Why Am I Still A Virgin?

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:55 am

jones jones;1368263 wrote:

But know this … I will be here tomorrow and the next day and the next and the only way you will silence me is if you find a way to ban me.

There is no question of either of you being banned.

I might well have banned more people in the past month than in the rest of the time I've been a Mod but I'm not of the mind to ban members without very, very good reason.

Post by **jones jones** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:16 pm

Bryn Mawr;1368281 wrote: There is no question of either of you being banned.

I might well have banned more people in the past month than in the rest of the time I've been a Mod but I'm not of the mind to ban members without very, very good reason.

Thank you Bryn. You are, and always have been a gentleman.

Lady J · Post by **Lady J** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 6:50 pm

jones jones;1368282 wrote: Thank you Bryn. You are, and always have been a gentleman.

Ditto to what jonesey said Bryn.

Lady J

Post by **spot** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:47 am

jones jones;1368263 wrote: This paragraph written by you in this thread tells me quite unequivocally that you believe that Lady J is Jones Jones. You can say what you like & duck and dive using your Spot speak, but this is a fact and you know it.

So go and make a “ruling” on Lady J. Go and “look so that you can be obliged to act.” What is holding you back? And if you can come back here on this thread now or in a week or month and state without a shadow of a doubt that I and Lady J are the same person, then ban me. I dare you!

Just bear in mind that you invited me to do it, okay.

Is the "Lady J" account using a domestic service? By no means. The "Lady J" account is using [forename removed by moderator]'s company's unfirewalled Head Office Windows Server 2003 with a login account over an unsecured unmonitored point to point port, and I bet [forename removed by moderator]'s company knows nothing at all about it. Bear in mind that, if challenged, I'm involved enough to email his Executive Vice President of Operations and ask her.

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And, despite it being in an office building where no self-respecting staff would be sat after dark, the "Lady J" account has been banging out posts at times when most good local citizens would be curled up in bed. Though not most good South African citizens several continents away - the post times (just like last time) map onto the post times of the JJ account.

The one absolute demand I put on the members' use of ForumGarden years ago still stands: no proxy access. I said it because of the mayhem you and RJ were causing. Now, do you want me to close your "Lady J" account or do you want to try rationalizing matters and coming to an agreement on an open policy about personae? I have nothing against declared multiple accounts in principle but I'm not going to tolerate this repetitive prima donna look-at-me grandstanding when it's based on a deliberate conscious lie.

Here's what I wrote and got no answer to. You might like to respond directly to it.You've demonstrated with three proven past instances so far that you enjoy posting from a woman's perspective on ForumGarden. With each of those three accounts you've pretended to be someone other than JJ. Does it matter to you when posting with them that nobody knows you're JJ when using those accounts? Because from FG's perspective, as I wrote earlier, removing the "fooled you" side of the accounts is all it takes to have another. If each account is explicitly tied to you when it's started, so nobody on the site says one thing to you on one account thinking it won't get to the person operating the other account, or hearing something twice and taking the second statement as independent verification of the first, then I've no problem with the multiplicity of personae.

As an aside, I have never written anywhere at any time “Cockroaches have no rights”, not about you and not about anyone else.

Post by **spot** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:46 am

SnoozeAgain;1368270 wrote: [QUOTE=jones jones]

... You used (abused?) your position to access personal information about me, such as my real name and address, to put pressure on me, even though when I joined FG at that time I was assured that my privacy would be respected. In fact I still wonder if I shouldn't take this matter further...I'd like to hear more about this.

Perhaps I should clarify. JJ posted examples of his fictional writing (which, incidentally, give insight into his cross-gender multiplicity of voices) onto FG. Googling them leads to other sites where he posted the same material under his own name giving his home address, phone number and occupation. I just checked, it's all still there and none of it requires privileged access to FG. Guests can perform the search as easily as members or moderators.

How this involves my "position" I'm not sure but I think JJ's merely trying to spread a little mud despite an absence of dirt.

If JJ's unaware of any web page where he's posted his personal details, I'd be quite happy to add a link to the thread at his request.

Post by **jones jones** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:50 am

spot;1368358 wrote: Just bear in mind that you invited me to do it, okay.

