What I can't fathom is how light the sentences were. You can get the same sort of sentence for burglary, where no-one is physically harmed. The chances are that they'll be out in a couple of years.
I don't know why we let them serve the sentences concurrently instead of sequentially. I know the British Legal System has the ability to do so, but it is rarely seen to be used. In this way, when they know they're going to get found Guilty, all they need do is to confess to all the other similar offences & wipe the slate of those at the same time, so that those ones won't be looming over their head for another subsequent trial if & when they were to come to light. It just promotes the "In For A Penny" & the "Might As Well Get The Most Out Of It - No More To Lose" attitudes. With such light sentences it's obvious they're going to see it as being worth the risk.
A 5 year sentence is nothing more than a token slap on the wrist.
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FourPart;1465628 wrote: What I can't fathom is how light the sentences were. You can get the same sort of sentence for burglary, where no-one is physically harmed. The chances are that they'll be out in a couple of years.
I don't know why we let them serve the sentences concurrently instead of sequentially. I know the British Legal System has the ability to do so, but it is rarely seen to be used. In this way, when they know they're going to get found Guilty, all they need do is to confess to all the other similar offences & wipe the slate of those at the same time, so that those ones won't be looming over their head for another subsequent trial if & when they were to come to light. It just promotes the "In For A Penny" & the "Might As Well Get The Most Out Of It - No More To Lose" attitudes. With such light sentences it's obvious they're going to see it as being worth the risk.
A 5 year sentence is nothing more than a token slap on the wrist.
I agree with you. I think what's being missed In these trials Is that the children were targeted, beaten and raped. If you did that In a manner not connected to this grooming scandal you'd be looking at the maximum term.
I think what also Is being overlooked, Is that with good behaviour, these men are going to back on the streets within a very few short years. What happens then ? There has already been one case of a teenager living In fear every day of her life because a man her evidence put away, Is out and living a few streets from her. At what point are authorities going to look to the future and prepare for this.?
I've even heard the Loony Left suggest the girl moves away... why the hell should she?
Sorry, only one answer... revoke British Citizenship and deport.
I don't know why we let them serve the sentences concurrently instead of sequentially. I know the British Legal System has the ability to do so, but it is rarely seen to be used. In this way, when they know they're going to get found Guilty, all they need do is to confess to all the other similar offences & wipe the slate of those at the same time, so that those ones won't be looming over their head for another subsequent trial if & when they were to come to light. It just promotes the "In For A Penny" & the "Might As Well Get The Most Out Of It - No More To Lose" attitudes. With such light sentences it's obvious they're going to see it as being worth the risk.
A 5 year sentence is nothing more than a token slap on the wrist.
I agree with you. I think what's being missed In these trials Is that the children were targeted, beaten and raped. If you did that In a manner not connected to this grooming scandal you'd be looking at the maximum term.
I think what also Is being overlooked, Is that with good behaviour, these men are going to back on the streets within a very few short years. What happens then ? There has already been one case of a teenager living In fear every day of her life because a man her evidence put away, Is out and living a few streets from her. At what point are authorities going to look to the future and prepare for this.?
I've even heard the Loony Left suggest the girl moves away... why the hell should she?
Sorry, only one answer... revoke British Citizenship and deport.
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Watch, listen and weep.
One of those suppressed reports was the BNP's Marlene Guest. Deal with It Fourpart.
One of those suppressed reports was the BNP's Marlene Guest. Deal with It Fourpart.
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Oscar Namechange;1465660 wrote: Watch, listen and weep.
One of those suppressed reports was the BNP's Marlene Guest. Deal with It Fourpart.
That's it - twist it to put it across as an anti BNP campaign. I don't see there is anything to deal with. I have never excused what has been happening. My only complaint is how the BNP have gone out of their way to cash in on it all.
The crimes have been committed. That in intolerable regardless of race or religion.
Cases were covered up. That, too, is intolerable.
However, the cases that were covered up included a wide variety of victims. How you can imply that it is personal sleight on the BNP is obnoxious & beneath even you.
As far as deportation is concerned - yes, to a degree, I agree with you. If they are actual immigrants, then certainly, although they should be made to serve their penalties here first before deporting them - otherwise we will get the reputation of being a country that will let anyone come over here, commit their crimes, secure in the knowledge that all they'll get is a free ticket home.
However, regardless of heritage, it has to be accepted that if someone is born in this country then they are still British & not eligible for deportation.
Furthermore, I emphasise that the same rules should apply across the board of foreign nationals - not restricted to race or religion. What's more, it plays both ways & any Brits who commit crimes abroad, we should stay totally out of the relevant country's own judicial system.
One of those suppressed reports was the BNP's Marlene Guest. Deal with It Fourpart.
That's it - twist it to put it across as an anti BNP campaign. I don't see there is anything to deal with. I have never excused what has been happening. My only complaint is how the BNP have gone out of their way to cash in on it all.
The crimes have been committed. That in intolerable regardless of race or religion.
Cases were covered up. That, too, is intolerable.
However, the cases that were covered up included a wide variety of victims. How you can imply that it is personal sleight on the BNP is obnoxious & beneath even you.
As far as deportation is concerned - yes, to a degree, I agree with you. If they are actual immigrants, then certainly, although they should be made to serve their penalties here first before deporting them - otherwise we will get the reputation of being a country that will let anyone come over here, commit their crimes, secure in the knowledge that all they'll get is a free ticket home.
However, regardless of heritage, it has to be accepted that if someone is born in this country then they are still British & not eligible for deportation.
Furthermore, I emphasise that the same rules should apply across the board of foreign nationals - not restricted to race or religion. What's more, it plays both ways & any Brits who commit crimes abroad, we should stay totally out of the relevant country's own judicial system.
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FourPart;1465665 wrote: That's it - twist it to put it across as an anti BNP campaign. I don't see there is anything to deal with. I have never excused what has been happening. My only complaint is how the BNP have gone out of their way to cash in on it all.
