy of what he actually said, or whether or not I actually quoted him. I have made myself clear on Holmes. In additiion to that I have a terrible cold, my throat is in a bad state and I'm looking through only one eye as my left one is now swollen shut from an infection. I have no more patience for enduring red herring, distractive comment.
If you can restrict yourself to commenting on the article, then yes, that would help.
1) If we accept that it is possible for an external hacker to take control of the autopilot of a Boeing 777 (and as it is a fly by wire aircraft that is not unreasonable) why did the pilot not report the fact. It is NOT reasonable to assume that an external hacker can disable the radio which is totally separate from the autopilot.
2) Unidentified "islanders" told him. Hearsay and not fact. It is also unreasonable to assume that they would tell him and nobody else - if they'd seen it then it would be public knowledge by now.
3) Further unidentified "islanders" told him they'd found fire extinguishers, again hearsay not fact. Evidence such as this should be supported by physical evidence - if they'd found items they knew came from the plane then they would certainly have kept them.
4) Sinister warnings from mysterious intelligence agents - a touch corny don't you think?
5) Russia at the very least has a very effective surveillance network, military aircraft being scrambled and civilian aircraft being shot down by missiles tend to be spotted rather quickly - as witnessed by the South Korean débâcle. Also, no amount of sinister warnings would put off the Russian and Chinese investigators.
6) The Australians reported signals from the 'plane's transponders several thousand miles from where Dugain claims the 'plane was shot down. He provides no explanation for these - are we to assume that the Aussies are in league with the US military?
If you can restrict yourself to commenting on the article, then yes, that would help.
1) If we accept that it is possible for an external hacker to take control of the autopilot of a Boeing 777 (and as it is a fly by wire aircraft that is not unreasonable) why did the pilot not report the fact. It is NOT reasonable to assume that an external hacker can disable the radio which is totally separate from the autopilot.
2) Unidentified "islanders" told him. Hearsay and not fact. It is also unreasonable to assume that they would tell him and nobody else - if they'd seen it then it would be public knowledge by now.
3) Further unidentified "islanders" told him they'd found fire extinguishers, again hearsay not fact. Evidence such as this should be supported by physical evidence - if they'd found items they knew came from the plane then they would certainly have kept them.
4) Sinister warnings from mysterious intelligence agents - a touch corny don't you think?
5) Russia at the very least has a very effective surveillance network, military aircraft being scrambled and civilian aircraft being shot down by missiles tend to be spotted rather quickly - as witnessed by the South Korean débâcle. Also, no amount of sinister warnings would put off the Russian and Chinese investigators.
6) The Australians reported signals from the 'plane's transponders several thousand miles from where Dugain claims the 'plane was shot down. He provides no explanation for these - are we to assume that the Aussies are in league with the US military?
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High Threshold;1470097 wrote: But no, the sharks immediately saw red and had no interest in kicking it about to see what it might be worth. Instead it was met with hard-nose, FLIMSY LOGIC against which I was willing to debate. So I made a reference to something Sherlock Holmes said, adding weight to the virtue of giving all theory the courtesy of consideration based on the merits of motivated speculation. Of course, the sharks are blood-thirsty, making insinuations that I misquoted the good Mr. Holmes. Never mind that I didn't quote him at all.
I am not a shark. I have no interest whatever in the opening post, I haven't commented on it and neither am I going to.
I joined the thread solely to point out that "Sherlock Holmes said if your hypothesis fits all of the facts then you must be on to something. isn't a quote, it isn't a misquote, it's contrary to the entire collected works of Sherlock Holmes from start to finish. It's a bogus sentence.
Nowhere in the works of Conan Doyle does anyone come close to suggesting that Sherlock Holmes ever said or thought such a notion. That's why I asked you to back it up with a reference. I note that you haven't. I go further, at this point, and tell you that you are mistaken in what you claimed. You say that you "made a reference to something Sherlock Holmes said". I dispute this and invite you to either demonstrate or retract without any more ado.
I am not a shark. I have no interest whatever in the opening post, I haven't commented on it and neither am I going to.
I joined the thread solely to point out that "Sherlock Holmes said if your hypothesis fits all of the facts then you must be on to something. isn't a quote, it isn't a misquote, it's contrary to the entire collected works of Sherlock Holmes from start to finish. It's a bogus sentence.
Nowhere in the works of Conan Doyle does anyone come close to suggesting that Sherlock Holmes ever said or thought such a notion. That's why I asked you to back it up with a reference. I note that you haven't. I go further, at this point, and tell you that you are mistaken in what you claimed. You say that you "made a reference to something Sherlock Holmes said". I dispute this and invite you to either demonstrate or retract without any more ado.
