Bored_Wombat wrote: What shall we call someone who kills another human in a rage?
I don't get where you're going at with this.
You either kill someone in self defense, or you don't. One is called murder, the other is called killing in self defense. I made that statement in-case anyone had a different view of what a murderer was, and then simply clarified my opinion in regards to that specific definition of "murderer".
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Diuretic (I enjoy seeing your posts, by the way) "I believe John Stuart Mill once spoke for the death penalty on the grounds that prison (in his day) was such a cruel place that to sentence someone to live there for the term of their natural life was untenable."
+++++++++++ Yes..."in his day" being an important phrase. I would bet you a pint or two that, given the opportunity to interview someone like (convicted murderer) Richard Ramirez ("The Night Stalker," who's been on death row for 20 years and has MARRIED and enjoys quite a fan base) what HE thinks about his situation--he'd tell you that "life" is better than execution. During his incarceration, the people of California have provided Mr. Ramirez with dental care, legal counsel, educational opportunities, etc.
He's a psychopath and we can't ever let him out.
(What BOGGLES my mind is that, despite the fact that he savagely murdered at least a dozen KNOWN victims....some woman thinks he's "loveable" enough to marry him!)
+++++++++++ Yes..."in his day" being an important phrase. I would bet you a pint or two that, given the opportunity to interview someone like (convicted murderer) Richard Ramirez ("The Night Stalker," who's been on death row for 20 years and has MARRIED and enjoys quite a fan base) what HE thinks about his situation--he'd tell you that "life" is better than execution. During his incarceration, the people of California have provided Mr. Ramirez with dental care, legal counsel, educational opportunities, etc.
He's a psychopath and we can't ever let him out.
(What BOGGLES my mind is that, despite the fact that he savagely murdered at least a dozen KNOWN victims....some woman thinks he's "loveable" enough to marry him!)
My candle's burning at both ends, it will not last the night. But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends--It gives a lovely light!--Edna St. Vincent Millay
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K.Snyder wrote: I don't get where you're going at with this.
You either kill someone in self defense, or you don't. One is called murder, the other is called killing in self defense. I made that statement in-case anyone had a different view of what a murderer was, and then simply clarified my opinion in regards to that specific definition of "murderer".
I guess where I'm going is that the legal system should protect the innocent as well as punish the guilty. And the former is more important, because of the getting in wrong has the scope to affect a far wider group of people.
Does "in cold blood" mean in a calm and calculating frame of mind?
In either case, there's lots of way to kill someone in NSW that's not murder nor self defence.
There's assisting suicide. There's criminal negligence. There's dangerous driving occasioning death. There's manslaughter. There's probably some maritime ways.
And there's a funny line with the unborn. Killing one of those is murder if they die because of whatever you did, and if at some point they draw a breath (otherwise you've caused grievous bodily harm).
And there's all sorts of "self defence". If you perceive that someone is threatening you with grievous bodily harm, you can defend yourself by causing grievous bodily harm. However if you kill them, the judge will find you guilty of murder (assuming the system works), because the conduct must be "a reasonable response in the circumstances as perceives them", but the penalty will be less than if he was threatening you with evil looks.
You either kill someone in self defense, or you don't. One is called murder, the other is called killing in self defense. I made that statement in-case anyone had a different view of what a murderer was, and then simply clarified my opinion in regards to that specific definition of "murderer".
I guess where I'm going is that the legal system should protect the innocent as well as punish the guilty. And the former is more important, because of the getting in wrong has the scope to affect a far wider group of people.
Does "in cold blood" mean in a calm and calculating frame of mind?
In either case, there's lots of way to kill someone in NSW that's not murder nor self defence.
There's assisting suicide. There's criminal negligence. There's dangerous driving occasioning death. There's manslaughter. There's probably some maritime ways.
And there's a funny line with the unborn. Killing one of those is murder if they die because of whatever you did, and if at some point they draw a breath (otherwise you've caused grievous bodily harm).
And there's all sorts of "self defence". If you perceive that someone is threatening you with grievous bodily harm, you can defend yourself by causing grievous bodily harm. However if you kill them, the judge will find you guilty of murder (assuming the system works), because the conduct must be "a reasonable response in the circumstances as perceives them", but the penalty will be less than if he was threatening you with evil looks.
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I support the Death Penalty. Rather, I am more for it than against it. I just hope the executioners are very certain the convict is guilty before they kill him or her.
Katy said something that resonates with me. Regarding the methodical act of injecting someone in a glass walled theater. I find that odd too. It's too calculating. I would much prefer the rapist or murderer be killed by his victim's next of kin, if they were able. That would be as close to justice as I could imagine.
Someone mentioned two wrongs don't make a right. I disagree. I firmly believe in comeuppance.
Katy said something that resonates with me. Regarding the methodical act of injecting someone in a glass walled theater. I find that odd too. It's too calculating. I would much prefer the rapist or murderer be killed by his victim's next of kin, if they were able. That would be as close to justice as I could imagine.
Someone mentioned two wrongs don't make a right. I disagree. I firmly believe in comeuppance.
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Bored_Wombat wrote: I guess where I'm going is that the legal system should protect the innocent as well as punish the guilty.
I agree
My idea of "Cold blooded murder" is simply killing someone without being in fear of your life. As far as vehicular homicide is concerned, I categorize that as being careless and in most cases to be an accident. I feel that anyone convicted of vehicular homicide should serve a jail term for their irresponsibility and should never be licensed to operate a motor vehicle for the rest of their life. You could accidentally fling a fork across the dinner table and jab somebody in the throat killing them cold, but I'm not hardly prepared to call it murder. Lets all be realistic.
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My idea of "Cold blooded murder" is simply killing someone without being in fear of your life. As far as vehicular homicide is concerned, I categorize that as being careless and in most cases to be an accident. I feel that anyone convicted of vehicular homicide should serve a jail term for their irresponsibility and should never be licensed to operate a motor vehicle for the rest of their life. You could accidentally fling a fork across the dinner table and jab somebody in the throat killing them cold, but I'm not hardly prepared to call it murder. Lets all be realistic.
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Texas is well known for using capital punishment. I personally support capital punishment however I think we need to go back to public hangings in the town square.
Before you wrinkle your nose and shout "Oh NO!" let me explain WHY.
In the old days, when this type of punishment was delivered people (including children), saw the results of bad choices. They saw immediate consequences for illegal behavior.