The crimes have been committed. That in intolerable regardless of race or religion.
Cases were covered up. That, too, is intolerable.
However, the cases that were covered up included a wide variety of victims. How you can imply that it is personal sleight on the BNP is obnoxious & beneath even you.
As far as deportation is concerned - yes, to a degree, I agree with you. If they are actual immigrants, then certainly, although they should be made to serve their penalties here first before deporting them - otherwise we will get the reputation of being a country that will let anyone come over here, commit their crimes, secure in the knowledge that all they'll get is a free ticket home.
However, regardless of heritage, it has to be accepted that if someone is born in this country then they are still British & not eligible for deportation.
Furthermore, I emphasise that the same rules should apply across the board of foreign nationals - not restricted to race or religion. What's more, it plays both ways & any Brits who commit crimes abroad, we should stay totally out of the relevant country's own judicial system.
Then I'll say It again... how can the BNP re-spin their own words from years ago ? As Professor Jay states In the video... reports were suppressed, one of which was Marlene's. I agree with Peter, I don't care If every member of the BNP stands out In the street with a placard stating ' Told you so' because we have a right to do that. We are not doing It because It doesn't help the victims.
It annoys the hell out of me when Brits get caught smuggling drugs Into say, Thailand that has a death penalty, then whines at the British Consulate to get them out of there.
The crimes have been committed. That in intolerable regardless of race or religion.
Cases were covered up. That, too, is intolerable.
However, the cases that were covered up included a wide variety of victims. How you can imply that it is personal sleight on the BNP is obnoxious & beneath even you.
As far as deportation is concerned - yes, to a degree, I agree with you. If they are actual immigrants, then certainly, although they should be made to serve their penalties here first before deporting them - otherwise we will get the reputation of being a country that will let anyone come over here, commit their crimes, secure in the knowledge that all they'll get is a free ticket home.
However, regardless of heritage, it has to be accepted that if someone is born in this country then they are still British & not eligible for deportation.
Furthermore, I emphasise that the same rules should apply across the board of foreign nationals - not restricted to race or religion. What's more, it plays both ways & any Brits who commit crimes abroad, we should stay totally out of the relevant country's own judicial system.
Then I'll say It again... how can the BNP re-spin their own words from years ago ? As Professor Jay states In the video... reports were suppressed, one of which was Marlene's. I agree with Peter, I don't care If every member of the BNP stands out In the street with a placard stating ' Told you so' because we have a right to do that. We are not doing It because It doesn't help the victims.
It annoys the hell out of me when Brits get caught smuggling drugs Into say, Thailand that has a death penalty, then whines at the British Consulate to get them out of there.
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You cannot deport British citizens or revoke their citizenship.
The BNP see this as a Muslim in OUR society problem.
Logically realists see it as a criminals in OUR society problem, the criminals happen to be of a different ethnicity and religion.
Not wanting to fall into the BNP of trap of blaming ourselves (white guilt) for not policing the ethnics properly, we must partially share some of the blame for pussyfooting around criminal activity, and for not having a police force capable of policing a minority group, the criminals have found a weakness and have exploited it, the criminals have been hiding behind the reserve of the British character, luckily that character has many facets, resilience being another.
The BNP see this as a Muslim in OUR society problem.
Logically realists see it as a criminals in OUR society problem, the criminals happen to be of a different ethnicity and religion.
Not wanting to fall into the BNP of trap of blaming ourselves (white guilt) for not policing the ethnics properly, we must partially share some of the blame for pussyfooting around criminal activity, and for not having a police force capable of policing a minority group, the criminals have found a weakness and have exploited it, the criminals have been hiding behind the reserve of the British character, luckily that character has many facets, resilience being another.
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That's almost sensible.
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I do agree, however, that if anyone comes to this country & breaks our laws, then they should pay the penalty & then be sent packing, whether or not they've been given British Citizenship. I see the British Citizenship as being a contract to abide by British laws. To break those laws is, therefore, a breach of contract, be they Indian, Pakistani, Polish, Chinese, French, German, or whatever. Natively born here, however, is a totally different matter.
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There's no denying it's a disgrace in itself, but I can sort of see what they mean about it being one of the more difficult things to prove, as it's more a case of one person's word against another's in the absence of hard evidence.
It also makes me wonder whether such crimes should be eligible for compensation or not.
This is not restricted to the Rochdale / Rotherham cases, but across the board - particularly with the Operation Yewtree type prosecutions. I've absolutely no doubt that there is a lot to answer for, but I also have my doubts about how many are suddenly making their (potentially fraudulent) claims due to the prospect of making a fast buck in compensation, rather than the goal of real Justice. Furthermore, with the prospect of financial gain removed from the equation, the witnesses would be far more credible.
It also makes me wonder whether such crimes should be eligible for compensation or not.
This is not restricted to the Rochdale / Rotherham cases, but across the board - particularly with the Operation Yewtree type prosecutions. I've absolutely no doubt that there is a lot to answer for, but I also have my doubts about how many are suddenly making their (potentially fraudulent) claims due to the prospect of making a fast buck in compensation, rather than the goal of real Justice. Furthermore, with the prospect of financial gain removed from the equation, the witnesses would be far more credible.
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FourPart;1466154 wrote: There's no denying it's a disgrace in itself, but I can sort of see what they mean about it being one of the more difficult things to prove, as it's more a case of one person's word against another's in the absence of hard evidence.
It also makes me wonder whether such crimes should be eligible for compensation or not.
This is not restricted to the Rochdale / Rotherham cases, but across the board - particularly with the Operation Yewtree type prosecutions. I've absolutely no doubt that there is a lot to answer for, but I also have my doubts about how many are suddenly making their (potentially fraudulent) claims due to the prospect of making a fast buck in compensation, rather than the goal of real Justice. Furthermore, with the prospect of financial gain removed from the equation, the witnesses would be far more credible.
