Jessica Lunsford is Dead According to Sheriff.

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 8:50 am

JUST blows you away...Breaks into the house undetected, abducts Jessica, God knows what happened to her in his custody, them kills her and buries her right there... Wonder why the dog didn't pick the scent up??? Unless he buried after they left the area. It had to take some time to dig the grave. Just makes you nervous about what goes on right under your nose >>>>> :-1

I still think the other three loses had a hand in it as well. I just woke up ..It is only 7 AM on the west coast .. Any new on them.

valerie · Post by **valerie** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 9:47 am

I kept looking at all the updates on this story for so long, hoping

against hope that I would see a miracle and she had been found alive.

There isn't enough that can be done to this creep.

As far as the cadaver dogs: They are very, very good at what they

do, as are all the SAR dogs. But keep in mind, no animal is 100%

100% of the time. They come very close, but sometimes if they

have been searching for awhile or are fatigued, they can miss things.

Post by **kensloft** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 10:15 am

Congratulations to The sheriff, the deputies and all the searchers for catching the _________ and bringing Jess back so that the family can have a final goodbye. May she rest in peace. May the relatives get peace and be able to carry on.

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 10:35 am

kmhowe72 wrote: Don't call me ingorant. If the grandmother and the rest of them were watching her more closely, didn't leave the door unlocked .(that's been reported in the press.) Then maybe she would still be alive. That's my opion and you have know right to insult me.

I don't insult you and your opions.

I've forgotten to lock the door before. I don't expect someone to come into my home and take one of my children when I've done this. Do you stay awake at night making sure an electrical fire doesn't break out and kill your child? If not, perhaps you should watch them more closely.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 10:48 am

Elizabeth Smart's family was asleep in the house when she was taken. Polly Klaas' mother was asleep in the house when she was taken. Danielle Van Dam's dad was in the house when she was taken out. these predators are werewolves in the night, and those parents slept the sleep of the innocent while evil stalked in the small hours.

kmhowe72 · Post by **kmhowe72** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 11:04 am

Jessica lunsford body found. The first report I heared this morning was that they just found the head. That was from CNN. But subsaquently at the news conference this morning they said the found her, but they didn't say she she was intact. This is beyond words. AOL is reporting the dorr was indeed unlocked. Who neglectiant on that ah.

I guess it does it matter in the whole picture. But it's something to makesure is done especially at night and especially with children. The sherif told repoters this morning that he was also charging other's with obtruction of justice. Couy's family memebers knew that he was a criminal and they knew police were looking for him. His half sister lived in pre fab. house two hundred yds. away from the victim. She had lied to police about him being their.

we all hope that Justice will be swift in this case. Unlike others like the smart case. The suspects are pleading they are to insane to stand trial. I feel really bad, for that familt today. I don't like to bring my children anywhere unless my husband is with me. This could happen any time anyplace. and I hope that he couy will pay for this. I have some choice words about him I like to say , but not here. The sheriff called him trash. He is more then that. A senater this morning on Fox, said give him the gun. Let shoot himself.

Beth · Post by **Beth** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 11:23 am

If the pig wanted to get in, a locked door would have meant a hill of beans. Stop villifying the grandmother, kmhowe72. It's just plain stupid and mean.

kmhowe72 · Post by **kmhowe72** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 11:25 am

You know this whole thing makes me sick. They should indeed put leg braces or a microchip on these people. This sicken me as parent and has a humen being. I am totally outraged!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-1

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 11:28 am

kmhowe72 wrote: You know this whole thing makes me sick. They should indeed put leg braces or a microchip on these people. This sicken me as parent and has a humen being. I am totally outraged!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-1 leg braces?

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 11:48 am

lady cop wrote: Elizabeth Smart's family was asleep in the house when she was taken. Polly Klaas' mother was asleep in the house when she was taken. Danielle Van Dam's dad was in the house when she was taken out. these predators are werewolves in the night, and those parents slept the sleep of the innocent while evil stalked in the small hours.
perhaps. but it is worth noting that Polly Klaas's mother was in a chemically induced sleep, which was extremely irresponsible to do when there was a kid's sleepover taking place.

