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Bruv;1427958 wrote: Not for me thankyou...........you just want to draw me in with your titbits, grooming me to radical nationalism.

I have not long eaten cumberland sausage potato and spinach, but thanks for the offer Damn

Bet you put Brown sauce on the spinach.

Wooster fer me

oscar;1427961 wrote: Damn

Bet you put Brown sauce on the spinach.


Brown sauce is an anemia....an anathia...it's a anefemia.........brown sauce is an anethema to me.......and I don't like it much either......except on me sausage.

oscar;1427943 wrote: If they are British born or have obtained British Citizenship, then no. I'd like to see the law changed so the hate preachers who do come In originally as Immigrants can have their citizenship revoked the moment they appear on the radar as being a hate preacher or associated with one.
Citizenship-lite? Really?

A lot of what you say makes sense to me, but you say it so hatefully. Are you very young, like in your twenties? It would be more understandable if you were. The older one gets, the less proclivity you have for gruesome violence in the name of a cause. Don't know why for certain (although I have some ideas) but that seems to be the way it is.


I say it hatefully? Perhaps, I consider it a mix of contempt and frustration with the situation.

If you look back at history you can see in one form or another this has happened before, it's happened many times in various ways. What is the cause? The answer is there if you are willing to see it. Muslims have been screwed over for centuries, they have standards that are primitive and barbaric compared to western standards but due to the wests meddling over the centuries they have not been able to advance. We impose regimes on them such as the Saudi Royal family and others, we SUPPORT regimes which SUPPORT Salafist and Wahabist extremists. We support regimes like that in Bahrain which uses brutality to crack down on it own people.

Does this seem like hypocrisy to you? Does something smell bad to you here?

I really think the people if the west are being jipped, I think that our politicians are so corrupt and misguided that they actually want this state of world wide low level warfare to exist and they seek to perpetuate it.

I'm not going to try to explain all of it, of all the history of this world and warfare I have read it's pretty clear to me. Nations have become warlords and petty kings goaded not by what's best for their people but what is best for a few of the powerful.

We the people will pay the price because we're too stupid to see what's right in front of us.

The government Is solely to blame for this murder because for too long political correctness has outweighed the safety of the British public and until It's addressed, we will see more of the same.


Truth. They're not going to pay a price though.

Scrat;1427992 wrote: Truth. They're not going to pay a price though.


Is this country mad? Why is Anjem Choudary, whose poisonous teachings influenced the Woolwich killers, free to draw benefits and tour BBC studios spouting murderous hatred against Britain? | Mail Online

And he Is not the only one.

I always find an Irony In cases like this. I do know the leader of our Far Right well and those on facebook with me can view my pics with him. I have worked for him on the campaign for the Welsh Assembly elections but that Is not to say I agree with every word he says.

The Irony Is, If I had a £ for everyone who has claimed I am brainwashed by Nick and his cronies or I am being dragged Into something sinister, I would be rich. The Irony is, as Nick quite rightly says In his video, he has been persecuted by the ' establishment' who have tried unsuccessfully for decades to silence him. There's one thing I do know about him and that Is, If he says something then I can bet by last quid It will be true.

So while the establishment seek out every means possible to silence him and even Imprison him Insisting poor little uneducated fools like myself are being sucked In by him, the establishment allow the likes of Choudrey and others to spew their hatred unchallenged.

It is this Irony and sheer bloody hypocrisy that has allowed hate preachers the freedom of our country to convert Impressionable young Muslims to the Jihad.

But No... let's keep tracking Nick Griffin In the hope he'll say something racist so he can be thrown In prison and let's keep paying the Jihadists more welfare.

That'll do it... that'll stop more atrocities....derrrrrrr

Oh and just for the record.... as per bloody usual, Nick Griffin Is the first and the only politician to cancel appointments to pay his respects on the streets of Woolwich......but the establishment won't tell you that. Speaks volumes.

