Accountable;967929 wrote: She deals with Canada pretty regularly. Not much experience but more than a freshman Illinois senator would have.
http://gov.state.ak.us/archive.php?id=1183&type=1
Don't forget how close Alaska is to Russia.
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qsducks;967911 wrote: Personally, I was disgusted with McCain's choice for VP. Never heard of her and what will happen if he dies in office? We will be stuck with a no name VP with absolutely no experience in foreign affairs.
Lots of us never heard of Obama either until he started running and we are still trying to figure out what he ever did.
Lots of us never heard of Obama either until he started running and we are still trying to figure out what he ever did.
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valerie;967900 wrote: I would never vote for a man who called his wife a "c-word"...
C-word
Nor a VP candidate in favor of aerial hunting of wolves.
McCain is Bush lite, I can't see having a "third term" of the same old.
She might favor hunting wolves but does not favor killing human babies. sorry, but that ranks higher with me.
C-word
Nor a VP candidate in favor of aerial hunting of wolves.
McCain is Bush lite, I can't see having a "third term" of the same old.
She might favor hunting wolves but does not favor killing human babies. sorry, but that ranks higher with me.
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Accountable;967929 wrote: She deals with Canada pretty regularly. Not much experience but more than a freshman Illinois senator would have.
http://gov.state.ak.us/archive.php?id=1183&type=1
Hey, how you doing Accy? Nah, I see it as polical pandering. She won't be getting my v0te and I voted for Hillary.
http://gov.state.ak.us/archive.php?id=1183&type=1
Hey, how you doing Accy? Nah, I see it as polical pandering. She won't be getting my v0te and I voted for Hillary.
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Hoss;968236 wrote: I don't get this one either. If the wolves are a nuisance or have upset the balance of the forest then what does it matter whether they are hunted from aircraft or the ground? Is one any different than the other?
We're dealing with a bunch of pavement pounders here. critter huggers. They don't understand game management.
We're dealing with a bunch of pavement pounders here. critter huggers. They don't understand game management.
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Hoss;968240 wrote: Alaska is the frontier; they have to understand we can't let dangerous animals in too close. I was reading through my hunter’s safety course work earlier today looking for upland bird information and I read that hunters give a ten times more money to manage wildlife and habitation than any other organization in the world.
That's right. Critter huggers don't realize how much money hunting generates and how many jobs. And how much money goes back into creating habitat.
That's right. Critter huggers don't realize how much money hunting generates and how many jobs. And how much money goes back into creating habitat.
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Hoss;968236 wrote: I don't get this one either. If the wolves are a nuisance or have upset the balance of the forest then what does it matter whether they are hunted from aircraft or the ground? Is one any different than the other?
Ask yourself how many thousands of years wolves and their prey
co-existed just fine and then ask yourself who exactly upset the balance.
Here's a big difference in hunting from the air: (Not for sensitive viewers)
Wolves
There are other problems with her besides just that.
Ask yourself how many thousands of years wolves and their prey
co-existed just fine and then ask yourself who exactly upset the balance.
Here's a big difference in hunting from the air: (Not for sensitive viewers)
Wolves
There are other problems with her besides just that.
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hoppy;968239 wrote: We're dealing with a bunch of pavement pounders here. critter huggers. They don't understand game management.
If you mean me, sorry but you really don't know me or my background.
Some of my earliest memories come from my father getting back from
yearly hunting trips. I do, indeed understand game management very
well. I am not opposed to hunting. I enjoy eating the game.
If you mean me, sorry but you really don't know me or my background.
Some of my earliest memories come from my father getting back from
yearly hunting trips. I do, indeed understand game management very
well. I am not opposed to hunting. I enjoy eating the game.
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OK
We've gone from a Political Thread to PETA.
Your either a McCain supporter or your not.
VP - Sarah - what a honor for her. Congrats to her.
Obviously she's going to have the same beliefs on issues as McCain.
As far as Sarah & her Hunting & Gun rights
Maybe she should avoid VP Dick Cheney...
Happy Hunting
Patsy
We've gone from a Political Thread to PETA.
Your either a McCain supporter or your not.
VP - Sarah - what a honor for her. Congrats to her.
Obviously she's going to have the same beliefs on issues as McCain.
As far as Sarah & her Hunting & Gun rights
Maybe she should avoid VP Dick Cheney...
Happy Hunting
Patsy
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Patsy Warnick;968262 wrote:
As far as Sarah & her Hunting & Gun rights
Maybe she should avoid VP Dick Cheney...
