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guppy;445802 wrote: did you know that police dogs are trained to give a certain sign if they smell pot on you or your vehicle. so if you ever have one come up to you looking all friendly, i would get a little paranoid. he might look innocent but he is telling on ya too. :wah:
I knew it! It's not just salmon that gets smoked.

Peg;445798 wrote: If the cop were your child, spouse, father, brother, etc., would you still rather the cop get shot than the dog?
HI PEG!!

Hi Acc!:-4

guppy;445802 wrote: did you know that police dogs are trained to give a certain sign if they smell pot on you or your vehicle. so if you ever have one come up to you looking all friendly, i would get a little paranoid. he might look innocent but he is telling on ya too. :wah:


The question is Gupp, Why would you care.

Peg;445798 wrote: If the cop were your child, spouse, father, brother, etc., would you still rather the cop get shot than the dog?




There's always got to be one who will pose a hypothetical like this

Peg, you and I have been around before, so I'm not even going to answer this one. You know animals are just as important to me as humans, and I know they come second rate to you. So let's not go there again.

YZGI;445903 wrote: The question is Gupp, Why would you care.


i dont really but it is comical whn someone is standing there looking all innocent and talking to the doggy and the doggy is telling the cop "i smell pot"

guppy;445921 wrote: i dont really but it is comical whn someone is standing there looking all innocent and talking to the doggy and the doggy is telling the "
Next time I hear a cop dog telling a cop he smells pot I will just give up.

:Officer did your dog just talk to you? Your right I must have been smoking pot.:-5

YZGI;445927 wrote: Next time I hear a cop dog telling a cop he smells pot I will just give up.

:Officer did your dog just talk to you? Your right I must have been smoking pot.:-5


wise ass!!!:wah:

Peg;445798 wrote: If the cop were your child, spouse, father, brother, etc., would you still rather the cop get shot than the dog?


I think it is a fair question hypothetical or not. Which would you rather get shot then?

i wouldn't want either one of the them to get shot but the eithical choice would be the dog. they are put on this earth for humans to take care of and give a good life. but you cannot compare the value of a human life to that of a dog. no matter how you argue it.

[QUOTE=RedGlitter;436612]

Yes, I would rather the cop get shot than the dog, damned straight. I make no apologies for that whatsoever.

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I make no apologies for putting more value on human life than animals. I love animals dearly, but humans will always come first with me.

Well Peg, if you knew what I had said, then why did you bother asking again?

Seems to me like you would like to stir things up again and I just can't be bothered.



There's always some individual who will take an animal discussion and pose a "which would you save?" question just for kicks. It's old.

RedGlitter;446080 wrote: Well Peg, if you knew what I had said, then why did you bother asking again?

Seems to me like you would like to stir things up again and I just can't be bothered.



There's always some individual who will take an animal discussion and pose a "which would you save?" question just for kicks. It's old.


It's a valid question and you seem to want to avoid answering it. That in itself says a lot.

Peg;446176 wrote: It's a valid question and you seem to want to avoid answering it. That in itself says a lot.




What it says it that it's a stupid question and I am not answering it because I don't feel like an argument today. Why I should be expected to explain my convictions to you or anyone else, is beyond me. I haven't tried to change your mind about the way you feel so what's your game here, Peg? You seem argumentative today.

I think it's sad that you seem to be trying to reduce the actual discussion we were having about police dogs into a hypothetical argument. I said my piece, how I felt, and I was done. So where have you been before this Peg? I thought you would have been here before now.

RedGlitter;446182 wrote: What it says it that's it's a stupid question and I am not answering it because I don't feel like an argument today. Why I should be expected to explain my convictions to you or anyone else, is beyond me. I haven't tried to change your mind about the way you feel so what's your game here, Peg? You seem argumentative today.

I think it's sad that you seem to be trying to reduce the actual discussion we were having about police dogs into a hypothetical argument. I said my piece, how I felt, and I was done. So where have you been before this Peg? I thought you would have been here before now.