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I knew It.... It's all Jamie Oliver's fault

'They brainwashed him': Mother of Woolwich murder suspect battled to turn him against extremism amid concerns he was 'turning against the family' | Mail Online

It always is.

Well waddya know?

he was held on terror charges In Kenya and was deported to......... wait for It........ the UK.... and we took him !!!! Just goes to prove my point about mass Immigration that went unchecked. How many more?

Revealed: Woolwich suspect was held on terror charges in Kenya... and DEPORTED here | Mail Online



But hang on people of Britain.... don't panic...Cameron has It all under control now.

Lee Rigby aftermath: I'll gag the hate clerics: Cameron to launch new terror task force to stamp out religious extremism | Mail Online



STABLE, DOOR, BOLTED

French anti-terror soldier has throat slashed by 'jihab-wearing maniac of North African origin' while on patrol in Paris | Mail Online

Where would you have the Kenyan authorities deport a British subject to ?

On my visits to SF there are reports of riots in Bristol and Newcastle, perhaps somebody might be able to confirm these reports.

Britol Riots HERE

The Bristol 'riots' look like a pub fracas to me.

Bruv;1428071 wrote: On my visits to SF there are reports of riots in Bristol and Newcastle, perhaps somebody might be able to confirm these reports.

Britol Riots HERE

The Bristol 'riots' look like a pub fracas to me.


We'll have to wait till Oscar gets back from her pub crawl with the EDL

Snowfire;1428072 wrote: We'll have to wait till Oscar gets back from her pub crawl with the EDL


There is always Tyre, FG, and/or Spot.

There is several links and a loooooong thread about these Uprisings on SF, as you might imagine.

I wanted to know if they were just flash in the pans, not worthy of coverage nationwide or something the media is not reporting for peace sake.

"A crowd of up to 100 people" hardly qualified as an uprising, these days.

Seems just a bit of rowdiness, with the cops, overreacting.

Bruv;1428071 wrote: On my visits to SF there are reports of riots in Bristol and Newcastle, perhaps somebody might be able to confirm these reports.

Britol Riots HERE

The Bristol 'riots' look like a pub fracas to me.


BBC News - Redfield pub disorder leads to 20 arrests

"We were aware of the march that was going to be happening in Kingswood and there was obviously a concern it could get out of hand but it was a very small group of people that got out of hand," she said.

"But it was not helped by a lot of false rumours going around on Facebook and Twitter making it out to be much more critical then it was."

Well I don't think Islamic Radicalism is going to burn itself out anytime soon, there was an incident in France where an officer of some type was stabbed. In the last week in Russias Caucasus there have been a couple of incidents, rumblings in north Africa in many places also. I read that Russia has sent a warning to Germany to do with some race they're having, I think the Germans will listen.

I also don't think we in the west are going to learn anytime soon. Apparently we are well into a new type of warfare. Not one where we have huge armies moving across the landscape shooting at one another but a type of warfare where the enemy strikes in small groups using very destructive compact weapons capable of great amounts of bloodshed. And they're not in a trench on the other side. They could be living right next to you.

As the freak with the blood on his hands said. You will never be safe.

LarsMac;1428087 wrote: "A crowd of up to 100 people" hardly qualified as an uprising, these days.

Seems just a bit of rowdiness, with the cops, overreacting.


And there we have how the British public get fooled.

Every time the EDL take to the streets, the ' Establishment' will tell us ' It was around 100 rowdy protesters'. They will add ' Oh and they got violent'...

Most of the time the EDL march, It's pretty peaceful until they come under fire from the UAF.

This march took place yesterday... this Is just one city, Newcastle.... there were many more across the country..... watch to the end and then have a guess at numbers.

What the ' Establishment' will have you believe Is that the EDL are some tiny little protest group . The numbers are far greater than they'll have you believe.

If Tommy ever gets his act together and unties with the BNP, there could be far right seats won In the north of England.