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 11:51 am

I think you mean Ankle monitors.

I say give him a gun to kill his sorry ass, only after he tell LE all the details on how he got her out of the house. We need to know the details. I know that it won't be pleansant but it needs to be done. To many of these MONSTERS OF THE NIGHT take our children right from our homes in the middle of the night.. :-5 :-5

ONCE HE HAS GIVEN THE DETAILS.. LET HIM OFF HIMSELF..

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 11:53 am

anastrophe wrote: perhaps. but it is worth noting that Polly Klaas's mother was in a chemically induced sleep, which was extremely irresponsible to do when there was a kid's sleepover taking place.that is the FIRST time i ever heard that. do you know details?

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 12:17 pm

lady cop wrote: that is the FIRST time i ever heard that. do you know details?
something like sominex, or whatever was popular back then.

this confided to me by a friend close to law enforcement at the time, who was kept well informed on the case (he lived and worked in the area). however, it isn't otherwise public knowledge. i guess it is now. my friend is dead, so the sources died with him. but i had no reason to doubt the veracity of it. the sliding door was unlocked, she was out like a light, and could not have heard anything that went on. she's never been public about the whole horrible affair, and i suspect that is largely due to overwhelming guilt. richard allen davis will rot in hell for the lives he ruined. and i don't even believe in hell.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 12:25 pm

parents get the flu, parents may have prescibed meds and sleep through normal kid noises, they're human after all. RAD had the nerve to go into that house even with other children present. ...RAD was assaulted by another inmate last week, not severely unfortunately, but NOT for his crime, but because he is perceived by other inmates to be responsible for the three-strikes law.

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 12:34 pm

lady cop wrote: parents get the flu, parents may have prescibed meds and sleep through normal kid noises, they're human after all.
she didn't have the flu at the time. nevertheless, it *is* irresponsible to be in an altered state while hosting a children's sleepover. you cancel the sleepover if you're unable to fulfill your responsibilities as an adult - guardian of children.

THAT SAID, she was not the proximate cause of the crime, that goes without saying. it is a terrible shame that she could not have intervened because of her altered state. but that doesn't mean she could have prevented it even if she were not altered.

to repeat: I'M NOT BLAMING polly klaas's mother for this.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 12:43 pm

i didn't think you were blaming her...all parents are human and have feet of clay, they do their best in most cases, never expecting the werewolf. i will say this in a general sense...predators of children OBSERVE...they watch kids who are perceived to be less than closely supervised. Carlie Brucia an example. they are crimes of opportunity. a poster blamed Jessica's grandmother, well grandma is just that, an older woman asleep, daddy was out sleeping elsewhere, just the way the chips fell. couey may well have observed the family dynamics. but it serves no purpose to blame the grandmother. couey was a practiced burgler.

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 12:51 pm

lady cop wrote: i didn't think you were blaming her.
right - didn't take it that way. just wanted to make sure my words were misinterpreted by anyone reading them.

..all parents are human and have feet of clay, they do their best in most cases, never expecting the werewolf. i will say this in a general sense...predators of children OBSERVE...they watch kids who are perceived to be less than closely supervised. Carlie Brucia an example. they are crimes of opportunity. a poster blamed Jessica's grandmother, well grandma is just that, an older woman asleep, daddy was out sleeping elsewhere, just the way the chips fell. couey may well have observed the family dynamics. but it serves no purpose to blame the grandmother. couey was a practiced burgler.
yes, i think the proximity of the house couey was hanging out at provided an excellent vantage point to watch the comings and goings at jessica's house. the bastard took his time, plotted it out, then knew when it woudl be easy pickin's.

he shoudl be sent to iraq and set loose in the most dangerous area of fallujah. let abu musab al-zarqawi behead him.

Tombstone · Post by **Tombstone** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 12:52 pm

anastrophe wrote: she didn't have the flu at the time. nevertheless, it *is* irresponsible to be in an altered state while hosting a children's sleepover. you cancel the sleepover if you're unable to fulfill your responsibilities as an adult - guardian of children.

