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Betty Boop;1386247 wrote: Maybe if the general membership are asking for a thread that can be left for respect it should be allowed. Maybe this thread needs to be split so respect and condolences may be said without being picked apart.


If you can see where the division lies then by all means make two threads out of it. Had this thread been left for respect I'd have treated it as such but it wasn't.

theia;1386246 wrote: Which big lie are you referring to?The one you don't have a problem with. Perhaps you've heard it so many times you think it's true.

spot;1386249 wrote: If you can see where the division lies then by all means make two threads out of it. Had this thread been left for respect I'd have treated it as such but it wasn't.


Well, that sends me back to read the lot again, something I will have to do to split it anyway. Where does your claim 'Had this thread been left for respect I'd have treated it as such but it wasn't' start?

The prosecution rests due to an uncoperative and hostile witness.

Fortunately, I think most of us respect and support the police.

RIP Police Officer David Rathband. :-1

spot;1386249 wrote: If you can see where the division lies then by all means make two threads out of it. Had this thread been left for respect I'd have treated it as such but it wasn't. What you're saying then Is that It's fair game for you to come In and pick JJ's words to pieces but when other members complain about Insensitivity In a RIP thread, It's everyone else's fault but yours ?

It Is becoming predictable that any thread posted about the newly departed has to have word picking or negative posts by you that take the entire purpose of the thread off tangent.

Jeepers, looking at this thread it would be easier to rename this one and start another RIP one.

spot;1386250 wrote: The one you don't have a problem with. Perhaps you've heard it so many times you think it's true.


You saying that it's a big lie doesn't necessarily make it so.

theia;1386256 wrote: You saying that it's a big lie doesn't necessarily make it so.
Yes Spot... Show us the factual documented evidence that It's a lie.

This reminds me of the 9/11 memorial threads that inevitably go down the toilet thanks to certain members.

Some thoughts just occurred to me when arguing points with people. If you annoy and agitate others when you are attempting to show them another side to an argument you are pushing, you actually stop the other side attempting to look, simply because they become immediately defensive. Diplomacy goes a long way.

He wasn't exactly a clean cut hero. Arrested for assault on his wife...

Guess I just choose my heroes differently.

You can be sad about whatever deaths you want. I'd never heard the man's name before and he doesn't strike me as a hero. Seems he didn't find his having survived the shooting to be all that great a thing. If he didn't value his life enough to keep living it, seems strange to call him a hero.

koan;1386314 wrote: He wasn't exactly a clean cut hero. Arrested for assault on his wife...

Guess I just choose my heroes differently.

You can be sad about whatever deaths you want. I'd never heard the man's name before and he doesn't strike me as a hero. Seems he didn't find his having survived the shooting to be all that great a thing. If he didn't value his life enough to keep living it, seems strange to call him a hero. You really need to get your facts right here.

Hero cop David Rathband arrested on suspicion of assaulting wife - Mirror Online

He was arrested at his home after his son became anxious about a furious row him and his wife was having late at night, The son phoned the police and they arrested him on SUSPICION of assault.

After talking It through with the police he was de-arrested.

Unlike being released with no further action, being de-arrested means the record of the original arrest Is removed from police files. There Is no charge to answer and no further action taken.

Had the police arrived at his home and found his wife Injured or visible evidence that he had hit her, he would have been charged,

It was nothing more that a heated row between a husband and wife with one of the children getting worried. There Is no evidence what-so ever that he has ever hit his wife.

I'll tell you what Koan... God forbid one day your child happens to be In the wrong place at the wrong time and falls victem to a nut job with a shotgun.

Until you've walked a mile In that man's shoe's, you can not possibly comment weather he merit's the title hero Is fitting or not.

oscar;1386317 wrote: I'll tell you what Koan... God forbid one day your child happens to be In the wrong place at the wrong time and falls victem to a nut job with a shotgun.What I find so unforgivably distasteful about you and JJ is the way the pair of you continually attempt to personalize issues in this way. Perhaps neither of you even notice you're doing it, though I suspect otherwise.

Was he a hero ?

Yes, I agree, the word hero Is bandied about far too much by the media these days but let's not overlook this:

When Moat approached PC Rathband's squad car, he had already gunned down his ex girlfriend and shot and killed her new boyfriend. From there, he went onto the street on a rampage to kill more.

When he shot PC Rathband, he played dead In order to get a message across his radio that a nutter was on the rampage. Due to that, there was a rapid response by police which meant they got Innocent members of the public off the streets. Had he not have played dead and got that message through to base, the pubic would still have been on the streets and possibly the death by Moat would have been much higher. For that alone, he deserves some credit.

spot;1386318 wrote: What I find so unforgivably distasteful about you and JJ is the way the pair of you continually attempt to personalize issues in this way. Perhaps neither of you even notice you're doing it, though I suspect otherwise.


And you, Spot do not personalize your response? Distasteful? I think your need to take you laxative and go to bed.

I have just read thru all of this thread...Let a man rest in peace...he was unhappy, depressed and struggling ...he was a civil servant who gave is life to protect the lives of people he did not even know.... but he willing gave...yes, I don't think you know the meaning of giving.

Why can we not let him rest? Everyone deserves their peace.

The facts were right. As your headline says, he was arrested. They released him without charges. The only way to "de-arrest" him would be if they had a time machine.

koan;1386330 wrote: The facts were right. As your headline says, he was arrested. They released him without charges. The only way to "de-arrest" him would be if they had a time machine.


Do some research on English law



Section 30, subsection (7) and (7A) of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984, to "de-arrest" is to allow that "a person who has been arrested under any act of law at a place other than a police station, shall be released before reaching a police station if a constable Is satisfied that there are no grounds for keeping him under arrest.

haha. what a strange use of language. So it does mention de-arresting him.

