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Ahso!;1509760 wrote: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=india+threate ... cal&ia=web

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1883306/p ... nk-of-war/

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/0 ... y-m10.html


So those are examples of "If you use them on us, we will respond in kind."

A bit different than the pipsqueak in Korea threatening to use his if we look at him funny.

LarsMac;1509763 wrote: A bit different than the pipsqueak in Korea threatening to use his if we look at him funny.


The test is to turn it in the mirror. What has been said by the North Korean leadership has always been "If X then we will destroy you instantly", or words like that. The test is, has X always been something that can reasonably be interpreted as an act of war.

Here's the mirror:

A North Korean nuclear-armed submarine enters the territorial waters of mainland USA. Would that provoke an armed American response? I believe it would.

A trade embargo blocks both imports and exports on the US from its main markets unless the US changes its foreign and domestic policies. Would that provoke an armed American response? I believe it would.

By all means quote a belligerent North Korean statement and we'll see whether it fits the pattern I'm suggesting.

https://xkcd.com/1833/

If you hear something, it's my teeth. Grinding a bit.

LarsMac;1509751 wrote: We need for China, or Russia, to step up and set this little guy straight.

Besides, he is mostly just talking trash. If he does actually have material to make bombs, he doesn't have enough to take out more than one City, and he has to realize that if he dares to push the button it will be a matter of minutes before he and his little country cease to exist. More important, there has to be some people within his circle of influence that have figured this out, as well.


Dont rely on China. Theyre too busy colonising and making trade routes. Plus they are as racist as hell.....they dont like little white people telling little yellow people what to do, and history shows it.

Russia? China hates Russia for the same reasoning stated above. If they put their noses in, China will threaten to slice it off.China is North Koreas ally. Nothing can be fone about it.

spot;1509749 wrote: Every country on earth which possesses nuclear weapons has reserved the self-declared right of first use with no warning against anyone it chooses to go to war with. Do you think this paragraph is false in any respect?

North Korea has invariably expressed conditions which would bring it to make a nuclear first strike, it has never said it will attack any country without making that threat conditional on some future event. The conditional event it most often some foreign action which North Korea would consider to be an act of war. Do you think this paragraph is false in any respect?

When has North Korea aimed anything more powerful than a field gun at any country other than the immediate vicinity of the Demilitarized Zone in South Korea, and then only when it claimed to be responding to fire from South Korea? Is that any different to what Israel does across the Lebanese border, or India or Pakistan in Kashmir? Your "aimed at surrounding countries" in a North Korean nuclear context needs explaining - what do you mean? Which country has North Korea aimed at, with what? Did it aim and not fire? Did it fire and intentionally miss?

You mistrust the North Korean leadership, yes, I get that bit. I don't see that as a reason why North Korea should cease to exist, or that some more powerful country should "take care of the issue".


Maybe you'd like a word with the Japanese president. They are taking the threats and missiles falling into their sea pretty seriously....... to the point where they want to arm themselves again with a responsive military. (Which on a side note makes Trump look like an idiot telling countries to take more responsibilty for their own defense. Japan wants to do just that)

When you delve into the reasons why countries want to arm themselves in the pacific they all point to China and North Korea. If something isnt done soon then those countries have two choices...... arm themselves in a time of muslim pushing (thats certainly not a good thing) or side with China...... also not a very tasteful option.

You may be nice and cozy up there in the north but we down this way would not like to see another pacific theatre or war. Im sure older Americans would know what im talking about.

magentaflame;1509792 wrote: Maybe you'd like a word with the Japanese president. They are taking the threats and missiles falling into their sea pretty seriously.......


Their sea?

I had thought every North Korean missile sent toward Japan had splashed down in international waters, not in Japanese territorial waters. I'm pretty sure that's right, too.

As for south east Asian countries siding with China I'm all in favour of that. China is not expansionist, China has never been expansionist, China's history is one which excludes expansionist policies. Tibet is a contentious issue because it was autonomous for a while but it was also part of China for a while too, that's something which could be discussed but I can't see it meaning that China has the slightest intention of imposing political control over any of its neighbours. Unlike the Americans who have a track record longer than your arm since before either of us was born. I'd side with China any day in preference if I were, say Vietnam. Or a unified Korea. Or Cambodia. Or Laos. Or Indonesia or the Philippines. Add to the list as you need.

