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anastrophe
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i seem to be about fourteen paces behind everyone else today!
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anastrophe wrote: while i'm not reading it this second, i'm pretty sure the TOS forbids obscene, abusive, harrassing, PM's.
PM stands for private message. what happens when someone has in the past shared confidences with someone they were friendly with in PM, then later there's a falling out, and the person who received those confidences decides to post them for all to see, to shame and embarrass the other person? that'd be acceptable under your proposal. and no good would come of it.
it's been my experience that someone who posts someone else's confidential information is paying themself the largest insult.
PM stands for private message. what happens when someone has in the past shared confidences with someone they were friendly with in PM, then later there's a falling out, and the person who received those confidences decides to post them for all to see, to shame and embarrass the other person? that'd be acceptable under your proposal. and no good would come of it.
it's been my experience that someone who posts someone else's confidential information is paying themself the largest insult.
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i'm here because i've been looking for a nice forum for a few months now ...none seemed to fit me right until i got here. i love the atmosphere. i like being able to relax for once.
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flopstock wrote: Yep, great idea until I decide I dont care for what someone PM'ed me and add that to my sig so that I can post their PM...I had a "subsequently" in there to avoid releasing a back-catalogue.
anastrophe wrote: PM stands for private message. what happens when someone has in the past shared confidences with someone they were friendly with in PM, then later there's a falling out, and the person who received those confidences decides to post them for all to see, to shame and embarrass the other person? that'd be acceptable under your proposal. and no good would come of it.The relevation of the confidence would, in your scenario, have been committed by the middle-man. Surely the existing practice forbids what you have him do.
anastrophe wrote: PM stands for private message. what happens when someone has in the past shared confidences with someone they were friendly with in PM, then later there's a falling out, and the person who received those confidences decides to post them for all to see, to shame and embarrass the other person? that'd be acceptable under your proposal. and no good would come of it.The relevation of the confidence would, in your scenario, have been committed by the middle-man. Surely the existing practice forbids what you have him do.
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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The wording of the TOS is very broad. The relevant sections are:
You agree to NOT use the Service to:
upload, post, email, transmit or otherwise make available any Content that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortious, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable;
engage in baiting, trolling, threatening, insulting, or generally disruptive behavior
that covers a lot and any attempt to define what is meant could hardly be considered a complete list. people are very creative.
"invasive of another's privacy" would prohibit the posting of personal info sent in trust by another member. imo, if the PM violates the TOS and the posting of the offensive PM does not also include the poster being abusive in response then I'm interested in how it would be against the TOS to reveal the contents.Though such action should be kept off the public boards and restricted to compost.
the current recourse right now is to forward the abusive PM to admin but newbies don't always know who admin is and I think some people feel like they are being tattle tales. whereas being allowed to confront the member who sent it feels more like self defense.
You agree to NOT use the Service to:
upload, post, email, transmit or otherwise make available any Content that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortious, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable;
engage in baiting, trolling, threatening, insulting, or generally disruptive behavior
that covers a lot and any attempt to define what is meant could hardly be considered a complete list. people are very creative.
"invasive of another's privacy" would prohibit the posting of personal info sent in trust by another member. imo, if the PM violates the TOS and the posting of the offensive PM does not also include the poster being abusive in response then I'm interested in how it would be against the TOS to reveal the contents.Though such action should be kept off the public boards and restricted to compost.
the current recourse right now is to forward the abusive PM to admin but newbies don't always know who admin is and I think some people feel like they are being tattle tales. whereas being allowed to confront the member who sent it feels more like self defense.
Why Are You Here?
As many of you did, I found FG quite accidently. Checking out a new computer.. not knowing a thing... and feeling apalled that I was " giving in" to the world of the internet. I was seperated from family and friends down in Georgia... very lonely and struggling to keep a business afloat. This wonderful place opened up the world for me. I made new friends in England. My time here culminated with the FG meeting that took place this past May in London. Incredible!! I was beginning to feel for a long time, however, that I was compromising my principles by being a member who kept silent as I witnessed some members being verbally abused, or taunted for expressing opinions that were not popular with the " In Crowd" that had become a powerful force in the garden. After two years of being a peaceable? participant , I blew. Not only for me, but for many of my friend/members here who had stated feeling angry and frustrated with what was going on.