LOL Red Glitter

You don't have to explain, so true. I just hope that God never gives you the choice as to whether me or your dog should live.:-3

hate to say it but there are several people who would get shot if i had to chose my dog or them. :-3 (no one on fg):D

guppy;446532 wrote: hate to say it but there are several people who would get shot if i had to chose my dog or them. :-3 (no one on fg):D


Guess I'll have to leave this place. I kind of like being more important than a dog. I figure I am no better than anyone else.

If we killed all the people in the world that some considered of less value than a dog, all the people some consider not deserving to be alive, there would be few people left in the world because every person like that has a different list and who knows is on that list. I am probably on somebody's list. I know a few people who hate my guts cuz I don't litter

Weber , i was kidding. get a grip. i am the last person who would hurt anybody.

guppy;446593 wrote: Weber , i was kidding. get a grip. i am the last person who would hurt anybody.




Who me? I didn't say that Gotta take a new outlook. Ohno cuz it wasn't me.......someone named Weber....I am miriam. Hey I just might get my name back. Sorry Guppy, it is an issue that hairs me up real bad. I hope it is not a bad thing but I am a Christian and human life is very important to me. Without it I wouldn't be here. I guess that without human life none of us would be here.

Sorry Guppy, I know you wouldn't hurt a flea.

May the dear Lord be kind and let this thread wend its way up the ladder to page 2, then 3, the 4 then out the door.

weber;446552 wrote: Guess I'll have to leave this place. I kind of like being more important than a dog. I figure I am no better than anyone else.


You may say that Weber, but your passive-aggressive manner belies you.



If you want to feel you're more important than God's other creatures, I don't think anyone here is out to change your mind and you sure aren't changing mine. I remember the religious poem you posted not long ago in the "spanking" thread about the Shepherd breaking the little lamb's leg and how you said it was *cute.* Some of us will never forget that. After all, God commanded us to steward the animals.

RedGlitter;446617 wrote: You may say that Weber, but your passive-aggressive manner belies you.



If you want to feel you're more important that God's other creatures, I don't think anyone here is out to change your mind and you sure aren't changing mine. I remember the religious poem you posted not long ago in the "spanking" thread about the Shepherd breaking the little lamb's leg and how you said it was *cute.* Some of us will never forget that.


Oh my, I don't remember saying that poem was cute. I know I said it reminded me of me, I think hmmmmm my memory is not so clear so long. If I offended anyone with that, I am sorry. And I ain't never gonna say I am sorry in this place ever again. And I still think it is a beautiful poem story and whoever wrote it obviously thought so too and whoever printed it thought so too. Afraid that I don't get the drift you're at.

Oh, it's the breaking of the lamb's legs that bothered you. That is just a parable or allegory or euphamism for getting people to know God better by being dependent on Him.....or whatever/whoever you know as a supreme power. It was not meant to be taken literally.

I hurt many people with that eh. Maybe the whole entire forum. WOW.....done in by a poem. Be careful Red.

I give....what is it I'm supposed to be careful of, Weber?

RedGlitter;446650 wrote: I give....what is it I'm supposed to be careful of, Weber?


Who knows Red

I can't remember that far back:guitarist

Ok then...why don't we just agree to disagree on this matter and maybe let this thread end? :-6

"Yes, I would rather the cop get shot than the dog, damned straight. I make no apologies for that whatsoever." quote from Red.----- i have only read page one of this. i love our K-9s. they wear the same badge we do on their collars. we honor them when they die in the line of duty. but to say you'd rather see the cop die is a very hurtful statement to me. i've seen many cops die in the line of duty. the funerals are gut-wrenching. they have wives and children and parents. in fact that statement has offended me in my soul.

lady cop;469279 wrote: "Yes, I would rather the cop get shot than the dog, damned straight. I make no apologies for that whatsoever." quote from Red.----- i have only read page one of this. i love our K-9s. they wear the same badge we do on their collars. we honor them when they die in the line of duty. but to say you'd rather see the cop die is a very hurtful statement to me. i've seen many cops die in the line of duty. the funerals are gut-wrenching. they have wives and children and parents. in fact that statement has offended me in my soul.


I fully agree. I'm sure that was quite painful for you to read, LC.