China is now a major actor in parts of Africa right now.

HERE and HERE

A sort of expansionism...................financial colonialism ?

Bruv;1509796 wrote: China is now a major actor in parts of Africa right now.

HERE and HERE

A sort of expansionism...................financial colonialism ?


The context is "When you delve into the reasons why countries want to arm themselves in the pacific they all point to China and North Korea". This is arming for prevention of military expansion that's being discussed, not responding to trade spheres. A preferential trading zone based around Chinese finance is neither military aggression nor a demand for political alignment. Not even the EU has achieved political alignment and that's the tightest financially bound international entity ever invented.

They are building roads, bridges, dams and railways with their own money machines and majority manpower, flooding shops with their imports.

It may not be military or political, but it frightens the life out of me........................money is power.....remember comrade ?

spot;1509794 wrote: Their sea?

I had thought every North Korean missile sent toward Japan had splashed down in international waters, not in Japanese territorial waters. I'm pretty sure that's right, too.

As for south east Asian countries siding with China I'm all in favour of that. China is not expansionist, China has never been expansionist, China's history is one which excludes expansionist policies. Tibet is a contentious issue because it was autonomous for a while but it was also part of China for a while too, that's something which could be discussed but I can't see it meaning that China has the slightest intention of imposing political control over any of its neighbours. Unlike the Americans who have a track record longer than your arm since before either of us was born. I'd side with China any day in preference if I were, say Vietnam. Or a unified Korea. Or Cambodia. Or Laos. Or Indonesia or the Philippines. Add to the list as you need.


May I ask if you've ever travelled in south pacific waters or Asia?

Those missiles traveled to their maximum range of 620 miles with some falling in the waters belonging to Japan's exclusive economic zone.


North Korea launches missile into Sea of Japan - ABC News

China's not expansionist?

But because you only take tit bits from what I write I'm not going to discuss the intricacies with you.

magentaflame;1509866 wrote: May I ask if you've ever travelled in south pacific waters or Asia?



North Korea launches missile into Sea of Japan - ABC News

China's not expansionist?

But because you only take tit bits from what I write I'm not going to discuss the intricacies with you.


Go on then, tell me why you think you can describe China as expansionist. I've failed to understand how you can use the word in this context. Napoleonic France was expansionist, it invaded its neighbours in order to replace their government with French Generals. What do the Chinese do that's expansionist in any sense?

Japan's exclusive economic zone describes international waters over which Japan has mineral and fishing rights. Japanese territorial waters is a far smaller and more restricted area which Japan actually owns.

Police question two men after 6kg of Semtex discovered in Dublin

GardaÃ* granted extra time to question 21-year-old and 28-year-old after plastic explosive and detonators found in taxi

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... -in-dublin



My goodness they're in trouble.

Police question two men after 6kg of Semtex discovered in Dublin

Gardai granted extra time to question 21-year-old and 28-year-old after plastic explosive and detonators found in taxi

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... -in-dublin



My goodness they're in trouble.

Monalisa Perez, 19, was booked into county jail after shooting at Pedro Ruiz as he held a book to his chest, believing it would stop the bullet.

The couple's three-year-old child and nearly 30 onlookers watched as she fired the fatal bullet into his chest.

Ruiz's aunt said they did it to increase their social media following.

[...] Ms Perez, who is pregnant, is facing charges of second degree manslaughter. She faces her first court appearance on Wednesday.

County Attorney James Brue described the book as a hardcover encyclopaedia, and said the weapon used was a .50-calibre Desert Eagle handgun.

[...] The single gunshot was fired from about one foot (30cm) away as neighbours gathered to watch outside their Minnesota home.

US woman shoots boyfriend in YouTube stunt - BBC News





I'm only surprised they didn't have a local TV news crew live-broadcasting the event.

I see the 1989 hillsborough people are finally being charged....... Justice not so swift.

Bettison is accused of four counts of misconduct in public office.

