You'd think that as God sowed his Word through His vessels as they were in holy spiritual trances from worship and prayer, he'd get the wording right and avoid conflict in order to make it comfortable for his chosen to abide in the understanding of His Word?
Your claim is that he played head games and word games here and there?
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Complex Molecules and Organs 5
[continued]
c. “To my mind the human brain is the most marvelous and mysterious object in the whole universe and no geologic period seems too long to allow for its natural evolution. Henry Fairfield Osborn, an influential evolutionist speaking to the American Association for the Advancement of Science in December 1929, as told by Roger Lewin, Bones of Contention (New York: Simon and Schuster, Inc., 1987), p. 57. [Even greater capabilities of the brain have been discovered since 1929. Undoubtedly, more remain.]
“And in Man is a three-pound brain which, as far as we know, is the most complex and orderly arrangement of matter in the universe. Isaac Asimov, “In the Game of Energy and Thermodynamics You Can’t Even Break Even, Smithsonian, August 1970, p. 10.
Asimov forgot that the brain, and presumably most of its details, is coded by only a fraction of an individual’s DNA. Therefore, it would be more accurate to say that DNA is the most complex and orderly arrangement of matter known in the universe.
The human brain is frequently likened to a supercomputer. In most respects the brain greatly exceeds any computer’s capabilities. Speed is one area where the computer beats the brain—at least in some ways. For example, few of us can quickly multiply 0.0239 times 854.95. This task is called a floating point operation, because the decimal point “floats until we (or a computer) decide where to place it. The number of floating point operations per second (FLOPS) is a measure of a computer’s speed. As of this writing, an IBM computer can achieve 3,000 trillion FLOPS (3 petaFLOPS). One challenge is to prevent these superfast computers from overheating. Too much electrically generated heat is dissipated in too small a volume.
Our brains operate at petaFLOPS speeds—without overheating. One knowledgeable observer on these ultrafast computers commented:
“The human brain itself serves, in some sense, as a proof of concept . Its dense network of neurons apparently operates at a petaFLOPS or higher level. Yet the whole device fits in a 1 liter box and uses only about 10 watts of power. That’s a hard act to follow. Ivars Peterson, “PetaCrunchers: Setting a Course toward Ultrafast Supercomputing, Science News, Vol. 147, 15 April 1995, p. 235.
Also, the 1,400 cubic centimeter (3 pound) human brain is more than three times larger than that of a chimpanzee, and when adjusted for body weight and size, larger than that of any other animal. How, then, could the brain have evolved? Why haven’t more animals evolved large, “petaFLOP brains?
[From “In the Beginning by Walt Brown]
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So you leave for a few days and return to paste more of your hogwash in an effort to ignore the ongoing conversation we were having about the fact that The Bible Disproves God.
Why is it that God plays head games with some biblical text and word games with other texts and then expects some other parts to be interpreted literally? And, who said you and yours are the arbiters of it all?
Why is it that God plays head games with some biblical text and word games with other texts and then expects some other parts to be interpreted literally? And, who said you and yours are the arbiters of it all?
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Ahso!;1503306 wrote: So you leave for a few days and return to paste more of your hogwash in an effort to ignore the ongoing conversation we were having about the fact that The Bible Disproves God.
Why is it that God plays head games with some biblical text and word games with other texts and then expects some other parts to be interpreted literally? And, who said you and yours are the arbiters of it all?
What hogwash? Could you be more specific?
How does the Bible disprove God? What head games and word games are you referring to?
I consider the Bible can be taken literally with the few exceptions that are obviously allegorical such as this poetic statement:
"The mountains and the hills shall break forth into singing before you, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands" (Isaiah 55:12).
I consider any statement symbolic that is in conflict with the overall literal message of the Bible, which is not only accurate, but obviously authored by God:
Bible Accuracy
1. Archaeology confirms the historical accuracy of the Bible:
Archaeology and the Bible
The Rocks Cry Out
In what ways have the discoveries of archaeology verified the reliability of the Bible? • ChristianAnswers.Net
Archaeology and the Bible • ChristianAnswers.Net
http://www.ucg.org/the-good-news/the-bi ... cal-record
2. The Bible is not a science book, yet is scientifically accurate:
Scientific Facts in The Bible
Eternal Productions - 101 Scientific Facts and Foreknowledge
Science and the Bible
3. The Bible is filled with hundreds of accurately fulfilled prophecies:
100prophecies.org
About Bible Prophecy
Bible Prophecies Fulfilled
Reasons To Believe : Fulfilled Prophecy: Evidence for the Reliability of the Bible
Bible Prophecy
No other book, religious or secular, comes close to meeting those requirements.
Why is it that God plays head games with some biblical text and word games with other texts and then expects some other parts to be interpreted literally? And, who said you and yours are the arbiters of it all?
What hogwash? Could you be more specific?
How does the Bible disprove God? What head games and word games are you referring to?
I consider the Bible can be taken literally with the few exceptions that are obviously allegorical such as this poetic statement:
"The mountains and the hills shall break forth into singing before you, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands" (Isaiah 55:12).
I consider any statement symbolic that is in conflict with the overall literal message of the Bible, which is not only accurate, but obviously authored by God:
Bible Accuracy
1. Archaeology confirms the historical accuracy of the Bible:
Archaeology and the Bible
The Rocks Cry Out
In what ways have the discoveries of archaeology verified the reliability of the Bible? • ChristianAnswers.Net
Archaeology and the Bible • ChristianAnswers.Net
http://www.ucg.org/the-good-news/the-bi ... cal-record
2. The Bible is not a science book, yet is scientifically accurate:
Scientific Facts in The Bible
Eternal Productions - 101 Scientific Facts and Foreknowledge
Science and the Bible
3. The Bible is filled with hundreds of accurately fulfilled prophecies:
100prophecies.org
About Bible Prophecy
Bible Prophecies Fulfilled
Reasons To Believe : Fulfilled Prophecy: Evidence for the Reliability of the Bible
Bible Prophecy
No other book, religious or secular, comes close to meeting those requirements.
Truth Frees! Evolution is evidence free speculation masquerading as science.
Science Disproves Evolution
How do you reconcile the following?
This
[1:10] God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good.
[1:11] Then God said, "Let the earth put forth vegetation: plants yielding seed, and fruit trees of every kind on earth that bear fruit with the seed in it." And it was so.
[1:12] The earth brought forth vegetation: plants yielding seed of every kind, and trees of every kind bearing fruit with the seed in it. And God saw that it was good.
[1:13] And there was evening and there was morning, the third day.And this[1:26] Then God said, "Let us make humankind in our image, according to our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the wild animals of the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."
[1:27] So God created humankind in his image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
[1:28] God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth."
[1:29] God said, "See, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food.
[1:30] And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food." And it was so.With this
[2:1] Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all their multitude.
[2:2] And on the seventh day God finished the work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all the work that he had done.
[2:3] So God blessed the seventh day and hallowed it, because on it God rested from all the work that he had done in creation.
[2:4] These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created. In the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
[2:5] when no plant of the field was yet in the earth and no herb of the field had yet sprung up - for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was no one to till the ground;
[2:6] but a stream would rise from the earth, and water the whole face of the ground -
[2:7] then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and the man became a living being.
Which course of events are the correct ones? Was man made after the plants and vegetation as the first two quotes say or before the plants and vegetation as the second chapter of Genesis claims?
And how do you know your answer for sure?
This
[1:10] God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good.
[1:11] Then God said, "Let the earth put forth vegetation: plants yielding seed, and fruit trees of every kind on earth that bear fruit with the seed in it." And it was so.
[1:12] The earth brought forth vegetation: plants yielding seed of every kind, and trees of every kind bearing fruit with the seed in it. And God saw that it was good.
[1:13] And there was evening and there was morning, the third day.And this[1:26] Then God said, "Let us make humankind in our image, according to our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the wild animals of the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."
[1:27] So God created humankind in his image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
[1:28] God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth."
[1:29] God said, "See, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food.
[1:30] And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food." And it was so.With this
[2:1] Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all their multitude.
[2:2] And on the seventh day God finished the work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all the work that he had done.
[2:3] So God blessed the seventh day and hallowed it, because on it God rested from all the work that he had done in creation.
[2:4] These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created. In the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
[2:5] when no plant of the field was yet in the earth and no herb of the field had yet sprung up - for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was no one to till the ground;
[2:6] but a stream would rise from the earth, and water the whole face of the ground -
[2:7] then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and the man became a living being.
Which course of events are the correct ones? Was man made after the plants and vegetation as the first two quotes say or before the plants and vegetation as the second chapter of Genesis claims?
And how do you know your answer for sure?
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
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Sink back into the ocean
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Ahso!;1503369 wrote: How do you reconcile the following?
This
[1:10] God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good.
[1:11] Then God said, "Let the earth put forth vegetation: plants yielding seed, and fruit trees of every kind on earth that bear fruit with the seed in it." And it was so.
[1:12] The earth brought forth vegetation: plants yielding seed of every kind, and trees of every kind bearing fruit with the seed in it. And God saw that it was good.
[1:13] And there was evening and there was morning, the third day.