Today..the consequence is so far removed from the act that it is hard to associate the two.
There is a film called "Time Changer". It is a "Christian" film but you could just as easily insert any religious theme in there. Basically, the message of the film is, that without a higher authority telling us what the rules are and what we should aspire to be, then one person's opinion as to what is right is just as good as another. It is only when we look towards something, someone "higher" than ourselves that we have a universal concept of right and wrong.
Therefore, just because I say it is wrong to beat and rape children..."you" might think it is OK. Whose opinion counts? Without the higher ruler, it just depends on which side of the fence you are on, or who is the stronger party.
Now...last year or the year before, in Florida, there was a guy who kidnapped, raped and buried alive a 10 year old girl.
While he may have asked for and received forgiveness from God, it is still such a horrific crime because of the type of mentality that would allow a person to do that..... I say string him up from the nearest tree...and I'll whip the horse away from him. They can't kill him fast enough for me. Nor people like him.
There is evil in this world and those who embody evil, and act upon it...should be removed from our society.
People who hurt the defenseless (elderly, children and animals) are the scum of the earth and if we can't kill em...at least let's put them some where so they can kill each other. (Like in the movie "Escape from Manhattan".)
BTW, not that I will ever get the chance, but once I learned that Sweden legalized sex with animals in 1944...I will NEVER consider dating anyone from that country. That is animal cruelty and preverse beyond words.
Yep..I either need to find my own cave to live in or the world needs to get a little more sane.
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Before you wrinkle your nose and shout "Oh NO!" let me explain WHY.
In the old days, when this type of punishment was delivered people (including children), saw the results of bad choices. They saw immediate consequences for illegal behavior.
Today..the consequence is so far removed from the act that it is hard to associate the two.
There is a film called "Time Changer". It is a "Christian" film but you could just as easily insert any religious theme in there. Basically, the message of the film is, that without a higher authority telling us what the rules are and what we should aspire to be, then one person's opinion as to what is right is just as good as another. It is only when we look towards something, someone "higher" than ourselves that we have a universal concept of right and wrong.
Therefore, just because I say it is wrong to beat and rape children..."you" might think it is OK. Whose opinion counts? Without the higher ruler, it just depends on which side of the fence you are on, or who is the stronger party.
Now...last year or the year before, in Florida, there was a guy who kidnapped, raped and buried alive a 10 year old girl.
While he may have asked for and received forgiveness from God, it is still such a horrific crime because of the type of mentality that would allow a person to do that..... I say string him up from the nearest tree...and I'll whip the horse away from him. They can't kill him fast enough for me. Nor people like him.
There is evil in this world and those who embody evil, and act upon it...should be removed from our society.
People who hurt the defenseless (elderly, children and animals) are the scum of the earth and if we can't kill em...at least let's put them some where so they can kill each other. (Like in the movie "Escape from Manhattan".)
BTW, not that I will ever get the chance, but once I learned that Sweden legalized sex with animals in 1944...I will NEVER consider dating anyone from that country. That is animal cruelty and preverse beyond words.
Yep..I either need to find my own cave to live in or the world needs to get a little more sane.
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Well Spinner, I don't know about the religious part because lots of atheists have a sense of right and wrong/moral and immoral. But I agree with everything else you said. Especially the last line about the cave. I often feel that way myself. Sweden did that in 1944? And is it still legal today?? What the heck's in their water over there?!
I wonder about the public executions because in this day, I can practically imagine people buying hot dogs and Sno Cones from the food vendors that would be lined up down the street, so they'd have something to eat during the "entertainment." I'm not necessarily against the public idea though. It's a thought.
Yeah, about that forgiveness stuff. I can't be sure but I think it might be a Patty Loveless or Iris DeMent song that talks about forgiving..."God does but I don't, God will but I won't....and that's the difference...between God and me."
That explains pretty much how I feel about it.
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I wonder about the public executions because in this day, I can practically imagine people buying hot dogs and Sno Cones from the food vendors that would be lined up down the street, so they'd have something to eat during the "entertainment." I'm not necessarily against the public idea though. It's a thought.
Yeah, about that forgiveness stuff. I can't be sure but I think it might be a Patty Loveless or Iris DeMent song that talks about forgiving..."God does but I don't, God will but I won't....and that's the difference...between God and me."
That explains pretty much how I feel about it.
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RedGlitter wrote: I support the Death Penalty. Rather, I am more for it than against it. I just hope the executioners are very certain the convict is guilty before they kill him or her.
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Someone mentioned two wrongs don't make a right. I disagree. I firmly believe in comeuppance.
I'm not sure that the ethical relativism holds up enough for me.
If it's okay to murder a murderer, then there are some people whom it is okay to murder.
So do we have two kinds of murderer? Ones who murdered people who weren't murderers, and ones who only murdered other murderers?
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Someone mentioned two wrongs don't make a right. I disagree. I firmly believe in comeuppance.
I'm not sure that the ethical relativism holds up enough for me.
If it's okay to murder a murderer, then there are some people whom it is okay to murder.
So do we have two kinds of murderer? Ones who murdered people who weren't murderers, and ones who only murdered other murderers?
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Bored_Wombat wrote: I'm not sure that the ethical relativism holds up enough for me.
If it's okay to murder a murderer, then there are some people whom it is okay to murder.
So do we have two kinds of murderer? Ones who murdered people who weren't murderers, and ones who only murdered other murderers?Yes. They're called executioners.
If it's okay to murder a murderer, then there are some people whom it is okay to murder.
So do we have two kinds of murderer? Ones who murdered people who weren't murderers, and ones who only murdered other murderers?Yes. They're called executioners.
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Lulu2 wrote: So, IMHO, life without parole isn't really that dreadful. Consider this...they have education, body-building/exercise, sex (if they want it,) adequate food, music, they can earn privileges and even earn spending money.
As their freedom shrinks, so does their expectation. They survive within the hierarchy of the prison--some become leaders, some followers. They may not thrive, but they're alive and they enjoy a great deal of what life offers.
Their victims, however, do not!
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As their freedom shrinks, so does their expectation. They survive within the hierarchy of the prison--some become leaders, some followers. They may not thrive, but they're alive and they enjoy a great deal of what life offers.
Their victims, however, do not!
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Accountable wrote: Yes. They're called executioners.
What if they're called vigilantes? Would they be committing murder?
What if they're called vigilantes? Would they be committing murder?