Former South Yorkshire Police officers Donald Denton and Alan Foster, as well as force solicitor Peter Metcalf, are charged with doing acts with intent to pervert the course of justice, and former Sheffield Wednesday secretary Graham Mackrell is charged with three offences relating to health and safety and safety at sports grounds.


Police chiefs charged over roll in 1989 Hillsborough Stadium stampede

I want to know when the Tory Electoral Faudsters are to get prosecute. The CPS have stated that there is a case to answer & that there is sufficient evidence to gain a conviction.

This has been going on for years. It has now come to light that nothing has changed, and that Electoral Fraud is still rife within the Tory party, even with this most recent one.

Despite the stated intention from the CPS to prosecute, the Tories still continued to put forward candidates who were under investigation - almost as if they knew full well that there wouldn't be any prosecution because everything would conveniently be sept under the carpet - and it looks like they were right.

All it would take, at the moment is to have a couple of by-elections, and a new General Election would be inevitable.

A McLaren supercar was reduced to a twisted, burned-out wreck after it struck a building and burst into flames.

The driver and passenger of the 570S, which sell for around £143,000, escaped with minor injuries following the crash at Heywood, near Trowbridge, Wiltshire.

McLaren supercar destroyed in crash - BBC News







And that's newsworthy how? What aspect of this report is even slightly interesting to anyone? There's the repellent aspect that some git thinks a "McLaren supercar" is a desirable lifestyle accessory instead of a grotesque error of judgement but other than that, this isn't news at all. Not national, not regional, certainly not BBC news website.

If every "McLaren supercar" was recalled tomorrow as a hazard, like the Samsung Note was, that would be news. One being crashed by some incompetent tosser with more money than sense isn't. One can only hope his next few insurance bills will be even larger than the last.

Of course, exceptions apply. If the driver turns out to be Chris Evans then it would be reportable on the comedy page.

Come the revolution comrade we will ban such fripperies.

I have a Samsung Note....................marvelous bit of kit.

I may have mis-specified to an extent. Perhaps a 7 or a 9 has been omitted, maybe a Plus, who can tell.

My phone is extremely Chinese and quite possibly sends a report back to an office block in Beijing weekly. It was, on the other hand, remarkably cheap.

My previous phone was extremely Chinese and cheap, it was the cheap that swung the deal.

It tried to do everything the Note can do, and succeeded most of the time.

Then the wife upgraded and I got her hand me down Note 4................now I know what the old one aspired to be.

Its just getting stupid now.

Melbourne and Sydney residents now have the highest household debt in the world.

And now energy bills are about to rise up to 50% as of August

What the hell is going on????????

Apparently june job ads are up 2.7 % after a four year slump.......... but its common knowledge that it is law to advertise an open job position even though you have the job is already filled inhouse.

Plus people are. "Retrenched" or. "Sacked" then told to reapply for their job........but again those positions have to be advertised publicly

There are no jobs!!!!! ......yet government will take crdit for cutting tax to companies so they can provide more jobs........... god they think we're so stupid.

50% ? That's ridiculous. I thought it was bad here with EDF going up by 9% - and then a further 9%. Eon going up 15%. British Gas up 13% (and my own Utilita 2.98%).

The biggest rip off across the board is not the energy tariff itself, but the Standing Charges - where a property can be totally empty, but still typically clocking up £5 - £8 / week (Utilita has no Standing Charge).

FourPart;1510709 wrote: 50% ? That's ridiculous. I thought it was bad here with EDF going up by 9% - and then a further 9%. Eon going up 15%. British Gas up 13% (and my own Utilita 2.98%).

The biggest rip off across the board is not the energy tariff itself, but the Standing Charges - where a property can be totally empty, but still typically clocking up £5 - £8 / week (Utilita has no Standing Charge).


Do you get commission ?

Bruv;1510712 wrote: Do you get commission ?


Only if I refer you on the Refer a Friend promotion (open to anyone).

FourPart;1510709 wrote: 50% ? That's ridiculous. I thought it was bad here with EDF going up by 9% - and then a further 9%. Eon going up 15%. British Gas up 13% (and my own Utilita 2.98%).