I wiped all of my info off the site and tried to give the place up. Couldnt do it. Not because I am a lurker as it is common to call someone who reads here... but because I care about many of the people here and I have been involved in their lives. I tend to expect a lot from people who I think alot of. And I tend to hold them accountable for standards that I practice myself.
By invitation only?? Bad idea. We will miss out on meeting incredible people.
Should public wars be permitted? Absolutely not.
Should people be banned for calling names and personal attacks? Yes, after a warning. But that warning system should hold true for EVERYONE.
PMs are PMs.. I am the one who stated a very long time ago.. that it is a priviledge to be granted the permission to PM someone. It is like knocking on their front door. I have never PMd anything that I am ashamed of or frightened to have revealed.... but I wouldnt like it. I have eventually deleted every PM I have ever received. What would I be saving them for? A book? for crying out loud.
I wiped all of my info off the site and tried to give the place up. Couldnt do it. Not because I am a lurker as it is common to call someone who reads here... but because I care about many of the people here and I have been involved in their lives. I tend to expect a lot from people who I think alot of. And I tend to hold them accountable for standards that I practice myself.
By invitation only?? Bad idea. We will miss out on meeting incredible people.
Should public wars be permitted? Absolutely not.
Should people be banned for calling names and personal attacks? Yes, after a warning. But that warning system should hold true for EVERYONE.
PMs are PMs.. I am the one who stated a very long time ago.. that it is a priviledge to be granted the permission to PM someone. It is like knocking on their front door. I have never PMd anything that I am ashamed of or frightened to have revealed.... but I wouldnt like it. I have eventually deleted every PM I have ever received. What would I be saving them for? A book? for crying out loud.
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anastrophe
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spot wrote: I had a "subsequently" in there to avoid releasing a back-catalogue.
The relevation of the confidence would, in your scenario, have been committed by the middle-man. Surely the existing practice forbids what you have him do.
relevation or revelation? i'm not sure the former is a word.
in any event, i was speaking only of two people, so i have no idea how there's a middle-man.
The relevation of the confidence would, in your scenario, have been committed by the middle-man. Surely the existing practice forbids what you have him do.
relevation or revelation? i'm not sure the former is a word.
in any event, i was speaking only of two people, so i have no idea how there's a middle-man.
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The questions:
1. Should ForumGarden be an "invite" only forum? No.
That prevents the membership from growing with new fresh ideas from un associated members. Forum Garden has sometimes been joined by people just looking for a support group, & it has floruished for them into making many friendships with the existing members.
2. Should we institute a warning system that objectively kicks you off the forums after a certain amount of off-topic remarks? Not sure exactally what is meant by "kicks you off the forums"! If it means the following, then YES! If the same person keeps crossing the lines in a particular thread, and after fair warning was given to that person by admin, & they still cross lines, then consequently that person should be barred from entering "that particular thread". Not necessarily booted from the forum altogether. After several barrings from particular threads, that person should start to self-moderate. If they don't, then all bets are off.
3. Should we allow personal fights on the public forums? Personal fights on "subjects", Yes! Personal "attacks" on each other, NO! If someone wants to get "robust" about a "Subject dear to their heart, or they're passionate about, let them go at it, with facts & or figures, etc! However, as for "personal attacks on one another, & name calling, absolutely Not! See step #2!
4. Should we show a "no-tolerance" stand on personal attacks? YES!
Malicious personal attacks from one FG member on another FG member should not/ can not be tolerated! As soon as that sort of thing starts, many gardeners start to align with their "better friend". Notice I said better friend, as we are all friends in here. Sadly, it then begins to devide the groups into gangs! And then, one friend stands up for a friend, & then on the other side a friend stands up for their friend, & it's off to the races from there!