And this
[1:26] Then God said, "Let us make humankind in our image, according to our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the wild animals of the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."
[1:27] So God created humankind in his image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
[1:28] God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth."
[1:29] God said, "See, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food.
[1:30] And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food." And it was so.
With this
[2:1] Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all their multitude.
[2:2] And on the seventh day God finished the work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all the work that he had done.
[2:3] So God blessed the seventh day and hallowed it, because on it God rested from all the work that he had done in creation.
[2:4] These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created. In the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
[2:5] when no plant of the field was yet in the earth and no herb of the field had yet sprung up - for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was no one to till the ground;
[2:6] but a stream would rise from the earth, and water the whole face of the ground -
[2:7] then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and the man became a living being.
Which course of events are the correct ones? Was man made after the plants and vegetation as the first two quotes say or before the plants and vegetation as the second chapter of Genesis claims?
And how do you know your answer for sure?
You are questioning an apparent contradiction between Genesis 1 and 2. I believe the Garden of Eden story is an allegory containing symbols. I believe it is the symbolic story of the beginning of the human condition and our fall after Genesis 1:1. I believe that before the beginning only God existed in the three persons of the Trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
God the Son created the universe and the angels (John 1:1-3). I believe this is the story of Eden and its first inhabitants. The angels were created in the image of God. God is Spirit (John 4:24) and the angels were spirit. God has a mind and the angels had a mind. God has free will and the angels had free will.
God’s purpose for creating the angels was for companionship:
➢ “And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God (Jas. 2:23).
➢ “...for Thou hast created all things, and for Thy pleasure they are and were created (Rev. 4:11).
In order to have companions He had to give the angels free will. In giving them free will He had to refrain from forcing His will on them. He could not create character in the angels without violating their free will and thus defeating the very purpose for their creation—companionship. They had to develop character through the things they experienced and the choices they made. He could not build in obedience without interfering with their free will. They had to be companions with Him because that was their choice. Forced companionship is not true companionship. He could not force them to love Him. He could not force them to want to obey Him. Love and obedience had to develop in each individual through experience with Him.
In order for God to create the universe He had to establish certain laws. The physical laws that hold the creation together are based on spiritual laws. Breaking these laws is sin and results in death. These principles were taught to the angels, but truth is never really known unless it is experienced. I can hear about the pain of hunger, but until I experience hunger I will never really know that pain. The angels were taught the correct way to live. They were taught the difference between right and wrong. They were taught that sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4) and the wages of sin is death (Rom. 6:23), but since they had never experienced death they did not know what death was.
Rebellion
The angels began to go throughout creation experiencing, growing and developing character. This is the symbolism of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. They had direct access to eternal life represented by the tree of life. By living in obedience to God they would have life but disobedience would bring separation and death. All they had to do was choose good and avoid evil as God defined those terms. Some of the angels began to follow a course that was contrary to God’s will. They decided they could define good and evil. This is the symbology of eating the forbidden fruit. Instead of relying on God’s definition of good and evil they chose to ignore Him and make that decision for themselves. As they moved in this direction they began to drift farther and farther away from the good that God had revealed to them. They were following a path that seemed good to them but was in opposition to what God had revealed was good. “There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death (Pr. 14:12; 16:25). More and more they were following the spirit of rebellion. They were accusing God of being in error. They thought they were right and God was wrong. This spirit of rebellion and accusation is the definition of Satan, in my opinion.
Separation
In the beginning of the Eden story, we are told that Adam was made from the dust of the ground. This sounds like the earth, but if the story is symbolic then certain earth symbols can be used symbolically. We are also told that God formed Eve from one of Adam’s ribs. I believe that when God first created the angels He created them without defining sexual attributes as Jesus suggested. Perhaps each angel possessed the spiritual equivalent of both male and female attributes in perfect balance. When God began His plan of salvation on earth He accentuated the male attribute in some and the female in others. The story of Eve coming from Adam’s rib is the story of this separation. Each individual still contains both sexual attributes, but in the male the female attribute is suppressed, and in the female the male attribute is suppressed. This is not found in Scripture in such detail, but Edgar Cayce (more about him later) made this claim in some of his readings and it makes sense to me. Jesus does seem to suggest this when He said; “For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven (Mt. 22:30).
God could not allow these angels to continue their disobedience throughout His creation. As a matter of fact, they had separated themselves from God—the “Tree of Life—and were now under the death penalty as the law demanded. Since God is just He had every right to execute sentence against these rebellious angels immediately, but God is also merciful. “And the LORD passed by before him [Moses], and proclaimed, The LORD, the LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin¦ (Ex. 34:6,7).
The angels’ rebellion did not take God by surprise. Since He had given His angels free will, He did not know exactly what choices they would make, but He did know all the choices that were possible, including rebellion. It is not that God does not know everything there is to know about everyone and everything, but in His sovereignty He can choose to limit Himself. So He already had a plan ready in the event that path was chosen:
“Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation [manner of life] received by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot, who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you (1 Pet. 1:18-20).
Since death was the penalty for sin, that penalty could not be changed without destroying the law and bringing down all of creation, since creation depends on God’s law for its existence. But the angels could be saved from death if someone died in their place. Someone else had to receive their punishment for them. There was only one person in all of creation who could do such a thing and that was God Himself, the one who had created everything and everyone in the first place and had established the laws that made it all work. But just paying their penalty for them would not bring about repentance on the part of the disobedient angels. First, they had to understand that their way was wrong and God’s way was right—and repent.
When the angels rebelled, they were making a statement. They were saying that God’s revelation of good and evil was incorrect and they took on themselves to define what was good and evil. This is the symbol of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Eden. When they began to decide for themselves what was good and evil they were eating forbidden fruit. They were saying their way was better than God’s revealed way. That attitude persists to this day among most of the people on earth, doesn’t it?
Judgment
About a third of the angels made this statement and the rest of them knew of it. If God had destroyed the rebellious angels at that point His righteousness and power would have been demonstrated and the surviving angels would have served God more out of fear than love, which was not God’s desire. Also the question would remain unanswered: was God’s way really right? Would the path the rebellious angels had taken really have ended in disaster? These questions would have remained unanswered if God had exercised His righteousness and destroyed them. Besides, God is merciful and did not want to lose a single angel. As we are told in 2 Peter 3:9; “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering to us-ward [toward us], not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. God is life, not death.
Death and destruction are not part of God's nature although He will resort to such measures if necessary, after all else fails. We have a sober reminder of this fact in Isaiah 28:21; “For the LORD shall rise up as in mount Perazim. He shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that He may do His work, His strange work, and bring to pass His act, His strange act. In Deuteronomy 30:19,20, God seems to be pleading as He says; “I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing. Therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live, that thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey His voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto Him, for He is thy life, and the length of thy days¦ Jesus expressed the same feeling in Matthew 23:37 when He said, “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee. How often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Can you hear the sobs in these statements? Down through history to this present time we witness mankind’s tendency to choose death instead of life, don’t we? The worldwide practice of murdering unborn babies is just one example. In the United States alone over 3000 babies are legally murdered every day, and most of us ignore and/or accept this fact.
Confined to Earth
And so God confined the rebellious angels to earth. When the disobedient angels arrived, they were furious at having their wings clipped, so to speak. They had literally been grabbed by the scruff of their necks and yanked out of their freewheeling roaming throughout God’s creation and confined to this tiny speck of dust called earth. I believe this is vividly and symbolically portrayed in Revelation 12:7-12.
Destruction
I believe that even though they could no longer roam freely throughout creation, they still retained some of their angelic powers. Giving full vent to their rage they literally raised hell here on earth to such an extent that they destroyed it. Volcanic dust and debris in the atmosphere was miles thick, cutting out all light. Genesis 1:2 describes the scene this way: “And the earth was without form, and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. The word “was in this verse is translated from the Hebrew word “hayah which can also be translated “became and has been in over 65 Bible verses from Genesis 2:7 through Ezekiel 36:4.
After the disobedient angels had destroyed the earth with their tantrum, there was no more they could do. They had literally reached the end of their rope. Jesus may have had this period in mind in His parable of the prodigal son, when he reached the point where he was starving in the pigpen (Lk. 15:11-16). God allowed these angels to demonstrate to themselves as well as the other angels what happens when they go their own way outside of His will.
Renewal
I believe that when man first appeared on earth, he appeared in five different places as the five races. In Genesis 1:26,27 we learn:
“And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.
The word “man in this passage comes from the Hebrew word “adam, and means a human being, an individual or mankind. I believe the context here calls for the translation “mankind.
Also, up to this point He said, “Let there be light...a firmament...let the earth bring forth grass...the fruit tree¦ etc. But when He created mankind He said “Let Us make man in Our image¦ God seems to be saying here that mankind is totally different from the rest of His creation.
The fall
In affect God told His fallen angels, “You say your way is better than My way. All right, we will see. I am giving you the world and all the raw material you need to experiment with your way. With your intelligence you have everything you need to create paradise or hell. We shall see how much better your way is. And so human history began on earth and mankind was given the physical version of the spiritual law that holds creation together—The Ten Commandments.