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Bored_Wombat wrote: What if they're called vigilantes? Would they be committing murder?There are no fish here, so stop dangling bait. If you have a point, please make it.
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Accountable wrote: There are no fish here, so stop dangling bait. If you have a point, please make it.
Well...OK...I'll bite...LOL!!
vigilante: A member of an organization looking after the interests of a group threatened in some way, especially a self-appointed and unofficial policeman
executioner:A person who carries out a death sentence for the state, usually when presented with a warrant authorizing or ordering him to execute the sentence. The warrant protects the executioner from the charge of murder.
So...does that answer your question??:wah:
Well...OK...I'll bite...LOL!!
vigilante: A member of an organization looking after the interests of a group threatened in some way, especially a self-appointed and unofficial policeman
executioner:A person who carries out a death sentence for the state, usually when presented with a warrant authorizing or ordering him to execute the sentence. The warrant protects the executioner from the charge of murder.
So...does that answer your question??:wah:
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I found these statistics mind boggling.
What's your stand on the death penalty?I favor it76%I oppose it14%Undecided10%Total Votes: 159,515
What's your stand on the death penalty?I favor it76%I oppose it14%Undecided10%Total Votes: 159,515
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Nomad wrote: I found these statistics mind boggling.
What's your stand on the death penalty?I favor it76%I oppose it14%Undecided10%Total Votes: 159,515
What I find amazing is that with so many in favor of the death penalty...how is it that the minority seem to successfully make it appear to be hot issue?
Have you ever seen "The Life of David Gale"? The critics didn't care for it so that is a pretty good indication that it is a good movie. LOL!
I liked it. You might too. Don't go looking it up on the net and spoil the movie...just rent it.
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What's your stand on the death penalty?I favor it76%I oppose it14%Undecided10%Total Votes: 159,515
What I find amazing is that with so many in favor of the death penalty...how is it that the minority seem to successfully make it appear to be hot issue?
Have you ever seen "The Life of David Gale"? The critics didn't care for it so that is a pretty good indication that it is a good movie. LOL!
I liked it. You might too. Don't go looking it up on the net and spoil the movie...just rent it.
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I did see it spin, good film.
Quite a transition from film to the stark and horrifiying reality of beheading an 18 yr old then posing his head for shock value though.
Quite a transition from film to the stark and horrifiying reality of beheading an 18 yr old then posing his head for shock value though.
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Spinner wrote: The warrant protects the executioner from the charge of murder.:wah:
So it is the paperwork that makes the difference between a murderer and an executioner.
If a mass murderer is killed by a person without the paperwork, then they are a murderer, and should be executed.
If a mass murderer is killed by a person with the paperwork, then they are not a murderer, and should go home and sleep soundly.
That's interesting ethically. Are there any other crimes against the person that are legal in the presence of paperwork? Does a doctor perfoming an amputation need a warrant in order to avoid being guilty of GBH?
So it is the paperwork that makes the difference between a murderer and an executioner.
If a mass murderer is killed by a person without the paperwork, then they are a murderer, and should be executed.
If a mass murderer is killed by a person with the paperwork, then they are not a murderer, and should go home and sleep soundly.
That's interesting ethically. Are there any other crimes against the person that are legal in the presence of paperwork? Does a doctor perfoming an amputation need a warrant in order to avoid being guilty of GBH?
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cherandbuster wrote: I'm all for the death penalty when there is irrefutable DNA evidence to prove guilt.
Fry this guy! :-5
I second that!
Fry this guy! :-5
I second that!
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Bored_Wombat wrote: If a mass murderer is killed by a person without the paperwork, then they are a murderer, and should be executed.
If a mass murderer is killed by a person with the paperwork, then they are not a murderer, and should go home and sleep soundly.Close. If a mass murderer is murdered, then the mass murderer murderer is a murderer and should be executed. "killed" as you use it is too vague, and includes self defense.
But snide is snide whether you ask permission or not.
If a mass murderer is killed by a person with the paperwork, then they are not a murderer, and should go home and sleep soundly.Close. If a mass murderer is murdered, then the mass murderer murderer is a murderer and should be executed. "killed" as you use it is too vague, and includes self defense.
But snide is snide whether you ask permission or not.
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Accountable wrote: "killed" as you use it is too vague, and includes self defense.
The case that I was trying to raise is where it is identical to an exectution, except for the paperwork. The victim is powerless, strapped down, and no threat to the murderer.
The case that I was trying to raise is where it is identical to an exectution, except for the paperwork. The victim is powerless, strapped down, and no threat to the murderer.
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Bored_Wombat wrote: The case that I was trying to raise is where it is identical to an exectution, except for the paperwork. The victim is powerless, strapped down, and no threat to the murderer.Purpose and circumstance be damned, eh?
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Bored_Wombat wrote: The case that I was trying to raise is where it is identical to an exectution, except for the paperwork. The victim is powerless, strapped down, and no threat to the murderer.
It doesn't matter if they are a threat to the person performing the execution, what matters is if they are a threat to anyone in society, whether they threaten inmates or people who work and visit within the prison facilities in my opinion. Otherwise, with the exception of blatant accidents I feel that people who have killed without being in fear of their own life, or fearing for the loss of fellow "man", should be locked up for the rest of their natural born life. Life is too coveted to take the risk, just because someone perceives one who has killed as no threat. You do it once, you can do it again. Just because someone who has "murdered" in the past and happens to not "murder" again is merely coincidence and nothing more.
It doesn't matter if they are a threat to the person performing the execution, what matters is if they are a threat to anyone in society, whether they threaten inmates or people who work and visit within the prison facilities in my opinion. Otherwise, with the exception of blatant accidents I feel that people who have killed without being in fear of their own life, or fearing for the loss of fellow "man", should be locked up for the rest of their natural born life. Life is too coveted to take the risk, just because someone perceives one who has killed as no threat. You do it once, you can do it again. Just because someone who has "murdered" in the past and happens to not "murder" again is merely coincidence and nothing more.
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Nomad wrote: I found these statistics mind boggling.
What's your stand on the death penalty?I favor it76%I oppose it14%Undecided10%Total Votes: 159,515
Votes from Texas don't count Nomad.
What's your stand on the death penalty?I favor it76%I oppose it14%Undecided10%Total Votes: 159,515
Votes from Texas don't count Nomad.
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We should brand "murderers" and leave them stranded on an island...
No taxes being waisted and no threat to society...
I think I honestly would do something like that if I had the power to...in fact, I know I would.