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Bryn Mawr;1470118 wrote: 1) If we accept that it is possible for an external hacker to take control of the autopilot of a Boeing 777 (and as it is a fly by wire aircraft that is not unreasonable) why did the pilot not report the fact. It is NOT reasonable to assume that an external hacker can disable the radio which is totally separate from the autopilot.
2) Unidentified "islanders" told him. Hearsay and not fact. It is also unreasonable to assume that they would tell him and nobody else - if they'd seen it then it would be public knowledge by now.
3) Further unidentified "islanders" told him they'd found fire extinguishers, again hearsay not fact. Evidence such as this should be supported by physical evidence - if they'd found items they knew came from the plane then they would certainly have kept them.
4) Sinister warnings from mysterious intelligence agents - a touch corny don't you think?
5) Russia at the very least has a very effective surveillance network, military aircraft being scrambled and civilian aircraft being shot down by missiles tend to be spotted rather quickly - as witnessed by the South Korean débâcle. Also, no amount of sinister warnings would put off the Russian and Chinese investigators.
6) The Australians reported signals from the 'plane's transponders several thousand miles from where Dugain claims the 'plane was shot down. He provides no explanation for these - are we to assume that the Aussies are in league with the US military?
True, he doesn't connect up the dots.
Eye-witnesses to sighting the plane and finding the fire extinguisher are excellent leads but it doesn't really put the plane down by U.S. military. And as you say nothing has been documented. He himself would certainly have done so ¦.. no?
It seems to me that he's taken a possible scenario and stretched it to put facts in proximity of one another but not really touching.
Actually, the one comment you make that I can certainly disagree with is whether or not the Aussies could/would be in league with the US military. I see no problem there.
2) Unidentified "islanders" told him. Hearsay and not fact. It is also unreasonable to assume that they would tell him and nobody else - if they'd seen it then it would be public knowledge by now.
3) Further unidentified "islanders" told him they'd found fire extinguishers, again hearsay not fact. Evidence such as this should be supported by physical evidence - if they'd found items they knew came from the plane then they would certainly have kept them.
4) Sinister warnings from mysterious intelligence agents - a touch corny don't you think?
5) Russia at the very least has a very effective surveillance network, military aircraft being scrambled and civilian aircraft being shot down by missiles tend to be spotted rather quickly - as witnessed by the South Korean débâcle. Also, no amount of sinister warnings would put off the Russian and Chinese investigators.
6) The Australians reported signals from the 'plane's transponders several thousand miles from where Dugain claims the 'plane was shot down. He provides no explanation for these - are we to assume that the Aussies are in league with the US military?
True, he doesn't connect up the dots.
Eye-witnesses to sighting the plane and finding the fire extinguisher are excellent leads but it doesn't really put the plane down by U.S. military. And as you say nothing has been documented. He himself would certainly have done so ¦.. no?
It seems to me that he's taken a possible scenario and stretched it to put facts in proximity of one another but not really touching.
Actually, the one comment you make that I can certainly disagree with is whether or not the Aussies could/would be in league with the US military. I see no problem there.
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High Threshold;1470123 wrote: True, he doesn't connect up the dots.
Eye-witnesses to sighting the plane and finding the fire extinguisher are excellent leads but it doesn't really put the plane down by U.S. military. And as you say nothing has been documented. He himself would certainly have done so ¦.. no?
It seems to me that he's taken a possible scenario and stretched it to put facts in proximity of one another but not really touching.
Actually, the one comment you make that I can certainly disagree with is whether or not the Aussies could/would be in league with the US military. I see no problem there.
The only trouble is that it's not just the Aussies, there are too many other countries and organisations that would have to be in on it.
That being said, all I can conclude is "case not proven".
Eye-witnesses to sighting the plane and finding the fire extinguisher are excellent leads but it doesn't really put the plane down by U.S. military. And as you say nothing has been documented. He himself would certainly have done so ¦.. no?
It seems to me that he's taken a possible scenario and stretched it to put facts in proximity of one another but not really touching.
Actually, the one comment you make that I can certainly disagree with is whether or not the Aussies could/would be in league with the US military. I see no problem there.
The only trouble is that it's not just the Aussies, there are too many other countries and organisations that would have to be in on it.
That being said, all I can conclude is "case not proven".
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FG;1470120 wrote: I am not a shark. I have no interest whatever in the opening post, I haven't commented on it and neither am I going to.
I joined the thread solely to point out that "Sherlock Holmes said if your hypothesis fits all of the facts then you must be on to something. isn't a quote, it isn't a misquote, it's contrary to the entire collected works of Sherlock Holmes from start to finish. It's a bogus sentence.
