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As long as were on the subject of Brokeback mountain, has anyone seen that movie, "Transamerica?" I heard it's up for a couple of Oscars as well.

Hi Jives, Snooze. I read a writeup on Transamerica this morning. It got four stars. Like Kinky Boots. Which is also about a transsexual. Haven't seen Brokeback Mountain yet either but did read the book. Tonight is the big Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras parade in Sydney and I understand there's more than usual cowboys in leather marching and partying. Is it still okay to be just a bit straight?

SnoozeControl wrote: :rolleyes: Is that the best you can do?


Do I hear the slap of slightly soiled leather as a gauntlet is laid down ?:sneaky:

Aussiepam, I think the answer to your question is no. The Gays are taking over. We heteros should maybe batten down the hatches or something. Or is that, like, a gay innuendo or something?

Yavanna wrote: Blimey, this thread has expanded since I last dropped in! :-3



I went to see Brokeback Mountain recently and loved it.



It's a film about love. Not about sex or which bit of the body goes where - about love. People ranting about anal sex are missing the point. That's like a Christian who harps on about the crucifixion and misses the Resurrection, as far as I'm concerned.



I happen to think there's far too little love in the world to criticise a film which shows it in all it's complexity and joy. You see, I repeat what I've already said - morality is about intention, not about the body. #



Do go and see it, folks - it's a beautiful film.
First, I can't believe I didn't notice the apalling comparison you made between Christian Salvation and homosexual intercourse the first time I read this. Shameful.



But the reason I dredged this up: I watched the Oscars last night. they had several clips from the movie. Every one, every one was about being homosexual. Not one mention of them being in love. Oh yeh, no mention about the inconsequential adultery detail either. The director's acceptance speech was about society forcing them apart or some such tripe. Makes one wonder if hollywood has an agenda. :rolleyes:

AussiePam wrote: Is it still okay to be just a bit straight?


No. You are not cool if you are straight. You are also not cool if you are white, male, or Christian.

Don't you watch any movies?

To be cool you must be one of the following:

Black

Violent

Gay

Profane

A Smoker

A Drinker

An Athesist

A Criminal

or a Drug User

So if you are a drunken gay Black atheist who is smoking a cigarette and robbing a store to feed your meth habit....

You are about as cool as you can get.

*drip*













*drip*















*drip*













:rolleyes:

Accountable wrote:

But the reason I dredged this up: I watched the Oscars last night. they had several clips from the movie. Every one, every one was about being homosexual. Not one mention of them being in love.


You actually had to watch the film to see that ; the love affair was part of their character development that you can't get in a soundbite or a two second clip.

Accountable, have you ever read Anna Karenina ? Just wondered if your comments about adultery extend beyond a film about two gay guys. Also, I would point out that Brokeback Mountain in no way glorifies or excuses adultery - the situation is portrayed as painful for all concerned.

Also, as to my analogy, which you refer to ; do you have a response to it other than "shameful" ? I think my point was clear, but if not, let me repeat it - Christ always struck me as so spiritually evolved that I cannot envisage him judging a person's sexual orientation (which is inborn in any event and therefore part of the wonderful creation Christians believe in) over and above their heart and soul. But there ya go - I'm not a Christian and may be missing some profound point about the fine balance between Love and Judgment as they appear in the Bible.

Yavanna wrote: I cannot envisage him judging a person's sexual orientation .


perhaps not. But what about their sinful behavior, i.e. adultery. I believe that's mentioned in the Ten Commandments, isn't it?

Yavanna wrote: Accountable, have you ever read Anna Karenina ? Just wondered if your comments about adultery extend beyond a film about two gay guys. Also, I would point out that Brokeback Mountain in no way glorifies or excuses adultery - the situation is portrayed as painful for all concerned.

I have not read Anna Karenina. I googled it and found the cliff notes (I swear sometimes I think I could find the combination to my high school gym locker online). It’s a very long novel, isn’t it? I noticed that in part one she had an adulterous affair.