I choose to take Red's statement as more of a passionate confirmation of her love of animals rather than of her preference for them over human life :-6

I have thought long and hard about this before posting

I believe that in most circumstances, animal life deserves the same consideration as human life.

Yes, humans can decide what line of work they want to go into. Dogs can not.

But here is the rub. For years, the breeds used by our police departments have been specially bred to do what it takes to work with our police departments. They do things that no human can do - sniffing out bombs, drugs, weapons, corpses, and fleeing suspects. Without these dogs to do these jobs, criminals would roam free, commiting more crimes and hurting more people. Without bomb dogs, bombs would go off killing untold hundreds.

It is tragic when a police dog is killed or wounded in the line of duty. I have never heard of a police dog passing away and not getting the same honors as a fallen human officer. They are treated like the heroes that they are.

But to say that the life of a dog (or any other animal is more important then a human life is going a bit too far - IMHO. If my house caught on fire and I had to chose between saving my child or saving my dog - I would save my child.

Hey, LC, maybe you can help me out with this one. I do not have an issue with the K-9 patrol out there. They do serve a valuable purpose, and are well trained to work well with thier handlers.

But...are they given any sort of, I don't know how to put this, de-tox, or whatever when they are retired from the force, to calm down some of the aggression that they are trained for. In other words, are they helped in thier transition from work to retirement....and helped to learn to just be a dog?

I remember once when I had to call the police when my car was vandalized. The cop who responded had a K-9 partner. When the cop went back to his car to write up the report, for my insurance, I just leaned in the door to talk with the officer. Just this act caused the dog to go on alert and growl at me. His handler said not to worry, the dog would relax as soon as he saw I was not a threat.

I was not concerned, as the dog was doing his job...but I wonder how much "untraining" needs to be done?

Marie5656;469400 wrote:

I was not concerned, as the dog was doing his job...but I wonder how much "untraining" needs to be done?


Police dogs are some of the happiest dogs I have ever seen...

I don't much think just because a dog is a police dog, they cease being a dog...That's like asking what a football player does after retirement when all along his dad wanted him to be a football player...know what hes doing?...he's sipping margaritas in the Bahamas with that multi million dollar bank account and a dog dish filled to the rim. :-6

they are family dogs. the officers take them home every night. they take them to elementary schools. they are better trained than most household pets. they never sic someone unless ordered to do so.

A dog that may seem protective in his own space (like the one in the vehicle you saw) is not unusual behavior for any dog, trained to be a police dog or not. I see a lot of dogs when I'm at shows that may act aggressive when inside their crate that wouldn't think of acting that way out of it. Otherwise, they couldn't be a show dog. They have to allow all kinds of strangers to touch them and check their bite and all their parts in determining their conformation. I have known a retired police dog and he was just like any other dog, very good natured:-6

cherandbuster;469281 wrote: I fully agree. I'm sure that was quite painful for you to read, LC.



I choose to take Red's statement as more of a passionate confirmation of her love of animals rather than of her preference for them over human life :-6




Let's not go through this again. Cher, please don't speak for me although I know you mean well. I meant what I said. I put animal life right next to human life on an equal scale. I don't particularly care if anyone finds that offensive or hurtful, as that person probably doesn't care that I am offended or hurt that they think human life is somehow worth more than another of God's creatures who did not ask to be "a police officer." I don't care about posthumous honors or any of that rigamarole and I doubt the dead dog cares either.

i said it before, i'll say it again...i love our K-9s and consider them equals....but you'd rather see me killed? that hurts.

lady cop;469939 wrote: i said it before, i'll say it again...i love our K-9s and consider them equals....but you'd rather see me killed? that hurts.


She didn't say rather, she said equally,..only rather in the case of the dog being sacrificed unnecessarily, and I think that dives into opinion upon such judgement.

:wah:

K.Snyder;469941 wrote: She didn't say rather, she said equally,..only rather in the case of the dog being sacrificed unnecessarily, and I think that dives into opinion upon such judgement.



:wah:she DID say rather....

"Yes, I would rather the cop get shot than the dog, damned straight. I make no apologies for that whatsoever."