After the angels had their tantrum on earth they were the spiritual equivalent of someone who has been terribly burned in a fire, or someone who has been severely injured in an accident. God’s six days of creation were spent re-creating the earth. On the sixth day He re-created (healed) His fallen angels in His image: mind, spirit, and will; but this time adding the physical equivalent of His image, providing a physical vehicle through which they could express themselves in a physical, three dimensional world.
God then inserts a parable in a parenthesis in Genesis two and three giving a symbolic review of man’s beginning and fall and using two real people, Adam and Eve, on whom He focuses in the rest of Scripture. It is from these two that the chosen people came. This race was the vehicle for the writing of Scripture, which records for mankind God’s nature, our nature, our need for salvation, His plan of salvation and the history of His relationship with His chosen people and their neighbors. After the flood all wicked mankind was destroyed except the descendents of Adam and Eve through Noah and his family.
[From Reincarnation in the Bible? [http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/reincar ... 1491811009]
This
[1:10] God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good.
[1:11] Then God said, "Let the earth put forth vegetation: plants yielding seed, and fruit trees of every kind on earth that bear fruit with the seed in it." And it was so.
[1:12] The earth brought forth vegetation: plants yielding seed of every kind, and trees of every kind bearing fruit with the seed in it. And God saw that it was good.
[1:13] And there was evening and there was morning, the third day.
And this
[1:26] Then God said, "Let us make humankind in our image, according to our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the wild animals of the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."
[1:27] So God created humankind in his image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
[1:28] God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth."
[1:29] God said, "See, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food.
[1:30] And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food." And it was so.
With this
[2:1] Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all their multitude.
[2:2] And on the seventh day God finished the work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all the work that he had done.
[2:3] So God blessed the seventh day and hallowed it, because on it God rested from all the work that he had done in creation.
[2:4] These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created. In the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
[2:5] when no plant of the field was yet in the earth and no herb of the field had yet sprung up - for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was no one to till the ground;
[2:6] but a stream would rise from the earth, and water the whole face of the ground -
[2:7] then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and the man became a living being.
Which course of events are the correct ones? Was man made after the plants and vegetation as the first two quotes say or before the plants and vegetation as the second chapter of Genesis claims?
And how do you know your answer for sure?
You are questioning an apparent contradiction between Genesis 1 and 2. I believe the Garden of Eden story is an allegory containing symbols. I believe it is the symbolic story of the beginning of the human condition and our fall after Genesis 1:1. I believe that before the beginning only God existed in the three persons of the Trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
God the Son created the universe and the angels (John 1:1-3). I believe this is the story of Eden and its first inhabitants. The angels were created in the image of God. God is Spirit (John 4:24) and the angels were spirit. God has a mind and the angels had a mind. God has free will and the angels had free will.
God’s purpose for creating the angels was for companionship:
➢ “And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God (Jas. 2:23).
➢ “...for Thou hast created all things, and for Thy pleasure they are and were created (Rev. 4:11).
In order to have companions He had to give the angels free will. In giving them free will He had to refrain from forcing His will on them. He could not create character in the angels without violating their free will and thus defeating the very purpose for their creation—companionship. They had to develop character through the things they experienced and the choices they made. He could not build in obedience without interfering with their free will. They had to be companions with Him because that was their choice. Forced companionship is not true companionship. He could not force them to love Him. He could not force them to want to obey Him. Love and obedience had to develop in each individual through experience with Him.
In order for God to create the universe He had to establish certain laws. The physical laws that hold the creation together are based on spiritual laws. Breaking these laws is sin and results in death. These principles were taught to the angels, but truth is never really known unless it is experienced. I can hear about the pain of hunger, but until I experience hunger I will never really know that pain. The angels were taught the correct way to live. They were taught the difference between right and wrong. They were taught that sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4) and the wages of sin is death (Rom. 6:23), but since they had never experienced death they did not know what death was.
Rebellion
The angels began to go throughout creation experiencing, growing and developing character. This is the symbolism of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. They had direct access to eternal life represented by the tree of life. By living in obedience to God they would have life but disobedience would bring separation and death. All they had to do was choose good and avoid evil as God defined those terms. Some of the angels began to follow a course that was contrary to God’s will. They decided they could define good and evil. This is the symbology of eating the forbidden fruit. Instead of relying on God’s definition of good and evil they chose to ignore Him and make that decision for themselves. As they moved in this direction they began to drift farther and farther away from the good that God had revealed to them. They were following a path that seemed good to them but was in opposition to what God had revealed was good. “There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death (Pr. 14:12; 16:25). More and more they were following the spirit of rebellion. They were accusing God of being in error. They thought they were right and God was wrong. This spirit of rebellion and accusation is the definition of Satan, in my opinion.
Separation
In the beginning of the Eden story, we are told that Adam was made from the dust of the ground. This sounds like the earth, but if the story is symbolic then certain earth symbols can be used symbolically. We are also told that God formed Eve from one of Adam’s ribs. I believe that when God first created the angels He created them without defining sexual attributes as Jesus suggested. Perhaps each angel possessed the spiritual equivalent of both male and female attributes in perfect balance. When God began His plan of salvation on earth He accentuated the male attribute in some and the female in others. The story of Eve coming from Adam’s rib is the story of this separation. Each individual still contains both sexual attributes, but in the male the female attribute is suppressed, and in the female the male attribute is suppressed. This is not found in Scripture in such detail, but Edgar Cayce (more about him later) made this claim in some of his readings and it makes sense to me. Jesus does seem to suggest this when He said; “For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven (Mt. 22:30).
God could not allow these angels to continue their disobedience throughout His creation. As a matter of fact, they had separated themselves from God—the “Tree of Life—and were now under the death penalty as the law demanded. Since God is just He had every right to execute sentence against these rebellious angels immediately, but God is also merciful. “And the LORD passed by before him [Moses], and proclaimed, The LORD, the LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin¦ (Ex. 34:6,7).
The angels’ rebellion did not take God by surprise. Since He had given His angels free will, He did not know exactly what choices they would make, but He did know all the choices that were possible, including rebellion. It is not that God does not know everything there is to know about everyone and everything, but in His sovereignty He can choose to limit Himself. So He already had a plan ready in the event that path was chosen:
“Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation [manner of life] received by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot, who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you (1 Pet. 1:18-20).
Since death was the penalty for sin, that penalty could not be changed without destroying the law and bringing down all of creation, since creation depends on God’s law for its existence. But the angels could be saved from death if someone died in their place. Someone else had to receive their punishment for them. There was only one person in all of creation who could do such a thing and that was God Himself, the one who had created everything and everyone in the first place and had established the laws that made it all work. But just paying their penalty for them would not bring about repentance on the part of the disobedient angels. First, they had to understand that their way was wrong and God’s way was right—and repent.
When the angels rebelled, they were making a statement. They were saying that God’s revelation of good and evil was incorrect and they took on themselves to define what was good and evil. This is the symbol of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Eden. When they began to decide for themselves what was good and evil they were eating forbidden fruit. They were saying their way was better than God’s revealed way. That attitude persists to this day among most of the people on earth, doesn’t it?
Judgment
About a third of the angels made this statement and the rest of them knew of it. If God had destroyed the rebellious angels at that point His righteousness and power would have been demonstrated and the surviving angels would have served God more out of fear than love, which was not God’s desire. Also the question would remain unanswered: was God’s way really right? Would the path the rebellious angels had taken really have ended in disaster? These questions would have remained unanswered if God had exercised His righteousness and destroyed them. Besides, God is merciful and did not want to lose a single angel. As we are told in 2 Peter 3:9; “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering to us-ward [toward us], not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. God is life, not death.
Death and destruction are not part of God's nature although He will resort to such measures if necessary, after all else fails. We have a sober reminder of this fact in Isaiah 28:21; “For the LORD shall rise up as in mount Perazim. He shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that He may do His work, His strange work, and bring to pass His act, His strange act. In Deuteronomy 30:19,20, God seems to be pleading as He says; “I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing. Therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live, that thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey His voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto Him, for He is thy life, and the length of thy days¦ Jesus expressed the same feeling in Matthew 23:37 when He said, “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee. How often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Can you hear the sobs in these statements? Down through history to this present time we witness mankind’s tendency to choose death instead of life, don’t we? The worldwide practice of murdering unborn babies is just one example. In the United States alone over 3000 babies are legally murdered every day, and most of us ignore and/or accept this fact.
Confined to Earth
And so God confined the rebellious angels to earth. When the disobedient angels arrived, they were furious at having their wings clipped, so to speak. They had literally been grabbed by the scruff of their necks and yanked out of their freewheeling roaming throughout God’s creation and confined to this tiny speck of dust called earth. I believe this is vividly and symbolically portrayed in Revelation 12:7-12.
Destruction
I believe that even though they could no longer roam freely throughout creation, they still retained some of their angelic powers. Giving full vent to their rage they literally raised hell here on earth to such an extent that they destroyed it. Volcanic dust and debris in the atmosphere was miles thick, cutting out all light. Genesis 1:2 describes the scene this way: “And the earth was without form, and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. The word “was in this verse is translated from the Hebrew word “hayah which can also be translated “became and has been in over 65 Bible verses from Genesis 2:7 through Ezekiel 36:4.
