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koan;1350309 wrote: Be aware I'm not recommending the assassination of anything soapy or round like.


I was really looking forward to popping basketballs too.

Don't get me wrong. Burst anything that gets in your way. Just don't say I told you to.

spot;1350206 wrote: That's worth following up - may we have some references and quotes please?


YouTube - Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords Talks Palin Cross Hairs

gmc;1350331 wrote: YouTube - Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords Talks Palin Cross Hairs


I don't think yopu can blame sarah palin but if she has helped create a climate of fear of violence and one where violent acts on someone with a different viewpoint are acceptable - even just punching someone you disagree with - then she and the tea party do carry some blame imo. Terrorism is not just about actual acts of violence it's also about making people fearful to speak out - try asking someone from Norhern Ireland that was actively involved in the peace movement or indeed whether iain paisley and gerry adams are equally culpable.

You have religious groups in the states that preach hatred is OK and that condone terrorism against anti-abortion clinics, why not blame them?

spot;1350216 wrote: And a tweet, firmly on topic, from the one and only Michael Moore:If a Detroit Muslim put a map on the web w/crosshairs on 20 pols, then 1 of them got shot, where would he b sitting right now? Just asking.He'd be sitting at home, assuming that the Detroit Muslim was a partisan pundit pointing out where his party should focus their efforts, especially if the shooter was a resident of the victim's district with a history predating the posting of the map ... and that the Detroit Muslim had nothing better to do than to sit at home.

gmc;1350336 wrote: I don't think yopu can blame sarah palin but if she has helped create a climate of fear of violence and one where violent acts on someone with a different viewpoint are acceptable - even just punching someone you disagree with - then she and the tea party do carry some blame imo.
So does President Obama bear equal blame?

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,”

Accountable;1350340 wrote: So does President Obama bear equal blame?

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,”


Moot point isn't it? It's perhaps a discussion you need to have, probably be more constructive if you can keep away from I'm right and you're wrong type of arguments. It's a particularly american problem. I notice giffords herself, in that you tube link I posted, refers to it as being from both sides. It's a truism, I think, that if you always speak and act in an aggressive manner you will meet with aggression right back at you. An angry word gets an angry response an incitement to violence or use of violent language by respected individuals will always be taken as sanction of violence by somebody.

Who do you blame for suicide bombers? The bombers themselves, the religious fanatics that persuaded them to do it or the provocation they feel has left them with no choice but to die for god? Would you let them plead insanity? In our culture suicide is not seen as a rational choice in most circumstances.

At the end of the day the one responsible in loughner, why he did it will be interesting to find out. If he pleads insanity and claims right wing rhetoric twisted his mind it should be very interesting.

posted by baghdad bob

The leftist lunatic was following the advice of his fearless leader:


If he was a leftist lunatic why didn't he shoot the governer? Did she not allow people to die by withdrawing funding for transplants or something similar? One of the realtives shooting her in revenge would at least have made some kind of sense.

The latest group of nutcases to join the fray:

Westboro Baptist Church To Picket Funerals Of Arizona Shooting Victims

LarsMac;1350356 wrote: The latest group of nutcases to join the fray:You're just not trying hard enough to understand their position, they're not "nutcases" at all, their mistake (if they make one) is taking logic to its extreme. The USA elected the Antichrist as its President in 2008 (see, for example, www.beastobama.com) and consequently "God appointed this rod for your sins!", "God is avenging Himself on this rebellious house!" and "Your doom is upon you!". You might disagree but you have no good reason to say they're nutcases. They're just not willing to find common ground with anyone that isn't one of them, a lesson they learn daily from both Democrats and Republicans.

spot;1350358 wrote: You're just not trying hard enough to understand their position, they're not "nutcases" at all, their mistake (if they make one) is taking logic to its extreme. The USA elected the Antichrist as its President in 2008 (see, for example, Antichrist Beast Obama) and consequently "God appointed this rod for your sins!", "God is avenging Himself on this rebellious house!" and "Your doom is upon you!". You might disagree but you have no good reason to say they're nutcases. They're just not willing to find common ground with anyone that isn't one of them, a lesson they learn daily from both Democrats and Republicans.
The Westboro Babtist church was doing this long before Obama was elected. They are more anti-homosexual than anything else, they just try to find the most shocking events too spread their anti homosexual propaganda.