1. Should ForumGarden be an "invite" only forum? No.
That prevents the membership from growing with new fresh ideas from un associated members. Forum Garden has sometimes been joined by people just looking for a support group, & it has floruished for them into making many friendships with the existing members.
2. Should we institute a warning system that objectively kicks you off the forums after a certain amount of off-topic remarks? Not sure exactally what is meant by "kicks you off the forums"! If it means the following, then YES! If the same person keeps crossing the lines in a particular thread, and after fair warning was given to that person by admin, & they still cross lines, then consequently that person should be barred from entering "that particular thread". Not necessarily booted from the forum altogether. After several barrings from particular threads, that person should start to self-moderate. If they don't, then all bets are off.
3. Should we allow personal fights on the public forums? Personal fights on "subjects", Yes! Personal "attacks" on each other, NO! If someone wants to get "robust" about a "Subject dear to their heart, or they're passionate about, let them go at it, with facts & or figures, etc! However, as for "personal attacks on one another, & name calling, absolutely Not! See step #2!
4. Should we show a "no-tolerance" stand on personal attacks? YES!
Malicious personal attacks from one FG member on another FG member should not/ can not be tolerated! As soon as that sort of thing starts, many gardeners start to align with their "better friend". Notice I said better friend, as we are all friends in here. Sadly, it then begins to devide the groups into gangs! And then, one friend stands up for a friend, & then on the other side a friend stands up for their friend, & it's off to the races from there!
Cars 
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Oops.. I forgot to say why I ws here... I received so much, I wanted to give something back. Encouragement, hope, experience, love. I am far from a snob.. but I eventually discovered that I was only willing to contribute to a place that maintained some class.
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I'm here because I like the people here, and I want to be here..
The questions:
1. Should ForumGarden be an "invite" only forum? No.
2. Should we institute a warning system that objectively kicks you off the forums after a certain amount of off-topic remarks? YES! with specific guideline that must be posted for all members to read so they know this may happen to them.
3. Should we allow personal fights on the public forums? Personal fights on "subjects", Yes! Personal "attacks" on each other, NO!
4. Should we show a "no-tolerance" stand on personal attacks? YES! When it gets personal it gets ugly, and no body looks good then and usually all parties involved know this, but they keep on taking shots at each other. :-5
The questions:
1. Should ForumGarden be an "invite" only forum? No.
2. Should we institute a warning system that objectively kicks you off the forums after a certain amount of off-topic remarks? YES! with specific guideline that must be posted for all members to read so they know this may happen to them.
3. Should we allow personal fights on the public forums? Personal fights on "subjects", Yes! Personal "attacks" on each other, NO!
4. Should we show a "no-tolerance" stand on personal attacks? YES! When it gets personal it gets ugly, and no body looks good then and usually all parties involved know this, but they keep on taking shots at each other. :-5
ALOHA!!
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
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anastrophe wrote: relevation or revelation? i'm not sure the former is a word.
in any event, i was speaking only of two people, so i have no idea how there's a middle-man.Revelation - I type too fast sometimes.
You're quite right, I mis-read the scenario. If I've put up that warning, and someone presents me with confidences, then they're being very foolish. Given that my warning is pre-existent then the subsequent publication is potentially bad form but not to be unexpected. I've given fair warning that I might do just that.
If there were an option that prevented PMs from being sent to me from named individuals, that would be a rational half-way house. I still feel that my profile warning is sufficient.
in any event, i was speaking only of two people, so i have no idea how there's a middle-man.Revelation - I type too fast sometimes.
You're quite right, I mis-read the scenario. If I've put up that warning, and someone presents me with confidences, then they're being very foolish. Given that my warning is pre-existent then the subsequent publication is potentially bad form but not to be unexpected. I've given fair warning that I might do just that.
If there were an option that prevented PMs from being sent to me from named individuals, that would be a rational half-way house. I still feel that my profile warning is sufficient.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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Bill Sikes
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Can't remember. Somehow a gate opened, and this washed up on my doorstep.