After the disobedient angels had destroyed the earth with their tantrum, there was no more they could do. They had literally reached the end of their rope. Jesus may have had this period in mind in His parable of the prodigal son, when he reached the point where he was starving in the pigpen (Lk. 15:11-16). God allowed these angels to demonstrate to themselves as well as the other angels what happens when they go their own way outside of His will.
Renewal
I believe that when man first appeared on earth, he appeared in five different places as the five races. In Genesis 1:26,27 we learn:
“And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.
The word “man in this passage comes from the Hebrew word “adam, and means a human being, an individual or mankind. I believe the context here calls for the translation “mankind.
Also, up to this point He said, “Let there be light...a firmament...let the earth bring forth grass...the fruit tree¦ etc. But when He created mankind He said “Let Us make man in Our image¦ God seems to be saying here that mankind is totally different from the rest of His creation.
The fall
In affect God told His fallen angels, “You say your way is better than My way. All right, we will see. I am giving you the world and all the raw material you need to experiment with your way. With your intelligence you have everything you need to create paradise or hell. We shall see how much better your way is. And so human history began on earth and mankind was given the physical version of the spiritual law that holds creation together—The Ten Commandments.
After the angels had their tantrum on earth they were the spiritual equivalent of someone who has been terribly burned in a fire, or someone who has been severely injured in an accident. God’s six days of creation were spent re-creating the earth. On the sixth day He re-created (healed) His fallen angels in His image: mind, spirit, and will; but this time adding the physical equivalent of His image, providing a physical vehicle through which they could express themselves in a physical, three dimensional world.
God then inserts a parable in a parenthesis in Genesis two and three giving a symbolic review of man’s beginning and fall and using two real people, Adam and Eve, on whom He focuses in the rest of Scripture. It is from these two that the chosen people came. This race was the vehicle for the writing of Scripture, which records for mankind God’s nature, our nature, our need for salvation, His plan of salvation and the history of His relationship with His chosen people and their neighbors. After the flood all wicked mankind was destroyed except the descendents of Adam and Eve through Noah and his family.
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Everything except what I asked about. I simply asked you when humans were created by your God - before or after the plants and vegetation. Also what your proof is.
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Once again, little or no actual response - just more pastes. What little he does off his own back he immediately falls back on - such as the sun revolving around the sun. Now changing from the Bible being literal & scientifically accurate to being allegorical.
If you were to delete all pastes from Pahu's posts he would take a year to fill a single post with anything near an original argument in it. The thing is that they're not even original posts - they're the same ones, over & over again. Not even by different people or even different books. Same person - one book. He has pasted the entire publication multiple times in here - and it's just as much a load of unsubstantiated bollocks as it was when he first started to paste it.
If you were to delete all pastes from Pahu's posts he would take a year to fill a single post with anything near an original argument in it. The thing is that they're not even original posts - they're the same ones, over & over again. Not even by different people or even different books. Same person - one book. He has pasted the entire publication multiple times in here - and it's just as much a load of unsubstantiated bollocks as it was when he first started to paste it.
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Ahso!;1503398 wrote: Everything except what I asked about. I simply asked you when humans were created by your God - before or after the plants and vegetation. Also what your proof is.
You will find the answer to your question in my response.
You will find the answer to your question in my response.
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Pahu;1503497 wrote: You will find the answer to your question in my response.Why don't you just give me the answer in twenty five words or less.
Where's your proof? What you gave was an explanation, and that's not proof.
Don't run away
Where's your proof? What you gave was an explanation, and that's not proof.
Don't run away
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Ahso!;1503499 wrote: Why don't you just give me the answer in twenty five words or less.
Where's your proof? What you gave was an explanation, and that's not proof.
Don't run away
He can't explain anything unless it's included in Dolt Brown's book (which he doesn't even understand - he just pastes copies of it). He can't answer challenges because he has no answers. He can't post explanations because he doesn't understand any of it himself. All he does when pushed into a corner is to change the subject make another totally irrelevant pasting in the hope that the evidence against him will just go away. He can't provide any proof of anything because he nobody can prove anything that is wrong to be true, or to prove the existence of doesn't exist in the first place. In order to come up with a cognisant response one has to be able to think for one's self. Pahu has, on many occasions, proved that he is incapable of this.
Where's your proof? What you gave was an explanation, and that's not proof.
Don't run away
He can't explain anything unless it's included in Dolt Brown's book (which he doesn't even understand - he just pastes copies of it). He can't answer challenges because he has no answers. He can't post explanations because he doesn't understand any of it himself. All he does when pushed into a corner is to change the subject make another totally irrelevant pasting in the hope that the evidence against him will just go away. He can't provide any proof of anything because he nobody can prove anything that is wrong to be true, or to prove the existence of doesn't exist in the first place. In order to come up with a cognisant response one has to be able to think for one's self. Pahu has, on many occasions, proved that he is incapable of this.
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Ahso!;1503499 wrote: Why don't you just give me the answer in twenty five words or less.
Where's your proof? What you gave was an explanation, and that's not proof.
Don't run away
I believe that when man first appeared on earth, he appeared in five different places as the five races. In Genesis 1:26,27 we learn:
“And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.
The word “man in this passage comes from the Hebrew word “adam, and means a human being, an individual or mankind. I believe the context here calls for the translation “mankind.
Also, up to this point He said, “Let there be light...a firmament...let the earth bring forth grass...the fruit tree¦ etc. But when He created mankind He said “Let Us make man in Our image¦ God seems to be saying here that mankind is totally different from the rest of His creation.
Where's your proof? What you gave was an explanation, and that's not proof.
Don't run away
I believe that when man first appeared on earth, he appeared in five different places as the five races. In Genesis 1:26,27 we learn:
“And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.
The word “man in this passage comes from the Hebrew word “adam, and means a human being, an individual or mankind. I believe the context here calls for the translation “mankind.
Also, up to this point He said, “Let there be light...a firmament...let the earth bring forth grass...the fruit tree¦ etc. But when He created mankind He said “Let Us make man in Our image¦ God seems to be saying here that mankind is totally different from the rest of His creation.
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Pahu;1503528 wrote: I believe that when man first appeared on earth, he appeared in five different places as the five races. In Genesis 1:26,27 we learn:
“And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.
The word “man in this passage comes from the Hebrew word “adam, and means a human being, an individual or mankind. I believe the context here calls for the translation “mankind.
Also, up to this point He said, “Let there be light...a firmament...let the earth bring forth grass...the fruit tree¦ etc. But when He created mankind He said “Let Us make man in Our image¦ God seems to be saying here that mankind is totally different from the rest of His creation.I understand that this is your interpretation. But again, you have no proof of any of it, only belief.
Now perhaps you'll answer the other question I asked, which is: what makes you the arbiter?
“And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.
The word “man in this passage comes from the Hebrew word “adam, and means a human being, an individual or mankind. I believe the context here calls for the translation “mankind.
Also, up to this point He said, “Let there be light...a firmament...let the earth bring forth grass...the fruit tree¦ etc. But when He created mankind He said “Let Us make man in Our image¦ God seems to be saying here that mankind is totally different from the rest of His creation.I understand that this is your interpretation. But again, you have no proof of any of it, only belief.
Now perhaps you'll answer the other question I asked, which is: what makes you the arbiter?
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
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I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
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Ahso!;1503529 wrote:
I believe that when man first appeared on earth, he appeared in five different places as the five races. In Genesis 1:26,27 we learn:
“And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.
The word “man in this passage comes from the Hebrew word “adam, and means a human being, an individual or mankind. I believe the context here calls for the translation “mankind.
Also, up to this point He said, “Let there be light...a firmament...let the earth bring forth grass...the fruit tree¦ etc. But when He created mankind He said “Let Us make man in Our image¦ God seems to be saying here that mankind is totally different from the rest of His creation.
I understand that this is your interpretation. But again, you have no proof of any of it, only belief.
Notice I am directly quoting God. There is nothing to interpret.
Now perhaps you'll answer the other question I asked, which is: what makes you the arbiter?
I am not arbitrating anything. I am quoting God who is the ultimate arbiter.
I believe that when man first appeared on earth, he appeared in five different places as the five races. In Genesis 1:26,27 we learn:
“And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.
The word “man in this passage comes from the Hebrew word “adam, and means a human being, an individual or mankind. I believe the context here calls for the translation “mankind.
Also, up to this point He said, “Let there be light...a firmament...let the earth bring forth grass...the fruit tree¦ etc. But when He created mankind He said “Let Us make man in Our image¦ God seems to be saying here that mankind is totally different from the rest of His creation.
I understand that this is your interpretation. But again, you have no proof of any of it, only belief.
Notice I am directly quoting God. There is nothing to interpret.
Now perhaps you'll answer the other question I asked, which is: what makes you the arbiter?
I am not arbitrating anything. I am quoting God who is the ultimate arbiter.
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Pahu;1503539 wrote: Notice I am directly quoting God. There is nothing to interpret.
