Really America ? Punished for kindness ?

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:19 pm

FourPart;1464808 wrote: The problem is extremists, regardless of their cause, are Binary, by nature. It either is or it isn't. There can be no middle ground, thus making any kind of negotiation a non-starter.

Yep. ReTHUGlicans.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:20 pm

Bruv;1464806 wrote: You may laugh, but if what I saw on TV here is anything to go on.......it will happen.

Expect a lot of dead Americans & Brits then. If it goes hand to hand it is like fighting lunatics on crack.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:34 pm

Bruv;1464806 wrote: You may laugh, but if what I saw on TV here is anything to go on.......it will happen. Plunging our country Into more debt and losing more British troops lives... If ISIS are moving In convoys, then airstrikes.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:44 pm

Regardless of how things are done there will be innocent 'hostages' being taken & murdered. As we all know, though, these are not Hostages at all - they are merely victims who, once they fall into their hands are as good as dead. A Hostage is a bargaining tool with which to make demands in order to secure their freedom. The point is, though, that we all know that there's no way they're going to given what they want & a few murdered people here & there are simply going to be regarded as collateral damage.

I know it may seem harsh, and no doubt I will probably get flamed for saying so, but I don't really consider most of these victims to be entirely blameless, inasmuch as it being common knowledge what the situation is in that area & knowing full well what the risks are before going there, albeit with the best intentions. You take the risks, you pay the price.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:00 pm

AnneBoleyn;1464810 wrote: Expect a lot of dead Americans & Brits then. If it goes hand to hand it is like fighting lunatics on crack.

I keep on saying it but...........deaths are not easily forgotten.

I genuinely don't know how many hostages have been sacrificed and I am sympathetic......but the fatalities are very one sided, so it will take a long time before the area cools down.These people need to right what they see is wrong, and from their point of view, who can argue a good case ?

They are fight to keep their lands the way they want to, sitting back hasn't worked, the world is reaping what the world sowed.

Iraq Death Toll

Palestine Death Toll

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:10 pm

Oscar Namechange;1464789 wrote: I saw a report somewhere from Al Qu'eda that stated they had expelled many of these rebel fighters and wanted no part of them claiming they were too blood thirsty ie beheading children and babies.

So "somewhere" you read "something" making "claim" that "someone else" beheads children and babies. Would you mind very much if I quote you on that?

Oscar Namechange;1464789 wrote: ISIS In the main Is about Sunni vs Shea... quite how we deal with that I honestly don't know... other than stay the hell out of It and drop aid where most needed.

I'm with you there.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:14 pm

AnneBoleyn;1464791 wrote: I think dialogue is the North American way to spell it.

It's spelled "dialog" in Swedish. As I said - I was just lucky.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:31 pm

FourPart;1464808 wrote: The problem is extremists, regardless of their cause, are Binary, by nature. It either is or it isn't. There can be no middle ground, thus making any kind of negotiation a non-starter.

Funny. I seem to remember the UN inspection team being allowed access to ALL 12 FACILITIES REQUIRED regarding Irak's alleged WMD sights. Let's see now ...... they inspected 11 of them ..... CLEAN. But as they were about to have a look at the final sight, the leaders of Democracy and the Free World said, "OUT! We are going to bomb the pudding out of the place!" No middle ground - you say - with extremists, eh? Negotiations with them a non-starter, izzit? I wonder who might have inspired that sort of behaviour? Or even if it's true. I don't believe it myself. They have something to say and they want to be heard - without the Western spin. We just have to see to it that our respective governments remove their fingers from our ears.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 6:57 am

High Threshold;1464832 wrote: So "somewhere" you read "something" making "claim" that "someone else" beheads children and babies. Would you mind very much if I quote you on that?

. No not something I read... something I have seen. A lot I have seen. I force myself to watch them because often I don't believe the descriptions to the video's.

ISIS post the beheadings on Twitter, they get very quickly removed by the authorities but often by then, other groups have copied them and sent them on to other sites.

I'd happily post them here just to prove It but I don't think anyone would want to see that. It's quite shocking. I don't think this forum Is the place for that sort of thing.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:07 am

High Threshold;1464832 wrote: So "somewhere" you read "something" making "claim" that "someone else" beheads children and babies. Would you mind very much if I quote you on that?

