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caesar777;496382 wrote: I do, but I think common sense shows where to draw the line.
There's the rub. Everyone thinks their brand of common sense is the brand of common sense. For example:



I work in the pharmaceutical industry (however you spell it). The folks that fill the tiny bottles always wear latex gloves whenever they work with chemicals. It's only common sense to protect one's hands from constant repeated exposure, right? Welllll...........



Our procedures guy (we call him QA) got upset when he saw a worker loading bottles into the filling machine without wearing gloves (the chemicals were still in the cupboard). He berated the worker because touching the interior of the bottles leaves oils and such that could contaminate the chemicals upon filling. It's only common sense that the purpose of the latex gloves are to protect the chemicals from human contamination.



See what I mean?



Interrogation to find out life-saving information is necessary.

"Strong" interrogation can get the information more quickly.

At what point does strong interrogation become torture? That's the grey area where common sense is not common.

Diuretic;496474 wrote: What an excellent example Acc. I shall file that and present it with a flourish in a class in the future (it's not called plagiarism you understand - merely "borrowing" ).Feel free!



Diuretic wrote: On torture.



I think the measure of "rightness" is a mix of motivation and consequence.



If someone does it because they enjoy it then it's wrong per se regardless of the consequences.



If someone does it because they have to (I know I'm assuming something here but bear with me) in order to achieve a good end, then it's right to use it.



That's all I can think of at the moment.
So job satisfaction is grounds for dismissal? :-2

Yo, Smiley. You're fired! :wah:

I think we should torture everybody, thumb screws, testicle electrodes, it's all good. The more pain everybody endures, the tougher we'll all be in the long run. able to stand up strong in the face of adversity and all that. But then I'm American, we're culturally instilled to love torture.

(Please note, the above was sarcasm.)

We can't have a discussion about torture because it's politically loaded. Personally I think that nearly everyone in the world would agree, absent political overtones that in a hypothetical case where torture would definitely prevent a greater evil, we would all favor torture. Not all of us would be able to personally do that to another human being, but that would not be determined by whether the person was from the US or not, and personally I imagine most of my countrymen are way too soft-hearted, and kind to perform this sort of thing themselves. And no, sleep deprivation is not torture.

Torture isnt the answer. Where might it lead to and where might it end. Its a horrible thing.