Happy Hunting
Patsy
:yh_rotfl
As far as Sarah & her Hunting & Gun rights
Maybe she should avoid VP Dick Cheney...
Happy Hunting
Patsy
:yh_rotfl
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Hoss;967906 wrote: So Europeans hate their own politicians too? I don't think we are in evil times because of President Bush. I feel like he's been fighting the evil and trying to secure us from it.
Hoss please:wah:
It looks like you have bought into all that propoganda garbage.
He has to be the most world wide disliked leader the USA has ever had. He has single handedly damaged the image of Americans.
Hoss please:wah:
It looks like you have bought into all that propoganda garbage.
He has to be the most world wide disliked leader the USA has ever had. He has single handedly damaged the image of Americans.
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Hoss;967744 wrote: I haven’t seen a kind comment about George Bush here yet. Does every European hate him?
Yes
Yes
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mikeinie;968305 wrote: Yes
I think Nicolas Sarkozy likes the USA and Bush. Anyway Hoss, euro's can't vote here so who cares what euro's like.
I think Nicolas Sarkozy likes the USA and Bush. Anyway Hoss, euro's can't vote here so who cares what euro's like.
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Hoss;968420 wrote: I was just trying to figure the bigger picture and see what others think. :-3
Some of those buttache countries will ALWAYS hate the USA, no matter what.
Some of those buttache countries will ALWAYS hate the USA, no matter what.
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The fun part is, nobama HAD to spend that kind of money just to be where he is. Lol.
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Most media is trying to elect nobama. They tell us daily he is # ahead. In reality, people are STILL asking "Who is Obama? What did he ever DO"?
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Accountable;967929 wrote: She deals with Canada pretty regularly. Not much experience but more than a freshman Illinois senator would have.
http://gov.state.ak.us/archive.php?id=1183&type=1
Who does have the proper experience to be Pres ?
No one. No one can walk into the office with all their ducks in a row.
The candidates have to align themselves with people that have been in the White House, they have to bring on people that have experiences that can be relied on.
Bush didnt know how to be a President. He had to pick people that he trusted with Im sure advice from his father considering the people he did pick.
They have to walk in with an agenda and then make good choices.
I think the experience issue is being overblown because its such a unique job. Without question theres a learning curve for everyone that walks through those doors for the first time. We'll never see what goes on behind closed doors in the decision making process, what we will see is game face.
Also accountable if your worried about a Democratic govt expanding the Fed I have to scoff because George W. Bush will be remembered as the president who bankrupted America.
http://gov.state.ak.us/archive.php?id=1183&type=1
Who does have the proper experience to be Pres ?
No one. No one can walk into the office with all their ducks in a row.
The candidates have to align themselves with people that have been in the White House, they have to bring on people that have experiences that can be relied on.
Bush didnt know how to be a President. He had to pick people that he trusted with Im sure advice from his father considering the people he did pick.
They have to walk in with an agenda and then make good choices.
I think the experience issue is being overblown because its such a unique job. Without question theres a learning curve for everyone that walks through those doors for the first time. We'll never see what goes on behind closed doors in the decision making process, what we will see is game face.
Also accountable if your worried about a Democratic govt expanding the Fed I have to scoff because George W. Bush will be remembered as the president who bankrupted America.
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Hoss;968451 wrote: I see that, but I'd like to figure out if it’s justified or if it’s just an attitude of the heart, hating the one on top of the heap is a common thing. I'd like to think there is a reason for it and it’s just not hate for the sake of hating, but then I don’t really want there to be a reason that does justify it. Yikes! That went full circle. :-2
IMHO, muslim countries hate because hating is a way of life for them. Asians hate because they "lose face" at the drop of a word. Euro's dislike the USA because we are more independent than they could ever hope to be. Why do you think they came up with the EU? Some euro's confuse being contrary with being independent.
IMHO, muslim countries hate because hating is a way of life for them. Asians hate because they "lose face" at the drop of a word. Euro's dislike the USA because we are more independent than they could ever hope to be. Why do you think they came up with the EU? Some euro's confuse being contrary with being independent.
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chonsigirl;967615 wrote: Can you be specific, Nomad, about what causes? (this is a genuine question, not a snipe, since you will enlarge my knowledge of this candidate)
By Rodrigue Tremblay
Rodrigue Tremblay is professor emeritus of economics at the University of Montreal
_____________________________________________________________________
On Social Security, for instance, an issue closely followed by senior citizens and future retirees, Sen. McCain is on record as favoring a privatization of Social Security, while Sen. Obama strongly opposes such a privatization, as it could place retirees' incomes at the whim of the stock market.