THAT SAID, she was not the proximate cause of the crime, that goes without saying. it is a terrible shame that she could not have intervened because of her altered state. but that doesn't mean she could have prevented it even if she were not altered.

to repeat: I'M NOT BLAMING polly klaas's mother for this.
What are your thoughts about Petaluma (city of) never making a stand against all the bums that would hang out and sleep in the park?

The residents who lived around the park (of course, considered the "better part" of town - with all the home priced much higher than the west side) were having consistent and constant problems with these people. Break-ins, drug use, vandalism, theft, etc.

Anastrophe, you and I know one of the town's elected officials. (I'll remind you who offline.) I never got a clear answer from him on why they didn't clean up this problem a long time ago.

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 12:55 pm

anastrophe wrote: right - didn't take it that way. just wanted to make sure my words were misinterpreted by anyone reading them.

ahem. "just wanted to make sure my words weren't misinterpreted"!!!!!

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 12:59 pm

Tombstone wrote: What are your thoughts about Petaluma (city of) never making a stand against all the bums that would hang out and sleep in the park?

The residents who lived around the park (of course, considered the "better part" of town - with all the home priced much higher than the west side) were having consistent and constant problems with these people. Break-ins, drug use, vandalism, theft, etc.

Anastrophe, you and I know one of the town's elected officials. (I'll remind you who offline.) I never got a clear answer from him on why they didn't clean up this problem a long time ago.
it's one of those perennial problems. 'undesireables' in a 'desireable' area. not all of them are druggies, not all of them are thieves and vandals. so when you target same, you sweep up people unjustly. but if you do nothing, the undesireable element will grow, and pose a greater threat. just because someone looks scruffy doesn't mean they are a ne'er-do-well.

it's tough.

of course, i would submit that richard allen davis should never have even known where that park was, because he should never have been released from prison in the first place, considering his past - exceedingly violent - crimes.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 3:15 pm

this lovely lady is couey's half sister who lied to the authorities.

Dorothy Dixon was arrested for allegedly lying to authorities

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 3:17 pm

and here's the other dirtbag.

Madie Secord was arrested for allegedly lying to authorities over the whereabouts of John couey

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 3:18 pm

scumwad number 3.

Matthew Dittrich was arrested for allegedly lying to authorities over the whereabouts of couey

kmhowe72 · Post by **kmhowe72** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 4:30 pm

According to people in the area, they would like to see leg braces, or band, such has Martha stuart wheres to keep tracked of preditors. :-1

How could anybody look at those pic's. They are nasty.

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 5:43 pm

LADYCOP,

The pictures of the three arested is telling.. WOOOOOOOO!!

That is a group I would not like to run into ever..!! :-3 Look like a bunch of drug users to me for sure..

Post by **kensloft** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 6:05 pm

I think tracing devices are fine but you could implant a microchip to get better, cheaper location finding. Worth the price as far as I am concerned.

Post by **kensloft** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 8:50 pm

febreze wrote: My heart Goes out to the Lunsford family :yh_flower

The only other thing I wanted to say was,I CAN NOT UNDERSTAND HOW A PERSON WHOM CLAIM TO BE A OFFICER ON THIS BOARD ,HAD ALREADY HUNG THE FATHER AND THE GRANDPARENTS, NO WONDER WE HAVE NO FAITH IN OUR LAW ENFORSEMENT OFFICERS.SHE HAD ALREADY CONVICTED THIS ENTIRE FAMILY!

NOT VERY PROFESSIONAL IMO.WISH HER COMANDER COULD SEE THIS BOARD.

Welcome to the garden febreze. Lots to see and do. Plenty of flowers to sniff at in other parts of the garden. Sometimes you just say things to keep the thread happening and people interested. Good observation though.

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 8:57 pm

FEBREZE,

I think you better go back and read the posts your refering to. All LADYCOPS posts about this case are posted honestly. She has been in law enforcement for a very long time. Yes we all believed the father or grand father to be involved. Why because at the time there were no other persons of interest. I respect her professional advice period.