Let me give you a parallel to that. Cllr Dawn Charlton has a Labour Cllr go to the police, make a formal complaint that she abused him In the street. She says she didn't. Her word against his. Although she was found not guilty by a court of law, there was still a police Investigation and a prosecution based on one man's say so.
In my case, 12 police statements from witness's nowhere said I was swearing at the time. One daft old bat claims from behind plate glass that she thought I was and I am charged.
In many of these grooming scandals, the victims very often give police or authorities the same name of the abuser time and time again. Different victims naming the same person.Yet nothing was done. When more than one child names and Identifies the same man... that Is hard evidence.
It also makes me wonder whether such crimes should be eligible for compensation or not.
This is not restricted to the Rochdale / Rotherham cases, but across the board - particularly with the Operation Yewtree type prosecutions. I've absolutely no doubt that there is a lot to answer for, but I also have my doubts about how many are suddenly making their (potentially fraudulent) claims due to the prospect of making a fast buck in compensation, rather than the goal of real Justice. Furthermore, with the prospect of financial gain removed from the equation, the witnesses would be far more credible.
Let me give you a parallel to that. Cllr Dawn Charlton has a Labour Cllr go to the police, make a formal complaint that she abused him In the street. She says she didn't. Her word against his. Although she was found not guilty by a court of law, there was still a police Investigation and a prosecution based on one man's say so.
In my case, 12 police statements from witness's nowhere said I was swearing at the time. One daft old bat claims from behind plate glass that she thought I was and I am charged.
In many of these grooming scandals, the victims very often give police or authorities the same name of the abuser time and time again. Different victims naming the same person.Yet nothing was done. When more than one child names and Identifies the same man... that Is hard evidence.
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Surely that is my point. When there is no hard evidence the verdict, quite rightly, defaults to Not Gulity (Innocent Until Proven Guilty). You have just stated that in Dawn's case she was found Not Guilty due to lack of evidence to the contrary, yet you also mention that you were convicted on unreliable testimony. The point being that testimony cannot be taken as hard evidence, as it is subjective & prone to manipulation. Certainly it can be valuable as supporting evidence, but there has to be something more concrete, otherwise you are more likely to allow the truly guilty go free on the element of doubt.
DNA / Photos / Video are the types of evidence that are really required to ensure a conviction.
Don't get me wrong - I'm not in any way trying to say that any of the witnessses are lying or not, as the case may be, but that certainty of conviction has to be pretty high, otherwise there is the risk of Double Indemnity. As it says in the article - if you can't get them for the bigger crimes that you'd like to get them for, get them for the smaller ones you know you can get them for - although the danger there, of course, is that they're then setting themselves up for a harassment claim.
DNA / Photos / Video are the types of evidence that are really required to ensure a conviction.
Don't get me wrong - I'm not in any way trying to say that any of the witnessses are lying or not, as the case may be, but that certainty of conviction has to be pretty high, otherwise there is the risk of Double Indemnity. As it says in the article - if you can't get them for the bigger crimes that you'd like to get them for, get them for the smaller ones you know you can get them for - although the danger there, of course, is that they're then setting themselves up for a harassment claim.
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FourPart;1466159 wrote: Surely that is my point. When there is no hard evidence the verdict, quite rightly, defaults to Not Gulity (Innocent Until Proven Guilty). You have just stated that in Dawn's case she was found Not Guilty due to lack of evidence to the contrary, yet you also mention that you were convicted on unreliable testimony. The point being that testimony cannot be taken as hard evidence, as it is subjective & prone to manipulation. Certainly it can be valuable as supporting evidence, but there has to be something more concrete, otherwise you are more likely to allow the truly guilty go free on the element of doubt.
DNA / Photos / Video are the types of evidence that are really required to ensure a conviction.
Don't get me wrong - I'm not in any way trying to say that any of the witnessses are lying or not, as the case may be, but that certainty of conviction has to be pretty high, otherwise there is the risk of Double Indemnity. As it says in the article - if you can't get them for the bigger crimes that you'd like to get them for, get them for the smaller ones you know you can get them for - although the danger there, of course, is that they're then setting themselves up for a harassment claim.
We are not talking about an adult making a malicious false allegation on another. When a child, remember, they are children, reaches out to the authorities and says she's being raped and can name names, pinpoint cars, locations, take aways etc etc Every normal human being would listen and act. That's what we are supposed to do as a country just In case, god forbid, there Is truth In It.
In some cases, the children offered police blood and semen stained underwear
No One Listened to Rotherham’s Sex Gang Whistleblower | VICE United Kingdom
DNA / Photos / Video are the types of evidence that are really required to ensure a conviction.
Don't get me wrong - I'm not in any way trying to say that any of the witnessses are lying or not, as the case may be, but that certainty of conviction has to be pretty high, otherwise there is the risk of Double Indemnity. As it says in the article - if you can't get them for the bigger crimes that you'd like to get them for, get them for the smaller ones you know you can get them for - although the danger there, of course, is that they're then setting themselves up for a harassment claim.
We are not talking about an adult making a malicious false allegation on another. When a child, remember, they are children, reaches out to the authorities and says she's being raped and can name names, pinpoint cars, locations, take aways etc etc Every normal human being would listen and act. That's what we are supposed to do as a country just In case, god forbid, there Is truth In It.
In some cases, the children offered police blood and semen stained underwear
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ITV News investigation finds hundreds of child abusers walking free in Manchester due to police failings - ITV News
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So long as there is hard evidence, then not only the guilty, but those responsible for not having taken action in the first place need to be held to account. Verbal accounts may not reliable, but video footage & original written communications are.
They are right about one thing, though, that with ever dwindling funding, their resources are becoming increasingly stretched & it is a sad fact that, regardless of the morals behind it, the average Joe Public will expect more of those limited resources to be devoted to the burglary of their own homes or to the theft of their own cars that to some anonymous alleged Grooming Gang.