Let’s get something clear, because it seems that you have blinders about this when you read my posts. I could not care less about whether these guys are homosexual. In marriage, in business, in friendship, or any type situation he finds himself in, an adult is accountable for his actions. He is responsible for his commitments. Any time an adult forsakes his commitments – whether for sex or love or a free case imported lager – it’s a bad thing.



You don’t describe the movie as a story of the consequences of betraying one’s marriage vows; you describe it as a love story. When I express my disgust at such a thing, then you come out with the seemingly minor detail that they didn’t all live happily ever after. But in your mind, the movie is still about love, isn’t it?



Yavanna wrote: Also, as to my analogy, which you refer to ; do you have a response to it other than "shameful" ? I think my point was clear, but if not, let me repeat it - Christ always struck me as so spiritually evolved that I cannot envisage him judging a person's sexual orientation (which is inborn in any event and therefore part of the wonderful creation Christians believe in) over and above their heart and soul. But there ya go - I'm not a Christian and may be missing some profound point about the fine balance between Love and Judgment as they appear in the Bible.You compared adultery to the resurrection of Christ. That is shameful. You can try to spin it again, but I would prefer you stop digging.

well its crash ok didnt win lol made up.....crash done it best picture....award

finally,,,,,daffy52 lol it was a bum film anyways broke nothin

Jives wrote: No. You are not cool if you are straight. You are also not cool if you are white, male, or Christian.

Don't you watch any movies?

To be cool you must be one of the following:

Black

Violent

Gay

Profane

A Smoker

A Drinker

An Athesist

A Criminal

or a Drug User

So if you are a drunken gay Black atheist who is smoking a cigarette and robbing a store to feed your meth habit....

You are about as cool as you can get.


Oh dear.... By that standard I'm only a teensy weensy little bit cool - but I guess it's a start!! Maybe I just haven't met the right other woman yet..... grin

Jives wrote: No. You are not cool if you are straight. You are also not cool if you are white, male, or Christian.



Don't you watch any movies?



To be cool you must be one of the following:



Black

Violent

Gay

Profane

A Smoker

A Drinker

An Athesist

A Criminal

or a Drug User



So if you are a drunken gay Black atheist who is smoking a cigarette and robbing a store to feed your meth habit....



You are about as cool as you can get.


Oh dear...that's a bit cynical Jives....i'd hope that the world is a better place than you think it is...if it isn't, we should all strive to make it so.

Accountable wrote:

Let’s get something clear, because it seems that you have blinders about this when you read my posts. I could not care less about whether these guys are homosexual. .


Ah, well that does clear something up (although I didn't get that from your previous posts). Honouring one's committments is a laudable and a spiritual thing - and a tough thing, for many of us. Failing to do it consistently is part of being human, I think, and a cause for compassion and understanding. Hence the need for a Saviour, right? I guess I don't see a film which portrays people failing to live up to a moral standard as in any way immoral or amoral - or that it glorifies adultery. I see it as a human truth that calls for neither my censure or my involvement, but that does call for my compassion.

As to me thinking the film is "all about love in my mind" - yes, absolutely. Perhaps I'd qualify that by saying it's all about Love in my mind ; not some romantic or lustful rumpy-pumpy - but about people interacting with each other at the deepest level, and in a complicated way (like real life! or at least, like my life.....ahem......).

And, btw, I didn't mean to offend you, Accountable, or anyone with my analogy - it's a genuine question in my mind and a primary reason for my not being a Christian. I'm sorry if it came across as flippant or deliberately provocative ; I have the turrible tongue of an Irish fishwife sometimes. I've always had a deep-seated issue with the Bible's emphasis on sinfulness of the body. Call me a pagan. Nevertheless, your explanation of Christian justice made more sense to me than many I've heard over the years, Far Rider.

Oh well, I'm bored with hearing myself talk now. If anyone wants to take a pop at Wicca, please go ahead.

Hmmm :yh_think



com·pas·sion Pronunciation Key (km-pshn)

n.