EDL - English Defence League - Newcastle - May 25th 2013 - YouTube

What's the betting this video will be ripped down from youtube and replaced with the one showing the one arrest ?

Nice people........

Bruv;1428136 wrote: Nice people........ On the other hand.... the truth



EDL CLASS WAR - YouTube

Not many black faces in that crowd.

I wonder why.

oscar;1428137 wrote: On the other hand.... the truth



EDL CLASS WAR - YouTube


Who's truth ?

I am not defending some members of the EDL as I won't defend some members of the BNP. Of course there are racists among them but you'll find a large amount In UKIP also.

We could sit here all night loading youtube clips but It doesn't mean either Is right or wrong.

What I take exception to Is totally false reporting that ' oh It was 100 rowdy protesters who got violent'. Along with the dumbing down of the attempted beheading of a soldier In France two days ago

Just saying there are two sides to every story.

EDL bus attacked by Asian men following protest meeting in East London | Mail Online

Snowfire;1428140 wrote: Who's truth ?


Woolwich attack: English Defence League chief and Muslim share hug at protest - Mirror Online

Did you see the numbers In Newcastle yesterday ? You wait until tomorrow.... that's all I am saying.

This whole thing has become radical on both sides, doesn't matter who's who. I don't blame the EDL though, I blame British policy both at home and abroad. I think Brits need to WTFU.

I would like to question the guy that makes the comment "The blacks and n*ggers are alright, it's the pak*s" what he exactly means.

Its the Muslamic rayguns...

EDL Yokel Interviewed for Press TV - YouTube

This bloke borrowed a few of the spare brain cells going round on the march. That brought the total up to 7

Scrat;1428171 wrote: This whole thing has become radical on both sides, doesn't matter who's who. I don't blame the EDL though, I blame British policy both at home and abroad. I think Brits need to WTFU.


The EDL and the BNP combined equate around the figure of 2.6 million people and votes.

They will unfortunately never join forces because the EDL support Israel against Palestine and It's believed UK Zionists fund the EDL.

UKIP have made massive gains and hold 25% of the countries votes. UKIP are the BNP In better suits.

What they all have In common Is an Immigration policy, the policy to leave Europe, the death penalty reinstated and the withdrawal of our troops from every other country around the globe and stop meddling In other civil wars.

That's a heck of a lot of far right voters out there.

For too long, the biased media no doubt on the Instructions of governments have played down the numbers of the EDL, BNP and UKIP and passed them off as a few rowdy Nationalists. In short, no government has ever wanted the electorate to take any of them seriously because their policies are so opposed to their own government agenda. People have believed what they read. ' Oh It's a few drunks on a protest and they got violent'.

The truth Is very far removed and In fact the EDL Is gaining more than the BNP right now.

The government and the media also dumbed down the assasination attempt on Tommy Robinson, the leader of the EDL from extremists. They don't want the public to realise that the EDL has grown enough that Muslim Extremists now consider them to be a very real threat to them.

Weather anyone agree's with the policies of any of the far right parties and orgs, the fact remains that people are turning to them and they will continue to do so with every new atrocity on our streets.

What Is criminal Is not the activities of the BNP or the EDL Is that no government was willing to listen to their concerns over the years. Instead they set up the UAF to libel them In most cases so the public feared them. By Instilling such propaganda and lies, they hoped no-one would take them seriously but I really think as was the case with UKIP who the governments denounced as fruitcakes and racists, the electorate has so little faith In the mainstream parties to address the real threat of radical Islam, that the public Is starting to look elsewhere.

The BNP and the EDL are scapegoats for the governments Inability to act when they were asked. Their solution was to libel and Instil fear about the very people raising their voices.

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One of the sickest things I ever heard ? Some moron on Channel Four news accusing Tommy Robinson of ' provoking these poor Jihadists In the UK'.

Oh.. and I reckon In about 15 minutes the EDL will be decending on Westminster... let's see how the press report that !!!