. OK... here's some evidence... I have seen much much worse but I don't think this Is the place for the actual video's.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:42 am

Theres no ambiguity with this lot. Pretty cut and dried. Black and white.

Isis urges more attacks on Western ‘disbelievers’ - Middle East - World - The Independent

Abu Mohammed al Adnani urged the group’s supporters: “If you can kill a disbelieving American or European – especially the spiteful and filthy French – or an Australian, or a Canadian, or any other disbeliever from the disbelievers waging war, including the citizens of the countries that entered into a coalition against the Islamic State, then rely upon Allah, and kill him in any manner or way, however it may be, he said.

“Smash his head with a rock, or slaughter him with a knife, or run him over with your car, or throw him down from a high place, or choke him, or poison him.

A "disbeliever".... even fellow Muslims if you happen to be of a different flavour of Muslim. So they only like rapists, murderers in general, beheaders specifically. Nice

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:52 am

Snowfire;1464852 wrote: Theres no ambiguity with this lot. Pretty cut and dried. Black and white.

Isis urges more attacks on Western ‘disbelievers’ - Middle East - World - The Independent

A "disbeliever".... even fellow Muslims if you happen to be of a different flavour of Muslim. So they only like rapists, murderers in general, beheaders specifically. Nice

He wrote, "especially the spiteful and filthy French"? I am stunned!

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:00 am

High Threshold;1464853 wrote: He wrote, "especially the spiteful and filthy French"? I am stunned!

I did question what it is he has specifically against the French. The Americans are usually the Satan but the most malicious of his vitriol is aimed at the French

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:05 am

I have removed the link of the child beheading after a member PM'd me...

However, let me state clearly, I do not do propaganda. I'm a show me the money type. I would not write here or anywhere else that there Is evidence of ISIS beheading children If I had not witnessed It myself. The video's I have seen are what ISIS have posted and before authorities removed them, they were copied and sent to other sites.

I apologise If anyone opened the link and was distressed by the picture. However, I did carefully choose the one pic that pixalated out the childs head and not the full video as I could have done, which Is just one of many, However, when I am called Into question of what I write here to be true, that's why I posted It.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:29 am

Oscar Namechange;1464855 wrote: I have removed the link of the child beheading

You're a saint.

Oscar Namechange;1464855 wrote: ... let me state clearly, I do not do propaganda.

I have no doubt of that.

Oscar Namechange;1464855 wrote: However, when I am called Into question of what I write here to be true, that's why I posted It.

My “something, “somewhere, “someone reply was not meant to discredit you. It was aimed at manipulation - with the media as its source. I realize now that I might not have made that clear enough.

I suppose my view stems from the fact that “the west have committed some God-awful atrocities as well, without much of a finger aimed at Christianity ¦... Northern Ireland as one example and the Serb-Bosnia thing as another. The counter-argument to that could very well be that the worst atrocities are committed by individuals or splinter groups of extremists ¦ not governments. If that is the best that can thrown against it then I would like to point out that ISIS is not a government but Serbia was and the U.S. government was still presiding while the Al Graib scandal was all the news.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:31 am

Snowfire;1464854 wrote: I did question what it is he has specifically against the French. The Americans are usually the Satan but the most malicious of his vitriol is aimed at the French

I'm sure that Britain and the U.S. are pissing themselves! :yh_rotfl

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:35 am

High Threshold;1464856 wrote: You're a saint.

I have no doubt of that.

My “something, “somewhere, “someone reply was not meant to discredit you. It was aimed at manipulation - with the media as its source. I realize now that I might not have made that clear enough.

I suppose my view stems from the fact that “the west have committed some God-awful atrocities as well, without much of a finger aimed at Christianity ¦... Northern Ireland as one example and the Serb-Bosnia thing as another. The counter-argument to that could very well be that the worst atrocities are committed by individuals or splinter groups of extremists ¦ not governments. If that is the best that can thrown against it then I would like to point out that ISIS is not a government but Serbia was and the U.S. government was still presiding while the Al Graib scandal was all the news.