That still doesn't mean you can harass me for stating he was arrested. The headline of your own link states it. Let me explain something to you by asking a question. Can a person be de-arrested without having been arrested first?

You'd still need a time machine to erase the arrest. In Canada we call it "arrested and released without charges" in England you call it "arrested then de-arrested" either way, the original arrest still exists in the real world of linear events.

koan;1386365 wrote: either way, the original arrest still exists in the real world of linear events.
... and any prat who thinks the records are erased needs their head red, too.

koan;1386365 wrote: haha. what a strange use of language. So it does mention de-arresting him.

That still doesn't mean you can harass me for stating he was arrested. The headline of your own link states it. Let me explain something to you by asking a question. Can a person be de-arrested without having been arrested first?

You'd still need a time machine to erase the arrest. In Canada we call it "arrested and released without charges" in England you call it "arrested then de-arrested" either way, the original arrest still exists in the real world of linear events.


Harass you ??

What a strange choice of word for correcting your Inaccurate post.

OK then, let's say he got frustrated and angry about his disfigurement and loss of sight and had a bit of a set to with the wife.

It doesn't mean he was a serial wife beater.

As I said before... had the police arrived and his wife had been Injured In some way, and In this country, that can mean just a scratch, he would not have been de-arrested. He would have been charged.

Besides, you Indignation at a fine man with an exemplary record Is laughable when referring back to some posts you made a couple of days ago In another thread.

Let's get this right then Koan... You hero worship Sid Vicious and think he Is 'Awesome' as you put It. Sid Vicious, a former rent boy who lived In squats, was violent, a hopeless heroin and crack addict, mentally retarded, talentless, who stabbed his girlfriend to death and possibly killed himself by overdose to avoid the outcome?

Just a thought.... I wonder how that young girl Is doing now.... Do you know the one I mean Koan? The girl when Sid Vicious drunk and high threw a glass Into the audience and smashed Into a 17 year old girls face, scarring and disfiguring her for life. Wonder If she thinks he's 'Awesome' eh?

And you expect to be taken seriously here ??? :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

did you see me start a thread saying how Sid's death was the saddest thing I'd ever read?

My post was not inaccurate. If you can't understand simple logic I have no use for this banter.

oscar;1386370 wrote: And you expect to be taken seriously here ??? :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl


It's a great shame you feel you have to browbeat rather than discuss, it screws up so many threads which might otherwise discover common ground.

spot;1386373 wrote: It's a great shame you feel you have to browbeat rather than discuss, it screws up so many threads which might otherwise discover common ground.


Irony, right? I'm not always sure since I'm American.

SnoozeAgain;1386375 wrote: Irony, right? I'm not always sure since I'm American.


I constantly seek common ground, it's ingrained deep within me.

koan;1386372 wrote: did you see me start a thread saying how Sid's death was the saddest thing I'd ever read?

My post was not inaccurate. If you can't understand simple logic I have no use for this banter.
Please try to pay attention Koan. If you make sure you have the facts Initially, It saves much time later.

For the second time, I will repeat, I said 'Such sadness' That Is a world away

from your Inaccurate quote of " The saddest thing I ever read"

Regardless, you hero worship a violent drug addict who maimed a young girl at a concert for life and killed his girlfriend.

I think I'll stick with PC Rathband...

what a waste of time

koan;1386378 wrote: what a waste of time No time would have been wasted at all had you posted Inaccurate accurately and had quoted accurately from posts.

here's oscar creating a phantom dick for herself and bending at impossible angles to suck it.

koan;1386403 wrote: here's oscar creating a phantom dick for herself and bending at impossible angles to suck it.


I'd like to sincerely thank you Koan.

After writing my last post, I turned to Mr O and said ' What's the betting Koan has nothing to answer and her next post resorts to Insults.?

You just earned me an easy £10

You're just sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo predictable

:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

There was nothing to say long ago. You say something makes you sadder than you've been in years then argue because the words "such sadness" means something different. Then you argue that somebody who has been de-arrested was never arrested in the first place.

All the while you post as many laughie smilies as you can to make it look like you're a winner.

So... enjoy your phantom dick. It's the slang for "straw man".

oh, and while you and your husband frantically google "straw man" and try to come up with a way to laugh that off... have some tea and crumpets, click your heels together three times and forget that intelligence isn't part of your game plan.

koan;1386411 wrote: oh, and while you and your husband frantically google "straw man" and try to come up with a way to laugh that off... have some tea and crumpets, click your heels together three times and forget that intelligence isn't part of your game plan.
Oh dear. Time of the month again ?

oscar;1386319 wrote: Was he a hero ?

Yes, I agree, the word hero Is bandied about far too much by the media these days but let's not overlook this:

When Moat approached PC Rathband's squad car, he had already gunned down his ex girlfriend and shot and killed her new boyfriend. From there, he went onto the street on a rampage to kill more.

When he shot PC Rathband, he played dead In order to get a message across his radio that a nutter was on the rampage. Due to that, there was a rapid response by police which meant they got Innocent members of the public off the streets. Had he not have played dead and got that message through to base, the pubic would still have been on the streets and possibly the death by Moat would have been much higher. For that alone, he deserves some credit.


He does deserve credit, yes, but I believe that many citizens, had they found themselves in his position, they too would have had the idea to play dead and to then dial 999.

Betty Boop;1386415 wrote: He does deserve credit, yes, but I believe that many citizens, had they found themselves in his position, they too would have had the idea to play dead and to then dial 999. Yes, and If any citizen found themselves In that position and played dead to dial 999, they would also be branded a hero by the media.

As for PC Rathband, It wasn't just that one deed but the charity he set up and all the fund-raising events he under-took to help others. He became an Inspiration to many people.