Is the "Lady J" account using a domestic service? By no means. The "Lady J" account is using [forename removed by moderator]'s company's unfirewalled Head Office Windows Server 2003 with a login account over an unsecured unmonitored point to point port, and I bet [forename removed by moderator]'s company knows nothing at all about it. Bear in mind that, if challenged, I'm involved enough to email his Executive Vice President of Operations and ask her.

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443/tcp open ssl/http Microsoft IIS httpd 6.0

1723/tcp open pptp Microsoft (Firmware: 3790)

3389/tcp open microsoft-rdp Microsoft Terminal Service

And, despite it being in an office building where no self-respecting staff would be sat after dark, the "Lady J" account has been banging out posts at times when most good local citizens would be curled up in bed. Though not most good South African citizens several continents away - the post times (just like last time) map onto the post times of the JJ account.

The one absolute demand I put on the members' use of ForumGarden years ago still stands: no proxy access. I said it because of the mayhem you and RJ were causing. Now, do you want me to close your "Lady J" account or do you want to try rationalizing matters and coming to an agreement on an open policy about personae? I have nothing against declared multiple accounts in principle but I'm not going to tolerate this repetitive prima donna look-at-me grandstanding when it's based on a deliberate conscious lie.

Here's what I wrote and got no answer to. You might like to respond directly to it.You've demonstrated with three proven past instances so far that you enjoy posting from a woman's perspective on ForumGarden. With each of those three accounts you've pretended to be someone other than JJ. Does it matter to you when posting with them that nobody knows you're JJ when using those accounts? Because from FG's perspective, as I wrote earlier, removing the "fooled you" side of the accounts is all it takes to have another. If each account is explicitly tied to you when it's started, so nobody on the site says one thing to you on one account thinking it won't get to the person operating the other account, or hearing something twice and taking the second statement as independent verification of the first, then I've no problem with the multiplicity of personae.

As an aside, I have never written anywhere at any time “Cockroaches have no rights”, not about you and not about anyone else.

I am at this moment rather busy so I cannot respond to your post right now. However I promise to reply in full to all the points you have raised as well as the allegations you have made little later.

Post by **spot** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:10 am

jones jones;1368361 wrote: I am at this moment rather busy so I cannot respond to your post right now. However I promise to reply in full to all the points you have raised as well as the allegations you have made little later.
You, JJ? Surely the right place to respond from is the Lady J account.

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 4:57 am

This is better than anything on TV right now.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:09 am

The FG reality show:

Who is who and what did they say when they were which?

Post by **jones jones** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:18 am

spot;1368362 wrote: You, JJ? Surely the right place to respond from is the Lady J account.

Very well Spot. I will leave it to BooBoo to respond.

"Just bear in mind that you invited me to do it, okay."

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:23 am

SnoozeAgain;1368369 wrote: This is better than anything on TV right now.

I agree :wah::wah:

Just for the record... how do we stand on Moderators here getting your home address and then googling you on google earth to look at your house and where you live?

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:38 am

YZGI;1368378 wrote: The FG reality show:

Who is who and what did they say when they were which?

I've been suspicious of you for years now..

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:44 am

flopstock;1368385 wrote: I've been suspicious of you for years now..

:yh_rotfl Which of me?

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:15 am

What's that about fury and wrath and women? JJ'll be in full garb for this one.

Lady J · Post by **Lady J** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:39 am

SnoozeAgain;1368369 wrote: This is better than anything on TV right now.

Hahahaha! That is good SnoozeAgain ~ I like your humor!

Get ready....the next episode is about to begin!

Lady J

Post by **spot** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:44 am

It's more like The Great Becoming than anything else. Do you benchpress, Lady J?

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:53 am

Pass the popcorn, please!

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:56 am

Lady J;1368429 wrote: Hahahaha! That is good SnoozeAgain ~ I like your humor!

Get ready....the next episode is about to begin!

Lady JYou've got JJ's balls, that's for sure.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:05 pm

oscar;1368383 wrote: I agree :wah::wah:

Just for the record... how do we stand on Moderators here getting your home address and then googling you on google earth to look at your house and where you live?

I did that purely on the bleeped out details you put up about the school you live next to because I was interested in the problems you were describing - the list of schools on the council's website provided the school's post code.

