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koan wrote: Do you expect us to yell and cheer? What you did, IMO, was horrible. You judged him, assaulted him, and poisoned him. I will look to you no further for compassion or morals.I don't expect a damn thing from you! What HE did was horrible!!! He took two innocent lives, his wife's and his son's and basically said "Screw you, I'd rather go off and boink some other guy than be with the family I made." And I'm supposed to have compassion for this @$$hole? Let's turn it around, then Koan. If YOUR sister got humiliated this way, what would you do? Oh, I know, you'd probably go out and buy the guy flowers, right? Maybe write him a nice poem? Ya know what? DON'T look to me for compassion, don't look to me for morals. If I am so "beneath contempt" why do you even bother with me? You're not going to change me, and I'm not trying to change you. So, it's just a waste of your time.

BabyRider wrote: I would say that raising him with morals and honesty had a lot more to do with it than luck.


See this is just the bigot in you speaking again. You make no valid point.

koan wrote:

I bet he (would) be scared sh!tless to exhibit anything different if it was the case.


BabyRider wrote: Then you would lose. Try not to assume that you know THAT much more about my son than I do. The fact is, we have a very open line of communication and there are several things he sees very differently than I do. Just so happens that men sleeping with men being wrong is one thing we see the same.


You can not know that he would tell you if he was gay because apparently he is not. It is an unknown that can only be guessed at and the chances are in my favour.

koan wrote:

I'm not implying your son is gay. I'm trying to get through to you.


BabyRider wrote: Your efforts became futile when you assumed you knew something about my child, when in fact, you don't.


Obviously discussions involving our children are the most sensitive. This being the case, it is still the best example to use your own children in the hypothetical situation. You expected it and I didn't want to let you down.



koan wrote: You are not playing out the hypothetical scenario. To complete this excercise you have to imagine what you would do. You stopped loving your brother in law. BTW if your son is well aware of what happened with your brother in law you are teaching him to fear and/or hate homosexuality.


BabyRider wrote: "I object, your honor!!"

"On what grounds?"

"The question has been asked and answered. The witness has confessed she does not know what she would do, and this court cannot go on what may or may not happen."

"Sustained."


Ignorance is not a legitimate defense.

BabyRider wrote: How in THE HELL does him knowing what happened with the brother-in-law equate to me teaching him fear and hatred of gays? Exactly what planet did THAT far-fetched theory come from???


The planet Earth where there are lots of different types of people and we have been making an effort to increase tolerance and decrease hate crime. Welcome.

BabyRider wrote: I don't expect a damn thing from you! What HE did was horrible!!! He took two innocent lives, his wife's and his son's and basically said "Screw you, I'd rather go off and boink some other guy than be with the family I made." And I'm supposed to have compassion for this @$$hole? Let's turn it around, then Koan. If YOUR sister got humiliated this way, what would you do? Oh, I know, you'd probably go out and buy the guy flowers, right? Maybe write him a nice poem? Ya know what? DON'T look to me for compassion, don't look to me for morals. If I am so "beneath contempt" why do you even bother with me? You're not going to change me, and I'm not trying to change you. So, it's just a waste of your time.


I have a brother who was treated in a similar fashion but there were three children involved. I have not spoken to the woman again. Note that there was no violence involved. Also note that I uttered no harsh words against her. I offered advice to my brother and he was grateful.

She was not gay but she violated his and their children's happiness in a number of ways.

I "bother with you" because a) you are posting in a Religion Forum where I moderate b) because your opinion offends my sensibilities

BabyRider wrote:

As far as loving my brother-in-law, I did. Until he crushed my sister. Now he is #2 on my list of people I'd enjoy seeing dead.
if he had left your sister for another woman, would you want to see him less dead?

Wow, I thought I’d just post some news and see what the reaction was. People really get hot on this subject.

I’ve had problems with people of the same sex doing it for many years (45). I was solicited by men several times when I was young. I was offered a car to drive when I was 17, money when I was 14 and nothing but an aggressive attempt when I was 13. I never took the offers but the guy that offered money was successful with a neighbor kid.

I know Ted will get all worked up if I say I think God is opposed to men doing it with men, so let me put it this way… If you try to conduct electricity using two male ends of an extension cord you will get zapped. If you try to transfer water in a pipe you tried to hold together with two male ends you’ll get wet. If you stick you hand in a septic tank, there’s a good chance you’ll get sick. It just isn’t healthy. I’ve never heard of birds or bees using the wrong orifices. And why is it that when two men get together one of them takes on the role of a woman, imitating the right way to do things? It defies logic and basic common sense.