No taxes being waisted and no threat to society...
I think I honestly would do something like that if I had the power to...in fact, I know I would.
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Bored_Wombat wrote: So it is the paperwork that makes the difference between a murderer and an executioner.
If a mass murderer is killed by a person without the paperwork, then they are a murderer, and should be executed.
If a mass murderer is killed by a person with the paperwork, then they are not a murderer, and should go home and sleep soundly.
That's interesting ethically. Are there any other crimes against the person that are legal in the presence of paperwork? Does a doctor performing an amputation need a warrant in order to avoid being guilty of GBH?
Well...let's see now..
What makes you married. The application for the License and then standing before a Judge, then filing the paperwork with the court....
Or
Standing before your friends/family/community with a minister of your faith, taking vows and recording the event in your bible, witnesses and the minister...yet no official paperwork?
Hmm....geezzzz....don't know.... hmm..
A License:1> Official or legal permission to do or own a specified thing.
2> Deviation from normal rules, practices, or methods in order to achieve a certain end or effect
How about "Permission to do something that, without the license, would not be legal to do." So...you have no right to marry unless you receive permission from the State? Sieg Heil!
So...If a mass murderer is killed by a person without the paperwork, then they are a murderer, and should be executed.
In today's PC society, I think this would be what happens.
I don't think it is right because... a mass murderer is psychologically and socially retarded and is not capable of living in civilized society. So therefore, someone has to be "politically incorrect" enough to "take the bull by the horns" and shoot his/her ass to smithereens....(I"ll volunteer btw---just think of all the people I would save by doing this....maybe even you if you lived near the mass murdered.
) I think anyone who executes, kills, murders, or in any way puts out the light of life in anyone who is a mass murderer, a serial killer, a madman with a bomb, a torturer of the innocent and animals...what ever scenario you want to dream up...should not only sleep soundly...they deserve a medal too.
Are there any other crimes against the person that are legal in the presence of paperwork?
Sure there are. (Now understand that I do NOT agree with these...I only recognize that they exist.)
You get busted carrying drugs. Where is the crime? Oh...it's on the books (paperwork). But where is the victim? There has to be a victim in order to have a crime. What...no victim? No one pressing charges? You just happened to get caught? BAM! Example #1
You are driving down a lonely road..no one within miles. You are going over the posted speed limit and a cop stops you and gives you a ticket. Where is the crime? Where is the victim? But WAIT!!! It's on the books (paperwork). BAM! Example #2
Want more?
You and your spouse have a child that has cancer. Your faith states that God will heal that child if you believe, so you refuse chemo treatments. After all it is YOUR child.... The hospital appeals to Child Protective Services, they file for a court order and get one...and now they come to your house and remove the child from your home...and force the child to under go chemotherapy. And there isn't a damn thing you can do. BAM! Example #3
And finally...last but by no means least!
Your daughter who is married to a (idiot) man who has abused her to the point that she is in a vegetative state. He has a lover for the past few years and really just wants to get rid of his wife, your daughter because..she is basically an inconvenience. So..he appeals to the courts and the immoral and unethical ass for a judge agrees..and gives permission to have his wife (your daughter)'s feeding tube removed and no water. After almost 2 weeks, she finally succumbs to the Nazi-like treatment that was sanctioned by the "gov't" and she dies. Welcome to the 21st century where it is now "legal" to get the court to murder an innocent person because they have become an inconvenience to the adulterer. (Some may recognize this as the Terri Schiavo Case). BAM! Example #4
You see..there are laws and then there is color of law. There is legal and then there is lawful.
Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
Lawful: Legal: warranted or authorized by the law; having the qualifications prescribed by law; not contrary to nor forbidden by the law; not illegal.
Legal: 1. Conforming to the law; according to law; required or permitted by law; not forbidden or discountenanced by law; good and effectual in law; of or pertaining to the law; lawful
The principal distinction between the terms "lawful" and "legal" is that the former contemplates the substance of law, the latter the form of law. To say of an act that it is "lawful" implies that it is authorized, sanctioned, or at any rate not forbidden by law. To say that it is "legal" implies that it is done or performed in accordance with the forms and usages of law, or in a technical manner.[] For example, a contract or will, executed without the required formalities, might be said to be invalid or illegal, but could not be described as unlawful. Further, the word "lawful" more clearly implies an ethical content than does "legal". The latter goes no further than to denote compliance, with positive, technical, or formal rules; while the former usually imports a moral substance or ethical permissibility.
There is a story about the sheep, who were afraid of the wolves...so they decided among themselves who would carry guns and be the protector for the herd. After several days, the wolves came to feed but the sheep were ready. The armed sheep killed several of the wolves and the wolves left. After many years, the sheep..growing soft and secure in their freedoms...decided that the ones who carried the guns were bad and wanted them ran off. So they voted and the armed sheep lost. They had to leave..they were no longer welcome.
Once the wolves heard about this...they decided to come back to the herd and feed....and indeed they did because there were no protectors any longer.
And the herd who had weapons grew in numbers and strength...and the herd with no protection eventually died out, having been eaten all up by the wolves.
So...I'll carry the guns and you can be dinner. :-6
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If a mass murderer is killed by a person without the paperwork, then they are a murderer, and should be executed.
If a mass murderer is killed by a person with the paperwork, then they are not a murderer, and should go home and sleep soundly.
That's interesting ethically. Are there any other crimes against the person that are legal in the presence of paperwork? Does a doctor performing an amputation need a warrant in order to avoid being guilty of GBH?
Well...let's see now..
What makes you married. The application for the License and then standing before a Judge, then filing the paperwork with the court....
Or
Standing before your friends/family/community with a minister of your faith, taking vows and recording the event in your bible, witnesses and the minister...yet no official paperwork?
Hmm....geezzzz....don't know.... hmm..
A License:1> Official or legal permission to do or own a specified thing.
2> Deviation from normal rules, practices, or methods in order to achieve a certain end or effect
How about "Permission to do something that, without the license, would not be legal to do." So...you have no right to marry unless you receive permission from the State? Sieg Heil!
So...If a mass murderer is killed by a person without the paperwork, then they are a murderer, and should be executed.
In today's PC society, I think this would be what happens.
I don't think it is right because... a mass murderer is psychologically and socially retarded and is not capable of living in civilized society. So therefore, someone has to be "politically incorrect" enough to "take the bull by the horns" and shoot his/her ass to smithereens....(I"ll volunteer btw---just think of all the people I would save by doing this....maybe even you if you lived near the mass murdered.