On Health care, Sen. Obama favors public health care and cheaper drugs; Sen. McCain opposes this approach. Sen. Obama would like to see a comprehensive health care system that would be compulsory for children but voluntary for adults. Sen. McCain wants to keep the current health system pretty much intact, while providing individuals with a $2500 refundable tax credit for health expenditures.
On the social issue of women's rights, Sen. Obama clearly sides on the side of women and their right to control their own body. Therefore, he considers that decisions about abortion must remain a matter between a woman and her doctor, and not be dictated by religious or political authorities. By contrast, Sen. McCain has moved closer to religious activists and now favors overriding the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision, while keeping incest and rape as the only exceptions for abortion. It would seem that those who believe in women's rights should vote for Sen. Obama and those who believe that the state should impose its decisions on women should vote for Sen. McCain.
On the crucial related issue of who should sit on the U.S. Supreme Court, the choice between the two presidential candidates would also seem to be clear-cut. Sen. Obama could be expected to nominate progressive judges on the Supreme Court, while Sen. McCain would like to push the Supreme Court even further to the right than it is now. For instance, Sen. Obama opposed Judge Samuel Alito's confirmation (Jan. 2006) and Judge John Roberts' nomination for Chief Justice of the Supreme Court (Sept. 2005). That could be the most long-term contentious difference between the two candidates.
On taxes and budget choices, the two candidates are way apart. For one, Sen. McCain was initially against the Bush administration tax cuts in 2003. Since then, he has embraced those cuts and the resulting deficits, while proposing a sizeable increase in defense spending. Sen. McCain would even go as far as requiring a two-thirds majority of Congress before raising taxes. Since expenditures would not be so constrained, this would insure permanent budgetary deficits for years to come. On the other side, Sen. Obama proposes that very wealthy individuals contribute more to financing Social Security. He would repeal Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy. He would also like to make the U.S. tax system more progressive by requiring wealthy individuals to contribute proportionally more than those with lower incomes, while providing tax relief to the majority of American taxpayers.
On that score, Sen. McCain is more a follower of George W. Bush, while Sen. Obama adopts the standard Democratic position of favoring the middle class and the poor at the expense of the very rich.
Overall, Sen. Obama seems to be surrounding himself with intelligent, competent and experienced advisers such as former Security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski and former general William Odom. On the other hand, Sen. McCain seems to be emulating President George W. Bush by surrounding himself with lobbyists, and with neocon and far right advisers.
By Rodrigue Tremblay
Rodrigue Tremblay is professor emeritus of economics at the University of Montreal
_____________________________________________________________________
On Social Security, for instance, an issue closely followed by senior citizens and future retirees, Sen. McCain is on record as favoring a privatization of Social Security, while Sen. Obama strongly opposes such a privatization, as it could place retirees' incomes at the whim of the stock market.
On Health care, Sen. Obama favors public health care and cheaper drugs; Sen. McCain opposes this approach. Sen. Obama would like to see a comprehensive health care system that would be compulsory for children but voluntary for adults. Sen. McCain wants to keep the current health system pretty much intact, while providing individuals with a $2500 refundable tax credit for health expenditures.
On the social issue of women's rights, Sen. Obama clearly sides on the side of women and their right to control their own body. Therefore, he considers that decisions about abortion must remain a matter between a woman and her doctor, and not be dictated by religious or political authorities. By contrast, Sen. McCain has moved closer to religious activists and now favors overriding the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision, while keeping incest and rape as the only exceptions for abortion. It would seem that those who believe in women's rights should vote for Sen. Obama and those who believe that the state should impose its decisions on women should vote for Sen. McCain.
On the crucial related issue of who should sit on the U.S. Supreme Court, the choice between the two presidential candidates would also seem to be clear-cut. Sen. Obama could be expected to nominate progressive judges on the Supreme Court, while Sen. McCain would like to push the Supreme Court even further to the right than it is now. For instance, Sen. Obama opposed Judge Samuel Alito's confirmation (Jan. 2006) and Judge John Roberts' nomination for Chief Justice of the Supreme Court (Sept. 2005). That could be the most long-term contentious difference between the two candidates.
On taxes and budget choices, the two candidates are way apart. For one, Sen. McCain was initially against the Bush administration tax cuts in 2003. Since then, he has embraced those cuts and the resulting deficits, while proposing a sizeable increase in defense spending. Sen. McCain would even go as far as requiring a two-thirds majority of Congress before raising taxes. Since expenditures would not be so constrained, this would insure permanent budgetary deficits for years to come. On the other side, Sen. Obama proposes that very wealthy individuals contribute more to financing Social Security. He would repeal Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy. He would also like to make the U.S. tax system more progressive by requiring wealthy individuals to contribute proportionally more than those with lower incomes, while providing tax relief to the majority of American taxpayers.