To be honest, I question why authorities remove ISIS postings such as this. Let the world see what they are doing and then the world Is In a better position to judge how we go about ending this.

When they first started beheading children, because of headlines, even I did not believe It was that bad, so I force myself to watch. How can anyone comment without knowing the full horror ?

Anyway, this Is today's Daily Mail. Yes, It's the Mail but there's some some good photography of US air strikes on ISIS today.

'This is only the beginning': Pentagon reveal how dozens of smart bombs have blitzed ISIS in Syria and tell terror group more missiles are on their way | Daily Mail Online

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:43 am

Oscar Namechange;1464858 wrote: To be honest, I question why authorities remove ISIS postings such as this.

I don't.

Oscar Namechange;1464858 wrote: Let the world see what they are doing and then the world Is In a better position to judge how we go about ending this.

How can you possibly motivate this statement with a clear conscience while Pvt. Manning languishes in a cell indefinitely, Julian Assange is now in his X-years hiding out in the Ecuador Embassy in London, and Snowden is hanging in limbo in Moscow? Or perhaps you'd like to expound your judgement to be world-inclusive?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:59 am

High Threshold;1464859 wrote: I don't.

How can you possibly motivate this statement with a clear conscience while Pvt. Manning languishes in a cell indefinitely, Julian Assange is now in his X-years hiding out in the Ecuador Embassy in London, and Snowden is hanging in limbo in Moscow? Or perhaps you'd like to expound your judgement to be world-inclusive?

If any terrorist group Is worthy of the US air strikes I have linked prior, then why shouldn't the world know the justification for them?

Otherwise, we just get the same old rhetoric of the nasty bully boy USA picking on those nice freedom fighters.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:34 am

Oscar Namechange;1464860 wrote: If any terrorist group Is worthy of the US air strikes I have linked prior, then why shouldn't the world know the justification for them?

Otherwise, we just get the same old rhetoric of the nasty bully boy USA picking on those nice freedom fighters.

We have already enough BS justification not to be sceptical. The U.S. invaded Irak because of WMD's, right? The CIA destroyed the Democratic government of Iran because the later was turning “Red, isn't it so? Hitler invaded Poland because the Poles drew first blood, yes?

Why not ISIS', Iran's, Taliban's, Mujahedeen's justification being the American lie of WMD's - the destruction of Irak - the sanctioned torture at Al Graib - the devastation of Afghanistan - Guantanamo - U.S. support for the expansion of Israel at the cost of the Palestinians, “Operation TP Ajax, etc?

I've always wondered why it is that Orthodox Jews and Amish decided on that particular hat as their “uniform. Why that one? Why not one of more Biblical fashion? And why have you decided to ignore all that has gone before, and focus on a couple of “recent incidents by Muslims to justify declaring war against them? Well, it is clearly your conviction that Muslims have NO JUSTIFICATION. Isn't that right?

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:55 am

Doctor Frankenstein, after creating his monster and discovering how evil and murderous it became, decided that it needed to be hunted down and killed. Are you suggesting HT that because of Bush and Blair's monster and the lies and manipulation used to create it, we should allow it to continue ? How barbaric and how widespread should we allow it to fester and engulf like the cancer it is, before we destroy it.

We should kill the monster and try the creators.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:11 am

High Threshold;1464861 wrote: And why have you decided to ignore all that has gone before, and focus on a couple of “recent incidents by Muslims to justify declaring war against them? Well, it is clearly your conviction that Muslims have NO JUSTIFICATION. Isn't that right?

No, you're wrong. How Muslims live their lives In ME countries Is nothing to do with me or anyone else. They live by their own governments rulings and law.

I have not Ignored what has gone before. I have posted that Iraq was far more stable under Saddam rule.

What has gone before has very little to do with what Is happening now today. Maybe Iraq but ISIS has spread through Syria and now Nigeria.

We have not Invaded Syria nor Nigeria so the argument doesn't stack up.

Regardless, If this was the simple case of Sunni and Shea Muslims fighting It out and attempting to overthrow the Iraq government, It'd be far simpler.