Forgive the mixed metaphors (if they are m-).
Forgive the mixed metaphors (if they are m-).
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Bill Sikes
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koan wrote: It is interesting to remember the details of how we got here and why we stayed.
I do not "stay". I am just "here". I can't remember how I got here. I don't mind.
I do not "stay". I am just "here". I can't remember how I got here. I don't mind.
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Bill Sikes wrote: I do not "stay". I am just "here". I can't remember how I got here. I don't mind.There there, Bill. This is the Stockport Workhouse, it's 1874 and you'll feel better in a while. Eat your gruel and get your strength back.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Why Are You Here?
1. Should ForumGarden be an "invite" only forum?
If FG was an invite only forum, I would not be here now. As others have suggested before, this would create a stagnant forum where everyone tends to think the same. This would tend to stymie a varied debate.
2. Should we institute a warning system that objectively kicks you off the forums after a certain amount of off-topic remarks?
I don't think that off-topic remarks is a major problem. The anecdotes that can occur help to lighten some threads. However, this is a problem for serious threads where off-topic remarks can break the flow of the debate. Such threads can be posted in a special forum. It would then be simple enough for a modererator to delete off-topic posts. I would suggest that any member that persists in making off-topic comments in the 'serious' forum could be barred using the software.
3. Should we allow personal fights on the public forums?
No. This should be maintained as the civilised forum it has always been. Personal fights are unacceptable. If anyone has a need to fight, let them use Skype or some other such media away from the forum.
Notwithstanding, it is important to set clear guidelines as to what constitutes personal fighting. Friendly slanging matches could easily be construed as a personal fight and these can occur over a long period of time between people over all threads.
4. Should we show a "no-tolerance" stand on personal attacks?
Again, with regard to 3 above, we have to be certain that what appears to be a personal attack is not in fact a friendly slanging match.
At the moment, the Compost Heap concept works fine. Once a fight breaks out, the thread is lost anyway. It may as well be 'put down'.
It is a shame, and a poor reflection on us, that adults can demean theirselves by fighting with each other. It seems that all reason and sense flies out of the window. Because of this, we cannot be trusted to police ourselves.
It should also be the resposnsibility of the users to report abusive posts, whether abusive to theirselves or to others.
Regarding PMs. These should always be private. However, if I receive a letter, I hold the right to reveal it to a judicial proceeding as proof of abuse, admission, etc. In fact, I have the right to publish the letter without requiring permission from the sender. This is the case in England. Notwithstanding, we need a ruling regarding PMs.
I like Spot's idea regarding making PMs public after receiving abuse. I would modify the ruling to only allow the public posting of abusive PMs. PMs should otherwise remain private except that a member should have the right to make public PMs they have sent (but not those received). With this ruling, there would not be a need to put up a warning that PMs will be published.
IMO.
If FG was an invite only forum, I would not be here now. As others have suggested before, this would create a stagnant forum where everyone tends to think the same. This would tend to stymie a varied debate.
2. Should we institute a warning system that objectively kicks you off the forums after a certain amount of off-topic remarks?
I don't think that off-topic remarks is a major problem. The anecdotes that can occur help to lighten some threads. However, this is a problem for serious threads where off-topic remarks can break the flow of the debate. Such threads can be posted in a special forum. It would then be simple enough for a modererator to delete off-topic posts. I would suggest that any member that persists in making off-topic comments in the 'serious' forum could be barred using the software.
3. Should we allow personal fights on the public forums?
No. This should be maintained as the civilised forum it has always been. Personal fights are unacceptable. If anyone has a need to fight, let them use Skype or some other such media away from the forum.
Notwithstanding, it is important to set clear guidelines as to what constitutes personal fighting. Friendly slanging matches could easily be construed as a personal fight and these can occur over a long period of time between people over all threads.
4. Should we show a "no-tolerance" stand on personal attacks?
Again, with regard to 3 above, we have to be certain that what appears to be a personal attack is not in fact a friendly slanging match.