The biggest rip off across the board is not the energy tariff itself, but the Standing Charges - where a property can be totally empty, but still typically clocking up £5 - £8 / week (Utilita has no Standing Charge).


Either last year or year before there was a 30% price hike.

So exciting!!!! A replica of shakespeares globe theatre is to be built in melbourne,........ woohoo!!!!

I'm not one to be attracted by gadgets. Really. But there are exceptions...

Men's Cool Quartz Wrist Watch Cigarette Electronic Lighter USB Rechargeable

Oh my.

You will have to take up smoking though.

The wrist-burns, the bleeding heat welts, it's a masochist's dream.

That's one of the things you buy just to say ....." I got one!"

Someone will try to take one through airport security checks. That should be interesting.

FourPart;1510709 wrote: 50% ? That's ridiculous. I thought it was bad here with EDF going up by 9% - and then a further 9%. Eon going up 15%. British Gas up 13% (and my own Utilita 2.98%).

The biggest rip off across the board is not the energy tariff itself, but the Standing Charges - where a property can be totally empty, but still typically clocking up £5 - £8 / week (Utilita has no Standing Charge).


Have a look at the historical table

https://www.aemo.com.au/Electricity/Nat ... rice-table

Wandrin;1510793 wrote: Someone will try to take one through airport security checks. That should be interesting.


There's a rather deadly pen you can get through..... but this device has an ignition

1Trillion tonne iceberg is about to float away from the antartic. Nobody knows whether its due to climate change or a natural break off. It will take half a century to discover its cause.

I doubt it will have moved as much as ten miles by this time next year. And the nearest shipping lane must be several thousand miles north.

The calving of icebergs that size has happened continuously around the Antarctic coast ever since the continent became ice-covered tens of millions of years ago. None of this one or its predecessors was anchored, it's ice which has descended to the shoreline and floated out into bays while still attached to the glacier behind it. Eventually these floating edges tear away. What's left behind will tear away too in due course.

I'm sure there's a question relating to global warming but it's not whether the iceberg would have been created or how big it is. It might be whether the iceberg broke away a year earlier than it would have in a pre-industrial setting but I have no idea how anyone could test that. In fifty years you could ask whether the rate or size of iceberg calving has increased either locally or for the whole of Antarctica but I don't know how you'd test that either. What can definitely be estimated over that timescale is whether the ice mass sitting on Antarctica has increased or decreased. There was some talk a few years back that it has been increasing. If the air over Antarctica becomes wetter as global temperatures increase, perhaps it will result in more snow which will become locked in place as ice. The floating edges of the continent may fall away more quickly but the overall weight of ice on the continent could increase at the same time. Or maybe it won't, in which case sea levels worldwide will increase faster. Any money you put on how the volume of ice on Antarctica will vary over the next fifty years is a gamble, I don't think the modellers are good enough to know yet.

A thousand year prediction? The volume of ice on Antarctica will reduce. There will be a lot more icebergs though I expect they'll be on average a lot smaller than they used to be. Sea levels will rise. All of that will be a consequence of man-made global warming. But you only get huge trillion ton icebergs if you start with a stable ice shelf, and stable slow-moving Antarctic ice shelves will simply not exist any longer.

Yeah, its broken off the. "Ice shelf" , thats where it always breaks away. But the last time it happened we didnt know whart to measure or how to. This is the first break that has happened since the proper technology to measure it was invented.

The only worry is the fact that its so large. Therefore the ice that drifts down from the centre of antartica is not hitting an ice floor but going straight into the sea a lot sooner than it should . Its worrying because it means that shelf wont recover.

Never thought I'd wish for a small asteroid strike, just the size of a building or so, and in the middle of the Atlantic ocean...That'd fix global warming for a few centuries.

Was telling someone yesterday how i fix my own car. And it was agreed that just one job (replacing the oil filter, air filter and pv valve) i would have saved myself around $300 to $400 in mechanic costs. Granted, i deliberately buy older cars so i can get to the motor in the first place.

Does anyone else do their own service on their cars?