They are right about one thing, though, that with ever dwindling funding, their resources are becoming increasingly stretched & it is a sad fact that, regardless of the morals behind it, the average Joe Public will expect more of those limited resources to be devoted to the burglary of their own homes or to the theft of their own cars that to some anonymous alleged Grooming Gang.
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FourPart;1466171 wrote: So long as there is hard evidence, then not only the guilty, but those responsible for not having taken action in the first place need to be held to account. Verbal accounts may not reliable, but video footage & original written communications are.
They are right about one thing, though, that with ever dwindling funding, their resources are becoming increasingly stretched & it is a sad fact that, regardless of the morals behind it, the average Joe Public will expect more of those limited resources to be devoted to the burglary of their own homes or to the theft of their own cars that to some anonymous alleged Grooming Gang.
You really don't seem to grasp the enormity of this. They are not anonymous alleged grooming gangs. Marlene Guest Is not the only person who has gathered detailed research over the years. The research contains detailed Interviews with parents and the victims. When girls In Plymouth are giving the same car registration numbers as girls In Manchester, that Is not anonymous. When victims take those researchers Into city and town centres late at night and point out cars of groomers parked up with groups of children around them, that Is not anonymous. In some towns and cities, the same cars and names kept coming up over and over again for several years.
When police go to a derelict house and find a 12 year old with several Asian men late at night, they arrest the girl for being drunk. No charges were ever brought because the men claimed she was totally compliant with having sex with all of them.
That Is a cover up. There are no other words to excuse that.
On one occasion, officers attended a derelict house and found an intoxicated girl with several adult men. They arrested the girl for being drunk and disorderly but detained none of the men. Some fathers tracked down their daughters and tried to remove them from houses where they were being abused, only to be arrested themselves.
Sexual exploitation: See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil | The Economist
They are right about one thing, though, that with ever dwindling funding, their resources are becoming increasingly stretched & it is a sad fact that, regardless of the morals behind it, the average Joe Public will expect more of those limited resources to be devoted to the burglary of their own homes or to the theft of their own cars that to some anonymous alleged Grooming Gang.
You really don't seem to grasp the enormity of this. They are not anonymous alleged grooming gangs. Marlene Guest Is not the only person who has gathered detailed research over the years. The research contains detailed Interviews with parents and the victims. When girls In Plymouth are giving the same car registration numbers as girls In Manchester, that Is not anonymous. When victims take those researchers Into city and town centres late at night and point out cars of groomers parked up with groups of children around them, that Is not anonymous. In some towns and cities, the same cars and names kept coming up over and over again for several years.
When police go to a derelict house and find a 12 year old with several Asian men late at night, they arrest the girl for being drunk. No charges were ever brought because the men claimed she was totally compliant with having sex with all of them.
That Is a cover up. There are no other words to excuse that.
On one occasion, officers attended a derelict house and found an intoxicated girl with several adult men. They arrested the girl for being drunk and disorderly but detained none of the men. Some fathers tracked down their daughters and tried to remove them from houses where they were being abused, only to be arrested themselves.
Sexual exploitation: See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil | The Economist
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Oscar Namechange;1466178 wrote: You really don't seem to grasp the enormity of this. They are not anonymous alleged grooming gangs. Marlene Guest Is not the only person who has gathered detailed research over the years. The research contains detailed Interviews with parents and the victims. When girls In Plymouth are giving the same car registration numbers as girls In Manchester, that Is not anonymous. When victims take those researchers Into city and town centres late at night and point out cars of groomers parked up with groups of children around them, that Is not anonymous. In some towns and cities, the same cars and names kept coming up over and over again for several years.
When police go to a derelict house and find a 12 year old with several Asian men late at night, they arrest the girl for being drunk. No charges were ever brought because the men claimed she was totally compliant with having sex with all of them.
That Is a cover up. There are no other words to excuse that.
On one occasion, officers attended a derelict house and found an intoxicated girl with several adult men. They arrested the girl for being drunk and disorderly but detained none of the men. Some fathers tracked down their daughters and tried to remove them from houses where they were being abused, only to be arrested themselves.
Sexual exploitation: See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil | The Economist
Of course I see the enormity of it. You just missed my point, which was at the selfishness of the British Public - on the same sort of attitude lines to NIMBYism, if you get what I mean. "My home is getting burgled & my car is getting stolen - and what are the police doing about it? Nothing - they're just pandering to some extremists".
Due to the massive cutbacks there's only so much the Police can handle.
Just think how many more hours they'd have to work on such cases if they didn't have to keep marshalling Right Wing Demos, keeping the opposing sides apart.
When police go to a derelict house and find a 12 year old with several Asian men late at night, they arrest the girl for being drunk. No charges were ever brought because the men claimed she was totally compliant with having sex with all of them.
That Is a cover up. There are no other words to excuse that.
On one occasion, officers attended a derelict house and found an intoxicated girl with several adult men. They arrested the girl for being drunk and disorderly but detained none of the men. Some fathers tracked down their daughters and tried to remove them from houses where they were being abused, only to be arrested themselves.
Sexual exploitation: See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil | The Economist
Of course I see the enormity of it. You just missed my point, which was at the selfishness of the British Public - on the same sort of attitude lines to NIMBYism, if you get what I mean. "My home is getting burgled & my car is getting stolen - and what are the police doing about it? Nothing - they're just pandering to some extremists".
Due to the massive cutbacks there's only so much the Police can handle.
Just think how many more hours they'd have to work on such cases if they didn't have to keep marshalling Right Wing Demos, keeping the opposing sides apart.
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FourPart;1466186 wrote: Of course I see the enormity of it. You just missed my point, which was at the selfishness of the British Public - on the same sort of attitude lines to NIMBYism, if you get what I mean. "My home is getting burgled & my car is getting stolen - and what are the police doing about it? Nothing - they're just pandering to some extremists".
