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K.Snyder;1381306 wrote: As does alot of people including myself at times when I'm in a hurry, but I will say in my defense that I try every time to say something other than "black" or "the big girl with the tub of ice cream".

But when I look at attempting to describe a white fellow my reactions come no where near using the word "white", in fact it's probably the last thing I'd say and even then may refuse to do so based on the fact I'd probably make things all the more confusing. So perhaps what we can do is delude any potential insult as much as possible by settling on terms like "big nose", "balding" or "the gentlemen with feet the size of a longboat".

I suppose my point being that we're not being politically incorrect when describing a martian as being red, we're being politically incorrect when we're not describing a white man as being "white" when attempting to describe another person by the color of their skin which is nothing more than a form of ignorance left behind by the injustices of greedy sleezeballs that live for money.

Perhaps all of this doesn't make sense but I suppose that's my demon.


I guess not describing a white man/woman "white" has something to do with the colour that you are. Maybe "we" describe a black man/woman as being black because "we" are not.

I wonder if people who are black or asian use the term: a black man or asian man, maybe they don't use it because they are describing someone who matches their own "race"

Chloe_88;1381438 wrote: I guess not describing a white man/woman "white" has something to do with the colour that you are. Maybe "we" describe a black man/woman as being black because "we" are not.

I wonder if people who are black or asian use the term: a black man or asian man, maybe they don't use it because they are describing someone who matches their own "race" My basic thought is asking why anyone would question what a group of people find to be offensive given the history of K.Snyder;1381134 wrote: ...been stripped from their family's(To be specific children being stripped from their parents and sold) to only be raped, tortured, humiliated and ultimately murdered only to grow through a society that while slavery had been abolished what followed was just as horrendous in treating them like they were less than dog's let alone human. at the expense of catching them trying to do what exactly? Cheating the system to get more hand outs? Food stamps? I couldn't think of anything more degrading for one to think that. Newt Gingrich does and what a piece of work he is...

Sorry for butting in again, I seriously believe you are both being extremely ultra sensitive, and guilty of second guessing what black people think...... and in doing so....... are being ever so slightly racist.

There I have said it, I feel better now.

I have a black African wife, she happily describes herself as black, when we talk of the many people we know, we often have to say whether the people are black or white, just to distinguish who we mean. She often uses different degrees of blackness to differentiate, some are black black, while others are just black, or white.

She worked under the Smith regime after UDI , she has lived the full force of segregation along racial grounds. She knows about slavery etc. but it doesn't play on her mind everyday, it doesn't affect her life, not like her day to day interaction with whites does.

She does at times, ask me whether I think that person was being racist or not, many times I think there are cultural or language differences, subtle inexplicable differences.

She still carries mental scars, the after glow of living 'under' a superior authority, that is understandable, she possibly over compensates.......she is human after all.

Blacks born and bred in Britain have to put up with uncomfortable moments whenever a blackboard is mentioned, based on the unease of the white person mentioning it.

I honestly believe we have all gone too far PC wise which is racism of a different kind........but just as harmful.

Bruv;1381450 wrote: Sorry for butting in again, I seriously believe you are both being extremely ultra sensitive, and guilty of second guessing what black people think...... and in doing so....... are being ever so slightly racist.

There I have said it, I feel better now.I'd never think of inventing political correctness when not directly at the request of those in question. Political correctness is also irrelevant when not at the request of the minority groups conflicted so I win either way.

Bruv;1381450 wrote: Sorry for butting in again, I seriously believe you are both being extremely ultra sensitive, and guilty of second guessing what black people think...... and in doing so....... are being ever so slightly racist.


If this is aimed at me: I don't think i'm being over sensitive. I'm just saying racism works both ways.

My question about: I wonder if people who are black or asian use the term: a black man or asian man, maybe they don't use it because they are describing someone who matches their own "race" was a serious question. It was not ment to hurt anybody's feelings on this topic. I was just wondering if this was the case or not. I cannot see what someone thinks and therefor I wonder what peoples way of thinking is. If i'm (or people in general) not even aloud to wonder about certain things well then I guess we're all mad. Just to clear the air..

Bruv;1381450 wrote: I honestly believe we have all gone too far PC wise which is racism of a different kind........but just as harmful.


This is in a way what i meant to say. Isn't being "over" PC just as racist and harmful?

If a black person is trying to describe the shop owner around the corner and says "You know the bald white dude".

If a white person is trying to describe the shop owner around the corner and says "You know the bald black dude".