On that score, Sen. McCain is more a follower of George W. Bush, while Sen. Obama adopts the standard Democratic position of favoring the middle class and the poor at the expense of the very rich.
Overall, Sen. Obama seems to be surrounding himself with intelligent, competent and experienced advisers such as former Security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski and former general William Odom. On the other hand, Sen. McCain seems to be emulating President George W. Bush by surrounding himself with lobbyists, and with neocon and far right advisers.
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Accountable
I really do believe the majority of Americans want something fresh and explosive in the White House. Mcant is neither of those things. Fresh and explosive, yes. That's what radical Islamists especially want.
You have a lot of nerve asking me not to lampoon Mcant then in the same breathe come up with this ****.
No dice acc.
I really do believe the majority of Americans want something fresh and explosive in the White House. Mcant is neither of those things. Fresh and explosive, yes. That's what radical Islamists especially want.
You have a lot of nerve asking me not to lampoon Mcant then in the same breathe come up with this ****.
No dice acc.
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Hoss I wasn't having trouble deciding before, and I am not a "potential
leaner".
I believe in an earlier post I said that the wolf issue wasn't the ONLY
reason not to like Palin. And I did take note that the point about the
c-word was totally not responded to.
Hoss, your dad would never use that word nor dare I say allow it to
be used in his presence. Your dad would never have an affair and
divorce your mom after a horribly disfiguring car accident. Those things
speak to the man's moral character.
As for Palin being pro-life... fine but I'm pro responsibility and I think
with four kids already getting pregnant at age 43 when the incidence
of birth defects is significantly higher is irresponsible at best.
I do have a lot of respect for McCain's service to his country. I think
when he was running for governor, some sort of "carpetbagger" slam
was brought up because he wasn't a resident for very long and he
replied to it by saying prior to Ariz. residency, the longest he'd lived
in any one place was Hanoi.
It was pretty neat seeing clips of Palin using a firearm. That and
McCain being a POW just aren't enough when put up against other
failings.
I try to respect my president because he IS my president, he made it
to that office not me, but he makes it very difficult.
leaner".
I believe in an earlier post I said that the wolf issue wasn't the ONLY
reason not to like Palin. And I did take note that the point about the
c-word was totally not responded to.
Hoss, your dad would never use that word nor dare I say allow it to
be used in his presence. Your dad would never have an affair and
divorce your mom after a horribly disfiguring car accident. Those things
speak to the man's moral character.
As for Palin being pro-life... fine but I'm pro responsibility and I think
with four kids already getting pregnant at age 43 when the incidence
of birth defects is significantly higher is irresponsible at best.
I do have a lot of respect for McCain's service to his country. I think
when he was running for governor, some sort of "carpetbagger" slam
was brought up because he wasn't a resident for very long and he
replied to it by saying prior to Ariz. residency, the longest he'd lived
in any one place was Hanoi.
It was pretty neat seeing clips of Palin using a firearm. That and
McCain being a POW just aren't enough when put up against other
failings.
I try to respect my president because he IS my president, he made it
to that office not me, but he makes it very difficult.
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Overall, Sen. Obama seems to be surrounding himself with intelligent, competent and experienced advisers such as former Security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski and former general William Odom. On the other hand, Sen. McCain seems to be emulating President George W. Bush by surrounding himself with lobbyists, and with neocon and far right advisers.
I don't agree with that. But I thank you very much for the list, Nomad. You gave a nice and orderly overview of his views, which I think is helpful.
I don't agree with that. But I thank you very much for the list, Nomad. You gave a nice and orderly overview of his views, which I think is helpful.
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I don't know where this came from but it looks to be as accurate as most infromation available these days.
2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE COMPARISON
Favors new drilling offshore US
McCain Yes
Obama No
Will appoint judges who interpret the law not make it
McCain Yes
Obama No
Served in the US Armed Forces
McCain Yes
Obama No
Amount of time served in the US Senate
McCain 22 YEARS
Obama 173 DAYS
Will institute a socialized national health care plan
McCain No
Obama Yes
Supports abortion throughout the pregnancy
McCain No
Obama Yes
Would pull troops out of Iraq immediately
McCain No
Obama Yes
Supports gun ownership rights
McCain Yes
Obama No
Supports homosexual marriage
McCain No
Obama Yes
Proposed programs will mean a huge tax increase
McCain No
Obama Yes
Voted against making English the official language
McCain No
Obama Yes
Voted to give Social Security benefits to illegals
McCain No
Obama Yes
CAPITAL GAINS TAX
MCCAIN
0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples). McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.