I am not arbitrating anything. I am quoting God who is the ultimate arbiter.You're deciding what is allegory and what is literal. What make you're decisions on that rights?
I am not arbitrating anything. I am quoting God who is the ultimate arbiter.You're deciding what is allegory and what is literal. What make you're decisions on that rights?
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Voltaire
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Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
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Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
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Ahso!;1503541 wrote: You're deciding what is allegory and what is literal. What make you're decisions on that rights?
Some statements are obviously allegorical such as:
"Let the rivers clap their hands; Let the hills be joyful together before the Lord" (Psalm 98:8).
"The mountains and the hills Shall break forth into singing before you, And all the trees of the field shall clap their hands" (Isaiah 55:12).
Other areas of the Bible are not so obvious but I consider them to be allegorical because they seem to conflict with the overall message of the Bible. For example the Garden of Eden story, Job and the temptations of Christ.
If we accept the story of the Garden of Eden as literal we are faced with several problems. One is the fact that on the sixth day of creation week it is revealed that God created man male and female (Gen. 1:27). That would mean Adam and Eve were both created in one day. But according to the Eden story God first made Adam, then He had him name all the cattle, the fowl of the air and every beast of the field. Did he do all that in one day? Then finally God made Eve from Adam’s rib.
Another problem with a literal interpretation is we are told about two special trees that have special powers; the tree of life, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Both of these trees have fruit that impart special powers. One imparts eternal life and the other special knowledge. Also, there is a special talking snake in this garden that is later identified as Satan (Rev. 9:12; 20:2). Nowhere else in all of Scripture is there any suggestion that eternal life or knowledge can be transmitted by eating magic fruit. On the contrary, in the case of eternal life, we are told throughout Scripture that we must repent of our sins and submit to God (Jesus Christ) as Lord. Scripture consistently teaches that forgiveness always follows repentance.
If we accept the story of the Garden of Eden as literal, then we will have to say the scriptures contradict in the most important doctrine—salvation! Eternal life is attained through Christ, not by eating magic fruit from a magic tree. Neither is knowledge gained by eating magic fruit. Rather we attain knowledge by experience and study. Knowledge that cannot be attained in these ways can be attained by revelation. God has revealed knowledge about Himself, beginnings, our nature, our need for salvation and His plan for our salvation. None of this knowledge can be gained by eating fruit from a tree. Therefore, I believe the Garden of Eden story is an allegory containing symbols. I believe it is the symbolic story of the beginning of the human condition and our fall after Genesis 1:1.
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Some statements are obviously allegorical such as:
"Let the rivers clap their hands; Let the hills be joyful together before the Lord" (Psalm 98:8).
"The mountains and the hills Shall break forth into singing before you, And all the trees of the field shall clap their hands" (Isaiah 55:12).
Other areas of the Bible are not so obvious but I consider them to be allegorical because they seem to conflict with the overall message of the Bible. For example the Garden of Eden story, Job and the temptations of Christ.
If we accept the story of the Garden of Eden as literal we are faced with several problems. One is the fact that on the sixth day of creation week it is revealed that God created man male and female (Gen. 1:27). That would mean Adam and Eve were both created in one day. But according to the Eden story God first made Adam, then He had him name all the cattle, the fowl of the air and every beast of the field. Did he do all that in one day? Then finally God made Eve from Adam’s rib.
Another problem with a literal interpretation is we are told about two special trees that have special powers; the tree of life, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Both of these trees have fruit that impart special powers. One imparts eternal life and the other special knowledge. Also, there is a special talking snake in this garden that is later identified as Satan (Rev. 9:12; 20:2). Nowhere else in all of Scripture is there any suggestion that eternal life or knowledge can be transmitted by eating magic fruit. On the contrary, in the case of eternal life, we are told throughout Scripture that we must repent of our sins and submit to God (Jesus Christ) as Lord. Scripture consistently teaches that forgiveness always follows repentance.
If we accept the story of the Garden of Eden as literal, then we will have to say the scriptures contradict in the most important doctrine—salvation! Eternal life is attained through Christ, not by eating magic fruit from a magic tree. Neither is knowledge gained by eating magic fruit. Rather we attain knowledge by experience and study. Knowledge that cannot be attained in these ways can be attained by revelation. God has revealed knowledge about Himself, beginnings, our nature, our need for salvation and His plan for our salvation. None of this knowledge can be gained by eating fruit from a tree. Therefore, I believe the Garden of Eden story is an allegory containing symbols. I believe it is the symbolic story of the beginning of the human condition and our fall after Genesis 1:1.
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Pahu;1503544 wrote: Some statements are obviously allegorical such as:
"Let the rivers clap their hands; Let the hills be joyful together before the Lord" (Psalm 98:8).
"The mountains and the hills Shall break forth into singing before you, And all the trees of the field shall clap their hands" (Isaiah 55:12).
Other areas of the Bible are not so obvious but I consider them to be allegorical because they seem to conflict with the overall message of the Bible. For example the Garden of Eden story, Job and the temptations of Christ.
If we accept the story of the Garden of Eden as literal we are faced with several problems. One is the fact that on the sixth day of creation week it is revealed that God created man male and female (Gen. 1:27). That would mean Adam and Eve were both created in one day. But according to the Eden story God first made Adam, then He had him name all the cattle, the fowl of the air and every beast of the field. Did he do all that in one day? Then finally God made Eve from Adam’s rib.
Another problem with a literal interpretation is we are told about two special trees that have special powers; the tree of life, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Both of these trees have fruit that impart special powers. One imparts eternal life and the other special knowledge. Also, there is a special talking snake in this garden that is later identified as Satan (Rev. 9:12; 20:2). Nowhere else in all of Scripture is there any suggestion that eternal life or knowledge can be transmitted by eating magic fruit. On the contrary, in the case of eternal life, we are told throughout Scripture that we must repent of our sins and submit to God (Jesus Christ) as Lord. Scripture consistently teaches that forgiveness always follows repentance.
If we accept the story of the Garden of Eden as literal, then we will have to say the scriptures contradict in the most important doctrine—salvation! Eternal life is attained through Christ, not by eating magic fruit from a magic tree. Neither is knowledge gained by eating magic fruit. Rather we attain knowledge by experience and study. Knowledge that cannot be attained in these ways can be attained by revelation. God has revealed knowledge about Himself, beginnings, our nature, our need for salvation and His plan for our salvation. None of this knowledge can be gained by eating fruit from a tree. Therefore, I believe the Garden of Eden story is an allegory containing symbols. I believe it is the symbolic story of the beginning of the human condition and our fall after Genesis 1:1.
[From Reincarnation in the Bible?] Reincarnation in the Bible? by Dan Carlton, Paperback | Barnes & Noble®Emphasis mine.
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Numbers22 wrote: 26And the angel of the LORD went further, and stood in a narrow place, where was no way to turn either to the right hand or to the left. 27And when the ass saw the angel of the LORD, she fell down under Balaam: and Balaam's anger was kindled, and he smote the ass with a staff. 28And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times? 29And Balaam said unto the ass, Because thou hast mocked me: I would there were a sword in mine hand, for now would I kill thee. 30And the ass said unto Balaam, Am not I thine ass, upon which thou hast ridden ever since I was thine unto this day? was I ever wont to do so unto thee? And he said, Nay. 31Then the LORD opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and he bowed down his head, and fell flat on his face. 32And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Wherefore hast thou smitten thine ass these three times? behold, I went out to withstand thee, because thy way is perverse before me:Did this actually happen, or is it more allegory?
"Let the rivers clap their hands; Let the hills be joyful together before the Lord" (Psalm 98:8).
"The mountains and the hills Shall break forth into singing before you, And all the trees of the field shall clap their hands" (Isaiah 55:12).
Other areas of the Bible are not so obvious but I consider them to be allegorical because they seem to conflict with the overall message of the Bible. For example the Garden of Eden story, Job and the temptations of Christ.
If we accept the story of the Garden of Eden as literal we are faced with several problems. One is the fact that on the sixth day of creation week it is revealed that God created man male and female (Gen. 1:27). That would mean Adam and Eve were both created in one day. But according to the Eden story God first made Adam, then He had him name all the cattle, the fowl of the air and every beast of the field. Did he do all that in one day? Then finally God made Eve from Adam’s rib.
Another problem with a literal interpretation is we are told about two special trees that have special powers; the tree of life, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Both of these trees have fruit that impart special powers. One imparts eternal life and the other special knowledge. Also, there is a special talking snake in this garden that is later identified as Satan (Rev. 9:12; 20:2). Nowhere else in all of Scripture is there any suggestion that eternal life or knowledge can be transmitted by eating magic fruit. On the contrary, in the case of eternal life, we are told throughout Scripture that we must repent of our sins and submit to God (Jesus Christ) as Lord. Scripture consistently teaches that forgiveness always follows repentance.
If we accept the story of the Garden of Eden as literal, then we will have to say the scriptures contradict in the most important doctrine—salvation! Eternal life is attained through Christ, not by eating magic fruit from a magic tree. Neither is knowledge gained by eating magic fruit. Rather we attain knowledge by experience and study. Knowledge that cannot be attained in these ways can be attained by revelation. God has revealed knowledge about Himself, beginnings, our nature, our need for salvation and His plan for our salvation. None of this knowledge can be gained by eating fruit from a tree. Therefore, I believe the Garden of Eden story is an allegory containing symbols. I believe it is the symbolic story of the beginning of the human condition and our fall after Genesis 1:1.