It's not... what Is happening Is mass genocide of Christians, Kurds and Yzaldi's. It Is a humanitarian crisis

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:12 am

Snowfire;1464863 wrote: Doctor Frankenstein, after creating his monster and discovering how evil and murderous it became, decided that it needed to be hunted down and killed. Are you suggesting HT that because of Bush and Blair's monster and the lies and manipulation used to create it, we should allow it to continue ? How barbaric and how widespread should we allow it to fester and engulf like the cancer it is, before we destroy it.

We should kill the monster and try the creators. Well said.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:14 am

Oscar Namechange;1464866 wrote: Well said.

I get uncomfortable when we agree. I have to stare at myself in the mirror and give myself a good talking to

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:21 am

Snowfire;1464867 wrote: I get uncomfortable when we agree. I have to stare at myself in the mirror and give myself a good talking to I know the feeling... just checked my driving licence to make sure I am myself.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:29 am

Snowfire;1464863 wrote: Doctor Frankenstein, after creating his monster and discovering how evil and murderous it became, decided that it needed to be hunted down and killed. Are you suggesting HT that because of Bush and Blair's monster and the lies and manipulation used to create it, we should allow it to continue ? How barbaric and how widespread should we allow it to fester and engulf like the cancer it is, before we destroy it.

The Frankenstein monster was fictitious and so were the events, climax and conclusion. But if I absolutely must follow you into the world of fantasy then let me point out to you that the monster wasn't such a bad fellow until he was taunted and intimidated. Are we clear on that? STOP PROVOKING HIM. The more you do the more he will "fester and engulf". Negociate instead.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:36 am

High Threshold;1464870 wrote: The Frankenstein monster was fictitious and so were the events, climax and conclusion. But if I absolutely must follow you into the world of fantasy then let me point out to you that the monster wasn't such a bad fellow until he was taunted and intimidated. Are we clear on that? STOP PROVOKING HIM. The more you do the more he will "fester and engulf". Negociate instead.

Since we are very insistent that we be clear on things, please clarify on which basis we are to negotiate with a group who mutilate and decapitate at a whim. What is that they want that we could give them. They want more than the rest of the world will ever let them sniff, let alone own, then in the process, if we do not conform to even their version of Islam, we die. No thanks, you go ahead.

We have already established that they are of our making. That doesnt justify slicing the head from a child, regardless of how angry and disenfranchised they may feel

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:45 am

High Threshold;1464870 wrote: The Frankenstein monster was fictitious and so were the events, climax and conclusion. But if I absolutely must follow you into the world of fantasy then let me point out to you that the monster wasn't such a bad fellow until he was taunted and intimidated. Are we clear on that? STOP PROVOKING HIM. The more you do the more he will "fester and engulf". Negociate instead.
Negotiate how ?

The families of the Westerns beheaded have already offered them substantial amounts of money for their release.

How do we negotiate between Sunni and Shea ? Who do we side with ?

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:52 am

Oscar Namechange;1464865 wrote: I have not Ignored what has gone before.

Of course you have. That's exactly what you've done in your earlier posts to this thread. Not to mention double-standard-ing like this >>>>>

Oscar Namechange;1464865 wrote: Maybe Iraq but ISIS has spread through Syria and now Nigeria. We have not Invaded Syria nor Nigeria so the argument doesn't stack up.

Please don't embarrass all of us in the whole of the western world, Oscar. Read a dozen or two nations where the U.S. (even the UK at times) "spread through", the population of which "have not invaded" you. Look, you are much more intelligent than this. So please.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:57 am

Snowfire;1464872 wrote: ..... please clarify on which basis we are to negotiate with a group who mutilate and decapitate .....

Oscar Namechange;1464873 wrote: Negotiate how ?

MOAN. Sorry, but I'm not going to repeat my reply to this question again, and again, and again. Read what I've already written or simply use some common sense.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 12:08 pm

OK then... are you saying the West should stand back, watch genocide and do nothing?

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 12:12 pm

High Threshold;1464875 wrote: MOAN. Sorry, but I'm not going to repeat my reply to this question again, and again, and again. Read what I've already written or simply use some common sense.

Wind your neck in ! Indulge us with words of few syllables that us people with no common sense can understand.