OBAMA
28% on profit from ALL home sales. (How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income..)
DIVIDEND TAX
MCCAIN
15% (no change)
OBAMA
39.6% - (How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes president. The experts predict that 'Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market, yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.')
INCOME TAX
MCCAIN
(no changes)
Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250
OBAMA (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750
Under Obama, your taxes could almost double!
INHERITANCE TAX
MCCAIN
- 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)
OBAMA
Restore the inheritance tax
Many families have lost businesses, farms, ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will only lose them to these taxes.
NEW TAXES PROPOSED BY OBAMA
New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet. New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already) New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity) New taxes on retirement accounts, and last but not least....New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as third-world countries!!!
Verify the above at the following web sites:
http://money.cnn.com/news/specials/elec ... index.html
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues ... taxes.html
http://elections.foxnews.com/?s=proposed+taxes
http://bulletin.aarp.org/yourworld/poli ... taxes.html
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-che ... ack_obama/
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-che ... hn_mccain/
2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE COMPARISON
Favors new drilling offshore US
McCain Yes
Obama No
Will appoint judges who interpret the law not make it
McCain Yes
Obama No
Served in the US Armed Forces
McCain Yes
Obama No
Amount of time served in the US Senate
McCain 22 YEARS
Obama 173 DAYS
Will institute a socialized national health care plan
McCain No
Obama Yes
Supports abortion throughout the pregnancy
McCain No
Obama Yes
Would pull troops out of Iraq immediately
McCain No
Obama Yes
Supports gun ownership rights
McCain Yes
Obama No
Supports homosexual marriage
McCain No
Obama Yes
Proposed programs will mean a huge tax increase
McCain No
Obama Yes
Voted against making English the official language
McCain No
Obama Yes
Voted to give Social Security benefits to illegals
McCain No
Obama Yes
CAPITAL GAINS TAX
MCCAIN
0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples). McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.
OBAMA
28% on profit from ALL home sales. (How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income..)
DIVIDEND TAX
MCCAIN
15% (no change)
OBAMA
39.6% - (How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes president. The experts predict that 'Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market, yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.')
INCOME TAX
MCCAIN
(no changes)
Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250
OBAMA (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750
Under Obama, your taxes could almost double!
INHERITANCE TAX
MCCAIN
- 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)
OBAMA
Restore the inheritance tax
Many families have lost businesses, farms, ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will only lose them to these taxes.
NEW TAXES PROPOSED BY OBAMA
New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet. New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already) New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity) New taxes on retirement accounts, and last but not least....New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as third-world countries!!!
Verify the above at the following web sites:
http://money.cnn.com/news/specials/elec ... index.html
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues ... taxes.html
http://elections.foxnews.com/?s=proposed+taxes
http://bulletin.aarp.org/yourworld/poli ... taxes.html
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-che ... ack_obama/
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-che ... hn_mccain/
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Thanks for this post clint.
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Clint, much of that is preposterous.
Will appoint judges who interpret the law not make it
McCain Yes
Obama No
Judges dont make law. Anything else ?
Will institute a socialized national health care plan
McCain No
Obama Yes
How exactly would he do this without support from Congress ?
Billary couldnt do it and thats the ticket they ran on. Reform health care. Nothing came of it.
Supports abortion throughout the pregnancy
McCain No
Obama Yes
Obama supports 9th month abortions ?
Give me a break.
Supports gun ownership rights
McCain Yes
Obama No
Obama's response on the 2nd Amdendment:
"Dear Friend,
Thank you for contacting me about gun laws and the Second Amendment. I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue. Americans broadly agree that guns must be kept from those who may pose a threat, and that the rights of legitimate hunters and sportsmen should be protected.
We must work to ensure that guns do not fall into the hands of criminals or the mentally ill through an effective background check system. We also have to strike a reasonable balance between public safety and sportsmen's rights.
I will continue to work for effective gun laws, including reinstatement of the assault weapons ban that the last Congress allowed to expire, and effective law enforcement. I will also speak out against the culture of violence that traps so many of our young people.
Thank you again for contacting me on this important issue.
Sincerely,
Barack Obama"
I dont see a problem here.
Voted against making English the official language
McCain No
Obama Yes
Whatever !
