Peter Lake;1315231 wrote: You say a fox has been filmed growling on you tube. Is this the you tube film you are refering to?
YouTube - a fox growling
Either my eyesight is failing or i fail to see any actual film only sound. You'll also notice that the voices are American and if it's a fox it's likely to be a sub species of the British fox and that of which we're disputing. There is almost nil film evidence of what the fox is growling at, if it's a fox. If it is a fox it's most likely growling at another but here we're talking about fox growling at humans not each other.
The only other you tube evidence of a fox growling is within a fox fur farm which is an entirely different enviroment with fox caged in close proximity to each other in alien surroundings to their usual habitat. Any growling would be between each other and the dispute is over British urban fox growling in the street at humans not each other.
that's not the one.:rolleyes:
How many days now have you spent on this, youtube, phones calls, refusing to believe some do indeed growl?
find it yourself, it's there, I have way more important things to do.:wah:
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Odie;1315244 wrote: refusing to believe some do indeed growl?
There's stuff (from the UK) about foxes growling (at humans) all over the place. Saying they don't is to put oneself in an untenable position. Shrug.
There's stuff (from the UK) about foxes growling (at humans) all over the place. Saying they don't is to put oneself in an untenable position. Shrug.
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Bill Sikes;1315248 wrote: There's stuff (from the UK) about foxes growling (at humans) all over the place. Saying they don't is to put oneself in an untenable position. Shrug.
I give up!:yh_rotfl
I've spent way to much time on this for someone who just refuses to believe.:rolleyes:
I give up!:yh_rotfl
I've spent way to much time on this for someone who just refuses to believe.:rolleyes:
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Peter Lake;1315234 wrote: Get you banned?
Yes. You threatened to do so before:
Peter Lake;1314524 wrote: can you stop baiting or i'll have no choice but to join the few here who report any post that offends their feelings?
And now you're shedding more slime:
Peter Lake;1315234 wrote: Really Bill, not only do i sense a tad of narcissism but also a touch of paranoia complex.
You don't debate at all so when you claim that you can only put the corect one forward, you rarely post links or imformation that backs up any of your claims leading the reader no option but to assume you're merely stating opinion. That opinion is no different to any opinion given on a forum yet your obnoxious in the extreme to anyone who doesn't share your opinion. That i believe isn't what a forum is for. Not everyone has the hours in the day to research before posting and writes their opinion but i've seen many a members opinion trampled on here and then we wonder why the posts are far and few between. If you think i'm stating something that's incorrect then the appropriate behaviour would be to show me a link to prove otherwise instead of the bile of which you emit. Given that only days ago you stated my wife often posted that she was closing her account and that i usually wrote in upper case, both incorrect and of which you've shown no evidence of, then it's not surprising that i pay little attention to your opinions. When you make such ridiculous unfounded claims, it's no wonder you have little interaction with others on this forum.
I'm not bothered what you think; however this sort of slagging demeans you.
Yes. You threatened to do so before:
Peter Lake;1314524 wrote: can you stop baiting or i'll have no choice but to join the few here who report any post that offends their feelings?
And now you're shedding more slime:
Peter Lake;1315234 wrote: Really Bill, not only do i sense a tad of narcissism but also a touch of paranoia complex.
You don't debate at all so when you claim that you can only put the corect one forward, you rarely post links or imformation that backs up any of your claims leading the reader no option but to assume you're merely stating opinion. That opinion is no different to any opinion given on a forum yet your obnoxious in the extreme to anyone who doesn't share your opinion. That i believe isn't what a forum is for. Not everyone has the hours in the day to research before posting and writes their opinion but i've seen many a members opinion trampled on here and then we wonder why the posts are far and few between. If you think i'm stating something that's incorrect then the appropriate behaviour would be to show me a link to prove otherwise instead of the bile of which you emit. Given that only days ago you stated my wife often posted that she was closing her account and that i usually wrote in upper case, both incorrect and of which you've shown no evidence of, then it's not surprising that i pay little attention to your opinions. When you make such ridiculous unfounded claims, it's no wonder you have little interaction with others on this forum.
I'm not bothered what you think; however this sort of slagging demeans you.
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Odie;1315244 wrote: that's not the one.:rolleyes:
How many days now have you spent on this, youtube, phones calls, refusing to believe some do indeed growl?
find it yourself, it's there, I have way more important things to do.:wah:
Then why not just post the one you saw? Or is that too difficult?
I have not spent my time researching to establish weather a British fox growls at old ladies out shopping but to find a probable cause of the attack in London because we are ourselves involved in fox rescue and have been for many years. The growling debate was only part of which was being discussed here.
I don't think you do have better things to do, do you? I don't seem to have the time you spend sending messages or the amount of forums your on every day and i certainly don't have enough hours in a day to ponder words ending in s or what the last thing in my mouth was.
See? Even your winking is catching on.
How many days now have you spent on this, youtube, phones calls, refusing to believe some do indeed growl?
find it yourself, it's there, I have way more important things to do.:wah:
Then why not just post the one you saw? Or is that too difficult?