) I think anyone who executes, kills, murders, or in any way puts out the light of life in anyone who is a mass murderer, a serial killer, a madman with a bomb, a torturer of the innocent and animals...what ever scenario you want to dream up...should not only sleep soundly...they deserve a medal too.Are there any other crimes against the person that are legal in the presence of paperwork?
Sure there are. (Now understand that I do NOT agree with these...I only recognize that they exist.)
You get busted carrying drugs. Where is the crime? Oh...it's on the books (paperwork). But where is the victim? There has to be a victim in order to have a crime. What...no victim? No one pressing charges? You just happened to get caught? BAM! Example #1
You are driving down a lonely road..no one within miles. You are going over the posted speed limit and a cop stops you and gives you a ticket. Where is the crime? Where is the victim? But WAIT!!! It's on the books (paperwork). BAM! Example #2
Want more?
You and your spouse have a child that has cancer. Your faith states that God will heal that child if you believe, so you refuse chemo treatments. After all it is YOUR child.... The hospital appeals to Child Protective Services, they file for a court order and get one...and now they come to your house and remove the child from your home...and force the child to under go chemotherapy. And there isn't a damn thing you can do. BAM! Example #3
And finally...last but by no means least!
Your daughter who is married to a (idiot) man who has abused her to the point that she is in a vegetative state. He has a lover for the past few years and really just wants to get rid of his wife, your daughter because..she is basically an inconvenience. So..he appeals to the courts and the immoral and unethical ass for a judge agrees..and gives permission to have his wife (your daughter)'s feeding tube removed and no water. After almost 2 weeks, she finally succumbs to the Nazi-like treatment that was sanctioned by the "gov't" and she dies. Welcome to the 21st century where it is now "legal" to get the court to murder an innocent person because they have become an inconvenience to the adulterer. (Some may recognize this as the Terri Schiavo Case). BAM! Example #4
You see..there are laws and then there is color of law. There is legal and then there is lawful.
Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
Lawful: Legal: warranted or authorized by the law; having the qualifications prescribed by law; not contrary to nor forbidden by the law; not illegal.
Legal: 1. Conforming to the law; according to law; required or permitted by law; not forbidden or discountenanced by law; good and effectual in law; of or pertaining to the law; lawful
The principal distinction between the terms "lawful" and "legal" is that the former contemplates the substance of law, the latter the form of law. To say of an act that it is "lawful" implies that it is authorized, sanctioned, or at any rate not forbidden by law. To say that it is "legal" implies that it is done or performed in accordance with the forms and usages of law, or in a technical manner.[] For example, a contract or will, executed without the required formalities, might be said to be invalid or illegal, but could not be described as unlawful. Further, the word "lawful" more clearly implies an ethical content than does "legal". The latter goes no further than to denote compliance, with positive, technical, or formal rules; while the former usually imports a moral substance or ethical permissibility.
There is a story about the sheep, who were afraid of the wolves...so they decided among themselves who would carry guns and be the protector for the herd. After several days, the wolves came to feed but the sheep were ready. The armed sheep killed several of the wolves and the wolves left. After many years, the sheep..growing soft and secure in their freedoms...decided that the ones who carried the guns were bad and wanted them ran off. So they voted and the armed sheep lost. They had to leave..they were no longer welcome.
Once the wolves heard about this...they decided to come back to the herd and feed....and indeed they did because there were no protectors any longer.
And the herd who had weapons grew in numbers and strength...and the herd with no protection eventually died out, having been eaten all up by the wolves.
So...I'll carry the guns and you can be dinner. :-6
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Pinky wrote: The Brits did that centuries ago...that's how we have Australians! (Don't kill me Pam, I'm kidding!)
On behalf of Pammie -- God works in mysterious ways :-6
On behalf of Pammie -- God works in mysterious ways :-6
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Bored_Wombat wrote: The case that I was trying to raise is where it is identical to an exectution, except for the paperwork. The victim is powerless, strapped down, and no threat to the murderer.
I can't recall the movie..it is a western with Sam Elliott. In it he is protecting some easterners from some bad men. He is on a rock...sneaks up on the bad guy and pulls his gun. The bad guy is laying in wait to shoot the good family because they want their horses and wagon.
When he realizes Sam Elliot is behind him, he begs for mercy. And Sam's character says "Why is it that those who will show no mercy always beg for themselves?" Then he blows the guy away! (Go S-a-m! Go S-a-m!)
So..are you telling me...that because a murderer is now strapped to a gurney...he is a victim? PLEASE tell me I am misunderstanding you!
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I can't recall the movie..it is a western with Sam Elliott. In it he is protecting some easterners from some bad men. He is on a rock...sneaks up on the bad guy and pulls his gun. The bad guy is laying in wait to shoot the good family because they want their horses and wagon.
When he realizes Sam Elliot is behind him, he begs for mercy. And Sam's character says "Why is it that those who will show no mercy always beg for themselves?" Then he blows the guy away! (Go S-a-m! Go S-a-m!)
So..are you telling me...that because a murderer is now strapped to a gurney...he is a victim? PLEASE tell me I am misunderstanding you!
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Pinky wrote: She's going to kick my arse when she sees that:-3
Like I said...God works in mysterious ways. :yh_bigsmi
Like I said...God works in mysterious ways. :yh_bigsmi
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Spinner wrote: Well...let's see now..
What makes you married. The application for the License and then standing before a Judge, then filing the paperwork with the court....
Or
Standing before your friends/family/community with a minister of your faith, taking vows and recording the event in your bible, witnesses and the minister...yet no official paperwork?
Hmm....geezzzz....don't know.... hmm..
A License:1> Official or legal permission to do or own a specified thing.
2> Deviation from normal rules, practices, or methods in order to achieve a certain end or effect
How about "Permission to do something that, without the license, would not be legal to do." So...you have no right to marry unless you receive permission from the State? Sieg Heil!
So...If a mass murderer is killed by a person without the paperwork, then they are a murderer, and should be executed.
In today's PC society, I think this would be what happens.