[From Reincarnation in the Bible?] Reincarnation in the Bible? by Dan Carlton, Paperback | Barnes & Noble®Emphasis mine.
Perhaps it's just God confounding people. He supposedly enjoys doing that after all, doesn't He.
Here's one for you
Numbers22 wrote: 26And the angel of the LORD went further, and stood in a narrow place, where was no way to turn either to the right hand or to the left. 27And when the ass saw the angel of the LORD, she fell down under Balaam: and Balaam's anger was kindled, and he smote the ass with a staff. 28And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times? 29And Balaam said unto the ass, Because thou hast mocked me: I would there were a sword in mine hand, for now would I kill thee. 30And the ass said unto Balaam, Am not I thine ass, upon which thou hast ridden ever since I was thine unto this day? was I ever wont to do so unto thee? And he said, Nay. 31Then the LORD opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and he bowed down his head, and fell flat on his face. 32And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Wherefore hast thou smitten thine ass these three times? behold, I went out to withstand thee, because thy way is perverse before me:Did this actually happen, or is it more allegory?
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Ahso!;1503546 wrote:
Some statements are obviously allegorical such as:
"Let the rivers clap their hands; Let the hills be joyful together before the Lord" (Psalm 98:8).
"The mountains and the hills Shall break forth into singing before you, And all the trees of the field shall clap their hands" (Isaiah 55:12).
Other areas of the Bible are not so obvious but I consider them to be allegorical because they seem to conflict with the overall message of the Bible. For example the Garden of Eden story, Job and the temptations of Christ.
If we accept the story of the Garden of Eden as literal we are faced with several problems. One is the fact that on the sixth day of creation week it is revealed that God created man male and female (Gen. 1:27). That would mean Adam and Eve were both created in one day. But according to the Eden story God first made Adam, then He had him name all the cattle, the fowl of the air and every beast of the field. Did he do all that in one day? Then finally God made Eve from Adam’s rib.
Another problem with a literal interpretation is we are told about two special trees that have special powers; the tree of life, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Both of these trees have fruit that impart special powers. One imparts eternal life and the other special knowledge. Also, there is a special talking snake in this garden that is later identified as Satan (Rev. 9:12; 20:2). Nowhere else in all of Scripture is there any suggestion that eternal life or knowledge can be transmitted by eating magic fruit. On the contrary, in the case of eternal life, we are told throughout Scripture that we must repent of our sins and submit to God (Jesus Christ) as Lord. Scripture consistently teaches that forgiveness always follows repentance.
If we accept the story of the Garden of Eden as literal, then we will have to say the scriptures contradict in the most important doctrine—salvation! Eternal life is attained through Christ, not by eating magic fruit from a magic tree. Neither is knowledge gained by eating magic fruit. Rather we attain knowledge by experience and study. Knowledge that cannot be attained in these ways can be attained by revelation. God has revealed knowledge about Himself, beginnings, our nature, our need for salvation and His plan for our salvation. None of this knowledge can be gained by eating fruit from a tree. Therefore, I believe the Garden of Eden story is an allegory containing symbols. I believe it is the symbolic story of the beginning of the human condition and our fall after Genesis 1:1.
[From Reincarnation in the Bible?] Reincarnation in the Bible? by Dan Carlton, Paperback | Barnes & Noble
Emphasis mine.
Perhaps it's just God confounding people. He supposedly enjoys doing that after all, doesn't He.
Not that I am aware of.
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[Quote] Originally Posted by Numbers22
26And the angel of the LORD went further, and stood in a narrow place, where was no way to turn either to the right hand or to the left. 27And when the ass saw the angel of the LORD, she fell down under Balaam: and Balaam's anger was kindled, and he smote the ass with a staff. 28And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times? 29And Balaam said unto the ass, Because thou hast mocked me: I would there were a sword in mine hand, for now would I kill thee. 30And the ass said unto Balaam, Am not I thine ass, upon which thou hast ridden ever since I was thine unto this day? was I ever wont to do so unto thee? And he said, Nay. 31Then the LORD opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and he bowed down his head, and fell flat on his face. 32And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Wherefore hast thou smitten thine ass these three times? behold, I went out to withstand thee, because thy way is perverse before me:
Did this actually happen, or is it more allegory?
I see no reason not to take it literally since it does not seem to conflict with the overall message of the Bible.
Some statements are obviously allegorical such as:
"Let the rivers clap their hands; Let the hills be joyful together before the Lord" (Psalm 98:8).
"The mountains and the hills Shall break forth into singing before you, And all the trees of the field shall clap their hands" (Isaiah 55:12).
Other areas of the Bible are not so obvious but I consider them to be allegorical because they seem to conflict with the overall message of the Bible. For example the Garden of Eden story, Job and the temptations of Christ.
If we accept the story of the Garden of Eden as literal we are faced with several problems. One is the fact that on the sixth day of creation week it is revealed that God created man male and female (Gen. 1:27). That would mean Adam and Eve were both created in one day. But according to the Eden story God first made Adam, then He had him name all the cattle, the fowl of the air and every beast of the field. Did he do all that in one day? Then finally God made Eve from Adam’s rib.
Another problem with a literal interpretation is we are told about two special trees that have special powers; the tree of life, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Both of these trees have fruit that impart special powers. One imparts eternal life and the other special knowledge. Also, there is a special talking snake in this garden that is later identified as Satan (Rev. 9:12; 20:2). Nowhere else in all of Scripture is there any suggestion that eternal life or knowledge can be transmitted by eating magic fruit. On the contrary, in the case of eternal life, we are told throughout Scripture that we must repent of our sins and submit to God (Jesus Christ) as Lord. Scripture consistently teaches that forgiveness always follows repentance.
If we accept the story of the Garden of Eden as literal, then we will have to say the scriptures contradict in the most important doctrine—salvation! Eternal life is attained through Christ, not by eating magic fruit from a magic tree. Neither is knowledge gained by eating magic fruit. Rather we attain knowledge by experience and study. Knowledge that cannot be attained in these ways can be attained by revelation. God has revealed knowledge about Himself, beginnings, our nature, our need for salvation and His plan for our salvation. None of this knowledge can be gained by eating fruit from a tree. Therefore, I believe the Garden of Eden story is an allegory containing symbols. I believe it is the symbolic story of the beginning of the human condition and our fall after Genesis 1:1.
[From Reincarnation in the Bible?] Reincarnation in the Bible? by Dan Carlton, Paperback | Barnes & Noble
Emphasis mine.
Perhaps it's just God confounding people. He supposedly enjoys doing that after all, doesn't He.
Not that I am aware of.
Here's one for you
[Quote] Originally Posted by Numbers22
26And the angel of the LORD went further, and stood in a narrow place, where was no way to turn either to the right hand or to the left. 27And when the ass saw the angel of the LORD, she fell down under Balaam: and Balaam's anger was kindled, and he smote the ass with a staff. 28And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times? 29And Balaam said unto the ass, Because thou hast mocked me: I would there were a sword in mine hand, for now would I kill thee. 30And the ass said unto Balaam, Am not I thine ass, upon which thou hast ridden ever since I was thine unto this day? was I ever wont to do so unto thee? And he said, Nay. 31Then the LORD opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and he bowed down his head, and fell flat on his face. 32And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Wherefore hast thou smitten thine ass these three times? behold, I went out to withstand thee, because thy way is perverse before me:
Did this actually happen, or is it more allegory?
I see no reason not to take it literally since it does not seem to conflict with the overall message of the Bible.
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Pahu;1503547 wrote: Not that I am aware of.
I see no reason not to take it literally since it does not seem to conflict with the overall message of the Bible.Talking donkeys then! Tell me, do all donkeys possess the ability to speak, or was it only this one? I'm under the impression that the difference in the structure of the throat enables humans to form sounds that make words.
I see no reason not to take it literally since it does not seem to conflict with the overall message of the Bible.Talking donkeys then! Tell me, do all donkeys possess the ability to speak, or was it only this one? I'm under the impression that the difference in the structure of the throat enables humans to form sounds that make words.
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Pahu;1503547 wrote: Not that I am aware of.No?
1 Corinthians1:27 wrote: But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; Genesis 11:7 wrote: Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other."
1 Corinthians1:27 wrote: But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; Genesis 11:7 wrote: Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other."
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Ahso!;1503548 wrote: Talking donkeys then! Tell me, do all donkeys possess the ability to speak, or was it only this one? I'm under the impression that the difference in the structure of the throat enables humans to form sounds that make words.
God is able to make donkeys talk.
God is able to make donkeys talk.
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Pahu;1503553 wrote: God is able to make donkeys talk.I'm not surprised to see you believe that. So can Walt Disney, BTW. What do you think happened, did the donkey twist and gargle and moan as God restructured its throat just before having it speak? Or did God make that particular Donkey that way as it was forming in the womb? And if that's the case, surely it would have muttered as word or two before this incident?