Nowhere in the works of Conan Doyle does anyone come close to suggesting that Sherlock Holmes ever said or thought such a notion. That's why I asked you to back it up with a reference. I note that you haven't. I go further, at this point, and tell you that you are mistaken in what you claimed. You say that you "made a reference to something Sherlock Holmes said". I dispute this and ask you to either demonstrate or retract without any more ado.
You have conveniently side-lined my comment to the relevance of what I said about the virtue of giving all theory the courtesy of consideration based on the merits of motivated speculation. I might have bothered to actually quote Holmes or paraphrase what he said on "however improbable" but I wasn't trying out for the part. I stand by what I said and see it as being in the same spirit of Holmes actual words, as it applies to the subject.
I joined the thread solely to point out that "Sherlock Holmes said if your hypothesis fits all of the facts then you must be on to something. isn't a quote, it isn't a misquote, it's contrary to the entire collected works of Sherlock Holmes from start to finish. It's a bogus sentence.
Nowhere in the works of Conan Doyle does anyone come close to suggesting that Sherlock Holmes ever said or thought such a notion. That's why I asked you to back it up with a reference. I note that you haven't. I go further, at this point, and tell you that you are mistaken in what you claimed. You say that you "made a reference to something Sherlock Holmes said". I dispute this and ask you to either demonstrate or retract without any more ado.
You have conveniently side-lined my comment to the relevance of what I said about the virtue of giving all theory the courtesy of consideration based on the merits of motivated speculation. I might have bothered to actually quote Holmes or paraphrase what he said on "however improbable" but I wasn't trying out for the part. I stand by what I said and see it as being in the same spirit of Holmes actual words, as it applies to the subject.
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Bryn Mawr;1470124 wrote: The only trouble is that it's not just the Aussies, there are too many other countries and organisations that would have to be in on it.
I was responding to your words alone.
I was responding to your words alone.
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It's Christmas. I see that HT is probably very much under the weather, so hardly at his sharpest, consequently would it be possible for you all to take a step back from the discussion and give it a few days break over the Christmas period ? Then return to the boxing ring for round 4, when a second wind may have been gained by all participants !
Peace and goodwill to all men.............. isn't that what was said ? Just keep your fingers in the place for a few days ? Hopefully everybody will return to good health and be reinvigorated ..................................
Peace and goodwill to all men.............. isn't that what was said ? Just keep your fingers in the place for a few days ? Hopefully everybody will return to good health and be reinvigorated ..................................
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Gillie, your knickers are wet.
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Actually, to be pedantic, Sherlock Holmes never said anything at all. He was a fictional character. Therefore the quote is that of Conan Doyle. However, the credo is sound that if you eliminate the impossible, then whatever remains, no matter how improbable must be true. The problem is that this statement is also flawed, as the nature of impossible & improbable can be in conflict. For example, my theory of the Alien Abduction, no matter how bizarre a notion, cannot be proved to be impossible, therefore it comes under the category of being improbable & therefore, once all the other impossibilities are eliminated, it must be true. The problem comes when we run out of impossilibilities & improbabilities because we have either overlooked them or that they are no longer to be found. It's a bit like "if a tree falls in the woods & there's no-one to hear it, does it make a sound. Of course we know that it had to have made a sound, but with no-one on hand to observe it there is no evidence to the fact.
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FourPart;1470133 wrote: Actually, to be pedantic, Sherlock Holmes never said anything at all. He was a fictional character. Therefore the quote is that of Conan Doyle. However, the credo is sound that if you eliminate the impossible, then whatever remains, no matter how improbable must be true. The problem is that this statement is also flawed, as the nature of impossible & improbable can be in conflict. For example, my theory of the Alien Abduction, no matter how bizarre a notion, cannot be proved to be impossible, therefore it comes under the category of being improbable & therefore, once all the other impossibilities are eliminated, it must be true. The problem comes when we run out of impossilibilities & improbabilities because we have either overlooked them or that they are no longer to be found. It's a bit like "if a tree falls in the woods & there's no-one to hear it, does it make a sound. Of course we know that it had to have made a sound, but with no-one on hand to observe it there is no evidence to the fact.
Pardon me ! :-2 :-3
Pardon me ! :-2 :-3
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AnneBoleyn;1470130 wrote: Gillie, your knickers are wet.
What knickers ?! :sneaky:
:p
What knickers ?! :sneaky:
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G#Gill;1470140 wrote: What knickers ?! :sneaky: :p
I've seen pictures of my Dad wearing such things.
Heard of not wanting to get them in a twist.