The subject is a non issue.
Ive been speaking English all my life and so have all of the people Ive encountered. Ive never had a language barrier here.
If someone chooses not to learn the language, well I guess theyre just going to have a tough time communicating arent they ?
Will appoint judges who interpret the law not make it
McCain Yes
Obama No
Judges dont make law. Anything else ?
Will institute a socialized national health care plan
McCain No
Obama Yes
How exactly would he do this without support from Congress ?
Billary couldnt do it and thats the ticket they ran on. Reform health care. Nothing came of it.
Supports abortion throughout the pregnancy
McCain No
Obama Yes
Obama supports 9th month abortions ?
Give me a break.
Supports gun ownership rights
McCain Yes
Obama No
Obama's response on the 2nd Amdendment:
"Dear Friend,
Thank you for contacting me about gun laws and the Second Amendment. I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue. Americans broadly agree that guns must be kept from those who may pose a threat, and that the rights of legitimate hunters and sportsmen should be protected.
We must work to ensure that guns do not fall into the hands of criminals or the mentally ill through an effective background check system. We also have to strike a reasonable balance between public safety and sportsmen's rights.
I will continue to work for effective gun laws, including reinstatement of the assault weapons ban that the last Congress allowed to expire, and effective law enforcement. I will also speak out against the culture of violence that traps so many of our young people.
Thank you again for contacting me on this important issue.
Sincerely,
Barack Obama"
I dont see a problem here.
Voted against making English the official language
McCain No
Obama Yes
Whatever !
The subject is a non issue.
Ive been speaking English all my life and so have all of the people Ive encountered. Ive never had a language barrier here.
If someone chooses not to learn the language, well I guess theyre just going to have a tough time communicating arent they ?
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"Dear Friend,
Thank you for contacting me about gun laws and the Second Amendment. I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue. Americans broadly agree that guns must be kept from those who may pose a threat, and that the rights of legitimate hunters and sportsmen should be protected.
We must work to ensure that guns do not fall into the hands of criminals or the mentally ill through an effective background check system. We also have to strike a reasonable balance between public safety and sportsmen's rights.
I will continue to work for effective gun laws, including reinstatement of the assault weapons ban that the last Congress allowed to expire, and effective law enforcement. I will also speak out against the culture of violence that traps so many of our young people.
Thank you again for contacting me on this important issue.
Sincerely,
Barack Obama"
There has been many new and more oppressive gun laws passed since gun enthusiasts first started hearing the above bucket of crap.
Thank you for contacting me about gun laws and the Second Amendment. I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue. Americans broadly agree that guns must be kept from those who may pose a threat, and that the rights of legitimate hunters and sportsmen should be protected.
We must work to ensure that guns do not fall into the hands of criminals or the mentally ill through an effective background check system. We also have to strike a reasonable balance between public safety and sportsmen's rights.
I will continue to work for effective gun laws, including reinstatement of the assault weapons ban that the last Congress allowed to expire, and effective law enforcement. I will also speak out against the culture of violence that traps so many of our young people.
Thank you again for contacting me on this important issue.
Sincerely,
Barack Obama"
There has been many new and more oppressive gun laws passed since gun enthusiasts first started hearing the above bucket of crap.
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I'm a Democrate and I'm not convinced Obama can run a Country. I will say Biden was a good choice for VP as Obama has no experience running anything at all. He is a great speaker and so far that's it.
McCain has decades of experience and clearly that has to play a part. Palin has more experience that Obama running a State even if it is Alaska she has taken on tough opponents and won. Frankly I see her as a Plus for McCain.
I'm so torn this election that I get sick to my stomach thinking either one of them will be running the Country. Sorry I'm still on the fence as to who I will vote for. :-5
McCain has decades of experience and clearly that has to play a part. Palin has more experience that Obama running a State even if it is Alaska she has taken on tough opponents and won. Frankly I see her as a Plus for McCain.
I'm so torn this election that I get sick to my stomach thinking either one of them will be running the Country. Sorry I'm still on the fence as to who I will vote for. :-5
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"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
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Have any channels re-run The Candidate recently?
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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hoppy;968585 wrote: "Dear Friend,
Thank you for contacting me about gun laws and the Second Amendment. I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue. Americans broadly agree that guns must be kept from those who may pose a threat, and that the rights of legitimate hunters and sportsmen should be protected.
We must work to ensure that guns do not fall into the hands of criminals or the mentally ill through an effective background check system. We also have to strike a reasonable balance between public safety and sportsmen's rights.