I don't think it is right because... a mass murderer is psychologically and socially retarded and is not capable of living in civilized society. So therefore, someone has to be "politically incorrect" enough to "take the bull by the horns" and shoot his/her ass to smithereens....(I"ll volunteer btw---just think of all the people I would save by doing this....maybe even you if you lived near the mass murdered. ) I think anyone who executes, kills, murders, or in any way puts out the light of life in anyone who is a mass murderer, a serial killer, a madman with a bomb, a torturer of the innocent and animals...what ever scenario you want to dream up...should not only sleep soundly...they deserve a medal too.
Are there any other crimes against the person that are legal in the presence of paperwork?
Sure there are. (Now understand that I do NOT agree with these...I only recognize that they exist.)
You get busted carrying drugs. Where is the crime? Oh...it's on the books (paperwork). But where is the victim? There has to be a victim in order to have a crime. What...no victim? No one pressing charges? You just happened to get caught? BAM! Example #1
You are driving down a lonely road..no one within miles. You are going over the posted speed limit and a cop stops you and gives you a ticket. Where is the crime? Where is the victim? But WAIT!!! It's on the books (paperwork). BAM! Example #2
Want more?
You and your spouse have a child that has cancer. Your faith states that God will heal that child if you believe, so you refuse chemo treatments. After all it is YOUR child.... The hospital appeals to Child Protective Services, they file for a court order and get one...and now they come to your house and remove the child from your home...and force the child to under go chemotherapy. And there isn't a damn thing you can do. BAM! Example #3
And finally...last but by no means least!
Your daughter who is married to a (idiot) man who has abused her to the point that she is in a vegetative state. He has a lover for the past few years and really just wants to get rid of his wife, your daughter because..she is basically an inconvenience. So..he appeals to the courts and the immoral and unethical ass for a judge agrees..and gives permission to have his wife (your daughter)'s feeding tube removed and no water. After almost 2 weeks, she finally succumbs to the Nazi-like treatment that was sanctioned by the "gov't" and she dies. Welcome to the 21st century where it is now "legal" to get the court to murder an innocent person because they have become an inconvenience to the adulterer. (Some may recognize this as the Terri Schiavo Case). BAM! Example #4
You see..there are laws and then there is color of law. There is legal and then there is lawful.
Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
Lawful: Legal: warranted or authorized by the law; having the qualifications prescribed by law; not contrary to nor forbidden by the law; not illegal.
Legal: 1. Conforming to the law; according to law; required or permitted by law; not forbidden or discountenanced by law; good and effectual in law; of or pertaining to the law; lawful
The principal distinction between the terms "lawful" and "legal" is that the former contemplates the substance of law, the latter the form of law. To say of an act that it is "lawful" implies that it is authorized, sanctioned, or at any rate not forbidden by law. To say that it is "legal" implies that it is done or performed in accordance with the forms and usages of law, or in a technical manner.[] For example, a contract or will, executed without the required formalities, might be said to be invalid or illegal, but could not be described as unlawful. Further, the word "lawful" more clearly implies an ethical content than does "legal". The latter goes no further than to denote compliance, with positive, technical, or formal rules; while the former usually imports a moral substance or ethical permissibility.
There is a story about the sheep, who were afraid of the wolves...so they decided among themselves who would carry guns and be the protector for the herd. After several days, the wolves came to feed but the sheep were ready. The armed sheep killed several of the wolves and the wolves left. After many years, the sheep..growing soft and secure in their freedoms...decided that the ones who carried the guns were bad and wanted them ran off. So they voted and the armed sheep lost. They had to leave..they were no longer welcome.
Once the wolves heard about this...they decided to come back to the herd and feed....and indeed they did because there were no protectors any longer.
And the herd who had weapons grew in numbers and strength...and the herd with no protection eventually died out, having been eaten all up by the wolves.
So...I'll carry the guns and you can be dinner. :-6
SpinnerGee, what an overachiever you are!
What makes you married. The application for the License and then standing before a Judge, then filing the paperwork with the court....
Or
Standing before your friends/family/community with a minister of your faith, taking vows and recording the event in your bible, witnesses and the minister...yet no official paperwork?
Hmm....geezzzz....don't know.... hmm..
A License:1> Official or legal permission to do or own a specified thing.
2> Deviation from normal rules, practices, or methods in order to achieve a certain end or effect
How about "Permission to do something that, without the license, would not be legal to do." So...you have no right to marry unless you receive permission from the State? Sieg Heil!
So...If a mass murderer is killed by a person without the paperwork, then they are a murderer, and should be executed.
In today's PC society, I think this would be what happens.
I don't think it is right because... a mass murderer is psychologically and socially retarded and is not capable of living in civilized society. So therefore, someone has to be "politically incorrect" enough to "take the bull by the horns" and shoot his/her ass to smithereens....(I"ll volunteer btw---just think of all the people I would save by doing this....maybe even you if you lived near the mass murdered.
) I think anyone who executes, kills, murders, or in any way puts out the light of life in anyone who is a mass murderer, a serial killer, a madman with a bomb, a torturer of the innocent and animals...what ever scenario you want to dream up...should not only sleep soundly...they deserve a medal too.Are there any other crimes against the person that are legal in the presence of paperwork?
Sure there are. (Now understand that I do NOT agree with these...I only recognize that they exist.)
You get busted carrying drugs. Where is the crime? Oh...it's on the books (paperwork). But where is the victim? There has to be a victim in order to have a crime. What...no victim? No one pressing charges? You just happened to get caught? BAM! Example #1
You are driving down a lonely road..no one within miles. You are going over the posted speed limit and a cop stops you and gives you a ticket. Where is the crime? Where is the victim? But WAIT!!! It's on the books (paperwork). BAM! Example #2
Want more?
You and your spouse have a child that has cancer. Your faith states that God will heal that child if you believe, so you refuse chemo treatments. After all it is YOUR child.... The hospital appeals to Child Protective Services, they file for a court order and get one...and now they come to your house and remove the child from your home...and force the child to under go chemotherapy. And there isn't a damn thing you can do. BAM! Example #3
And finally...last but by no means least!
Your daughter who is married to a (idiot) man who has abused her to the point that she is in a vegetative state. He has a lover for the past few years and really just wants to get rid of his wife, your daughter because..she is basically an inconvenience. So..he appeals to the courts and the immoral and unethical ass for a judge agrees..and gives permission to have his wife (your daughter)'s feeding tube removed and no water. After almost 2 weeks, she finally succumbs to the Nazi-like treatment that was sanctioned by the "gov't" and she dies. Welcome to the 21st century where it is now "legal" to get the court to murder an innocent person because they have become an inconvenience to the adulterer. (Some may recognize this as the Terri Schiavo Case). BAM! Example #4
You see..there are laws and then there is color of law. There is legal and then there is lawful.
Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
Lawful: Legal: warranted or authorized by the law; having the qualifications prescribed by law; not contrary to nor forbidden by the law; not illegal.
Legal: 1. Conforming to the law; according to law; required or permitted by law; not forbidden or discountenanced by law; good and effectual in law; of or pertaining to the law; lawful
The principal distinction between the terms "lawful" and "legal" is that the former contemplates the substance of law, the latter the form of law. To say of an act that it is "lawful" implies that it is authorized, sanctioned, or at any rate not forbidden by law. To say that it is "legal" implies that it is done or performed in accordance with the forms and usages of law, or in a technical manner.[] For example, a contract or will, executed without the required formalities, might be said to be invalid or illegal, but could not be described as unlawful. Further, the word "lawful" more clearly implies an ethical content than does "legal". The latter goes no further than to denote compliance, with positive, technical, or formal rules; while the former usually imports a moral substance or ethical permissibility.
There is a story about the sheep, who were afraid of the wolves...so they decided among themselves who would carry guns and be the protector for the herd. After several days, the wolves came to feed but the sheep were ready. The armed sheep killed several of the wolves and the wolves left. After many years, the sheep..growing soft and secure in their freedoms...decided that the ones who carried the guns were bad and wanted them ran off. So they voted and the armed sheep lost. They had to leave..they were no longer welcome.
Once the wolves heard about this...they decided to come back to the herd and feed....and indeed they did because there were no protectors any longer.
And the herd who had weapons grew in numbers and strength...and the herd with no protection eventually died out, having been eaten all up by the wolves.
So...I'll carry the guns and you can be dinner. :-6
SpinnerGee, what an overachiever you are!
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Pinky wrote: I see where BW has a point, but I still think that if thedeath penalty were reintroduced in the UK for proven beyond doubt, sick twisted serial killer cases for instance, it may deter some peoplefrom cmitting crimes of this type. Far too much money is spent onkeeping these types of people institutionalised. My taxesare bad enough as it is. If they can't behave in a human way, let the buggers swing.
Hey..I can solve this real easy!!!!
1. Institute a law that everyone over the age of 21 one must be armed when leaving their house. This way..the bad guys will know they don't have weak victims out there.
2. Shoot to kill...no witnesses-- and no tax money spent on food, medical and clothing:-6
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Hey..I can solve this real easy!!!!
1. Institute a law that everyone over the age of 21 one must be armed when leaving their house. This way..the bad guys will know they don't have weak victims out there.
2. Shoot to kill...no witnesses-- and no tax money spent on food, medical and clothing:-6
Spinner
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Accountable wrote: Gee, what an overachiever you are!
yeah...LOL!! and a "Type A" personality too.
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yeah...LOL!! and a "Type A" personality too.
Spinner
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Pinky wrote: Huh. You just want to watch Pam kick my sorry butt!
*mumble mumble sticks out bottom lip and stamps foot*:D
If it's any conciliation to you...
*Whispers*
I think she can kick my butt too
*mumble mumble sticks out bottom lip and stamps foot*:D
If it's any conciliation to you...
*Whispers*
I think she can kick my butt too
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Pinky wrote: LMAO!!! I just like Pam too much to fight her back! Hopefuly she'll be happy with knocking me out and that will be it:-3
Yeah...you wouldn't want her to have to go "freaky biiaaatch" on you.
Yeah...you wouldn't want her to have to go "freaky biiaaatch" on you.
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Pinky wrote: PMSL!!!! Nah, she wouldn't do a me, haha!
I'm the resident freaky biiiaatch here thankyou very much!:D
When she whoopen your @$$...
She's "Freaky biiaaatch"!
I'm the resident freaky biiiaatch here thankyou very much!:D
When she whoopen your @$$...
She's "Freaky biiaaatch"!
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Pinky wrote: Yeah fair enough! I was thinking freaky in a bit of a different way though:D
:yh_blush
Ok, that made me blush...
You win Pinky.
:yh_blush
Ok, that made me blush...
You win Pinky.
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I was watching a documentary last night about life in prison, and hearing about different peoples crimes they had committed and how they felt about being in prison.
It was then that a guy living in prison gave us a breif description of the crime he had commited. This is what he had to say.
"I've been in prison for nine years. I have 22 more years to go. My crime is murder, upon which I cannibalized. I had thought my father was preventing the second coming of Christ, so I jumped behind him and slit his throat. It was then that he said, "Please don't kill me", then I had realized what I had done. I then said to myself, what's done is done, there's no changing what I did...so I picked his brains out and took a bite".
This person will be released in 22 years...I do not believe this sort of case should allow the release of people who commit these sort of crimes.
It was then that a guy living in prison gave us a breif description of the crime he had commited. This is what he had to say.
"I've been in prison for nine years. I have 22 more years to go. My crime is murder, upon which I cannibalized. I had thought my father was preventing the second coming of Christ, so I jumped behind him and slit his throat. It was then that he said, "Please don't kill me", then I had realized what I had done. I then said to myself, what's done is done, there's no changing what I did...so I picked his brains out and took a bite".
This person will be released in 22 years...I do not believe this sort of case should allow the release of people who commit these sort of crimes.
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K.Snyder wrote: I had thought my father was preventing the second coming of Christ... It was then that he said, "Please don't kill me", then I had realized what I had done. It depends on whether society is best served by keeping mental patients in mental institutions or prisons.
Prisons are cheaper, but they don't serve to help the patient at all, resulting in the care being needed for the rest of their life.
It's six of one and half a dozen of the other really.
Of course mental institutions aren't the only institution that could benefit the country financially by offloading the people under care into the prison system. There are retirement homes, orphanages and special needs institutions too.
Prisons are cheaper, but they don't serve to help the patient at all, resulting in the care being needed for the rest of their life.
It's six of one and half a dozen of the other really.
Of course mental institutions aren't the only institution that could benefit the country financially by offloading the people under care into the prison system. There are retirement homes, orphanages and special needs institutions too.
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Bored_Wombat wrote: It depends on whether society is best served by keeping mental patients in mental institutions or prisons.
Prisons are cheaper, but they don't serve to help the patient at all, resulting in the care being needed for the rest of their life.
It's six of one and half a dozen of the other really.