Never gave it much thought. Just seemed to be a New York City thing.
:pI've seen pictures of my Dad wearing such things.
Heard of not wanting to get them in a twist.
Never gave it much thought. Just seemed to be a New York City thing.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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G#Gill;1470140 wrote: What knickers ?! :sneaky: :p
The ones that sometimes get tied in a knot!!!!!!
:pThe ones that sometimes get tied in a knot!!!!!!
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FourPart;1470133 wrote: Actually, to be pedantic, Sherlock Holmes never said anything at all. He was a fictional character. Therefore the quote is that of Conan Doyle. However, the credo is sound that if you eliminate the impossible, then whatever remains, no matter how improbable must be true. The problem is that this statement is also flawed, as the nature of impossible & improbable can be in conflict. For example, my theory of the Alien Abduction, no matter how bizarre a notion, cannot be proved to be impossible, therefore it comes under the category of being improbable & therefore, once all the other impossibilities are eliminated, it must be true. The problem comes when we run out of impossilibilities & improbabilities because we have either overlooked them or that they are no longer to be found. It's a bit like "if a tree falls in the woods & there's no-one to hear it, does it make a sound. Of course we know that it had to have made a sound, but with no-one on hand to observe it there is no evidence to the fact.
I ... uh .... agree?
I ... uh .... agree?
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AnneBoleyn;1470144 wrote: The ones that sometimes get tied in a knot!!!!!!
Both of which start with a 'k'. Hmmm... Suspicious.... Korea starts with a 'K'. And Kin Jong-Un. And 'Kruschev'. Don't you see? It has to be a Communist plot by North Korea.
Both of which start with a 'k'. Hmmm... Suspicious.... Korea starts with a 'K'. And Kin Jong-Un. And 'Kruschev'. Don't you see? It has to be a Communist plot by North Korea.
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AnneBoleyn;1470144 wrote: The ones that sometimes get tied in a knot!!!!!!
Well can't be mine 'cos I never tie mine in knots................. I can sometimes get 'em in a twist though ! :p :wah:
'ere, Anne, do yer think we can hi-jack this thread, whilst they're all off doin' their Christmas thing? I bet we could take it off topic though , 'cos they're jest goin' round and round and bringing Sherlock Holmes and Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, and Kojak into it now !
Well can't be mine 'cos I never tie mine in knots................. I can sometimes get 'em in a twist though ! :p :wah:
'ere, Anne, do yer think we can hi-jack this thread, whilst they're all off doin' their Christmas thing? I bet we could take it off topic though , 'cos they're jest goin' round and round and bringing Sherlock Holmes and Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, and Kojak into it now !
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G#Gill;1470155 wrote: ¦. do yer think we can hi-jack this thread .....'cos they're jest goin' round and round and bringing Sherlock Holmes and Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, and Kojak into it now
It were Miss Marple what said, “You cannot distract a bull once he's seen the red cape ....... and I defy ANYONE to try correcting me!
It were Miss Marple what said, “You cannot distract a bull once he's seen the red cape ....... and I defy ANYONE to try correcting me!
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Except that bulls are colour blind. And who wears capes these days?
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High Threshold;1470159 wrote: It were Miss Marple what said, “You cannot distract a bull once he's seen the red cape ....... and I defy ANYONE to try correcting me!
I'm delighted you posted that - it confirms my suspicion that you're deliberately pratting about rather than meaning what you say. The only references to bulls in Agatha Christie's Miss Marple stories are:
I'm delighted you posted that - it confirms my suspicion that you're deliberately pratting about rather than meaning what you say. The only references to bulls in Agatha Christie's Miss Marple stories are:
- "But it happened to hit the bull's eye," said Joanna. "After all, she wouldn't have killed herself otherwise, would she?"
Dermot decided to take the bull by the horns. "I wish," he said, "you would tell me what you really think?"
Ardwyck Fenn threw back his head, showing the bull-like line of his neck.
If there's the least chance that Ella Zielinsky left a record of her suspicions, then this taking of the bull by the horns is a magnificent bluff.Again, if you did have a particular passage in mind, perhaps you'd care to at least name the book and confirm your wording.
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FG;1470169 wrote: I'm delighted you posted that - it confirms my suspicion that you're deliberately pratting about rather than meaning what you say.
Confirms your suspicion, eh? You are becoming a pain in the back side. Perhaps you ought to conduct a consensus: “Anyone who didn't realize HT was making a joke about Miss Marple ¦. please raise your hand.
Confirms your suspicion, eh? You are becoming a pain in the back side. Perhaps you ought to conduct a consensus: “Anyone who didn't realize HT was making a joke about Miss Marple ¦. please raise your hand.