Is either being racist?

No, both are just trying to describe. They may never be able to convey who they are talking about if they say "The bald human dude".

YZGI;1381518 wrote: If a black person is trying to describe the shop owner around the corner and says "You know the bald white dude".

If a white person is trying to describe the shop owner around the corner and says "You know the bald black dude".

Is either being racist?

No, both are just trying to describe. They may never be able to convey who they are talking about if they say "The bald human dude".I think the general point of political correctness is for people to adhere to a standard, and already predetermined, set of terms that can reasonably be assumed to be the least offensive regarding those that have been discriminated against, in the most vile ways imaginable, in the past. Semantic shifts are the effects of a majorities attitudes and their influence on terms that can change it's meaning from one of no offense to another highly offensive one...

That said, no one has a right to assume a specific term causes offense. Speculation has no value in terms of rational judgment. I cannot see how political correctness is related to any jail term and I don't see how any lawsuit carries much weight against those suspected of discrimination unless such a case can be proven beyond reasonable doubt. Quite frankly I see political correctness being a battle of ones own personal position on questioning their own impulses that ultimately define their view of other individuals. Where's the issue then?

Chloe_88;1381512 wrote: If this is aimed at me: I don't think I'm being over sensitive. I'm just saying racism works both ways.




Nothing is 'aimed' at anybody, we are just talking.

When we are telling someone about someone else we pick out the strongest characteristics, if we choose to ignore they are black, or white, or tall, or ginger, or dwarf, or any potentially sensitive quality, then we are being politically correct or put another way dishonest.

The way you use any word can be altered by intonation, intent, demeanour, delivery.

The words in themselves are not the problem.

Rules to effect social change such as PC, can only go so far before they turn the intended solution into the problem.

I think we are at that 'tipping point' right now.

By being too PC we are causing more problems than we solve.

Thnx for that bruv. So bruv like you said being over PC is just as harmful.

Back to what started this thread: Why do alot of "white" brits feel racially attacked? Is it because we have become over PC and these people feel they are "stuck", not aloud to say anything because the race card will be thrown at them?

Chloe_88;1381571 wrote: Why do a lot of "white" Brits feel racially attacked?

Is it because we have become over PC and these people feel they are "stuck", not allowed to say anything because the race card will be thrown at them?


I think it is much much more complicated than that.

Some blacks are predisposed to see offence, and some whites are predisposed to think they might be giving it.You have some blacks that have turned it into a way of life, while there are others that are embarrassed about it.

Alongside them there are the whites that tippy toe around afraid to say common or garden words within earshot of anyone with a slight tan......such as dark, blackcurrant , suntan, charcoal, sooty.

Then there are the whites that use such innocent words intentionally for the affect they require then cry reverse racism.

Everybody is walking around on imaginary eggshells.

Bruv;1381575 wrote:

Everybody is walking around on imaginary eggshells.


You are so right.

About two years ago there was a serious assault In my village. To cut a long story short, the two believed to have carried out the attack were seen In my friends takeaway an hour after the attack so plod turned up to ask us to describe them.

What followed was a farcical conversation with some dumb arsse wpc as to what constituted our description of 'black'.

We were actually trying to assist the police yet were made to feel downright uncomfortable because we had said the word 'Black' and the conversation then continued with was 'Black' mixed race or Middle Eastern.

In the end we withdrew our assistance and told her to get lost.

I'm affected by race. When I see a black man smile at me I think "he's probably got a really big dick."

I, personally, have been more abused by white people than I have been by any other race. That's probably because their numbers are greater in the society in which I reside.

I bet in the African continent you'll find the majority of countries have blacks as the victims.

koan;1381615 wrote: I'm affected by race. When I see a black man smile at me I think "he's probably got a really big dick."

I, personally, have been more abused by white people than I have been by any other race. That's probably because their numbers are greater in the society in which I reside.


I know that's what I'd be thinking if this lovely smiled at me.

SnoozeAgain;1381621 wrote: I know that's what I'd be thinking if this lovely smiled at me.


I would not kick him out of bed either.

This is my fantasy

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Bruv;1381575 wrote: Everybody is walking around on imaginary eggshells.


It is a shame that this is what is has come to nowadays.. I agree everybody is walking around on imaginary eggshells.

Matrin Lawrence makes me laugh! I loved him in the film: Black Knight. Big momma's house, bad boys and wild hogs are great films to!

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So this topic has been reduced to the size of black cocks ?

I wonder if the PC brigade label that as racist ?