Deep awareness of the suffering of another coupled with the wish to relieve it. See Synonyms at pity.


If a friend were to commit adultery, he would have my friendship, my ire, my advice in great quantity, but not my compassion.

Saw today, that Brokeback Mountain will be out on video Tues. April 4th. For all those who have just been waiting for it to come out on video. :wah:

Movies are coming out faster and faster to video stores........... they must be making a lot more money through them than through the theathers.........

When my daughter (21) was back in Australia recently she said she wanted to see this movie and asked me to go with her. I don't know if you can say you 'enjoyed' a film with an unhappy ending, but we both found it interesting, finely crafted and thought provoking. Neither she nor I could view it as pushing any agendas or promoting anything at all. It tells a story, where people suffer, and pay a terrible price, for choices they make. It's descriptive, not prescriptive.

I really can not thank u all enough. for telling me about. this bum boy film,



because if it ever, comes on the tv , i can turn it over,{ thank u all. it knock me sick/



thank u daffy,,,And goodnite to all the [removed by webmaster] who like it.

daffodil52 wrote: I really can not thank u all enough. for telling me about. this bum boy film,



because if it ever, comes on the tv , i can turn it over,{ thank u all. it knock me sick/






Eloquently said, as always :rolleyes:

Santanico wrote: Eloquently said, as always :rolleyes: thanku

well i about to have my breakfast, sugar puffs,,,,,followed, by a read off me book puff the magic dragon, to me granddaughter, gnite,

Hmmm.......sometimes sarcasm doesn't translate well..........



Perhaps what I should have said is:



If you want to call people names for liking a particular movie, maybe you should be somewhere else.....primary school perhaps?



:rolleyes:

daffodil52 wrote: [removed by webmaster]it call freedom of speech ok and like. i said thank u all for make ing me aware of the bum boy film ,,,,.....so i can avoid....it all together.and watch some thing better,ok ps if it bother u that much, i'll sented u some fairy soap , so u can wash er hands.
Hmmm...My husband got banned from this site for using very similar terms.... :yh_think

BabyRider wrote: Hmmm...My husband got banned from this site for using very similar terms.... :yh_think
sorry if it pleases u,,,,,,, I will no long er . use slang . against ,gay and will avoid. this tread,

will wash my mouth out,,,,, with mouth wash,,, and my hand with a good quailty

soap,,,, so accepted , , my apology ,,,, for freedom off speech,,,, but its my way

guess its wrong. but i can't help it, its the way i was brought up. by my kin folk.

boy meets girl ,, ? off to see my grandaughter....... GDAY

daffodil52 wrote: sorry if it pleases u,,,,,,, I will no long er . use slang . against ,gay and will avoid. this tread,



will wash my mouth out,,,,, with mouth wash,,, and my hand with a good quailty

soap,,,, so accepted , , my apology ,,,, for freedom off speech,,,, but its my way



guess its wrong. but i can't help it, its the way i was brought up. by my kin folk.



boy meets girl ,, ? off to see my grandaughter....... GDAY


It's OK to have your say Daffy....we all have opinions and discuss them, it's just a good idea to choose your words....we don't want you banned...we'd miss you.

:wah: Then she shouldn't have asked.



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Yeh. I've trimmed my input considerably. Nowhere else to go, though. For me, FG is like the USA - it's the best around, despite the imperfections. It's sad when people get bent out of shape from others' trying to fix the imperfections.



D'you reckon the blowups here are related to why the world can't sit still for more than a few years without a major war?

It is a bit hard to find a thread these days on which one can post um safely... grin... still as you say, Accountable, that's real life... Take care, Guys!! I'm off for a few days business in the country - far from my computers.

Clancy wrote: I don't think there is a forum anywhere, that will not have disagreemnts, Pam.

I think they'll arise more readily depending on the topic. This one we're on now caused nothing but grief....some of the religious threads because of the divides in faiths always come a cropper at some stage.

Have a great trip, be safe, and enjoy it


Thanks, Clancy!!