Due to the massive cutbacks there's only so much the Police can handle.
Just think how many more hours they'd have to work on such cases if they didn't have to keep marshalling Right Wing Demos, keeping the opposing sides apart.
You make It up as you go along !!
So now you're saying that one, the selfishness of British people more Interested In their burglaries and two, police marshalling Far Right Demo's stopped a full Investigation Into child grooming In the UK ?
First of all... have you actually been burgled lately ? I had my garage broken Into recently along with others. No fingerprints, no Investigation but a PCSO handing out crime log numbers for Insurance claims.
When was the last time you called the police out? Do you actually know and understand that when you call the police, the operator grades your crime. A, B or C.... Class C crime ie minor break In's and vandalism has a response time of approx one hour... If you're lucky. Most burglaries don't see a copper for four days, If they see one at all.
Essex Police Take Six Days Responding to 999 Call for burglaryExposed Police
The child grooming has reached pandemic proportions In this country due to cover up's by the authorities and the general attitude that the children were of low worth.
While the police are Kettling the Far Right Demos', just how many police do you think are tied up, cleaning up city centres at night from clubbers binge drinking, stopping fans killing themselves at football matches, and watching hate preachers and their followers ?
Due to the massive cutbacks there's only so much the Police can handle.
Just think how many more hours they'd have to work on such cases if they didn't have to keep marshalling Right Wing Demos, keeping the opposing sides apart.
You make It up as you go along !!
So now you're saying that one, the selfishness of British people more Interested In their burglaries and two, police marshalling Far Right Demo's stopped a full Investigation Into child grooming In the UK ?
First of all... have you actually been burgled lately ? I had my garage broken Into recently along with others. No fingerprints, no Investigation but a PCSO handing out crime log numbers for Insurance claims.
When was the last time you called the police out? Do you actually know and understand that when you call the police, the operator grades your crime. A, B or C.... Class C crime ie minor break In's and vandalism has a response time of approx one hour... If you're lucky. Most burglaries don't see a copper for four days, If they see one at all.
Essex Police Take Six Days Responding to 999 Call for burglaryExposed Police
The child grooming has reached pandemic proportions In this country due to cover up's by the authorities and the general attitude that the children were of low worth.
While the police are Kettling the Far Right Demos', just how many police do you think are tied up, cleaning up city centres at night from clubbers binge drinking, stopping fans killing themselves at football matches, and watching hate preachers and their followers ?
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Yes, I have been burgled, and for months afterwards it leaves you insecure, as if you have been personally abused & end up blaming yourself.
Remember only back in March Da Beasty was stolen & was recovered by the Police by way of DNA evidence on the wires.
Previous to that the Beast Senior also got stolen & written off. I wasn't even aware it had been so until they phoned me to tell me it had been recovered.
So now you're saying that one, the selfishness of British people more Interested In their burglaries and two, police marshalling Far Right Demo's stopped a full Investigation Into child grooming In the UK ?
I may not be be too accurate in my counting, but I believe that there's more than 2 Police Officers present in this typical shot.
BBC News - Rotherham protest: Traders call for demonstration ban
Remember only back in March Da Beasty was stolen & was recovered by the Police by way of DNA evidence on the wires.
Previous to that the Beast Senior also got stolen & written off. I wasn't even aware it had been so until they phoned me to tell me it had been recovered.
So now you're saying that one, the selfishness of British people more Interested In their burglaries and two, police marshalling Far Right Demo's stopped a full Investigation Into child grooming In the UK ?
I may not be be too accurate in my counting, but I believe that there's more than 2 Police Officers present in this typical shot.
BBC News - Rotherham protest: Traders call for demonstration ban
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FourPart;1466244 wrote: Yes, I have been burgled, and for months afterwards it leaves you insecure, as if you have been personally abused & end up blaming yourself.
Remember only back in March Da Beasty was stolen & was recovered by the Police by way of DNA evidence on the wires.
Previous to that the Beast Senior also got stolen & written off. I wasn't even aware it had been so until they phoned me to tell me it had been recovered.
I may not be be too accurate in my counting, but I believe that there's more than 2 Police Officers present in this typical shot.
BBC News - Rotherham protest: Traders call for demonstration ban
How can you possibly equate demo's In Rotherham to the scandal of 1.400 children being raped. ? The demo's post scandal are the reaction, not the cause.
Do you have any Idea of how many police officers are Involved In Demo's every day ? G8 Summit demo's, Muslim Demo's ( there was a small one 5 miles from me only a few weeks ago), demo's on environmental Issue's such as Fracking, animal rights demo's, Gay and Lesbian Pride demo's, demo's against Tesco, etc etc etc.... It's not just Rotherham or the Far Right you know.
ITV News reveals how police ignored teenage victim's written account of sexual abuse - ITV News
Remember only back in March Da Beasty was stolen & was recovered by the Police by way of DNA evidence on the wires.
Previous to that the Beast Senior also got stolen & written off. I wasn't even aware it had been so until they phoned me to tell me it had been recovered.
I may not be be too accurate in my counting, but I believe that there's more than 2 Police Officers present in this typical shot.
BBC News - Rotherham protest: Traders call for demonstration ban
How can you possibly equate demo's In Rotherham to the scandal of 1.400 children being raped. ? The demo's post scandal are the reaction, not the cause.
Do you have any Idea of how many police officers are Involved In Demo's every day ? G8 Summit demo's, Muslim Demo's ( there was a small one 5 miles from me only a few weeks ago), demo's on environmental Issue's such as Fracking, animal rights demo's, Gay and Lesbian Pride demo's, demo's against Tesco, etc etc etc.... It's not just Rotherham or the Far Right you know.
ITV News reveals how police ignored teenage victim's written account of sexual abuse - ITV News
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Another day, another city, another cover up.