I think your are dead wrong on your assessment. LADYCOP IS A DEAR FRIEND OF MY.. I KNOW HER TO BE NOTHING BUT PROFESSIONAL, HONEST AND FAIR YOU COMMENT WASN'T NECESSARY.. As she stated in her posts that her feeling was the dad was involved, but would wait for more information on the case.

ACTUALLY SHE NEVER SAID SHE THOUGHT THE FATHER OR THE GRAND FATHER DID THIS, JUST THAT THEY MAY BE INVOLVED.. I SAID I THOUGHT THE GRAND FATHER DID IT. I'M SORRY FOR THAT NOW...

DON'T CHASTISE SOMEONE FOR HAVING A FEELING, GET YOUR FACT CORRECT..

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 9:47 pm

forgive me if i sound pedantic or churlish, but, regarding the photos of scumbags #'s 1, 2, and 3, you can't judge a book by the cover.

for example, who's this trailer trash dude? another druggie? a molester?

Attached files

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 9:48 pm

no, none of the above. he's jessica's father. this poor man has shown his incredible devotion to his child throughout the ordeal, and the terrible grief he's now experiencing. he looks like a bad guy. he's not.

don't judge people just because of how they look.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 10:00 pm

the three whose photos are posted have been charged with obstruction of justice in protecting and lying for couey...and sheriff Dawsy characterized the three of them as "crackheads".

kmhowe72 · Post by **kmhowe72** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 10:50 pm

no you can't judge a book by it's cover. But these individuals lied to police. and that's the BOTTOM LINE.

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 11:16 pm

kmhowe72 wrote: no you can't judge a book by it's cover. But these individuals lied to police. and that's the BOTTOM LINE. :(my point is only that just because someone looks like a scumbag, doesn't mean they *are* a scumbag. the three displayed are scumbags. but simply looking at them, all i can tell is that they aren't attactive people. the association people tend to make that unattractive people are implicitly scumbags is unfair.

just as there are 'beautiful' people who are scumbags inside...oh, lemme think...heiress to a hotel chain...hmm, what's her name again....

kmhowe72 · Post by **kmhowe72** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 11:20 pm

The sheriff down their even said they were drug addicts, and one was arrested for late child support payments. Thier were four. :-2

mominiowa · Post by **mominiowa** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 11:55 pm

I think we all feel bad for what we thought had happened..but until you are in a situation that you know a family member can and has done terrible things to your family - it's not all that hard to jump to the wrong conclusion...(EX: my nephews death..his own mother took his life.) - So my heart breaks for the family, and my soul hurts for what I had assumed...but I will say LC - says it like she feels.. This is not her job..this forum is for people to communicate what they think, feel, believe, or just want to know...Its not HER job - she is not at WORK..She never released anything to us that was not put out to the public..Its no different then me saying that I have a bunch of crack head parents at the school I work at.. - I am not at work...I am not saying PRIVATE things...this is a free site - and its also a place to have your free-speech...So lets all put this away - and clean our plates and start over..because unfortuanlty - this will happen again..we will watch out for that missing child, we will talk about who we think has done it...and so on...

Good Night to All......and God's Speed to Lil Jessica...May your angel wings take you where ever you want to go.......... :yh_angel

koan · Post by **koan** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 2:17 am

I have never gotten into the following of dead children investigations or any murder investigations for that matter. I guess I just have other fascinations. I am grateful that neither I nor anyone close to me has to deal with the sickness of some people's minds and I'm grateful that other people do a good job at tracking them down.

While it is easy to follow a wrong 'hunch' and end up with a faulty conclusion it is these 'hunches' that often lead to successful arrests. There is nothing wrong with making mistakes, just in not admitting the mistake was made.

robinseggs · Post by **robinseggs** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 8:59 am

febreze wrote: My heart Goes out to the Lunsford family :yh_flower

The only other thing I wanted to say was,I CAN NOT UNDERSTAND HOW A PERSON WHOM CLAIM TO BE A OFFICER ON THIS BOARD ,HAD ALREADY HUNG THE FATHER AND THE GRANDPARENTS, NO WONDER WE HAVE NO FAITH IN OUR LAW ENFORSEMENT OFFICERS.SHE HAD ALREADY CONVICTED THIS ENTIRE FAMILY!