By the way, the 10% number Ted uses was planted by an activist who later admitted to doing it. The actual number is in the 2% range. The number has been rising though, with more solicitation and support from sympathizers.

David813 wrote: All gays are just like your brother in law. Hmmmm. I won't argue with a moderator but I think that is wrong. Plus your bible is not everyone's guide book. So keep it outta my face and we'll continue to get along despite our differences!
Sometimes you have to argue with the boss to let them know that you are not a pushover to their supposed power. You see he problems in the ditch that they can't see standing on the periphery. They know it is there. They just don't realize that this is the time that it is the problem.

BabyRider wrote: With the desired result being......what exactly? They'd probably snag it and cook it up for a snack.
I take it you know all about that stuff?

I think this php machine is broken because everytime that I try to get to a post that is in my mailbox I come up dry? It is almost like some secret power has been taking the words off the stage. God? Hello? God? Are you there?

Try telling that to all those defense attorneys out there who get their clients off by scamming the jury into believing they weren't responsible for their actions.

WHEW!!! Call me chicken, but I'm running like hell from this one!!! :yh_chickn

(why did the chicken cross the road? to get the hell away from this thread! )

Raven wrote: WHEW!!! Call me chicken, but I'm running like hell from this one!!! :yh_chickn

(why did the chicken cross the road? to get the hell away from this thread! )
Meet cha wherever it is at that you are going to where the chickens get to cross the road.

I'm getting in plenty enough trouble over in the politics section! :yh_bigsmi

koan wrote: Though I added it to my previous list for your sake let me say it again slowly. DO... YOU... HIDE... THE... FACT... THAT... YOU... ARE... A... BIKER? Do you walk around in public in cargo pants and a polo shirt? Do you save your bike for weekend joy rides? Are you unaware that some people don't like bikers? I personally know someone who wanted to throw a dead rat onto the Hell's Angel's clubhouse lot. As you have said already, Jesus said "let him without sin cast the first stone"Sometimes I am prudent regarding my lifestyle. I don't wear my "colors" every place that I go. And in fact, I do wear cargo pants and polo shirts to work as I am a supervisor at General Motors. I also have a Confederate flag patch, so I am awares not to wear that around African Americans, as they may find offense to it.



And I am very much aware that people don't like bikers. I was banned from a bar for being a biker. I was sitting there, reading a book and drinking a coke and eating a burger. Got tossed. Oh well.



As for your friend who wants to throw the rat. No biggie. They may take offense, but they will most likely shake their heads and laugh. Depends on the mood.



I don't get the scripture quote. What does that have to do with what you are saying. Are you trying to compare the biker community to the gay community? A little advise. I would not do that to the HA in person, so keep hiding behind your keyboard. It's amazing how a person can be "Holier than thou" from behind a keyboard.



Thanks for the reply. L8R

kensloft wrote: I take it you know all about that stuff?I guess you could say I have some experience in the biker lifestyle. I'm marrying one. :yh_eyerol



Koan, you can "bother with me" all you like. You can defend your position till we're both blue in the face. Nothing will change the fact that I don't like homosexuality. That offends you? You'll get over it, or you won't. It's just unfortunate that you weren't aware of my position on the subject before, because then neither of us would have wasted our time being friendly. You have been saying that everyone should be accepted no matter their beliefs or preferences. You preach tolerance. Apparently it's only tolerance for those who agree with you. I'm sorry we both wasted our time.

Clint wrote: It defies logic and basic common sense.




logic and common sense are not applicable to sexuality, or matters of the heart.

Bullet's view on homosexuality: I think it is discusting, unnatural and immoral. It is my opinion and I am entitled to it. You have the right to dis-agree and are entitled to your opinion. As long as it does not affect me personally, or this kind of behavior is not pushed at me or in my face, I could care less. You won't be answering to me when your days are done. This is a forum for discussion, and I like discussion and confrontation. But instead I get feable little minds trying to distort things to fit their pathetic excuses for lives. Unfortunately, those who started this thread have all tucked their tails between their legs and ran like some scared little chicken shits because they don't want to be called un-PC. So I have the brass ones and speak my mind. I will never ever post on another thread that concerns XXXXXXXX. I am done. To those who are offended, I bare my arse for ya to kiss, and those who are running from the thread and their own morals, there is a whole other cheek for ya. I am outta here.