We'll never learn otherwise will we

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:08 pm

Muslims Embrace Christianity After Seeing The Barbaric Actions of ISIS - Israel Islam and End Times

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:09 pm

What turns an ordinary man into a monster ?

These people have fathers mothers children, I suggest, and have the same human compassion that most humans do.

That is the question that needs answering, wasn't it the invasion and destruction of their homes and families that pushed them to these unspeakable actions?

theia · Post by **theia** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:21 pm

Bruv;1464881 wrote: What turns an ordinary man into a monster ?

These people have fathers mothers children, I suggest, and have the same human compassion that most humans do.

That is the question that needs answering, wasn't it the invasion and destruction of their homes and families that pushed them to these unspeakable actions?

Good question, Bruv. I've been wondering the same.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:25 pm

It's the Jihad

Ask yourselves this... How many Christians do you see beheading Iraqi's

How many Kurds do you see carrying out these atrocities?

How many Yzidis do you see slaughtering Innocents?

They all live In Iraq and peacefully... It Is the Jihad.

Before anyone twists my words, I am not talking about the non violent Muslims of Iraq and Syria who have for decades lived In peace among other faiths.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:28 pm

Bruv;1464881 wrote: What turns an ordinary man into a monster ?

These people have fathers mothers children, I suggest, and have the same human compassion that most humans do.

That is the question that needs answering, wasn't it the invasion and destruction of their homes and families that pushed them to these unspeakable actions?

I don't think so, any more than Dresden or the Blitz turned people into monsters. I've no idea what hatred drives such barbarity. And lets not forget its sometimes the Westerners from comfortable backgrounds that are wielding the knife against the throats. What Religious bigotry gives justification for man's inhumanity to man ?

Not that I'm arrogant enough to know the answer.

theia · Post by **theia** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:57 pm

Snowfire;1464884 wrote: I don't think so, any more than Dresden or the Blitz turned people into monsters. I've no idea what hatred drives such barbarity. And lets not forget its sometimes the Westerners from comfortable backgrounds that are wielding the knife against the throats. What Religious bigotry gives justification for man's inhumanity to man ?

Not that I'm arrogant enough to know the answer.

More good points, Snowfire.

I was quite moved when I heard the brother of the murdered British Aid worker speaking. He said that his brother had led a life of compassion and love and that he hoped he could pay tribute to his brother's life by not feeling hatred for those that murdered him.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:23 pm

Oscar Namechange;1464876 wrote: OK then... are you saying the West should stand back, watch genocide and do nothing?
It's a Damned If We Do / Damned If We Don't situation.

We went into Iraq when Sadaam & his cronies were busily carrying out their Genocidal activities against the Kurds, and we were Internationally condemned for doing so. Now we are being condemned for not doing the same thing.

As I've said before, regarding payment of ransoms, there can be no doubt that whether they are paid or not, there can be no chance of getting any 'hostages' released once in their hands. It's harsh, but there has to be a certain level of reality faced & give them up for lost from the start. Dragging out prospects of a false hope is only going to make matters worse for all concerned.

A culture who has absolutely no morals over the murder of innocents in such a way can never be the type to be negotiated with - nor should they. Blitz them, pure & simple - forget the Humanitarian aspect - that much has more than been proved not to work. When one side follows the 'Rules', like a Gentlemanly game of Chess, they are instantly at a disadvantage to an opposing force who uses the 'No Holds Barred' approach.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:31 pm

Bruv;1464881 wrote: What turns an ordinary man into a monster ?

These people have fathers mothers children, I suggest, and have the same human compassion that most humans do.

That is the question that needs answering, wasn't it the invasion and destruction of their homes and families that pushed them to these unspeakable actions?

What we should remember are the ones brought up in free, western cultures. What gives them bees in their bonnets. I doubt if many ever even visited the middle east before. Like that Brit (yes, Brit) who killed Foley. And, he's a rapper! On a certain level he has lived in & embraced the culture in which he spent his life! What creates this reaction? A sociopath of some sort, a man filled with hate looking for a target to hate. A misfit.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:37 pm

4Part: "A culture who has absolutely no morals over the murder of innocents in such a way can never be the type to be negotiated with - nor should they. Blitz them, pure & simple - forget the Humanitarian aspect - that much has more than been proved not to work. When one side follows the 'Rules', like a Gentlemanly game of Chess, they are instantly at a disadvantage to an opposing force who uses the 'No Holds Barred' approach."