At the moment, the Compost Heap concept works fine. Once a fight breaks out, the thread is lost anyway. It may as well be 'put down'.
It is a shame, and a poor reflection on us, that adults can demean theirselves by fighting with each other. It seems that all reason and sense flies out of the window. Because of this, we cannot be trusted to police ourselves.
It should also be the resposnsibility of the users to report abusive posts, whether abusive to theirselves or to others.
Regarding PMs. These should always be private. However, if I receive a letter, I hold the right to reveal it to a judicial proceeding as proof of abuse, admission, etc. In fact, I have the right to publish the letter without requiring permission from the sender. This is the case in England. Notwithstanding, we need a ruling regarding PMs.
I like Spot's idea regarding making PMs public after receiving abuse. I would modify the ruling to only allow the public posting of abusive PMs. PMs should otherwise remain private except that a member should have the right to make public PMs they have sent (but not those received). With this ruling, there would not be a need to put up a warning that PMs will be published.
IMO.
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flopstock wrote: See, this takes me back to the toilet seat thread. If everyone else is honoring the privacy notion of PMs, the burden is yours to prove that they have in fact seen your notice, prior to emailing you...else they are justified in expecting that privacy to be honored.Failing which, of course, I can publish and be damned. Perhaps the uncertainty is sufficient to stop people sending me unwanted annoyances? Perhaps we can change the default groundrules for everyone. We'll see what admin says when he descends from the mountaintop.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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flopstock wrote: so, if I'm understanding the gist from several of your recent posts.... so long as it is not you under attack, we should be civil and just let things die a natural death... move on, grow up..etc... but if it's you...'katie bar the door'... open warfare in the threads of the forum?
gotta disagree, sorry.
I've not even suggested that. I've said that if I receive abuse in a PM it goes onto the nearest appropriate thread where everyone can consider whether it was fair comment or not. It's not warfare on my part, it's purely defensive. I'm trying to make that the norm for everyone here, so as to take the sting out of the occasional vile PM abuse that's been an irritation behind ForumGarden for a year now. I can't see a more reasonable means of combating it. What's been tried so far failed to stop either the festering practice or the outbreaks of fighting that were engendered.
gotta disagree, sorry.
I've not even suggested that. I've said that if I receive abuse in a PM it goes onto the nearest appropriate thread where everyone can consider whether it was fair comment or not. It's not warfare on my part, it's purely defensive. I'm trying to make that the norm for everyone here, so as to take the sting out of the occasional vile PM abuse that's been an irritation behind ForumGarden for a year now. I can't see a more reasonable means of combating it. What's been tried so far failed to stop either the festering practice or the outbreaks of fighting that were engendered.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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chonsigirl
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You can:
1. put the writer of the PM on ignore
2. turn off the PM function
3. if you don't do either of these two, delete any PM's written to you from said writer of PM before reading them
These sound like good alternatives, I am sure everyone can think of even more. To post it in a public thread, until there is a policy change, is not acceptable under current policy. Please correct me if I am wrong.
1. put the writer of the PM on ignore
2. turn off the PM function
3. if you don't do either of these two, delete any PM's written to you from said writer of PM before reading them
These sound like good alternatives, I am sure everyone can think of even more. To post it in a public thread, until there is a policy change, is not acceptable under current policy. Please correct me if I am wrong.
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flopstock wrote: I think we've moved off topic sweetie...so, i bow out at the moment.It's a direct response to admin's "I never want to see personal fights - it belongs either in private email or on another "flame" forum" - the thread expanded when he posted his question of how to deal with aggression here. Koan's original question's still active as well.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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chonsigirl
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You are right Pinky, and I also went off topic. Back to koan's original thoughts.............
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spot wrote: I've not even suggested that. I've said that if I receive abuse in a PM it goes onto the nearest appropriate thread where everyone can consider whether it was fair comment or not. It's not warfare on my part, it's purely defensive. I'm trying to make that the norm for everyone here, so as to take the sting out of the occasional vile PM abuse that's been an irritation behind ForumGarden for a year now. I can't see a more reasonable means of combating it. What's been tried so far failed to stop either the festering practice or the outbreaks of fighting that were engendered.