NOT VERY PROFESSIONAL IMO.WISH HER COMANDER COULD SEE THIS BOARD.

Febreze, you are obviously new and have not read all the posts in the previous thread about this topic....as a matter of fact, we ALL had our suspicions and theories about what happened, but it was Ladycop who flat out refused to name names or should I quote her..."point the finger" at any one. She barely eluded to wondering if it were the family. Where do you get this idea and then go attack LC when you haven't even been here all along? Geeeeeeeeeeez

robinseggs · Post by **robinseggs** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 9:03 am

Also, wanted to also comment on Beth's post......about her kids roaming "acre after acre" around there.......are you serious??????? How old are your kids? I am not implying you are a bad parent, I just don't understand how something like what happened to Jessica can happen and you (if i read it right) let your kids run freely? Forgive me if I read this wrong.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 9:06 am

robinseggs wrote: Febreze, you are obviously new and have not read all the posts in the previous thread about this topic....as a matter of fact, we ALL had our suspicions and theories about what happened, but it was Ladycop who flat out refused to name names or should I quote her..."point the finger" at any one. She barely eluded to wondering if it were the family. Where do you get this idea and then go attack LC when you haven't even been here all along? GeeeeeeeeeeezOh thank you, Robinseggs!! I just got back here and saw that silly post by febreze.... :-5 When are people going to start to think before they speak? Perhaps this wise person just came in to slam law enforcement in general, got to rail for a second and now will go away. We can only hope...

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 9:10 am

febreze wrote: My heart Goes out to the Lunsford family :yh_flower

The only other thing I wanted to say was,I CAN NOT UNDERSTAND HOW A PERSON WHOM CLAIM TO BE A OFFICER ON THIS BOARD ,HAD ALREADY HUNG THE FATHER AND THE GRANDPARENTS, NO WONDER WE HAVE NO FAITH IN OUR LAW ENFORSEMENT OFFICERS.SHE HAD ALREADY CONVICTED THIS ENTIRE FAMILY!

NOT VERY PROFESSIONAL IMO.WISH HER COMANDER COULD SEE THIS BOARD.

Geez, I wish her commander could see this too. Maybe he'd get as big a chuckle out of this particular post as I did. Looks like it was written by a 4th grader, considering they can't even spell.

(I just couldn't resist....I tried, really I did....)

Beth · Post by **Beth** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 9:50 am

robinseggs wrote: Also, wanted to also comment on Beth's post......about her kids roaming "acre after acre" around there.......are you serious??????? How old are your kids? I am not implying you are a bad parent, I just don't understand how something like what happened to Jessica can happen and you (if i read it right) let your kids run freely? Forgive me if I read this wrong.I can care less what you think. We all own many acres and the kids run freely within given boundries. The parents keep eyes out, but this case isn't going to scare me into imprisoning my kids. Again, think whatcha want.

robinseggs · Post by **robinseggs** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 11:16 am

Please don't be on the defense so quickly...I am not trying to offend you. Really. I am a parent too. I understand you don't care what I think. One of the purposes of this forum is to share and make others aware. The Lunsford case is just another reminder of how much we need to watch our children, night or day. You should know, my kids play outside too...not a problem....I only asked how old your kids are. I agree we can not have our eyeballs glued to them 24/7....and this is why things happen. I would never imprison my children in the house out of fear either, however I would never let them roam for acres either. Never. We need to know where they are at all times.

Beth · Post by **Beth** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 11:40 am

I most certainly can if it is within the confines of my or their friend's property. I'm not even sure if you know the size and visability of several acres. I moved to the country so my kids could run freely- and even then family and friends complain that I am too sheltering. So this is very rich! I live where there are pastures and fields and they have much less freedom than most of their friends.