Of course mental institutions aren't the only institution that could benefit the country financially by offloading the people under care into the prison system. There are retirement homes, orphanages and special needs institutions too.
To be honest I could care less where quacks like this go, as long as they are away from society and cannot harm others...but that's been my entire point in this thread...what if this guy, who obviously needs psychiatric care, we're to have another episode(My guess paranoia) and harms another person who's in the ward or someone who works within the facility? What are we to do with these people? I couldn't live with myself if I sent this guy to a mental institution and he ended up killing someone else. As much as I hate to think of the death penalty, in such cases I am forced to make that an option...no question when it comes to the safety of people in general, I'm sorry.
Prisons are cheaper, but they don't serve to help the patient at all, resulting in the care being needed for the rest of their life.
It's six of one and half a dozen of the other really.
Of course mental institutions aren't the only institution that could benefit the country financially by offloading the people under care into the prison system. There are retirement homes, orphanages and special needs institutions too.
To be honest I could care less where quacks like this go, as long as they are away from society and cannot harm others...but that's been my entire point in this thread...what if this guy, who obviously needs psychiatric care, we're to have another episode(My guess paranoia) and harms another person who's in the ward or someone who works within the facility? What are we to do with these people? I couldn't live with myself if I sent this guy to a mental institution and he ended up killing someone else. As much as I hate to think of the death penalty, in such cases I am forced to make that an option...no question when it comes to the safety of people in general, I'm sorry.
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K.Snyder wrote: I
"I've been in prison for nine years. I have 22 more years to go. My crime is murder, upon which I cannibalized. I had thought my father was preventing the second coming of Christ, so I jumped behind him and slit his throat. It was then that he said, "Please don't kill me", then I had realized what I had done. I then said to myself, what's done is done, there's no changing what I did...so I picked his brains out and took a bite".
You know...it seems like most people will assume this cretin's a mental case for what he did. I agree but I also think he's got an innate evilness to have done such a thing. I suppose so far that's just a judgement call but I don't see any reason why this sicko shouldn't die. There are people who are mentally kill and could/should be "rehabbed." But as much as killing is frowned upon in cilvized society, it can often be explained or even justified. Cannibalism cannot. There's a reason it's beyond taboo.
Yucck.
"I've been in prison for nine years. I have 22 more years to go. My crime is murder, upon which I cannibalized. I had thought my father was preventing the second coming of Christ, so I jumped behind him and slit his throat. It was then that he said, "Please don't kill me", then I had realized what I had done. I then said to myself, what's done is done, there's no changing what I did...so I picked his brains out and took a bite".
You know...it seems like most people will assume this cretin's a mental case for what he did. I agree but I also think he's got an innate evilness to have done such a thing. I suppose so far that's just a judgement call but I don't see any reason why this sicko shouldn't die. There are people who are mentally kill and could/should be "rehabbed." But as much as killing is frowned upon in cilvized society, it can often be explained or even justified. Cannibalism cannot. There's a reason it's beyond taboo.
Yucck.
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RedGlitter wrote: You know...it seems like most people will assume this cretin's a mental case for what he did. I agree but I also think he's got an innate evilness to have done such a thing. I suppose so far that's just a judgement call but I don't see any reason why this sicko shouldn't die. There are people who are mentally kill and could/should be "rehabbed." But as much as killing is frowned upon in cilvized society, it can often be explained or even justified. Cannibalism cannot. There's a reason it's beyond taboo.
Yucck.
Ironically enough he showed a little remorse for what he did after he explained exactly what it was that he did, but that's the main question one has to ask there self, is this person truly remorseful for what they did? I don't think even the most seasoned psychologists can make that assumption...the only person that can truly know their remorse is the person who committed the crime. What is the question, is if this person is capable of doing this in the future, and as I said before I don't think it's correct by any logic for someone to make that presumption based on the fact that they have done this in the past. There is just too much at stake to take that risk, and upon any fear of people within arms reach of these criminals for their life, I then support the death penalty,...I don't give a rats arse if Ghandi himself felt this person was rehabilitated...By this I mean, there is no such thing as rehabilitating a murderer,..only delaying the presumed inevitability which is the simple fact that these people are capable of murder in general. A murderer is a murderer, plain and simple.
Yucck.
Ironically enough he showed a little remorse for what he did after he explained exactly what it was that he did, but that's the main question one has to ask there self, is this person truly remorseful for what they did? I don't think even the most seasoned psychologists can make that assumption...the only person that can truly know their remorse is the person who committed the crime. What is the question, is if this person is capable of doing this in the future, and as I said before I don't think it's correct by any logic for someone to make that presumption based on the fact that they have done this in the past. There is just too much at stake to take that risk, and upon any fear of people within arms reach of these criminals for their life, I then support the death penalty,...I don't give a rats arse if Ghandi himself felt this person was rehabilitated...By this I mean, there is no such thing as rehabilitating a murderer,..only delaying the presumed inevitability which is the simple fact that these people are capable of murder in general. A murderer is a murderer, plain and simple.
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I was just thinking...is a show of remorse the thing that tips the scales?
If this guy was sorry should we let him live? There have been others in history who have claimed remorse but were "mentally ill" and did it again! I personally think you'd have to be ill to carry this off but I don't think putting them in a mental house is the answer.
I am reminded of a man named Albert Fish back in the 1930s, who befriended a family and asked to take their young daughter for ice cream one day. He killed her, dismembered her and cooked her as a roast, complete with potatoes and carrots. She was only *one* of his victims. He even sent a letter to the parents detailing what he did and stating *how delicious and tender* the girl was. I'm getting ill just writing this.
I think society has an obligation to annihilate a ghoul like that.
If this guy was sorry should we let him live? There have been others in history who have claimed remorse but were "mentally ill" and did it again! I personally think you'd have to be ill to carry this off but I don't think putting them in a mental house is the answer.
I am reminded of a man named Albert Fish back in the 1930s, who befriended a family and asked to take their young daughter for ice cream one day. He killed her, dismembered her and cooked her as a roast, complete with potatoes and carrots. She was only *one* of his victims. He even sent a letter to the parents detailing what he did and stating *how delicious and tender* the girl was. I'm getting ill just writing this.
I think society has an obligation to annihilate a ghoul like that.Death Penalty
I agree, R'G, but I also know there are people who would argue the man was obviously a NUTTER and deserved therapy, not execution.
My candle's burning at both ends, it will not last the night. But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends--It gives a lovely light!--Edna St. Vincent Millay