West Midlands Police report reveals 75 per cent of known on-street child sex groomers are Asian - Birmingham Mail
West Midlands Police report reveals 75 per cent of known on-street child sex groomers are Asian - Birmingham Mail
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Oscar Namechange;1466295 wrote: Another day, another city, another cover up.
West Midlands Police report reveals 75 per cent of known on-street child sex groomers are Asian - Birmingham Mail
Hardly surprising - 75% of the population of Birmingham are probably Asian - or getting on that way.
West Midlands Police report reveals 75 per cent of known on-street child sex groomers are Asian - Birmingham Mail
Hardly surprising - 75% of the population of Birmingham are probably Asian - or getting on that way.
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FourPart;1466308 wrote: Hardly surprising - 75% of the population of Birmingham are probably Asian - or getting on that way.
Asian here Is not the Issue... It's the fact that again they knew about It and didn't act.
Today's news
There will be "many more" Rotherham-style child sex abuse cases uncovered in the coming months, a leading police officer has said.
Sex crimes involving children have for “too long been a hidden crime, Norfolk Police Chief Constable Simon Bailey told the Guardian, as he suggested the Rotherham abuse scandal was the tip of the iceberg.
Police chief warns of more Rotherham-style abuse cases - ITV News
Asian here Is not the Issue... It's the fact that again they knew about It and didn't act.
Today's news
There will be "many more" Rotherham-style child sex abuse cases uncovered in the coming months, a leading police officer has said.
Sex crimes involving children have for “too long been a hidden crime, Norfolk Police Chief Constable Simon Bailey told the Guardian, as he suggested the Rotherham abuse scandal was the tip of the iceberg.
Police chief warns of more Rotherham-style abuse cases - ITV News
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Once again, it's a Daily Mail story, and therefore, as far as I'm concerned, to be discounted as being, at best, part truth.
This is another story where I have done extensive Googling on & have found practically every link to be those of the Mail, the Birmingham Mail, or Right Wing Racist organisation, with copies of the same Mail story. Nothing of an Independant nature.
It refers to a "Confidential Report Released By West Midlands Police". Surely that is a contradiction in terms (Confidential / Released)?
I have no doubt that there is some element of truth behind the story, but the fact remains that without independant affirmation from other sources, unrelated to the Daily Mail or other sources with their own agendas, for the most part they have to be discounted.
Give a BBC report, or Reuters even, and it would have more credibility.
This is another story where I have done extensive Googling on & have found practically every link to be those of the Mail, the Birmingham Mail, or Right Wing Racist organisation, with copies of the same Mail story. Nothing of an Independant nature.
It refers to a "Confidential Report Released By West Midlands Police". Surely that is a contradiction in terms (Confidential / Released)?
I have no doubt that there is some element of truth behind the story, but the fact remains that without independant affirmation from other sources, unrelated to the Daily Mail or other sources with their own agendas, for the most part they have to be discounted.
Give a BBC report, or Reuters even, and it would have more credibility.
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Rotherham child abuse scandal: Missing files 'fuel public suspicion of a deliberate cover-up’, say MPs - Crime - UK - The Independent
Rotherham child abuse scandal: Missing files 'fuel public suspicion of a deliberate cover-up’, say MPs - Crime - UK - The Independent
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Oscar Namechange;1466384 wrote: Todays New from The Independant
Rotherham child abuse scandal: Missing files 'fuel public suspicion of a deliberate cover-up’, say MPs - Crime - UK - The Independent
Now that is a link that I can accept as having credibility. It states the facts & leaves the reader to form their own opinion.
Of course, the fact that these crimes happened is totally unacceptable & there has to be an order of priority for actions that must now be followed.
1. To stop it from continuing (a no-brainer really).
2. To bring the guilty to justice (also a no-brainer).
3. To investigate how & why previous action wasn't taken.
4. To make those responsible anwerable for their actions.
5. To ensure such things don't happen again - such as introducing the Power of Recall, so that those in Higher Positions can be sacked for incompetence, rather than having them placed above the disciplinary protocols that anyone else would be subject to.
Rotherham child abuse scandal: Missing files 'fuel public suspicion of a deliberate cover-up’, say MPs - Crime - UK - The Independent
Now that is a link that I can accept as having credibility. It states the facts & leaves the reader to form their own opinion.
Of course, the fact that these crimes happened is totally unacceptable & there has to be an order of priority for actions that must now be followed.
1. To stop it from continuing (a no-brainer really).
2. To bring the guilty to justice (also a no-brainer).
3. To investigate how & why previous action wasn't taken.
4. To make those responsible anwerable for their actions.
5. To ensure such things don't happen again - such as introducing the Power of Recall, so that those in Higher Positions can be sacked for incompetence, rather than having them placed above the disciplinary protocols that anyone else would be subject to.
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Police officer took bribes from grooming gang, claims charity | The Times
Police officer took bribes from grooming gang, claims charity | The Times
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Today's news
BBC News - Abuse-risk children 'let down by Sheffield police'
BBC News - Abuse-risk children 'let down by Sheffield police'
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Ten men In Birmingham have been barred by the courts of having any contact with underage girls In a further grooming scandal.
BBC News - Men in Birmingham 'exploitation' order named
However, West Midlands police argued In court that naming the men could put them In harms way. What about the harm to the children ?
Well done to the Judge who Ignored the nonsence from the police and named and shamed them. More of this may see them think twice.
BBC News - Men in Birmingham 'exploitation' order named
However, West Midlands police argued In court that naming the men could put them In harms way. What about the harm to the children ?
Well done to the Judge who Ignored the nonsence from the police and named and shamed them. More of this may see them think twice.
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What I found disgusting was the filinmg of him walking out of court giving the finger to the camera. Not so much the giving the finger, but the fact that he was allowed to walk out of court in the first place. The problem is, though, as the report says, not enough evidence to proceed with a Criminal Action.
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FourPart;1468008 wrote: What I found disgusting was the filinmg of him walking out of court giving the finger to the camera. Not so much the giving the finger, but the fact that he was allowed to walk out of court in the first place. The problem is, though, as the report says, not enough evidence to proceed with a Criminal Action.