I will continue to work for effective gun laws, including reinstatement of the assault weapons ban that the last Congress allowed to expire, and effective law enforcement. I will also speak out against the culture of violence that traps so many of our young people.
Thank you again for contacting me on this important issue.
Sincerely,
Barack Obama"
There has been many new and more oppressive gun laws passed since gun enthusiasts first started hearing the above bucket of crap.
Which part is the bucket of crap ?
You prefer assault weapons be accessible ?
You would like to see mentally ill people carrying ?
You dont want to protect gun owners rights ?
I dont get it.
Thank you for contacting me about gun laws and the Second Amendment. I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue. Americans broadly agree that guns must be kept from those who may pose a threat, and that the rights of legitimate hunters and sportsmen should be protected.
We must work to ensure that guns do not fall into the hands of criminals or the mentally ill through an effective background check system. We also have to strike a reasonable balance between public safety and sportsmen's rights.
I will continue to work for effective gun laws, including reinstatement of the assault weapons ban that the last Congress allowed to expire, and effective law enforcement. I will also speak out against the culture of violence that traps so many of our young people.
Thank you again for contacting me on this important issue.
Sincerely,
Barack Obama"
There has been many new and more oppressive gun laws passed since gun enthusiasts first started hearing the above bucket of crap.
Which part is the bucket of crap ?
You prefer assault weapons be accessible ?
You would like to see mentally ill people carrying ?
You dont want to protect gun owners rights ?
I dont get it.
I AM AWESOME MAN
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Nomad;968595 wrote: Which part is the bucket of crap ?
You prefer assault weapons be accessible ?
You would like to see mentally ill people carrying ?
You dont want to protect gun owners rights ?
I dont get it.
You don't get it because you believe Obama. An unknown nobody who done nothing, a short while ago. Now, he's presidential material? God help us.
You prefer assault weapons be accessible ?
You would like to see mentally ill people carrying ?
You dont want to protect gun owners rights ?
I dont get it.
You don't get it because you believe Obama. An unknown nobody who done nothing, a short while ago. Now, he's presidential material? God help us.
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2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE COMPARISON
Would pull troops out of Iraq immediately
McCain No
Obama Yes
And we should stay because its been wildly successful or because Iraq did what to us ?
Supports gun ownership rights
McCain Yes
Obama No
Total falsehood and fabricated lie.
Supports homosexual marriage
McCain No
Obama Yes
And ?
As far as I know this is a state issue.
Am I wrong ?
Proposed programs will mean a huge tax increase
McCain No
Obama Yes
This is what kills me. Our present Republican administration has decimated our economy. Hes spent more money than any president in our history back to Washington. Hes fiscally irresponsible and Mcant has already stated economy isnt his best arena. WTF ?
Our income has gone down were still all getting taxed up the yazoo. Bush has had 8 yrs to fulfill this Utopian dream of free flowing wealth and now we want more of the same ?
The frickin guy doesnt even know how many houses he owns !!!!
Voted to give Social Security benefits to illegals
McCain No
Obama Yes
You have to pay in to SS in order to draw from SS. Illegals are paying in now ?
What did I miss ?
2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE COMPARISON
Would pull troops out of Iraq immediately
McCain No
Obama Yes
And we should stay because its been wildly successful or because Iraq did what to us ?
Supports gun ownership rights
McCain Yes
Obama No
Total falsehood and fabricated lie.
Supports homosexual marriage
McCain No
Obama Yes
And ?
As far as I know this is a state issue.
Am I wrong ?
Proposed programs will mean a huge tax increase
McCain No
Obama Yes
This is what kills me. Our present Republican administration has decimated our economy. Hes spent more money than any president in our history back to Washington. Hes fiscally irresponsible and Mcant has already stated economy isnt his best arena. WTF ?
Our income has gone down were still all getting taxed up the yazoo. Bush has had 8 yrs to fulfill this Utopian dream of free flowing wealth and now we want more of the same ?
The frickin guy doesnt even know how many houses he owns !!!!
Voted to give Social Security benefits to illegals
McCain No
Obama Yes
You have to pay in to SS in order to draw from SS. Illegals are paying in now ?
What did I miss ?
I AM AWESOME MAN
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hoppy;968597 wrote: You don't get it because you believe Obama. An unknown nobody who done nothing, a short while ago. Now, he's presidential material? God help us.
My question is exactly what part is crap ?
My question is exactly what part is crap ?
I AM AWESOME MAN
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Nomad;968606 wrote: My question is exactly what part is crap ?