Bullet wrote: Bullet's view on homosexuality: I think it is discusting, unnatural and immoral. It is my opinion and I am entitled to it. You have the right to dis-agree and are entitled to your opinion. As long as it does not affect me personally, or this kind of behavior is not pushed at me or in my face, I could care less. You won't be answering to me when your days are done. This is a forum for discussion, and I like discussion and confrontation. But instead I get feable little minds trying to distort things to fit their pathetic excuses for lives. Unfortunately, those who started this thread have all tucked their tails between their legs and ran like some scared little chicken shits because they don't want to be called un-PC. So I have the brass ones and speak my mind. I will never ever post on another thread that concerns XXXXXXXX. I am done. To those who are offended, I bare my arse for ya to kiss, and those who are running from the thread and their own morals, there is a whole other cheek for ya. I am outta here.
yes, you are outa here. don't let the door smack you on your arse on the way out.

anastrophe wrote: logic and common sense are not applicable to sexuality, or matters of the heart.
The divorce rate is evidence that you are correct as far as practice goes. If common sense and logic were involved in choices made regarding sexuality and matters of the heart, we would have a lot less sadness in this world.

Hmmm. Me hiding behind my keyboard. What a strange statement since I am one of only two people on this forum who uses my own photo for my avatar.

Bullet, although gone now,

I am not afraid of the Angels. I have encountered them a few times. Was that supposed to be a threat or a warning? Main point is: Your characterization of me is faulty. If you count on people being afraid of bikers so you can get away with being an ass then you are wrong again. I don't think confronting bigotry can be classified as acting "Holier than Thou". Having good morals and being holy are quite different.

BR,

you are quite right. If I had known how narrow minded and hateful you are I would not have been so friendly. I would and will, however, remain civil. This is a forum. We are all here to discuss our points of view for better or worse. If you feel good when you call a homosexual a piece of excrement then I imagine you will continue because it makes you feel good...just as it makes me feel good to tell you I think your behaviour is hideous when you do such things. I feel really good when I stand up for what I believe in. As do you, as does everyone else.

I have this thing that kind of 'clicks' when I see cruelty and rudeness. I lose my temper. I am considered by most to be quite tolerant but I have my breaking points. If I am intolerant when I defend the rights of other human beings then I can live with that.

My time is never wasted. I learn from everything. Unfortunately not everyone does.

Astounding what a gay parade in Occupied Palestine can do in such a short amount of time! :-2

koan wrote: Hmmm. Me hiding behind my keyboard. What a strange statement since I am one of only two people on this forum who uses my own photo for my avatar.



Bullet, although gone now,

I am not afraid of the Angels. I have encountered them a few times. Was that supposed to be a threat or a warning? Main point is: Your characterization of me is faulty. If you count on people being afraid of bikers so you can get away with being an ass then you are wrong again. I don't think confronting bigotry can be classified as acting "Holier than Thou". Having good morals and being holy are quite different.



BR,

you are quite right. If I had known how narrow minded and hateful you are I would not have been so friendly. I would and will, however, remain civil. This is a forum. We are all here to discuss our points of view for better or worse. If you feel good when you call a homosexual a piece of excrement then I imagine you will continue because it makes you feel good...just as it makes me feel good to tell you I think your behaviour is hideous when you do such things. I feel really good when I stand up for what I believe in. As do you, as does everyone else.



I have this thing that kind of 'clicks' when I see cruelty and rudeness. I lose my temper. I am considered by most to be quite tolerant but I have my breaking points. If I am intolerant when I defend the rights of other human beings then I can live with that.



My time is never wasted. I learn from everything. Unfortunately not everyone does.Damn, but I love all the subtle little jabs in this post! If I didn't know better, I'd think I typed this myself. It's EXACTLY how I operate!

OK here goes, This is supposed to be a religious discussion and none of the religious people have hit my feeling on this subject.

I am a Born Again Christian.

The Bible says where there is no harm there is no sin. God doesn't tell us to avoid things or not to do something just for fun.

If He says homosexuality is a sin then there is harm in it for us.

Now you can ask what harm and I cannot give an answer because I don't have one.

Somethings I take on trust. My choice, others may do as they wish.

But here is the main thing that bothers me about what I have been reading. Someone doing something contrary to the scriptures does not release the followers of God from the rest of the Bibles teachings.

Treat others as you wish to be treated.

Hate the sin, love the sinner.

Let he who is with out sin...

You get the picture.