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FourPart;1470160 wrote: ..... who wears capes these days?
I confess. Confirms your suspicion, I'll bet.
I confess. Confirms your suspicion, I'll bet.
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High Threshold;1470171 wrote: Confirms your suspicion, eh? You are becoming a pain in the back side. Perhaps you ought to conduct a consensus: “Anyone who didn't realize HT was making a joke about Miss Marple ¦. please raise your hand.
If you want to be taken seriously around these parts, you behave seriously.
If you want to be taken seriously around these parts, you behave seriously.
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FG;1470173 wrote: If you want to be taken seriously around these parts, you behave seriously.
Don't be silly.
Don't be silly.
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Oh gawd, here we go ! Eyes down, look in, weez got ping pong goin' jest here. Intit a luverly day ? 'Ere, Spot 'ow on earth do yer expect a poor fella, oo canardly see, to find a passage frum a flippin' book ? Leave it art guv, it's Christmas ! Even the Germans and English stopped fightin' eachuvver in WWI an played footie in noman's land, on Christmas day !! Or is that another apocryphal rumour ? I wasn't there so I can't be sure !
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I absolutely cannot stand Agatha Christie's writing style, her choice of subject matter or her grotesque inability to avoid introducing coincidences. I did not enjoy looking up her bull references at all. I merely happened to have a concordance of her published writings on my shelf.
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G#Gill;1470175 wrote: Oh gawd, here we go ! Eyes down, look in, weez got ping pong goin' jest here. Intit a luverly day ? 'Ere, Spot 'ow on earth do yer expect a poor fella, oo canardly see, to find a passage frum a flippin' book ? Leave it art guv, it's Christmas ! Even the Germans and English stopped fightin' eachuvver in WWI an played footie in noman's land, on Christmas day !! Or is that another apocryphal rumour ? I wasn't there so I can't be sure !
My grandpa was there. He said it was so, except for the footie part.
My grandpa was there. He said it was so, except for the footie part.
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G#Gill;1470175 wrote: Oh gawd, here we go ! Eyes down, look in, weez got ping pong goin' jest here. Intit a luverly day ? 'Ere, Spot 'ow on earth do yer expect a poor fella, oo canardly see, to find a passage frum a flippin' book ? Leave it art guv, it's Christmas ! Even the Germans and English stopped fightin' eachuvver in WWI an played footie in noman's land, on Christmas day !! Or is that another apocryphal rumour ? I wasn't there so I can't be sure !
I have an apt quote from Hercule Poirot that really says it all, but I'm on the edge of being tossed out ¦.... and I'd rather do that on my own steam when I feel the time is right.
I have an apt quote from Hercule Poirot that really says it all, but I'm on the edge of being tossed out ¦.... and I'd rather do that on my own steam when I feel the time is right.
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G#Gill;1470175 wrote: Oh gawd, here we go ! Eyes down, look in, weez got ping pong goin' jest here. Intit a luverly day ? 'Ere, Spot 'ow on earth do yer expect a poor fella, oo canardly see, to find a passage frum a flippin' book ? Leave it art guv, it's Christmas ! Even the Germans and English stopped fightin' eachuvver in WWI an played footie in noman's land, on Christmas day !! Or is that another apocryphal rumour ? I wasn't there so I can't be sure !
Don't sweat it. They're just toyin' with each other.
Don't sweat it. They're just toyin' with each other.
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FG;1470176 wrote: I absolutely cannot stand Agatha Christie's writing style, her choice of subject matter or her grotesque inability to avoid introducing coincidences. I did not enjoy looking up her bull references at all. I merely happened to have a concordance of her published writings on my shelf.
I must have missed that when I read through the FG “Do's and Dont's at the time of registration. Not so surprising really. I'm one of those who gets stuck straight in banging together IKEA furniture without so much as a glance at the instructions.
I must have missed that when I read through the FG “Do's and Dont's at the time of registration. Not so surprising really. I'm one of those who gets stuck straight in banging together IKEA furniture without so much as a glance at the instructions.
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High Threshold;1470180 wrote: I must have missed that when I read through the FG “Do's and Dont's at the time of registration. Not so surprising really. I'm one of those who gets stuck straight in banging together IKEA furniture without so much as a glance at the instructions.
I have taken exception to your making things up and then challenging people to show it's not true. I had enough of that in years gone by, it may be the most aggravating thing any poster can do to another, and you've done it twice in this thread.
I have taken exception to your making things up and then challenging people to show it's not true. I had enough of that in years gone by, it may be the most aggravating thing any poster can do to another, and you've done it twice in this thread.
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