The whole Obama thing. Running a nobody just because he's
1. Black.
2. Can read a speech.
I'll agree with you on ONE thing. You have every right to pi$$ away your vote on Obama if you choose to. I'll vote for the proven leaders. McCAIN -PALIN. OOOHRAH!
The whole Obama thing. Running a nobody just because he's
1. Black.
2. Can read a speech.
I'll agree with you on ONE thing. You have every right to pi$$ away your vote on Obama if you choose to. I'll vote for the proven leaders. McCAIN -PALIN. OOOHRAH!
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spot;968593 wrote: Have any channels re-run The Candidate recently?
That's the difference between liberals and conservatives. Liberals will watch a movie and take it to heart conservatives deal with real life.
That's the difference between liberals and conservatives. Liberals will watch a movie and take it to heart conservatives deal with real life.
Schooling results in matriculation. Education is a process that changes the learner.
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hoppy;968445 wrote: The fun part is, nobama HAD to spend that kind of money just to be where he is. Lol.
Stop with the Nobama stuff, Pleeeeese. There's plenty of real stuff on both sides to argue without taking pot shots.
Stop with the Nobama stuff, Pleeeeese. There's plenty of real stuff on both sides to argue without taking pot shots.
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Nomad;968455 wrote: Who does have the proper experience to be Pres ?
No one. No one can walk into the office with all their ducks in a row.
The candidates have to align themselves with people that have been in the White House, they have to bring on people that have experiences that can be relied on.
Bush didnt know how to be a President. He had to pick people that he trusted with Im sure advice from his father considering the people he did pick.
They have to walk in with an agenda and then make good choices.
I think the experience issue is being overblown because its such a unique job. Without question theres a learning curve for everyone that walks through those doors for the first time. We'll never see what goes on behind closed doors in the decision making process, what we will see is game face.Yeh, the job's too big for one person to know going in. There's too many things so secret that only the President and maybe a couple other people in the world could know, and any new president-elect is going to catch them cold.
Nomad wrote: Also accountable if your worried about a Democratic govt expanding the Fed I have to scoff because George W. Bush will be remembered as the president who bankrupted America.
Worrying that the Dems will expand the gov't doesn't mean I think the Repubs will shrink it. Both parties are bad for America. If I had the right magic wand (mine's just for flowers), the federal gov't would get no money at all from citizens, corporations, or anyone else. The states would decide how much they would allow the fed to have from them. They would be limited to only what the Constitution allows them to do, as it should be. Unfortunately, the House and Senate (and most of the citizens) have forgotten that their job is not to run the country.
I blame FDR for getting that particular ball rolling.
No one. No one can walk into the office with all their ducks in a row.
The candidates have to align themselves with people that have been in the White House, they have to bring on people that have experiences that can be relied on.
Bush didnt know how to be a President. He had to pick people that he trusted with Im sure advice from his father considering the people he did pick.
They have to walk in with an agenda and then make good choices.
I think the experience issue is being overblown because its such a unique job. Without question theres a learning curve for everyone that walks through those doors for the first time. We'll never see what goes on behind closed doors in the decision making process, what we will see is game face.Yeh, the job's too big for one person to know going in. There's too many things so secret that only the President and maybe a couple other people in the world could know, and any new president-elect is going to catch them cold.
Nomad wrote: Also accountable if your worried about a Democratic govt expanding the Fed I have to scoff because George W. Bush will be remembered as the president who bankrupted America.
Worrying that the Dems will expand the gov't doesn't mean I think the Repubs will shrink it. Both parties are bad for America. If I had the right magic wand (mine's just for flowers), the federal gov't would get no money at all from citizens, corporations, or anyone else. The states would decide how much they would allow the fed to have from them. They would be limited to only what the Constitution allows them to do, as it should be. Unfortunately, the House and Senate (and most of the citizens) have forgotten that their job is not to run the country.
I blame FDR for getting that particular ball rolling.
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hoppy;968456 wrote: IMHO, muslim countries hate because hating is a way of life for them. Asians hate because they "lose face" at the drop of a word. Euro's dislike the USA because we are more independent than they could ever hope to be. Why do you think they came up with the EU? Some euro's confuse being contrary with being independent.
You're going to hurt your back, swinging that broad brush around like that.
You're going to hurt your back, swinging that broad brush around like that.
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Nomad;968461 wrote: You have a lot of nerve asking me not to lampoon Mcant then in the same breathe come up with this ****.
No dice acc.
Bad attempt at levity. Sorry.
No dice acc.
Bad attempt at levity. Sorry.