I have not spent my time researching to establish weather a British fox growls at old ladies out shopping but to find a probable cause of the attack in London because we are ourselves involved in fox rescue and have been for many years. The growling debate was only part of which was being discussed here.
I don't think you do have better things to do, do you? I don't seem to have the time you spend sending messages or the amount of forums your on every day and i certainly don't have enough hours in a day to ponder words ending in s or what the last thing in my mouth was.
See? Even your winking is catching on.
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Bill Sikes;1315248 wrote: There's stuff (from the UK) about foxes growling (at humans) all over the place. Saying they don't is to put oneself in an untenable position. Shrug.
If you bothered to read my reply to Mustang, you'll have read that i stood corrected that a British fox emits a low growl as part of fox dialogue. The rspca are in agreement that foxes growling at humans is something that's not commonplace and their staff have not reported as such. Fox growling in America is not indicitive of your average urban on the streets of London. Now, as i've bothered to contact one of the rspca heads and obtained their advice, instead of you just making a comment, why not actually find some links or evidence of urban fox growling in Britain and post them up because all we have now is your say so as you do mine as maybe then you'll earn some credibility.
If you bothered to read my reply to Mustang, you'll have read that i stood corrected that a British fox emits a low growl as part of fox dialogue. The rspca are in agreement that foxes growling at humans is something that's not commonplace and their staff have not reported as such. Fox growling in America is not indicitive of your average urban on the streets of London. Now, as i've bothered to contact one of the rspca heads and obtained their advice, instead of you just making a comment, why not actually find some links or evidence of urban fox growling in Britain and post them up because all we have now is your say so as you do mine as maybe then you'll earn some credibility.
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Just to add my four pennyworth. All the Youtube examples that I have found have proved inconclusive. There is one film of a fox doing a 'call', which may be mistaken for a growl, and in fact it was entitled 'Fox growling' which was incorrect. :rolleyes:
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Peter Lake;1315228 wrote: I wa delighted that this afternoon one of the heads of the British rspca took the time and trouble to phone me back and we chatted for some time over many aspects of the fox. I told her of your experience and she was in no doubt that you'd had a fox growl in north America due to sub species yet this is what she told me. The British red and urban do emit a low bearing growl between each other that is very low frequency and bearly audible to humans. The only time this growl is used is between fox and she has not heard of fox growling at humans in the street here. The growling is a dialogue between fox and used for example when a alpha dog or alpha vixen is warning another away from the territory. In all the many thousands of rescue's that they undertake, no staff have ever reported being growled at, just hissing.
Your rescue was a noble act but we don't have rabies here so the wife is quite at home with dragging one out by the scruff although she's been bitten at times from the ungrateful. I stand corrected that our red and urban do emit this low frequency growl between each other but stand by my claim that for a fox to growl at a human in the street is unheard of.
It's a fair statement, that a fox does growl. And I'm sure you do realize, any wild animal is capable of growling at another animal or a human, under certain circumstances, in any Country. The only way, is to have it happen to oneself to become a believer and not rely on what the so called experts say. I've known many of those "experts" who never get out into the field and learn from "hands on" experience.
It's also fair to say we can agree to disagree that Britian's fox are different from the fox in the USA. To me, a fox is a fox no matter where it resides.
Your rescue was a noble act but we don't have rabies here so the wife is quite at home with dragging one out by the scruff although she's been bitten at times from the ungrateful. I stand corrected that our red and urban do emit this low frequency growl between each other but stand by my claim that for a fox to growl at a human in the street is unheard of.
It's a fair statement, that a fox does growl. And I'm sure you do realize, any wild animal is capable of growling at another animal or a human, under certain circumstances, in any Country. The only way, is to have it happen to oneself to become a believer and not rely on what the so called experts say.
I've known many of those "experts" who never get out into the field and learn from "hands on" experience.It's also fair to say we can agree to disagree that Britian's fox are different from the fox in the USA. To me, a fox is a fox no matter where it resides.
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Get back to me when the great growling fox debate of the year of our lord 2010 is finally decided.
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Mustang;1315287 wrote: It's a fair statement, that a fox does growl. And I'm sure you do realize, any wild animal is capable of growling at another animal or a human, under certain circumstances, in any Country. The only way, is to have it happen to oneself to become a believer and not rely on what the so called experts say. I've known many of those "experts" who never get out into the field and learn from "hands on" experience.
It's also fair to say we can agree to disagree that Britian's fox are different from the fox in the USA. To me, a fox is a fox no matter where it resides. It's a confusing field given that some claim the red fox is a unique species with up to fourty eight sub species while others claim they all belong in the same group.
The people i've spoken to and certainly the wife are out there hands on although i agree many experts do no more than sit behind a desk.
To get back to topic, there's much speculation of why the fox attacked in London and i asked the authority today what her personal opinion was and she seemed more inclined to believe that it was a very young fox confusing the smell of milk or possibly that the fox wasn't right but i suppose we'll never know.