I agree. I would try once to negotiate, but that's it. Bunch of sick mothereffers the lot of them. If the jihadists could produce just one Mandela, one Gandhi, one Martin Luther King, I would not be saying that. But in all these years, not one genuine man of peace has come to be a symbol I could respect & truly listen to.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:44 pm

Oscar Namechange;1464880 wrote: Muslims Embrace Christianity After Seeing The Barbaric Actions of ISIS - Israel Islam and End Times

Oh no no no. I cannot respect this source whose true aim is to convert all Jews, to get all Jews into Israel, which is a requirement for Jesus to return under their mistaken beliefs. I definitely know what I'm talking about. Jewish people ignore completely or laugh their heads off over these Xian nut-cases whose desire it is to have the world end. They have no real interest in the Jewish people & I despise them. Seems people just can't stop thinking about Jews. Jews Jews Jews. Some honor.

These folks praising Israel & Jews now are the same ones who used to call us Christ Killers. A new fad sets in.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:55 pm

AnneBoleyn;1464896 wrote: I would try once to negotiate, but that's it. Bunch of sick mothereffers the lot of them. If the jihadists could produce just one Mandela, one Gandhi, one Martin Luther King, I would not be saying that. But in all these years, not one genuine man of peace has come to be a symbol I could respect & truly listen to.

Well said... for negotiation there's has to be some kind of reward for want of a better word. Ie, freeing hostages, It seems this mob have not actual aim other then to commit religious genocide. You can not negotiate at all.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 3:17 pm

While sources still try to confirm If he's been killed, this... sorry Theia

Wife receives audio of British hostage Alan Henning pleading for his life whilst held captive by the Islamic State (IS) | Metro News

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 3:17 pm

Why didn't we erase Germany from the map, because a few psychopaths took control for a few years?

You are all talking the same as the jihadists.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 3:25 pm

Bruv;1464911 wrote: Why didn't we erase Germany from the map, because a few psychopaths took control for a few years?

You are all talking the same as the jihadists.

Then how do you stop the genocide while not killing the Innocent Iraqi's ?

For me, there's only one way. If ISIS move In convoys from town to town, then bomb the convoys.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 3:28 pm

Bruv;1464911 wrote: Why didn't we erase Germany from the map, because a few psychopaths took control for a few years?

You are all talking the same as the jihadists.

Hmmmm. How's this: While the 'good' Germans were forced by evil men to commit evil acts the jihadists cheerfully volunteer. No Muslim government is conscripting them.....they Want to do it.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 3:37 pm

AnneBoleyn;1464913 wrote: Hmmmm. How's this: While the 'good' Germans were forced by evil men to commit evil acts the jihadists cheerfully volunteer. No Muslim government is conscripting them.....they Want to do it.

That's a damn good valid point.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 3:50 pm

Oscar Namechange;1464914 wrote: That's a damn good valid point.

:-6

I consider that a great compliment!

:yh_bigsmi

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 3:59 pm

Bruv;1464911 wrote: Why didn't we erase Germany from the map, because a few psychopaths took control for a few years?

You are all talking the same as the jihadists.
Because you have to fight fire with fire.

As for Germany, we pretty much did wipe it off the map. We reallocated its ownership amongst the Allies, including Russia.

Japan never kept to the 'rules', as there were no rules as far as they were concerned, not having signed up to the Geneva Convention. While some may see the Atom Bomb as being a War Crime in itself, might it have been considered a justifiable act, saving millions more lives which would have been lost had the conflict continued?

As far as I'm concerned, negotiation shouldn't even be an option. These murderers have no official recognition & therefore have no basis on which to negotiate. They are not representative of the people or any Government. They are Terrorists, plain & simple. Any accession made to them during negotiation would be a victory as far as they are concerned & proof positive that Terrorism works. This cannot be allowed to happen. They have laid the Ground Rules of a 'No Rules' scenario. Our only chance is to play by their rules. They have thrown down the Gauntlet. It's up to us to pick it up.