Agreed... Only the guilty give the finger. If you're not guilty, you leave with dignity.
Now they're whining to the tabloids that their lives are In danger having been named... Then stay away from little girls... It's not rocket science
Agreed... Only the guilty give the finger. If you're not guilty, you leave with dignity.
Now they're whining to the tabloids that their lives are In danger having been named... Then stay away from little girls... It's not rocket science
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So the BNP really want to bring back vigilante justice........save enough money on the justice system to pay all those repatriations ?
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Bruv;1468011 wrote: So the BNP really want to bring back vigilante justice........save enough money on the justice system to pay all those repatriations ?
Can you refrain from trying to make something out of nothing In order to smear the BNP who YOU throw In at any chance you get?
Tell you what... when your Labour Party stop covering up this child rape pandemic across the country, then you get to critisize my Party.
Is there something wrong with you ? The courts named the guilty, not me, not the BNP, not old Tom Finn who lives down the lane... the Courts.
Now you can jog on to another thread to whine about the BNP coming Into the conversation... got your number... you drop them In and then protest .
Can you refrain from trying to make something out of nothing In order to smear the BNP who YOU throw In at any chance you get?
Tell you what... when your Labour Party stop covering up this child rape pandemic across the country, then you get to critisize my Party.
Is there something wrong with you ? The courts named the guilty, not me, not the BNP, not old Tom Finn who lives down the lane... the Courts.
Now you can jog on to another thread to whine about the BNP coming Into the conversation... got your number... you drop them In and then protest .
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I don't really need to smear them......do I ?
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Bruv;1468016 wrote: I don't really need to smear them......do I ?
:yh_loser:
Keep voting Labour
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Keep voting Labour
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Oscar Namechange;1468018 wrote: :yh_loser:
Keep voting Labour
Now that would be foolish in a Tory stronghold wouldn't it ?
Keep voting Labour
Now that would be foolish in a Tory stronghold wouldn't it ?
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You must admit, Oscar, that although I am a keen Labour supporter, I do occasionally agree with a few BNP points (although as Paul Daniels might say, "Not A Lot"). But then, all parties have some good & some bad points.
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Seven more today
Seven charged with child sexual exploitation | Granada - ITV News
Seven charged with child sexual exploitation | Granada - ITV News
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Bruv;1468387 wrote: Ain't our Police marvelous ? How churlish to be so flippant.
Tonight on my local news, a Somalian spokesmoron stated " This Is not a Somalian problem, this Is a Bristol problem". Then she whined on about how she hoped there would be no backlash.
Two things about the Somalian gang jailed today for gang rape, human trafficking and grooming.
Three Somalian men booked Into a Premier Inn with a white 13 year old late at night. The court was shown the photograph of them checking In at the desk... and the receptionist didn't raise the alarm why ?????
Stapleton Road In Easton, Bristol is statistically, crime wise, one of the most dangerous streets In the UK. But what did social services do ? They put a 16 year old girl, fresh out of care, Into a bedsit alone In the middle of that street...
IT'S Britain's most dangerous street - a moral cesspit where the pavements are heaving with killers, junkies, hookers and their pimps.
Bristol's Stapleton Road - known locally as Crackhead Alley - is a lawless hellhole infested by ferociously violent criminals and the lowest dregs of society.
A section of the street, stretching no longer than a football pitch, has suffered...
THREE murders in two months on adjoining roads.
NEARLY ONE THOUSAND crimes in SEVEN months.
FOUR muggings, stabbings, burglaries or thefts EVERY DAY.
DRUG dealers and HOOKERS touting for trade every 100 yards.
Meanwhile the street's decent law-abiding residents cower behind their doors in fear, struggling to raise kids amid burnt buildings, smashed windows and pavements strewn with syringes and used condoms.
PEOPLE INVESTIGATION: JUNKIE ST - Mirror Online
Still... carry on flippant Bruv
Tonight on my local news, a Somalian spokesmoron stated " This Is not a Somalian problem, this Is a Bristol problem". Then she whined on about how she hoped there would be no backlash.
Two things about the Somalian gang jailed today for gang rape, human trafficking and grooming.
Three Somalian men booked Into a Premier Inn with a white 13 year old late at night. The court was shown the photograph of them checking In at the desk... and the receptionist didn't raise the alarm why ?????
Stapleton Road In Easton, Bristol is statistically, crime wise, one of the most dangerous streets In the UK. But what did social services do ? They put a 16 year old girl, fresh out of care, Into a bedsit alone In the middle of that street...
IT'S Britain's most dangerous street - a moral cesspit where the pavements are heaving with killers, junkies, hookers and their pimps.
Bristol's Stapleton Road - known locally as Crackhead Alley - is a lawless hellhole infested by ferociously violent criminals and the lowest dregs of society.
A section of the street, stretching no longer than a football pitch, has suffered...
THREE murders in two months on adjoining roads.
NEARLY ONE THOUSAND crimes in SEVEN months.
FOUR muggings, stabbings, burglaries or thefts EVERY DAY.
DRUG dealers and HOOKERS touting for trade every 100 yards.
Meanwhile the street's decent law-abiding residents cower behind their doors in fear, struggling to raise kids amid burnt buildings, smashed windows and pavements strewn with syringes and used condoms.
PEOPLE INVESTIGATION: JUNKIE ST - Mirror Online
Still... carry on flippant Bruv
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How does anyone know what tack you are on ?...........Rapists......foreign rapists........foreign Muslim rapists getting sentenced.........so the police did a good job.
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Bruv;1468390 wrote: How does anyone know what tack you are on ?...........Rapists......foreign rapists........foreign Muslim rapists getting sentenced.........so the police did a good job.
Complain when police do nothing. Complain when police do something. Hedging her bets. She's bound to get it right on one of them.