I will never say that what God says is wrong but If you can't say His word with brotherly love then you got no right to do it at all.

Wow! What a lengthy list of posts.

Clint, I cannot remember just where I got the 10% but I know that I do not know any activists. I believe it may have been a clergy person though. So I will stand by my statement. As for me getting upset that you might disagree with me. Not a chance. Peoples posts reflect clearly the person posting. You'r not such a bad sort but you don't like it when folks disagree or contradict you. You don't like the fact that there are alternative interpretations to scripture that are as equally valid as yours.

Koan, I am with you on the intolerance of intolerance. I have found what BabyRider and Bullet said exceedingly offensive. For Bullet to mention his association with bikers in what appears to be a covert threat is not at all acceptable.

God's love and grace are unconditional. If they are not then it is neither love nor grace because both by definition are unconditional especially when referring to God. The Greek word for love is agape and it means unconditional love. That is the word used in the sacred scriptures. The other two words for love are phileo which means brotherly love and eros which refers to the sexual and marital love between folks.

Jahamaa, please be advised that there is more then one valid way to interpret the sacred scriptures. Yours is one and one that I think I would seriously disagree with.

Shalom

Ted :-6

BabyRider wrote: Damn, but I love all the subtle little jabs in this post! If I didn't know better, I'd think I typed this myself. It's EXACTLY how I operate!


:wah: :rolleyes:

jahamaa,

that was a really good post. I disagree with the part about homosexuality being a sin, but the rest was great.

Ted,

Heya! Where've you been???

koan :-6

I did go to bed last night and today I had several errands and things to do. It is utterly amazing the great number of posts in 24 hrs. Actually the forum has been alive and well.

I love discussion and debate as long as it remains relatively civil. I certainly found some of the recent posts offensive but that is ok these folks simply show the rest of us their true nature and we can each individually take it from their.

Shalom

Ted :-6

Ted wrote: koan :-6

I did go to bed last night and today I had several errands and things to do. It is utterly amazing the great number of posts in 24 hrs. Actually the forum has been alive and well.

I love discussion and debate as long as it remains relatively civil. I certainly found some of the recent posts offensive but that is ok these folks simply show the rest of us their true nature and we can each individually take it from their.

Shalom

Ted :-6


What? You mean you have a life? How dare you? :wah:

Hear, hear. Well said.

koan :-6

LOL.

Shalom

Ted :-6

Ted wrote: Wow! What a lengthy list of posts.

Clint, I cannot remember just where I got the 10% but I know that I do not know any activists. I believe it may have been a clergy person though. So I will stand by my statement. As for me getting upset that you might disagree with me. Not a chance. Peoples posts reflect clearly the person posting. You'r not such a bad sort but you don't like it when folks disagree or contradict you. You don't like the fact that there are alternative interpretations to scripture that are as equally valid as yours.

Koan, I am with you on the intolerance of intolerance. I have found what BabyRider and Bullet said exceedingly offensive. For Bullet to mention his association with bikers in what appears to be a covert threat is not at all acceptable.

God's love and grace are unconditional. If they are not then it is neither love nor grace because both by definition are unconditional especially when referring to God. The Greek word for love is agape and it means unconditional love. That is the word used in the sacred scriptures. The other two words for love are phileo which means brotherly love and eros which refers to the sexual and marital love between folks.

Jahamaa, please be advised that there is more then one valid way to interpret the sacred scriptures. Yours is one and one that I think I would seriously disagree with.

Shalom

Ted :-6


Okay Ted, stick with your 10%. It's your story, tell it any way you like. I read the recantation of the gay rights activist that planted the 10% figure. It has been a quite a few years now and I don't have the article anymore. But what would I know anyway? :-6 :-6 :-6 There, those seem to sugar coat things nicely. I'm glad you don't think I'm "such a bad sort". You seem to have me figured out and judged nicely. That makes your passive-aggressive approach much easier to handle.

Shalom

Clint

Clint wrote: Okay Ted, stick with your 10%. It's your story, tell it any way you like. I read the recantation of the gay rights activist that planted the 10% figure. It has been a quite a few years now and I don't have the article anymore. But what would I know anyway? :-6 :-6 :-6 There, those seem to sugar coat things nicely. I'm glad you don't think I'm "such a bad sort". You seem to have me figured out and judged nicely. That makes your passive-aggressive approach much easier to handle.

Shalom

Clint
Ted,

I certainly don’t like what I just did. When I read what you wrote my blood boiled and I should have waited. I wouldn’t have done that if I had waited. Please accept my apology.