No idea how I'd go about getting your home address from the Mod Panel - would you ever have provided a home address to FG? I'm fairly sure I've not.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:12 pm

Bryn Mawr;1368449 wrote: I did that purely on the bleeped out details you put up about the school you live next to because I was interested in the problems you were describing - the list of schools on the council's website provided the school's post code.

No idea how I'd go about getting your home address from the Mod Panel - would you ever have provided a home address to FG? I'm fairly sure I've not. Bryn, In no way was I refering to you In that post you have quoted.

Quite the opposite... I have absolutely no problem with you exploring the bleeped out address's In the Interest of the newspaper article I quoted In my thread. I have no worries about that at all. I know you have Integrity.

My point re: the post you quoted will be better explained In my new thread 'Moderators, Is this right'...and refered to another ex mod here obtaining my home address.

Post by **jones jones** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:12 pm

Well I see we're havin' a hot time in the old town tonight! :guitarist All thats missing are a few of the old gang and it would be just like old times! Awesome! :driving:

Lady J · Post by **Lady J** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:46 pm

Spot….I will accept your challenge to email the Vice President of [forename removed by moderator]’s company, as a matter of fact; I Dare you, I DOUBLE DARE YOU.

Lady J

Lady J · Post by **Lady J** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:57 pm

When you mail you will get me, yours truly Lady J and then you can report back how wrong you are about Jj and I, at which time I will demand an apologize to Jj for accusing him of having a "fooled you" account and to me for blatantly listing my company's information.

Lady J · Post by **Lady J** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:00 pm

I understand that the type of information you have posted in the thread is accessible however you have just shoved it under the nose of the entire world wide web ~ MY Company’s information.

Lady J · Post by **Lady J** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:06 pm

I am only posting these in separate replies cuz each time I post my entire response I get kicked out by the FG server. Bryn told me it does that sometime...interesting that FG has a server...just like mine

Lady J · Post by **Lady J** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:10 pm

As far as who I am I will say I am an American and I am located on the east coast of the United States. I am a self-employed business woman and all of my correspondences go thru my servers. No one, no forums have ever had a problem with this. I bet this news really boils your blood as I have notice in the tag lines ‘in capital letters’ are the words…”SPOT HATES AMERICA.” It has to really turn your stomach when an American, especially a woman is right and YOU are wrong!

Lady J · Post by **Lady J** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:12 pm

In regards to what Jj might have done in the past; has he not stated he made mistakes and has learned from them?

He is a much better man then you Spot, cuz at least he can admit when he was/is wrong and learn from it.

You are DEAD WRONG on this one Spot; so do you have the manliness to admit it or shall we argue this for eternity?

The challenge…email the Executive Vice President of Operations and ask her. I am waiting.

Lady J

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:21 pm

psst! Spot's not here at the moment. You're getting yourself all worked up to the point that you're beginning to ague with yourself. Relax, Spot always admits if or when he's made mistakes. FWIW, jj picked this fight and Spot tried to avoid it.

Post by **jones jones** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:03 pm

Ahso!;1368529 wrote: psst! Spot's not here at the moment. You're getting yourself all worked up to the point that you're beginning to ague with yourself. Relax, Spot always admits if or when he's made mistakes. FWIW, jj picked this fight and Spot tried to avoid it.

FWIW, jj picked this fight and Spot tried to avoid it.[/QUOTE]

For what its worth both I and Lady J repeatedly told Spot on this very thread that we were two different people. He chose to believe otherwise. That is his right. I await his apology with great anticipation.

Post by **spot** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:01 am

Lady J;1368525 wrote: I understand that the type of information you have posted in the thread is accessible however you have just shoved it under the nose of the entire world wide web ~ MY Company’s information.

It's now 10am local time. Your spate of postings stretched from 4am to 4.30am, a time when reasonably enough I was not online.

On a point of information, I've posted no identifying information regarding that server and was careful not to. The selected four lines relating to some of its services are common to many Windows Server 2003 systems and there's a lot of them about, though very few in domestic settings.

I shall, as you suggest, email the office and report back. Since my email is likely to be otherwise masked by spam I'll give it a subject of "spot enquiry" to make it more easily findable.

As far as who I am I will say I am an American and I am located on the east coast of the United StatesThat's not what you say in your profile. Your profile has you claiming to live in South Africa. I think sometimes you forget who you've said you are. The profile claim set off all sorts of alarm bells on FG, I'll tell you.