YZGI;1350362 wrote: The Westboro Babtist church was doing this long before Obama was elected. They are more anti-homosexual than anything else, they just try to find the most shocking events too spread their anti homosexual propaganda.


I suspect, though I'd not swear to it, that they don't like Commies either.

spot;1350363 wrote: I suspect, though I'd not swear to it, that they don't like Commies either.


I don't know, I'd have to check but I have never heard them spew hate about Cuba or China, just Homosexuals. They are a small fringe group just looking for events that are polarizing to spew their anti-homosexual rhetoric.

YZGI;1350364 wrote: I don't know, I'd have to check but I have never heard them spew hate about Cuba or China, just Homosexuals. They are a small fringe group just looking for events that are polarizing to spew their anti-homosexual rhetoric.


Westboro Baptist Church: "Thank God for the Great Killer Earthquake" - Shanghaiist

Though I did just correct the Wikipedia article, it originally said "Chinese Communists" but the WBC flyer actually only says Chinese. Wikipedia being where I got the notion that they didn't like Commies. Maybe I did WBC an injustice.

eta: I concede. It's the Chinese woofters they're complaining about...

"godless, filthy, sodomite China" - "that evil nation, awash with the sins of Sodom" - http://shanghaiist.com/2008/05/08/westb ... ympics.php

Accountable;1350340 wrote: So does President Obama bear equal blame?

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,”


That's a fairly well-known joke from a movie (just like a wop to bring a knife to a gunfight).

The right wing has been way over-the-top as far as violent rhetoric goes. If you watch fox news, you would think that Obama is a terrorist muslim who's dismantling the constitution. You'd be scared of the republican health care bill, and think that it's a soviet plot. And according to Glen Beck, Obama is also a Nazi.

Looks like the donks have their own target map.



Also, stories coming out that the political hack donk sheriff failed to act on threats by this left wingnut.

good stuff

Newsvine - Giffords Shooting Suspect Had Made Death Threats Before

RPT-Arizona suspect had made death threats-sheriff | Reuters

I thought "mouthing some rhetoric that is quite reminiscent of the anti-government movement" was codespeak for redneck survivalist anti-federal militia supporter, Bob?

spot;1350409 wrote: I thought "mouthing some rhetoric that is quite reminiscent of the anti-government movement" was codespeak for redneck survivalist anti-federal militia supporter, Bob?


You thought wrong. Start reading. More study hall for you.The kid is a nihilistic leftist. I dunno why that's so hard to understand.

BaghdadBob;1350458 wrote: You thought wrong.


Sorry spot you don't win the grand prize, the wheel stopped on bankrupt, you were close but went over the actual price, you hit a whammy, you were zonked because you chose to deal your big box for curtain number 2, and you go straight to jail do not pass go do not collect 200$.

Oh don't forget to add you rolled a 1 on your D20 and the Zombies killed you, you know have to make a new character or wait for another character to ressurect you.

BaghdadBob;1350458 wrote: [quote=spot]I thought "mouthing some rhetoric that is quite reminiscent of the anti-government movement" was codespeak for redneck survivalist anti-federal militia supporter, Bob?You thought wrong. Start reading. More study hall for you.The kid is a nihilistic leftist. I dunno why that's so hard to understand.


Ah. And Timothy McVeigh was a nihilistic leftist. Now I understand where you're coming from.

Your choice of Baghdad Bob as your username was inspired, I'm impressed.

It's physics I suppose. When a person stocks up on ammo and guns, and makes threatening remarks about taking down the government, or joins a militia, they are a freedom loving patriot. But when they actually put their money where their mouth is, and shoot someone, the quantum state collapses and they become a nihilistic leftist.

yaaarrrgg;1350512 wrote: It's physics I suppose. When a person stocks up on ammo and guns, and makes threatening remarks about taking down the government, or joins a militia, they are a freedom loving patriot. But when they actually put their money where their mouth is, and shoot someone, the quantum state collapses and they become a nihilistic leftist.


quantum physics like dark matter and big bang type physics