Clint

Clint wrote: Ted,



I certainly don’t like what I just did. When I read what you wrote my blood boiled and I should have waited. I wouldn’t have done that if I had waited. Please accept my apology.



Clint
well done.

KENSLOFT,

WOOOO!! your commented that this thread should be interesting...!! I think it went way past interesting... As usual I'm a day late, and a dollar short..!! :-5 Interesting reading I must say..

anastrophe wrote: well done.
I should have been doing well before the apology. Ted is a good man and he didn't deserve that.

Clint wrote: I should have been doing well before the apology. Ted is a good man and he didn't deserve that.you're human, and imperfect. not exactly a sterling observation, but worth keeping in mind. disagreeing in good faith is all well and good, but emotions get the best of us (i speak from experience, imagine that!).



but, who am i to be providing counsel. i'm one of those nutcases who's in favor of gay marriage. jesus preached love. whether one 'sins' while loving or not, it's for god to decide later, not for us to decide for our fellow men. if gays are doomed to burn in hell for loving one another, that's their problem, not mine. they don't harm me by their actions. if they harm themselves, that's a shame, but it's not my affair nor my role in this life to try to correct or change them. it is, again, God's business, not mine.

Being gay is not a disease; it cannot be spread. It is a lifestyle some people choose to live. They are people just like me and everyone else on this forum. They are not monsters out there trying to lure our children to their lifestyle. Accept them as the human they are and go on.

Also, remember that Jesus spent most of his time with sinners. He did no finger pointing and hell and brimstone speeches. He taught with love for the sinners.

Sheryl wrote: It is a lifestyle some people choose to live.
while i realize that 'lifestyle' has rather become a generic colloquialism, i pretty much reject its use in describing 'being gay'. that people do make a choice in how they *express* their sexuality is a priori, but ones inner sexual attractions and feelings seem to be inate, and a priori in their own respect.



that i'm left-handed isn't a lifestyle. i could train myself to write with my right hand, many were forced to do same in 'the old days', but doing so is contrary to an inate part of who and what i am. even right now, i can reach over and try writing with my right hand. it is possible, but feels unnatural. most people are right-handed. the majority - upwards of 80%. an argument could be made that being left-handed *is* unnatural, because it clearly falls outside 'normal', based on the numbers. should right-handers prevent me from writing left-handed? would doing so be for my own protection?



i realize the bible contains no proscriptions on writing left-handed (at least, i don't think it does, but then again it wouldn't surprise me if it did somewhere).



jesus never spoke of the right or wrong of handedness. what sins he did speak of, he did in terms of the love that needs to be shared with the sinner, not condemnation. the bible is an important work; however, if we are christians, our ethos should be based upon christ, alone. christ did not preach hate, ever.

on being left-handed. doh!

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anastrophe wrote: while i realize that 'lifestyle' has rather become a generic colloquialism, i pretty much reject its use in describing 'being gay'. that people do make a choice in how they *express* their sexuality is a priori, but ones inner sexual attractions and feelings seem to be inate, and a priori in their own respect.



that i'm left-handed isn't a lifestyle. i could train myself to write with my right hand, many were forced to do same in 'the old days', but doing so is contrary to an inate part of who and what i am. even right now, i can reach over and try writing with my right hand. it is possible, but feels unnatural. most people are right-handed. the majority - upwards of 80%. an argument could be made that being left-handed *is* unnatural, because it clearly falls outside 'normal', based on the numbers. should right-handers prevent me from writing left-handed? would doing so be for my own protection?



i realize the bible contains no proscriptions on writing left-handed (at least, i don't think it does, but then again it wouldn't surprise me if it did somewhere).



jesus never spoke of the right or wrong of handedness. what sins he did speak of, he did in terms of the love that needs to be shared with the sinner, not condemnation. the bible is an important work; however, if we are christians, our ethos should be based upon christ, alone. christ did not preach hate, ever.


Ok help me out here! Your view is that homosexuality is a genetic happening. I can see that being true. I watched a show on hermphodites (sp) and it opened my mind to other possibilities.

I too agree Jesus never preached hate.

I'm sorry for my ignorance, that's why I am member of this forum and others. It's easier to find others to discuss bigger issues than whether or not Peggy Sue is screwing around her hubby or not.

Sheryl wrote: Ok help me out here! Your view is that homosexuality is a genetic happening. I can see that being true. I watched a show on hermphodites (sp) and it opened my mind to other possibilities.