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 4:09 am

Can't you hook up an alarm or something? It'd go off every time "spot" is typed here and you could get up to see if you should reply.

Post by **spot** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 4:23 am

Some of us - the good guys like thee and me - have a life. And even thine I have my doubts about on occasion.

I have better things to do in bed than answer new posts.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 4:24 am

Stand back there please..........unless you are a officially designated corner man.

Keep this area clear, we don't want any innocent bystanders hurt when it kicks offSnoozeAgain;1368553 wrote: Can't you hook up an alarm or something? It'd go off every time "spot" is typed here and you could get up to see if you should reply.

Post by **spot** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:32 am

spot wrote: Bryn thinks I've barked up the wrong tree. I'm interested to see how it pans out. JJ has a track record of convincing real live online flesh and blood women to fixate on him for a while, maybe she's real after all. The Kittypaws and Nicky Daniells and Cycas and Tristan's Mom accounts were fakes, JJ's subsequently said so. So Lady J? Any bets?

Oh poo.

Do what you did last time, Bryn said. Look at the post times properly instead of making assumptions. And he sent me a spreadsheet with the times in.

I've stripped it down to just the workday posts, to remove odd weekend behaviour, and only listed posts since LJ started on site.

The plot on the left is JJ, the plot on the right is LJ, the times up the side are local South Africa times, the gradient merely shows how many posts are involved so forget the gradient.

JJ on the left starts posting at 11am and ends just after 11pm local time. He has a minor postburst when he knocks off for lunch, gets back home just after 5pm, the line's explicable.

Lady J isn't in South Africa. That right-hand line only makes sense if you timeshift it 6 hours to East Coast USA time, when the account starts posting around 8am and hammers on sometimes until 2am with a three-hour timeout after 6pm. If nothing else, JJ doesn't have the stamina these days for that schedule.

Balls. Okay, Lady J is a real poster.

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Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:52 am

Holy moly. And you were questioning me about having a life after you just expended that much time and energy into your little investigation? LOL

Post by **spot** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:59 am

Thirty minutes, the chart business. And what I get from it is practice at manipulating dates and times in a spreadsheet.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:27 am

All's not awash, perhaps now JJ can feel as though he's won one and therefore move beyond trying to pick fights and begin posting in a mature, thoughtful manner. We'll see, us "earthlings".

Post by **spot** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:39 am

Lady J;1368523 wrote: When you mail you will get me, yours truly Lady J and then you can report back how wrong you are about Jj and I, at which time I will demand an apologize to Jj for accusing him of having a "fooled you" account and to me for blatantly listing my company's information.
For the record, she's quite right about answering the enquiry email. JJ's count of identified "fooled you" proxy registrations on ForumGarden remains at a mere four, "Lady J" not being one of them.

If you feel anything in the thread is capable of identifying your company's domain tell me and I'll delete it. From what I can see there's nothing here that could enable anyone to backtrack to you.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:43 am

Ahso!;1368570 wrote: All's not awash, perhaps now JJ can feel as though he's won one and therefore move beyond trying to pick fights and begin posting in a mature, thoughtful manner. We'll see, us "earthlings".
:wah:Is that irony?

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:46 am

YZGI;1368574 wrote: :wah:Is that irony?OMG, you're right! I give, JJ, I give! I take it back!

Post by **jones jones** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:00 am

So, all things considered, I do believe I have earned the right sum up what has happened since I posted this thread on 4 September.

Unlike many, I take little pleasure from seeing a fellow earthling make an ass of themselves. In this case “ass” as in donkey for those who speak the Queen’s English and “ass” as in posterior for Americans would might read this.

For those who might not have followed George Lucas saga Star Wars, one of the most annoying critters in the galaxy, Salacious B. Crumb was the favored jester in the court of Jabba the Hutt. This guy had a habit of breaking into a nerve-wracking cackle whenever the mood struck his flighty little brain. The reason I mention him will become clear soon.

My thread at this point made no disparaging remarks about any Member of Forum Garden. Whilst a couple of the first replies contained the usual amount of sarcasm, Spot decided to put his oar in and bring up Multiple Personae. After a few more posts he again brought up this point.