It seems you're being a little contradictory. That's exactally what Val was trying to do in another thread when she asked if she could post abusive PM's sent to her! You didn't seem in favor of that, in that case???:-2
Was not that her purely trying to be "defensive", using your own words!
It seems you're being a little contradictory. That's exactally what Val was trying to do in another thread when she asked if she could post abusive PM's sent to her! You didn't seem in favor of that, in that case???:-2
Was not that her purely trying to be "defensive", using your own words!
Cars
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Peg wrote: I ask myself that more and more. 
you're here because you just can't stand to be away from me and Nomad.
Duh.
you're here because you just can't stand to be away from me and Nomad.
Duh.
Get your mind out of the gutter - it's blocking my view
Mind like a steel trap - Rusty and Illegal in 37 states.
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Keith W wrote: I'm having a strange sense of deja vu here
i love Redheads.
i love Redheads.
Get your mind out of the gutter - it's blocking my view
Mind like a steel trap - Rusty and Illegal in 37 states.
Why Are You Here?
Last year, I was engaged in a small private project looking at the 'tribal' behaviour of communities and people. As forums provide the basis for a community, I included these in my research.
ForumGarden came up on the engine search as did a few others. When I came to try ForumGarden, I found something rather different to the other forums I had tried. And I found myself enjoying it and coming back to it. I have made friends here and I have even met some of the members which is fantastic.
There are many subject fields here, and in time, I hope to be able to engage in a few more of them and make more of a contribution to debate.
ForumGarden came up on the engine search as did a few others. When I came to try ForumGarden, I found something rather different to the other forums I had tried. And I found myself enjoying it and coming back to it. I have made friends here and I have even met some of the members which is fantastic.
There are many subject fields here, and in time, I hope to be able to engage in a few more of them and make more of a contribution to debate.
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Clancy wrote: You raise a very good point, Pinks, but I fear if it was raised at present, even on it's own thread, it would become as some would say confrontational, or courting negativity.
Clancy wrote: I should have expanded , with that, my aplogies :yh_flower
Defending yourself in here to what sometimes goes unseen, makes you a target for having the label troublemaker levelled at you.
And defending a friend, or friends, all of sudden makes you a gang member..
.....s' funny old world , innit
Two very good points!
I think there should be a system whereby you can block someone from pm-ing you.
I don't mean put them on ignore, I don't want to do that. But if someone starts sending abusive pm's yet pretend that butter wouldn't melt on the forum, then I want to block them from pming me. Ignoring them means you miss relevant forum stuff and it beomes frustrating. If you each block each other you can ignore all the behind-the-scenes rubbish!
As Clancy says, if you defend someone you are immediately considered a 'gang member' for them! You should be able to stand up for a stranger and just say "Hey, I think they're getting a raw deal" which is your opinion, without being called names and sworn at in pm's. No wonder people leave.
Clancy wrote: I should have expanded , with that, my aplogies :yh_flower
Defending yourself in here to what sometimes goes unseen, makes you a target for having the label troublemaker levelled at you.
And defending a friend, or friends, all of sudden makes you a gang member..
.....s' funny old world , innit
Two very good points!
I think there should be a system whereby you can block someone from pm-ing you.
I don't mean put them on ignore, I don't want to do that. But if someone starts sending abusive pm's yet pretend that butter wouldn't melt on the forum, then I want to block them from pming me. Ignoring them means you miss relevant forum stuff and it beomes frustrating. If you each block each other you can ignore all the behind-the-scenes rubbish!
As Clancy says, if you defend someone you are immediately considered a 'gang member' for them! You should be able to stand up for a stranger and just say "Hey, I think they're getting a raw deal" which is your opinion, without being called names and sworn at in pm's. No wonder people leave.