I've known many of those "experts" who never get out into the field and learn from "hands on" experience.It's also fair to say we can agree to disagree that Britian's fox are different from the fox in the USA. To me, a fox is a fox no matter where it resides. It's a confusing field given that some claim the red fox is a unique species with up to fourty eight sub species while others claim they all belong in the same group.
The people i've spoken to and certainly the wife are out there hands on although i agree many experts do no more than sit behind a desk.
To get back to topic, there's much speculation of why the fox attacked in London and i asked the authority today what her personal opinion was and she seemed more inclined to believe that it was a very young fox confusing the smell of milk or possibly that the fox wasn't right but i suppose we'll never know.
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G#Gill;1315273 wrote: Just to add my four pennyworth. All the Youtube examples that I have found have proved inconclusive. There is one film of a fox doing a 'call', which may be mistaken for a growl, and in fact it was entitled 'Fox growling' which was incorrect. :rolleyes:
Your four pennyworth is most welcome Gill.
Your four pennyworth is most welcome Gill.
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YZGI;1315289 wrote: Get back to me when the great growling fox debate of the year of our lord 2010 is finally decided.
:wah: It's over!
Back on topic: any updates on how the twin baby girls are doing?
:wah: It's over!
Back on topic: any updates on how the twin baby girls are doing?
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G#Gill;1315273 wrote: Just to add my four pennyworth. All the Youtube examples that I have found have proved inconclusive. There is one film of a fox doing a 'call', which may be mistaken for a growl, and in fact it was entitled 'Fox growling' which was incorrect. :rolleyes:
then you missed it, it doesn't say growling on it.:rolleyes:
then you missed it, it doesn't say growling on it.:rolleyes:
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Peter Lake;1315269 wrote: Then why not just post the one you saw? Or is that too difficult?
I have not spent my time researching to establish weather a British fox growls at old ladies out shopping but to find a probable cause of the attack in London because we are ourselves involved in fox rescue and have been for many years. The growling debate was only part of which was being discussed here.
I don't think you do have better things to do, do you? I don't seem to have the time you spend sending messages or the amount of forums your on every day and i certainly don't have enough hours in a day to ponder words ending in s or what the last thing in my mouth was.
See? Even your winking is catching on.
whatever!:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
I have not spent my time researching to establish weather a British fox growls at old ladies out shopping but to find a probable cause of the attack in London because we are ourselves involved in fox rescue and have been for many years. The growling debate was only part of which was being discussed here.
I don't think you do have better things to do, do you? I don't seem to have the time you spend sending messages or the amount of forums your on every day and i certainly don't have enough hours in a day to ponder words ending in s or what the last thing in my mouth was.
See? Even your winking is catching on.
whatever!:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
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Odie;1315293 wrote: then you missed it, it doesn't say growling on it.:rolleyes:
Then why don't you copy the 'http' and paste it on here, so we can all see it?:-5
Then why don't you copy the 'http' and paste it on here, so we can all see it?:-5
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G#Gill;1315295 wrote: Then why don't you copy the 'http' and paste it on here, so we can all see it?:-5
omg.......its called very angry little fox.
and.....as Mustang said........it's over!:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
omg.......its called very angry little fox.
and.....as Mustang said........it's over!:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
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Mustang;1315292 wrote: :wah: It's over!
Back on topic: any updates on how the twin baby girls are doing?
This came in this evening.
South Hackney Fox Attack Baby Lola Goes Home | Hackney Hive
Back on topic: any updates on how the twin baby girls are doing?
This came in this evening.
South Hackney Fox Attack Baby Lola Goes Home | Hackney Hive
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Odie;1315294 wrote: hmmmmmmmm you seem to think you know a lot about me eh?:yh_rotfl
the entirety is about fox's growling.:rolleyes:
When my wife gave me the tedious task of emptying her inbox for facebook, forum garden and private e mail i like to think i learnt a lot about you
the entirety is about fox's growling.:rolleyes:
When my wife gave me the tedious task of emptying her inbox for facebook, forum garden and private e mail i like to think i learnt a lot about you
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Peter Lake;1315298 wrote: When my wife gave me the tedious task of emptying her inbox for facebook, forum garden and private e mail i like to think i learnt a lot about you
Are you sure it's not your wife that's posting some of these, or is it just your spelling is terrible as well?
Are you sure it's not your wife that's posting some of these, or is it just your spelling is terrible as well?
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Odie;1315296 wrote: omg.......its called very angry little fox.
and.....as Mustang said........it's over!:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
You mean this film? That is hardly a growl. The fox is 'talking' to the cat, which is purring !
YouTube - Very angry little fox!
This is what I would call a growl and a snarl, by a wolf!
YouTube - Wolf Growl
and.....as Mustang said........it's over!:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
You mean this film? That is hardly a growl. The fox is 'talking' to the cat, which is purring !
YouTube - Very angry little fox!
This is what I would call a growl and a snarl, by a wolf!
YouTube - Wolf Growl
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