On the advice of Nigel Farage edl's away day to edinburgh has been cancelled. Don't know why we have lenty racist of our own so they should get on you would think.



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Who's truth ?

Woolwich attack: English Defence League chief and Muslim share hug at protest - Mirror Online




They're in trouble now. Where do the EDL stand on homosexuality and Miscegenation?

This Is a recent and rare honest Interview with Tommy the leader of the EDL....It's quite long but well worth a listen.... Racist, football hooligan ??? I don't think so. I think he makes some very good points.

Tommy Robinson Response to Woolwich Attack

I have just had a message to say there's a major Incident.... Muslims have attacked TheBomber Command memorial in London.... waiting on more Info

http://inagist.com/all/338949845865873408/

So you think Tommy Is wrong?

This heavilly pregnant was arrested after Muslims complained she was carrying a flag... our flag !!!

LiveLeak.com - pregnant woman arrested in oldham for holding british flag

Yeah, that's the way to stop radicals Isn't It ?

So you think Tommy Is wrong?

This heavilly pregnant was arrested after Muslims complained she was carrying a flag... our flag !!!

LiveLeak.com - pregnant woman arrested in oldham for holding british flag

Yeah, that's the way to stop radicals Isn't It ?

So are the tabloids seriously suggesting the EDL did this to stir up racial tension ? FFS !!!!

Home | Mail Online

Another message... although the EDL Insisted their march on Westminster was a peaceful protest, the UAF have showed up In force I'm told... this Is going to get nasty.

Any updates? I saw that Liveleak video yesterday, I guess the cops are just trying to keep the situation calm but I doubt it will work. Too many hot heads on both sides for that. Spooky situation.

I think there is going to be bloodshed yet again, I get the feeling this has been festering for quite some time.

oscar;1428194 wrote: So you think Tommy Is wrong?

This heavilly pregnant was arrested after Muslims complained she was carrying a flag... our flag !!!

LiveLeak.com - pregnant woman arrested in oldham for holding british flag

Yeah, that's the way to stop radicals Isn't It ?


I have learned to hold judgement. There is ALWAYS more to the story that you first hear.

Besides, as a veteran, I would be angered to see someone holding my county's flag draped over their shoulder like an old rucksack.

That woman obviously has little respect for the flag she is holding. She should have been arrested.

Scrat;1428201 wrote: Any updates? I saw that Liveleak video yesterday, I guess the cops are just trying to keep the situation calm but I doubt it will work. Too many hot heads on both sides for that. Spooky situation.

I think there is going to be bloodshed yet again, I get the feeling this has been festering for quite some time. This Is all I have at the moment which Is film of journalists filming the EDL.... I will no doubts have some unofficial footage later tonight from some Involved today.

EDL march through London - ITV News

Looks like huge amounts In procession at the end of the clip behind the wall.

I've just been sent this... taken a few minutes ago

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Interesting the amount of folk on this thread justifying or making excuses for this travesty.

Really?

Because "they have been treated bad for years".

Apparently...you can justify any behavior if there is a good enough reason in your mind. Yet I wager you are highly intolerant of many beliefs. :-3

LarsMac;1428202 wrote: I have learned to hold judgement. There is ALWAYS more to the story that you first hear.

Besides, as a veteran, I would be angered to see someone holding my county's flag draped over their shoulder like an old rucksack.

That woman obviously has little respect for the flag she is holding. She should have been arrested.


Get a grip it's only a flag. This is not a fascist nation you are not obliged to salute the flag or anything daft like that, she can carry the flag any way she likes.

Good to see the anti fascist traditions of the british are still alive and kicking.

gmc;1428246 wrote: Get a grip it's only a flag. This is not a fascist nation you are not obliged to salute the flag or anything daft like that, she can carry the flag any way she likes.