Clancy wrote: I know the feeling. That's why I've always stayed in Scotland. :p









Good question. It would be sadder than sad if that was the reason. It might be that peoples initial good impressions were changed by others forcing their issues and standards, but I think that might only be scratching the surface.



For the most part I think a lot try and be diplomatic, and at least make the effort to get along, but it can be tiresome sometimes. I don't think many would choose to be walked over, be browbeaten, and say nothing just to keep the peace.



*sorry for late replies, I'm watching tv , and looking in at the same time*:)
I'm in & out myself tonight. This'll be the last one for me.



I agree you're probably scratching the surface. At times like these I'm reminded of those triplets: Kay, Sarah, & Sarah.



I feel like we're sitting around the embers of a once major fire. Have a marshmallow?

I have a MAJOR problem with this movie. MAJOR. Seriously, the whole gay thing pale's in comparison. They weren't cowboys. They were sheperds. I feel so ripped off. I was pretty excited about some cowboy/cowboy lovin, but all I got was two sheperds having a little cuddle.

[quote=Accountable]Yeh. I've trimmed my input considerably. Nowhere else to go, though. For me, FG is like the USA - it's the best around, despite the imperfections. It's sad when people get bent out of shape from others' trying to fix the imperfections.



D'you reckon the blowups here are related to why the world can't sit still for more than a few years without a major war?[/quote]



I think a lot of people are doing the same and treading carefully or maybe not posting at all....I guess it's a bit like having a car accident, you drive much more carefully for a while afterwards and then....it's back to normal....or you never drive again. .... a cooling off period isn't a bad thing. The worst outcome is that people leave or never learn their mistakes. That scenario is a great shame.



IMO the blowups here are a consequence of us being human beings and human bings start wars....a bit like the car accident example....we never learn.



Sorry if I've rambled....you know me ! :-6



Must just say one more thing.....there is a tendency to keep harping back on the past and dredging up old fights and indiscretions here....even months later...I wish people wouldn't do that. Forgive, forget, learn and move on or ignore.:yh_flower

Bez wrote: [quote=Accountable]Yeh. I've trimmed my input considerably. Nowhere else to go, though. For me, FG is like the USA - it's the best around, despite the imperfections. It's sad when people get bent out of shape from others' trying to fix the imperfections.



D'you reckon the blowups here are related to why the world can't sit still for more than a few years without a major war?[/quote]



I think a lot of people are doing the same and treading carefully or maybe not posting at all....I guess it's a bit like having a car accident, you drive much more carefully for a while afterwards and then....it's back to normal....or you never drive again. .... a cooling off period isn't a bad thing. The worst outcome is that people leave or never learn their mistakes. That scenario is a great shame.

IMO the blowups here are a consequence of us being human beings and human bings start wars....a bit like the car accident example....we never learn.

Sorry if I've rambled....you know me ! :-6

Must just say one more thing.....there is a tendency to keep harping back on the past and dredging up old fights and indiscretions here....even months later...I wish people wouldn't do that. Forgive, forget, learn and move on or ignore.:yh_flower


I don't remember that bit in Brokeback... :hmmm:

Amie wrote: [quote=Bez]



I don't remember that bit in Brokeback... :hmmm:


This threads been a bit volatile at times Amie as have some others. I was just responding to ACCs comment, not to the film which I haven't seen.



Lots of people would probably like to see the demise of this thread....but it's pretty hardy...just like us gardeners.:wah:

Bez wrote: [quote=Amie]



This threads been a bit volatile at times Amie as have some others. I was just responding to ACCs comment, not to the film which I haven't seen.



Lots of people would probably like to see the demise of this thread....but it's pretty hardy...just like us gardeners.:wah:


oh :wah: I have to confess. I only read up to about page three before I had to make my little joke about them being sheperds. Sorry!!

So in conclusion its a not bad, good, rubbish, must go see film then? :wah:

abbey wrote: So in conclusion its a not bad, good, rubbish, must go see film then? :wah:


I'd have to say, it's a great film actually. A definite must see.