I too agree Jesus never preached hate.



I'm sorry for my ignorance, that's why I am member of this forum and others. It's easier to find others to discuss bigger issues than whether or not Peggy Sue is screwing around her hubby or not.don't apologize for 'ignorance', it's just a difference in nomenclature by my view. whether or not homosexuality is genetic is immaterial and irrelevant to me. it may be genetic, it may be something that happens in the womb, it may be something that happens in early childhood, and in some cases as we know, some people don't realize/discover their preferred sexuality until well into adulthood.



none of that matters to me. who am i? there's only one person on earth who can answer that, and if the answer feels right, and it harms no other person in feeling right, then they have my blessings, such as they are.



i realize this topic started due to the proposed gay rally in jerusalem. surely, that's an opportunity for 'them' to make a statement about themselves, to 'put it in people's faces'. there is no question that there is oppression of people for being gay. hitler didn't kill only jews; he killed jews, gypsies, cripples, and homosexuals. to me it's telling how that group came into the german consciousness as 'in need of extermination'. what do they share in common? being hated for who or what they are, not for what they have done. murderers and rapists, implicitly and explicitly, harm others by their way of living, and on that basis, society is righteous/justified in segregating them from their prey. a jew, living his life as his heart guides him, harms no other person. a homosexual, living his life as his heart guides him, harms no other person.



i'm in preachy-mode i guess.

gotcha!

Ted wrote:

God's love and grace are unconditional. If they are not then it is neither love nor grace because both by definition are unconditional especially when referring to God. The Greek word for love is agape and it means unconditional love. That is the word used in the sacred scriptures. The other two words for love are phileo which means brotherly love and eros which refers to the sexual and marital love between folks.

Jahamaa, please be advised that there is more then one valid way to interpret the sacred scriptures. Yours is one and one that I think I would seriously disagree with.

Shalom

Ted :-6


Ted please forgive me if I am a little short with you but your last comment rubbed me the wrong way. I clearly stated that what I listed were my opinons and, with all due respect I don't need a voice from on high to tell me that others interpet the scriptures differently.

I may not be the chairman of my local Mensa chapter but I'm not a completely stupid individual. :wah:

That said, love and grace may be unconditional but that does not mean that all practices of the heart are without consequence. (Man, that paragraph you wrote would need volumes to completly discuss it, wouldn't it?)

And just because an urge ( for lack of a better word) is genetic does not nessessarily make it a good thing to do.

This may not fit with your interpetation of the scriptures but for my part the reason we need God is to help with those things we're hard wired to do that aren't good for us to do.

Again my views and I don't push them on anyone. But if I'm not making a valid point than of what other use is unconditional love and grace?

anastrophe wrote: you're human, and imperfect. not exactly a sterling observation, but worth keeping in mind. disagreeing in good faith is all well and good, but emotions get the best of us (i speak from experience, imagine that!).



but, who am i to be providing counsel. i'm one of those nutcases who's in favor of gay marriage. jesus preached love. whether one 'sins' while loving or not, it's for god to decide later, not for us to decide for our fellow men. if gays are doomed to burn in hell for loving one another, that's their problem, not mine. they don't harm me by their actions. if they harm themselves, that's a shame, but it's not my affair nor my role in this life to try to correct or change them. it is, again, God's business, not mine.


I can go along with that completely. Sometimes we do agree. LOL

Shalom

Ted

Clint :-6

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Be aware that I can do that too. None of us is perfect.

No problem.

Jahamaa :-6

I am sorry if that offended you as no offense was intended. I was simply expressing another viewpoint.

Shalom

Ted :-6

Ted wrote: Clint :-6

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Be aware that I can do that too. None of us is perfect.

No problem.

Shalom

Ted :-6
Ted,

Thank you.

Clint

Some Christians like to rant and rave against homosexuality, gambling, regular sex outside of marrage, rock music, and gosip.

It is alway easy to gripe about something you don't have enjoy.

Some people feel the need to put others down to make themselves feal better.

Me I tend to think I'm better then smokers. But I eat more then I should. Glutony is one of the 7 deadly sins.

Not to many people claim that Rock is evil anymore. I kind of miss that arguement. At least those who made it had respect for our Lord and The Bible.

LOL on World Pride being the name of a gay fest if that is the case. How does the verse go that says in the end good will be called evil and evil will be called good?

I can tolerate gayness. Perhpas even more then I should. But it is not something to be proud.

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