Good to see the anti fascist traditions of the british are still alive and kicking. You see, the pregnant womans arrest for simply carrying a flag Is all that Is wrong with the unfair balance of this country.

If you watched the entire Interview with Tommy Robinson, then he Is right. Fanatical Islamics can go onto the streets of Luton and spit In the faces of returning troops mothers and not be arrested.

LarsMac;1428202 wrote: I have learned to hold judgement. There is ALWAYS more to the story that you first hear.

Besides, as a veteran, I would be angered to see someone holding my county's flag draped over their shoulder like an old rucksack.

That woman obviously has little respect for the flag she is holding. She should have been arrested.


So you think she should be arrested.?

However, those In the photograph on the streets of Luton were NOT arrested.

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Woolwich attack: Terrorist Parviz Khan jailed for plotting to behead soldier batters guard at Full Sutton prison - Mirror Online

oscar;1428249 wrote: If you watched the entire Interview with Tommy Robinson, then he Is right.


I have listened to it all, and it is........seductive.

He does make a lot of good points, just like Hitler did about the Jews.

Both seem to put the blame for all that ails us on the whole population of the feared minority that is planning to engulf and enslave us.

It is a tricky situation no doubt, I know there are no easy solutions, but mobs of young men fresh from Wetherspoons is not the answer.

One point of order, he said that halal slaughterhouses make work for Muslims and throw English out of work, I know of an English Slaughterman who produces halal meat,so he is not 100% correct in that fear making propoganda.

Bruv;1428263 wrote: I have listened to it all, and it is........seductive.

He does make a lot of good points, just like Hitler did about the Jews.

Both seem to put the blame for all that ails us on the whole population of the feared minority that is planning to engulf and enslave us.

It is a tricky situation no doubt, I know there are no easy solutions, but mobs of young men fresh from Wetherspoons is not the answer.

One point of order, he said that halal slaughterhouses make work for Muslims and throw English out of work, I know of an English Slaughterman who produces halal meat,so he is not 100% correct in that fear making propoganda.


It was the most ' from the heart unscripted' Interview I think I've seen In a long time.

I like his honesty, especially where he talked of being unable to harness the EDL when It swelled so much 4 years ago.

I don't wish to force anyone to agree with what he says... It's more about dispelling the media's portrayal of him as an inbred football hooligan. That, he Is not.

oscar;1428249 wrote: You see, the pregnant womans arrest for simply carrying a flag Is all that Is wrong with the unfair balance of this country.

If you watched the entire Interview with Tommy Robinson, then he Is right. Fanatical Islamics can go onto the streets of Luton and spit In the faces of returning troops mothers and not be arrested.


Actually, I don't know from the film that she was arrested "just for carrying the flag."

I hear someone say that.

But there is nothing of the conversation the police had with the woman on holding the flag.

I cannot even tell that she was, in fact, arrested. We only here other people saying so.

There is always more to the story than you really get from one source.

oscar;1428250 wrote: So you think she should be arrested.?
Actually, I was being a bit of a smartass in that comment. But that video tells me nothing about why she was arrested. It actually is not even clear that she was.

oscar;1428250 wrote: However, those In the photograph on the streets of Luton were NOT arrested.


So?

You don't have freedom of speech in the UK?

I know there are no easy solutions, but mobs of young men fresh from Wetherspoons is not the answer.


Then what is the answer? No disrespect intended Bruv but I don't think you fully understand what you're up against. You're up against an IDEA. You can't kill an idea and when that idea is part of a FAITH, it becomes almost unstoppable. 1.3 billion people are a part of this faith. None of the major powers have treated those people with respect. Brits gassed them, Russians tried to bomb them back into the stoneage, America tried the same thing plus a little more. Israel still steals their land.

They're using your own values, your own system against you. They don't care about the constitution or the Magna Carta, they have their own. They intend to correct the imbalance at your expense - not theirs. It doesn't matter what you think or what you say, they will come after you and they will not stop. You will never be safe.