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cars wrote: It seems you're being a little contradictory. That's exactally what Val was trying to do in another thread when she asked if she could post abusive PM's sent to her! You didn't seem in favor of that, in that case???:-2
Was not that her purely trying to be "defensive", using your own words!In a sentence, you're entirely correct. I did write the long answer too but I'm not going to post it.
Was not that her purely trying to be "defensive", using your own words!In a sentence, you're entirely correct. I did write the long answer too but I'm not going to post it.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Why Are You Here?
flopstock wrote: Actually darlin', he then went off and created a thread to address his post. Have at it there..:DThis, I fear, is the first I've heard of it. I shall take to lurking, perhaps.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Why Are You Here?
Brothers, sisters, hear my testimony.
There was a time, long ago, when I logged on to IRC most days.
There was a trivia channel which focused (nominally at least) on movies. It had a seemingly inexhaustible supply of questions and pumped them out at a fair pace if you answered them quickly enough. I became mesmerized by the flow. It had maybe a dozen regular visitors.
After a few weeks I noticed that one guy kept snatching the points from me every time we went head-to-head. Between trivia questions we started to make social observations. He turned out to be bright, witty and female. I never did manage to convincingly beat her on the scoreboard but I did end up with a good friend.
A couple of months of this and she asked me, one day, to register on ForumGarden and back her up in a particular thread. I don’t think anything less would have got me here, forums were not on my list of things to experience before death. But then, neither had trivia movie channels been either. As it was her asking, I was here in minutes.
I’m glad she invited me. I didn’t behave at all well for quite a while, though I did back a number of points she’d been hammered into the ground for raising. I was a lot more extreme than she expected but she’s never complained about the positions I’ve argued, though she disagrees strongly with some of them.
So that’s why I’m here, and (if she can drag herself away from her family for long enough to log in and see my post) this is my thank-you for the invitation.
There was a time, long ago, when I logged on to IRC most days.
There was a trivia channel which focused (nominally at least) on movies. It had a seemingly inexhaustible supply of questions and pumped them out at a fair pace if you answered them quickly enough. I became mesmerized by the flow. It had maybe a dozen regular visitors.
After a few weeks I noticed that one guy kept snatching the points from me every time we went head-to-head. Between trivia questions we started to make social observations. He turned out to be bright, witty and female. I never did manage to convincingly beat her on the scoreboard but I did end up with a good friend.
A couple of months of this and she asked me, one day, to register on ForumGarden and back her up in a particular thread. I don’t think anything less would have got me here, forums were not on my list of things to experience before death. But then, neither had trivia movie channels been either. As it was her asking, I was here in minutes.
I’m glad she invited me. I didn’t behave at all well for quite a while, though I did back a number of points she’d been hammered into the ground for raising. I was a lot more extreme than she expected but she’s never complained about the positions I’ve argued, though she disagrees strongly with some of them.
So that’s why I’m here, and (if she can drag herself away from her family for long enough to log in and see my post) this is my thank-you for the invitation.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Why Are You Here?
Wolverine wrote: you're here because you just can't stand to be away from me and Nomad.
Duh.
Good point. You, Nomad, Clancy, ACC, Snooze, and quite a few others.
Duh.
Good point. You, Nomad, Clancy, ACC, Snooze, and quite a few others.
Why Are You Here?
spot wrote: Brothers, sisters, hear my testimony.
There was a time, long ago, when I logged on to IRC most days.
There was a trivia channel which focused (nominally at least) on movies. It had a seemingly inexhaustible supply of questions and pumped them out at a fair pace if you answered them quickly enough. I became mesmerized by the flow. It had maybe a dozen regular visitors.
After a few weeks I noticed that one guy kept snatching the points from me every time we went head-to-head. Between trivia questions we started to make social observations. He turned out to be bright, witty and female. I never did manage to convincingly beat her on the scoreboard but I did end up with a good friend.
A couple of months of this and she asked me, one day, to register on ForumGarden and back her up in a particular thread. I don’t think anything less would have got me here, forums were not on my list of things to experience before death. But then, neither had trivia movie channels been either. As it was her asking, I was here in minutes.