Lady J then told Spot that she was a real poster and NOT me. In post #22, Ahso playing “Salacious B. Crumb” jumped in here in defence of Spot. I again stated that I was not Lady J and again S.B.C. made a sarcastic remark. And once again Lady J says she is not Jj.

Here Spot, firmly convinced that he is right, throws me a crumb (not Ahso). “You and Lady J should banish yourselves to the crevices,” he states graciously, “and make less noise or I will be forced to act!!”

I refuse to take his advice and for the umpteenth time I reiterate that I am NOT Lady J. Spot then calls me a liar right here on this thread in front of everyone by saying:

“… I have nothing against declared multiple accounts in principle but I'm not going to tolerate this repetitive prima donna look-at-me grandstanding when it's based on a deliberate conscious lie.”

Then yesterday Lady J invites, no double dares Spot to e-mail the Executive Vice-President of the Company whose server he accuses me of using after hours! Now thats quite a nasty allegation! Naughty Spot. Here S.B.C. speaks out on Spot’s behalf and tells Lady J that this guy ALWAYS admits if he’s made a mistake.

Finally in post #84 we have Spot’s pièce de résistance.

“Oh Poo!” he exclaims, then obviously rather miffed that he has to do it, first waffles a bit, including making a statement about moi The Chosen’s lack of stamina. What a damn cheek!

Then the apology … “Balls. – Okay Lady J is a real poster.”

Salacious B. Crumb, feeling he should come out in support, posts some advice for me then posts: “ … perhaps now JJ can feel as though he's won one and therefore move beyond trying to pick fights and begin posting in a mature, thoughtful manner. We'll see us "earthlings".

Tsk … tsk. Oh S.B.C! You are a silly billy!

Oh and Spot, who the f...k were Cycas and Tristan's Mom? Cos they sure as hell weren't me!

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:07 am

I strongly disagree, Jar Jar Binks was the most annoying Star Wars character.

theia · Post by **theia** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:17 am

jones jones;1368631 wrote: Oh and Spot, who the f...k were Cycas and Tristan's Mom? Cos they sure as hell weren't me!

Are you saying that you were Kittypaws and Nicky Daniells?

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:18 am

No disrespect to Star Wars, but I'm a Matrix fan myself. May I refer to you as "The One" from here on out? Thank you so much for exposing the evil Spot for what he really is. I'm devastated and felling a little verklempt! Talk amongst yourselves!

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:22 am

Ahso!;1368635 wrote: No disrespect to Star Wars, but I'm a Matrix fan myself. May I refer to you as "The One" from here on out? Thank you so much for exposing the evil Spot for what he really is. I'm devastated and felling a little verklempt! Talk amongst yourselves!

Is that some kind of dumpling?

Post by **jones jones** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:24 am

theia;1368634 wrote: Are you saying that you were Kittypaws and Nicky Daniells?

Of course ... Why would I lie to you O High Priestess? They're both characters from my novels.

Post by **jones jones** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:25 am

Ahso!;1368635 wrote: No disrespect to Star Wars, but I'm a Matrix fan myself. May I refer to you as "The One" from here on out? Thank you so much for exposing the evil Spot for what he really is. I'm devastated and felling a little verklempt! Talk amongst yourselves!

Please feel free to express yourself in any way you wish. It is your right.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:28 am

SnoozeAgain;1368637 wrote: Is that some kind of dumpling?You poor deprived person.

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Post by **spot** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:31 am

jones jones;1368638 wrote: Of course ... Why would I lie to you O High Priestess? They're both characters from my novels.

Given 1: your history of fake gender-switch accounts and proxy abuse, and 2: Lady J profiling herself in the South Africa timezone and coyly refusing to say initially whether she was there or not, and 3: the commercial US server she was tunnelling through, I don't think my challenge was entirely unreasonable. It turns out to have been wrong. I'm not sure I mind being wrong sometimes, it all adds grist.

Tristan was a dead character from another of your short stories. You created the Tristan's Mom account to persuade some posters here that the story was true. Perhaps you forget. You have this gruesome tendency to make out that your fiction is reportage.

Oh. eta: Cycas. An account that never posted but you used to PM with on occasion after you requested the deletion of your JJ account and all its posts. It has your raw IP address all over it. I'd be hard pressed to show it was used with a female persona, that's a guess on my part.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:46 am

Are you going to stubbornly continue with your apparent coup attempt, Jones?