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Pahu;1503528 wrote: I believe that when man first appeared on earth, he appeared in five different places as the five races. In Genesis 1:26,27 we learn:
“And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.
The word “man in this passage comes from the Hebrew word “adam, and means a human being, an individual or mankind. I believe the context here calls for the translation “mankind.
Also, up to this point He said, “Let there be light...a firmament...let the earth bring forth grass...the fruit tree¦ etc. But when He created mankind He said “Let Us make man in Our image¦ God seems to be saying here that mankind is totally different from the rest of His creation.So God ("Let Us make...") in making man in his likeness created five different races? I see nothing in the Genesis reference you provide to even suggest a smidgen of proof of that. But what you're claiming is that God(s) (They as in Us) is actually five different races? I thought you said there was three of them, not five.
Why in the world would God (the three or five of them) even have an assigned race, and why would God create different races anyway?
“And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.
The word “man in this passage comes from the Hebrew word “adam, and means a human being, an individual or mankind. I believe the context here calls for the translation “mankind.
Also, up to this point He said, “Let there be light...a firmament...let the earth bring forth grass...the fruit tree¦ etc. But when He created mankind He said “Let Us make man in Our image¦ God seems to be saying here that mankind is totally different from the rest of His creation.So God ("Let Us make...") in making man in his likeness created five different races? I see nothing in the Genesis reference you provide to even suggest a smidgen of proof of that. But what you're claiming is that God(s) (They as in Us) is actually five different races? I thought you said there was three of them, not five.
Why in the world would God (the three or five of them) even have an assigned race, and why would God create different races anyway?
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Ahso!;1503554 wrote: I'm not surprised to see you believe that. So can Walt Disney, BTW. What do you think happened, did the donkey twist and gargle and moan as God restructured its throat just before having it speak? Or did God make that particular Donkey that way as it was forming in the womb? And if that's the case, surely it would have muttered as word or two before this incident?
You are never satisfied, are you? I suspect you just want to argue and are not really interested in information. Scripture does not give us details, but probably God or the angel spoke through the donkey.
You are never satisfied, are you? I suspect you just want to argue and are not really interested in information. Scripture does not give us details, but probably God or the angel spoke through the donkey.
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Pahu;1503585 wrote: You are never satisfied, are you? I suspect you just want to argue and are not really interested in information. Scripture does not give us details, but probably God or the angel spoke through the donkey.Not until it's sensible, no. What you call arguing, which probably comes from a put down you were shamed with as you grew, is actually questioning something in a critical sense. A concept foreign to you, probably due to the conditioning you received to, without question, believe whatever the authority figures in your life feed you.
In a certain way, I consider you and those like you, religious or not, lucky. Myths protect humans from the insanity of the truth about life. Most need to abide in myth for their own protection as well as the safety of others. And I'd leave you alone if you weren't making such a mockery of the reality of life with your ridiculous notions about what science is.
You do this because scientific discovery is where your particular myth ends, and you're deathly afraid of that. I understand.
You need to make sense of something nonsensical. You lack the ability to see clearly because you were robbed of your individuality. That's too bad! However, the good news is that it's never too late.
I don't expect this conversation to magically change you, but I do hope you'll remember it, and call upon it at some point in your life, if you're lucky enough to live long enough for that to occur.
Now back to the subject at hand: What is the purpose of God wanting to record a story such as the one of Balaam and the talking donkey? Why does God set Balaam up by making the angel visible only to the donkey and cause him to "smite" the animal? Is it to teach christians not to abuse animals because they might know something about God's will humans don't at any given time? What? Make sense of it for me. how does this story advance the notion of salvation and an afterlife with God?
In a certain way, I consider you and those like you, religious or not, lucky. Myths protect humans from the insanity of the truth about life. Most need to abide in myth for their own protection as well as the safety of others. And I'd leave you alone if you weren't making such a mockery of the reality of life with your ridiculous notions about what science is.
You do this because scientific discovery is where your particular myth ends, and you're deathly afraid of that. I understand.
You need to make sense of something nonsensical. You lack the ability to see clearly because you were robbed of your individuality. That's too bad! However, the good news is that it's never too late.
I don't expect this conversation to magically change you, but I do hope you'll remember it, and call upon it at some point in your life, if you're lucky enough to live long enough for that to occur.
Now back to the subject at hand: What is the purpose of God wanting to record a story such as the one of Balaam and the talking donkey? Why does God set Balaam up by making the angel visible only to the donkey and cause him to "smite" the animal? Is it to teach christians not to abuse animals because they might know something about God's will humans don't at any given time? What? Make sense of it for me. how does this story advance the notion of salvation and an afterlife with God?
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The narrator, how did he learn of this story? Was it Balaam that told him about it, or was it the donkey?
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Pahu;1503539 wrote: Notice I am directly quoting God. There is nothing to interpret.
I am not arbitrating anything. I am quoting God who is the ultimate arbiter.Well then, God appears to be an idiot.
No, you're quoting a book that you claim was written by men and inspired by a spirit you call God. Yet, you still have not explained how and why God, speaking through his vessels while in a sacred trance by way of prayer and worship got the wording so awfully convoluted.
I am not arbitrating anything. I am quoting God who is the ultimate arbiter.Well then, God appears to be an idiot.
No, you're quoting a book that you claim was written by men and inspired by a spirit you call God. Yet, you still have not explained how and why God, speaking through his vessels while in a sacred trance by way of prayer and worship got the wording so awfully convoluted.
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Ahso!;1503586 wrote: What is the purpose of God wanting to record a story such as the one of Balaam and the talking donkey? Why does God set Balaam up by making the angel visible only to the donkey and cause him to "smite" the animal? Is it to teach christians not to abuse animals because they might know something about God's will humans don't at any given time? What? Make sense of it for me. how does this story advance the notion of salvation and an afterlife with God?
Read the whole story from beginning to end starting with Numbers 22-31:16 to understand the context.
Read the whole story from beginning to end starting with Numbers 22-31:16 to understand the context.
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Pahu;1503590 wrote: Read the whole story from beginning to end starting with Numbers 22-31:16 to understand the context.Explain it to me because I obviously see it wrongly, having an allegorical interpretation.
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Let's see:
God making man in his own image creates five different races. Those five races cause tremendous pain and conflict within God's creation of the world. Does that mean that God has severe inner conflict? Is that the "image" of God God refers to?
God making man in his own image creates five different races. Those five races cause tremendous pain and conflict within God's creation of the world. Does that mean that God has severe inner conflict? Is that the "image" of God God refers to?
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We're told God created evil. It appears your God has serious personality issues from what you describe.
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Ahso!;1503593 wrote: Let's see:
God making man in his own image creates five different races. Those five races cause tremendous pain and conflict within God's creation of the world. Does that mean that God has severe inner conflict? Is that the "image" of God God refers to?
There is a difference between making mankind in God's image and creating physical bodies for him. I believe God's image includes mind, spirit and free will.
God making man in his own image creates five different races. Those five races cause tremendous pain and conflict within God's creation of the world. Does that mean that God has severe inner conflict? Is that the "image" of God God refers to?
There is a difference between making mankind in God's image and creating physical bodies for him. I believe God's image includes mind, spirit and free will.
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Pahu;1503595 wrote: There is a difference between making mankind in God's image and creating physical bodies for him. I believe God's image includes mind, spirit and free will.As i said, that's one hell of a mind God's got there. Pardon the pun.
But wouldn't mind and free will be a redundant? After all, it's takes a mind (brain) to exercise free will, doesn't it? And we see time and again whenever God's creatures try to exercise free will he put's road blocks in the way or stops it altogether. Tower of Babel as one example to confuse the species with different languages. Why not just prevent them from communicating if communication is much of a problem?
But wouldn't mind and free will be a redundant? After all, it's takes a mind (brain) to exercise free will, doesn't it? And we see time and again whenever God's creatures try to exercise free will he put's road blocks in the way or stops it altogether. Tower of Babel as one example to confuse the species with different languages. Why not just prevent them from communicating if communication is much of a problem?
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So, why the races?
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Looks as though God and you are a lot alike - you both appear to make it up as you go.
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Be the wave that I am and then
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Ahso!;1503598 wrote: As i said, that's one hell of a mind God's got there. Pardon the pun.
But wouldn't mind and free will be a redundant? After all, it's takes a mind (brain) to exercise free will, doesn't it? And we see time and again whenever God's creatures try to exercise free will he put's road blocks in the way or stops it altogether. Tower of Babel as one example to confuse the species with different languages. Why not just prevent them from communicating if communication is much of a problem?
In order to have companions God had to give mankind free will. In giving them free will He had to refrain from forcing His will on them. He could not create character in them without violating their free will and thus defeating the very purpose for their creation—companionship. They had to develop character through the things they experienced and the choices they made. He could not build in obedience without interfering with their free will. They had to be companions with Him because that was their choice. Forced companionship is not true companionship. He could not force them to love Him. He could not force them to want to obey Him. Love and obedience had to develop in each individual through experience with Him. He does not normally interfere with our free will.