I’m glad she invited me. I didn’t behave at all well for quite a while, though I did back a number of points she’d been hammered into the ground for raising. I was a lot more extreme than she expected but she’s never complained about the positions I’ve argued, though she disagrees strongly with some of them.
So that’s why I’m here, and (if she can drag herself away from her family for long enough to log in and see my post) this is my thank-you for the invitation.
I'm curious. Who is she?
There was a time, long ago, when I logged on to IRC most days.
There was a trivia channel which focused (nominally at least) on movies. It had a seemingly inexhaustible supply of questions and pumped them out at a fair pace if you answered them quickly enough. I became mesmerized by the flow. It had maybe a dozen regular visitors.
After a few weeks I noticed that one guy kept snatching the points from me every time we went head-to-head. Between trivia questions we started to make social observations. He turned out to be bright, witty and female. I never did manage to convincingly beat her on the scoreboard but I did end up with a good friend.
A couple of months of this and she asked me, one day, to register on ForumGarden and back her up in a particular thread. I don’t think anything less would have got me here, forums were not on my list of things to experience before death. But then, neither had trivia movie channels been either. As it was her asking, I was here in minutes.
I’m glad she invited me. I didn’t behave at all well for quite a while, though I did back a number of points she’d been hammered into the ground for raising. I was a lot more extreme than she expected but she’s never complained about the positions I’ve argued, though she disagrees strongly with some of them.
So that’s why I’m here, and (if she can drag herself away from her family for long enough to log in and see my post) this is my thank-you for the invitation.
I'm curious. Who is she?
Why Are You Here?
Peg wrote: I'm curious. Who is she?http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/member.php?u=1674
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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spot wrote: In a sentence, you're entirely correct. I did write the long answer too but I'm not going to post it.
that's a shame. a 'louder' acknowledgement would probably be appreciated by some - perhaps the person you accused of having a desire to 'win' as their foremost motive for example.
but i digress. since being not-nice is no longer allowed here, i'll shut up, to everyone's greater pleasure.
that's a shame. a 'louder' acknowledgement would probably be appreciated by some - perhaps the person you accused of having a desire to 'win' as their foremost motive for example.
but i digress. since being not-nice is no longer allowed here, i'll shut up, to everyone's greater pleasure.
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Last year I was looking for new online communities and Google led me to the Garden. I gave my intro and was very warmly welcomed. I liked that the members seemed mostly to be adults, having suffered through forums full of younger people and their drama. I appreciated the mature conversation and the widely varied topics. I replied earnestly to a thread about bipolarism, trying to help someone and they soon invited me to their mental health forum. I don't see that person here anymore.
I left after a while because I had illness in my family and kind of lost interest in pretty much everything I once cared about. One day I got an email notice that somebody had replied to a thread I posted in, reminding me about Forum Garden and so I came back to stay.
I like it here very much. There are a lot of people here I like and even those I don't always agree with, I can still respect them and I still enjoy what they have to say. I don't think that's something you come across very often. For the most part, even when disagreeing, people here are respectful of each other and helpful. :-6
This is a good thread, Koan.
I left after a while because I had illness in my family and kind of lost interest in pretty much everything I once cared about. One day I got an email notice that somebody had replied to a thread I posted in, reminding me about Forum Garden and so I came back to stay.
I like it here very much. There are a lot of people here I like and even those I don't always agree with, I can still respect them and I still enjoy what they have to say. I don't think that's something you come across very often. For the most part, even when disagreeing, people here are respectful of each other and helpful. :-6
This is a good thread, Koan.
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spot wrote: http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/member.php?u=1674
oh you scared me...now I have to gather my WRITs an recall.sorry.my dicussions on ...Abortion decisions made by men?should make that clear.nit:) :-6
oh you scared me...now I have to gather my WRITs an recall.sorry.my dicussions on ...Abortion decisions made by men?should make that clear.nit:) :-6
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