I have two ex-K-9's... they are incredibly gentle and intelligent, yet I know they'd give their life to protect me, as I would them. I also have a lil' Parson Jack Russel Terrier and I'm certain she'd also do the very same.

I'm certain most pet owners consider their pets as a part of the family... to lose one is like losing a family member... to others an animal statistically is considered to have a value less than that of a human... I'd say that most feel that way.

lady cop;469939 wrote: i said it before, i'll say it again...i love our K-9s and consider them equals....but you'd rather see me killed? that hurts.


Would you rather see the dog killed? That hurts me. Does that matter to you? I think I make my point.

lady cop;469945 wrote: she DID say rather....

"Yes, I would rather the cop get shot than the dog, damned straight. I make no apologies for that whatsoever."


Yeah but that was in response to when someone had quoted one of her previous posts when she said that she would rather the cop get shot if the dog were forced into a situatuation in the event of not having a choice. ( I believe -- I havent read this post in a while, but I'm quite sure thats right)

I'm not taking sides, just stating facts. :wah:

i've seen our human and K-9 officers killed. i don't like it of course. but you'd rather i were shot and killed? i have kids who would miss me. don't i matter because i'm not an animal? i love animals too.

lady cop;469951 wrote: i've seen our human and K-9 officers killed. i don't like it of course. but you'd rather i were shot and killed? i have kids who would miss me. do i matter because i'm not an animal? i love animals too.


Are you to rying to make this into an argument? We've already had one over this thread. You can dissect what I said any way you want to and you can feel about my opinion any way youw ant to. I am not retracting what I said. The cop can choose to be a cop. The dog is trained to do what he does and I don't care how willingly he dives into a house with a gunman in it or what the scene is, he did not sign up for that and I don't think his life is any less important than that of a human. Period. Your kids missing you does not make the dog any less worthy. Sure you matter. But the dog matters too, just as much in my eyes. Now flame away.

i haven't flamed anyone.

lady cop;469956 wrote: i haven't flamed anyone.


Ok, that's fair, LadyCop. I retract that. I was on the defensive as when I saw this thread pop up again after a very ugly argument over it, my hackles went up. Sorry I was flip.

Diuretic;469988 wrote: Interesting thoughts on dog ownership being akin to slavery.

http://blogs.theage.com.au/thedailytrut ... d_sla.html


It seems the other way around to me as I spend 6 to 8 hours taking care of dogs every day (in addition to a full time job that supports them) and I ask nothing of them other than to look cute and walk on the lead when being shown:-4 This is of course no work at all for a Cocker Spaniel:-4 Looking cute is their forte. Strutting their stuff is their second favorite activity, first is eating:)

ps, I really don't to see anyone or any dog get killed:-1

RedGlitter;469954 wrote: Are you to rying to make this into an argument? We've already had one over this thread. You can dissect what I said any way you want to and you can feel about my opinion any way youw ant to. I am not retracting what I said. The cop can choose to be a cop. The dog is trained to do what he does and I don't care how willingly he dives into a house with a gunman in it or what the scene is, he did not sign up for that and I don't think his life is any less important than that of a human. Period. Your kids missing you does not make the dog any less worthy. Sure you matter. But the dog matters too, just as much in my eyes. Now flame away.


You are truly one of the most assinine posters I have encountered on any internet message board since I got the internet back in 95. How any sane person on this board could try to align themselves with your viewpoint is shocking.

If I have to swerve into/over a dog to avoid hitting a kid in the street on my way to work tomorrow I hope it's one of yours and I also hope that if you are ever unfortunate enough to be trapped under the rubble of a burning building that the S&R dog walks right on by you.

People tell me all the time, they wish they could be my dog. such is the life of riley he's got.........:wah: He's the only dog i know who can go throught the drive through at krystals and get chicken nuggets and they all know his name.

guppy;470585 wrote: People tell me all the time, they wish they could be my dog. such is the life of riley he's got.........:wah: He's the only dog i know who can go throught the drive through at krystals and get chicken nuggets and they all know his name.
Braggart

YZGI;470590 wrote: Braggart


wise guy!!!!:p

guppy;470596 wrote: wise guy!!!!:p
What kind of sauce does little snookums get with his chicken nuggets?