Confusing their languages at the Tower of Babel was God's choice to prevent them from communicating.
But wouldn't mind and free will be a redundant? After all, it's takes a mind (brain) to exercise free will, doesn't it? And we see time and again whenever God's creatures try to exercise free will he put's road blocks in the way or stops it altogether. Tower of Babel as one example to confuse the species with different languages. Why not just prevent them from communicating if communication is much of a problem?
In order to have companions God had to give mankind free will. In giving them free will He had to refrain from forcing His will on them. He could not create character in them without violating their free will and thus defeating the very purpose for their creation—companionship. They had to develop character through the things they experienced and the choices they made. He could not build in obedience without interfering with their free will. They had to be companions with Him because that was their choice. Forced companionship is not true companionship. He could not force them to love Him. He could not force them to want to obey Him. Love and obedience had to develop in each individual through experience with Him. He does not normally interfere with our free will.
Confusing their languages at the Tower of Babel was God's choice to prevent them from communicating.
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Ahso!;1503599 wrote: So, why the races?
There is only one race, the human race. Today, the word “race has come to mean a group of people with distinguishing physical characteristics, such as skin color, shape of eyes, and type of hair. This new meaning arose with the growing acceptance of evolutionism in the late 1800s. The word “race, when referring to physical characteristics, hardly ever occurs in the Bible. Instead, the word “nation is used more than 200 times.
There is only one race, the human race. Today, the word “race has come to mean a group of people with distinguishing physical characteristics, such as skin color, shape of eyes, and type of hair. This new meaning arose with the growing acceptance of evolutionism in the late 1800s. The word “race, when referring to physical characteristics, hardly ever occurs in the Bible. Instead, the word “nation is used more than 200 times.
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Ahso!;1503600 wrote: Looks as though God and you are a lot alike - you both appear to make it up as you go.
In what way?
In what way?
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Pahu;1503605 wrote: In what way?For example: God say's "oops, they're communicating in a way we don't like so let's go down there and confuse them with language" (btw, you never did address that one). You mean to tell me you hadn't thought of that? That's making it up as you go.
As for you: you got caught flat footed over at Secular Cafe the first time I asked you about the flat earth quote. Afterwards you went and updated your website to record the copy/paste answer you provided to me here. You make it up as you go. You know it, and everyone who reads your posts knows it. Why deny it? You're in denial about a whole lot of stuff.
As for you: you got caught flat footed over at Secular Cafe the first time I asked you about the flat earth quote. Afterwards you went and updated your website to record the copy/paste answer you provided to me here. You make it up as you go. You know it, and everyone who reads your posts knows it. Why deny it? You're in denial about a whole lot of stuff.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Science Disproves Evolution
Pahu;1503604 wrote: There is only one race, the human race. Today, the word “race has come to mean a group of people with distinguishing physical characteristics, such as skin color, shape of eyes, and type of hair. This new meaning arose with the growing acceptance of evolutionism in the late 1800s. The word “race, when referring to physical characteristics, hardly ever occurs in the Bible. Instead, the word “nation is used more than 200 times.It was you who used the term "Races" first.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
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Just listened to a book on disc titled "Connected". Several sociologists points out that the idea of "race" is a myth. Genetically we are all the same with out minor variations.
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Ted;1503618 wrote: Just listened to a book on disc titles "Connected". Several sociologists points out that the idea of "race" is a myth. Genetically we are all the same with out minor variations.I agree - race is a myth. We're a species with quite a bit of variation. There are no two exact anything within the species, including identical twins.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Science Disproves Evolution
"The Bible disproves God". That is a joke since most folks don't know how to read and interpret it. Those who are really interested should take some courses and learn a bit about the Biblde before criticizing it. You might also read the Qur'ann
dn, the Buddhist writings, Confucius, and the other sacred writings from around the world. My biggest problem with the Bible is the book of "Revelation" It is the most blood thirsty of all the sacred writings af all the great faiths (Dom Crossan).
dn, the Buddhist writings, Confucius, and the other sacred writings from around the world. My biggest problem with the Bible is the book of "Revelation" It is the most blood thirsty of all the sacred writings af all the great faiths (Dom Crossan).
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Okay. How about this: The Bible Proves God Is An Idiot
ETA: I'm surprised idiot hasn't been censored here yet.
ETA: I'm surprised idiot hasn't been censored here yet.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
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You are definitely free to express your opinion.
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If you assert that one needs to take special lessons on how to read a particular book, there's something screwy there.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
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Ahso!;1503625 wrote: If you assert that one needs to take special lessons on how to read a particular book, there's something screwy there.A book, mind you, that was meant to be read by people who's highest education back when it was written was about on par with today's ninth grader. And that might be generous on my part.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Science Disproves Evolution
Like any ancient presentation there are special ways to read and interpret the Bible. Try reading " Boewolf". Yes the ancients lacked our fund of knowledge but they tried as best they could to address issues of the day. The Bible contains a great deal of ancient wisdom that still pertinent today and long into the future if you understand the style in which it is written. They were far from stupid people. If one chooses not to dod the work that is ok with me. I did my work studying both ancient Hebrew and New testament Greek. In addition several courses at university. One thing I did learn was how little the human race really knows. Why do we keep making the same mistakes over and over going back even 10000 years.
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Ted;1503629 wrote: The Bible contains a great deal of ancient wisdom that still pertinent today and long into the future if you understand the style in which it is written. I'd be quite interested if you'd share some of those nuggets of wisdom contained in the Christian bible with me. There is no ancient wisdom (whatever that means) that is still pertinent today that would not have been achieved, indeed, was not achieved elsewhere, without the Christian bible. In fact, the rest of the world was getting along just fine without it, and had, I'll remind you, long before its existence.
If you'd like to make the argument that Judaism/Christianity, and religion in general, was helpful to the species for survival purposes, go for it. That is a very debatable issue.
Ted;1503629 wrote: They were far from stupid people.I didn't say they were stupid for their time. What I said is that education and knowledge is far superior today than it was then. And therefore ancient wisdom is about as irrelevant as it possibly could be for this day and age. It's that sort of spirit of ancient wisdom and absence of pragmatism that has us teetering on WW3 (not you, Wonder Wendy 3).
If you'd like to make the argument that Judaism/Christianity, and religion in general, was helpful to the species for survival purposes, go for it. That is a very debatable issue.
Ted;1503629 wrote: They were far from stupid people.I didn't say they were stupid for their time. What I said is that education and knowledge is far superior today than it was then. And therefore ancient wisdom is about as irrelevant as it possibly could be for this day and age. It's that sort of spirit of ancient wisdom and absence of pragmatism that has us teetering on WW3 (not you, Wonder Wendy 3).
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Science Disproves Evolution
Ted;1503622 wrote: "The Bible disproves God". That is a joke since most folks don't know how to read and interpret it. Those who are really interested should take some courses and learn a bit about the Biblde before criticizing it. You might also read the Qur'ann
dn, the Buddhist writings, Confucius, and the other sacred writings from around the world. My biggest problem with the Bible is the book of "Revelation" It is the most blood thirsty of all the sacred writings af all the great faiths (Dom Crossan).
Check this out:
Bible Accuracy
1. Archaeology confirms the historical accuracy of the Bible:
Archaeology and the Bible
The Rocks Cry Out
In what ways have the discoveries of archaeology verified the reliability of the Bible? • ChristianAnswers.Net
Archaeology and the Bible • ChristianAnswers.Net
http://www.ucg.org/the-good-news/the-bi ... cal-record
2. The Bible is not a science book, yet is scientifically accurate:
Scientific Facts in The Bible
Eternal Productions - 101 Scientific Facts and Foreknowledge
Science and the Bible
3. The Bible is filled with hundreds of accurately fulfilled prophecies:
100prophecies.org
About Bible Prophecy
Bible Prophecies Fulfilled
Reasons To Believe : Fulfilled Prophecy: Evidence for the Reliability of the Bible
Bible Prophecy
No other book, religious or secular, comes close to meeting those requirements.
dn, the Buddhist writings, Confucius, and the other sacred writings from around the world. My biggest problem with the Bible is the book of "Revelation" It is the most blood thirsty of all the sacred writings af all the great faiths (Dom Crossan).
Check this out:
Bible Accuracy
1. Archaeology confirms the historical accuracy of the Bible:
Archaeology and the Bible
The Rocks Cry Out
In what ways have the discoveries of archaeology verified the reliability of the Bible? • ChristianAnswers.Net
Archaeology and the Bible • ChristianAnswers.Net
http://www.ucg.org/the-good-news/the-bi ... cal-record
2. The Bible is not a science book, yet is scientifically accurate:
Scientific Facts in The Bible
Eternal Productions - 101 Scientific Facts and Foreknowledge
Science and the Bible
3. The Bible is filled with hundreds of accurately fulfilled prophecies:
100prophecies.org
About Bible Prophecy
Bible Prophecies Fulfilled
Reasons To Believe : Fulfilled Prophecy: Evidence for the Reliability of the Bible
Bible Prophecy
No other book, religious or secular, comes close to meeting those requirements.
Truth Frees! Evolution is evidence free speculation masquerading as science.