Meanwhile....in Asia . The Indonesian president has adopted the philipines policy of murdering druggies. In phillipines vigilanty groups and police are allowed to shoot suspected drug dealers. Now the Indonesian president has given permission to his police force to shoot to kill drug suspects but only if they resist arrest .......but......especially if they are foreigners. We've seen two recent incidences that proved two foreigners having drugs planted on them by police.

And my boys wonder why i dont want them travelling to Asia.

And then in Australia..... no more smoking in outdoor cafes .......and get this!......no smoking in beer gardens as of tomorrow.... well thats my pubdays gone.

Quote of the day from our prime minister...ten minutes ago on ABC am radio.

" Nowhere is far from anywhere else".

Dear god!

And, "the reviewing will go on until the review is not needed"...... its funny when a dead pan serious talking political radio announcer loses it laughing listening to what a minister has to say.

magentaflame;1511309 wrote: Quote of the day from our prime minister...ten minutes ago on ABC am radio.

" Nowhere is far from anywhere else".

Dear god!

And, "the reviewing will go on until the review is not needed"...... its funny when a dead pan serious talking political radio announcer loses it laughing listening to what a minister has to say.


Teehee

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nowhere,_Oklahoma

Would any of the inhabitants care to comment on the Aussie President's summary of their town and its relevance to current terrorist operations?

To be fair, "Nowhere is far from anywhere else," now looks like a coded reference to the fact that the intel came from - in this case - the UK. If that's the case the reviewing comment translates as saying they are very active in this area and constantly looking at the situation: Turnbull being intentionally vague and bland when talking about intelligence sources.

...or he talks like that all the time and I'm reading waaaaay too much in to it!

I guess it doesnt make good television to say "i dont know" all the time.

Mortgage debt has doubled.

Childcare. Fees have risen 75%

Entire states will have interrupted electricity in the next year. We've not enough energy resources here but exports are great for everyone else

Theyve given "sort of" permission to a corrupt indian company to build the largest coal mine in the history of Australia on prime farming land.....did anybody get the memo that we dont have that much land to grow food? And the coal isnt even for our use! And theyll ship it right along the Barrier reef.

With all that in mind its no wonder he speaks gobbledigook.

Oh, and his own party is bitch fighting over same sex marriage STILL!



Wages have been stagnant for 15 years

magentaflame;1511389 wrote: I guess it doesnt make good television to say "i dont know" all the time.

Mortgage debt has doubled.

Childcare. Fees have risen 75%

Entire states will have interrupted electricity in the next year. We've not enough energy resources here but exports are great for everyone else

Theyve given "sort of" permission to a corrupt indian company to build the largest coal mine in the history of Australia on prime farming land.....did anybody get the memo that we dont have that much land to grow food? And the coal isnt even for our use! And theyll ship it right along the Barrier reef.

With all that in mind its no wonder he speaks gobbledigook.

Oh, and his own party is bitch fighting over same sex marriage STILL!



Wages have been stagnant for 15 years


Ok, all those sound familiar or have equivalents up here - except the interrupted electricity supply. How the heck?

We've also got a housing bubble..... and the chinese are making our cities look ugly with disgusting apartment buildings that they cant give swsy nevause the actual apartments are tiny.

Electricity? ....ha ha ha ha....nobody seems to know.

Now there's grumblings about the. "Terrorists" being held without charge. One has been released after being held for four days.....its unsettling.

Does anyone else get the feeling that the "leaking issue" in the US government at the moment is a push to see less transparency of government?

I would very much like to see the trans ript of the phone call between Trump and Turnbull, seeing that the info in that conversationeans his whole policy of the refugee situation is a lie.

magentaflame;1511519 wrote: Does anyone else get the feeling that the "leaking issue" in the US government at the moment is a push to see less transparency of government?


Yes, that was actually my comment to the news report I was watching:

Jeff Sessions: "We need to crack down on these leakers."

Me: "Well, if you'd quit lying and start being transparent, you wouldn't even have a problem."

And now grand juries?....... someone really needs to put that shovel down . It not that the holes' getting deeper ,they just might hit a gas line. And the smoking gun in the area may ignite it

I hope our US members can forgive me, but given the state of our place I'm very much looking it as Hollywood: Smoking Gun 2, starring Trump as The Don and a Mystery Star as Deeper Throat....