Complain when police do nothing. Complain when police do something. Hedging her bets. She's bound to get it right on one of them.
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FourPart;1468391 wrote: Complain when police do nothing. Complain when police do something. Hedging her bets. She's bound to get it right on one of them. You should read my posts more carefully.. I critisized the hotel receptionist and social services... where did I mention the police.?
Oh and just for the record Fourpart... this Is me chairing a meeting with local police recently. To my right, the police Inspector. Guy with white hair Is the Labour Concillor and front row to the left, Is Conservative Councillor. We all work together,
See Fourpart... some of us don't just talk about It.... some of us do something.
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Oh and just for the record Fourpart... this Is me chairing a meeting with local police recently. To my right, the police Inspector. Guy with white hair Is the Labour Concillor and front row to the left, Is Conservative Councillor. We all work together,
See Fourpart... some of us don't just talk about It.... some of us do something.
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You are constantly slagging down the police when they don't conform to your agenda, yet jumping to their defence when it goes in your favour. It's not just a single thing - it's ongoing. You can't have it both ways.
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FourPart;1468395 wrote: You are constantly slagging down the police when they don't conform to your agenda, yet jumping to their defence when it goes in your favour. It's not just a single thing - it's ongoing. You can't have it both ways.
Police are exactly the same as people... always one rotten apple.. Yet because one critisizes the police for ballsing up on some cases, It's not to say, all police are like It. Officers get judged on their merits. Ignoring reports from parents that their children were being raped In Rotherham, the, yes, sack the bloody lot of them.
I don't like Parsnips but I don't avoid all vegetables because of It.
Police are exactly the same as people... always one rotten apple.. Yet because one critisizes the police for ballsing up on some cases, It's not to say, all police are like It. Officers get judged on their merits. Ignoring reports from parents that their children were being raped In Rotherham, the, yes, sack the bloody lot of them.
I don't like Parsnips but I don't avoid all vegetables because of It.
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Right... Baton down the hatches... Oscar rant coming.
Following the conviction of 13 Somali men In Bristol, my city, for child rape and human trafficking, Anira Khokhar a spokesperson for the Somali Community came on local news and stated " This Is not a Somali problem but a Bristol problem. "
The outrage on various sites from Nationalist factions was within minutes... I predicted a massive backfire on her words and It has. Why don't these Idiots think more carefully before they jump to the defence of ethnicity ?
First of all, let's remind ourselves that the convicted men's plea In court to save themselves was ' It's In our religion and the culture of Somalia '
Now she's made It worse by telling The Bristol Evening Post:
'“The reporting of the verdict has always been very biased, focusing on the ethnicity of these men, rather than the crime. This was also the case with the Rotherham verdicts.
“What needs to be made clear is that this crime has nothing to do with race or religion; it’s merely about a mind-set that these perpetrators have. They focus their attention and play on the vulnerabilities of their victims, something that has been consistent with all sexual exploitation cases.
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Well no dear,
When 13 members of your community plead In court that raping children and selling them to their contacts as prostitutes Is actually their religion and culture, It has everything to do with ethnicity because hey, guess what? It's not our religion or culture. When an Independent report shows 96 % of the child groomers were men of Pakistani origin, then It has everything to do with culture... even our moronic politicians are now admitting that.
The difference here Is that when the British have one of their own rape and kill children such as Ian Huntly, Ian Brady etc etc , we Immediately call for them to be strung up.
What causes racial conflict In this country Is morons like this woman who will defend, defend, defend and protect and In the process Insult the people of their host country... but then, no doubt I'm racist for saying that.
Well, The EDL and the ex EDL are now coming down your road Anira Khokhar ... No doubt Bristol's finest boys In blue will kettle them but all the same, I Imagine It will be pretty frightening for your area and community. Yet, let's be clear here... no protest was planned until you opened your mouth.
What with me being a lady and not wishing to Indulge myself In such goings on, I've taken another route... I have challenged BBC Radio Bristol to get her on a slot with me...I'm waiting on a reply.
Following the conviction of 13 Somali men In Bristol, my city, for child rape and human trafficking, Anira Khokhar a spokesperson for the Somali Community came on local news and stated " This Is not a Somali problem but a Bristol problem. "
The outrage on various sites from Nationalist factions was within minutes... I predicted a massive backfire on her words and It has. Why don't these Idiots think more carefully before they jump to the defence of ethnicity ?
First of all, let's remind ourselves that the convicted men's plea In court to save themselves was ' It's In our religion and the culture of Somalia '
Now she's made It worse by telling The Bristol Evening Post:
'“The reporting of the verdict has always been very biased, focusing on the ethnicity of these men, rather than the crime. This was also the case with the Rotherham verdicts.
“What needs to be made clear is that this crime has nothing to do with race or religion; it’s merely about a mind-set that these perpetrators have. They focus their attention and play on the vulnerabilities of their victims, something that has been consistent with all sexual exploitation cases.
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Well no dear,
When 13 members of your community plead In court that raping children and selling them to their contacts as prostitutes Is actually their religion and culture, It has everything to do with ethnicity because hey, guess what? It's not our religion or culture. When an Independent report shows 96 % of the child groomers were men of Pakistani origin, then It has everything to do with culture... even our moronic politicians are now admitting that.
The difference here Is that when the British have one of their own rape and kill children such as Ian Huntly, Ian Brady etc etc , we Immediately call for them to be strung up.
What causes racial conflict In this country Is morons like this woman who will defend, defend, defend and protect and In the process Insult the people of their host country... but then, no doubt I'm racist for saying that.
Well, The EDL and the ex EDL are now coming down your road Anira Khokhar ... No doubt Bristol's finest boys In blue will kettle them but all the same, I Imagine It will be pretty frightening for your area and community. Yet, let's be clear here... no protest was planned until you opened your mouth.
What with me being a lady and not wishing to Indulge myself In such goings on, I've taken another route... I have challenged BBC Radio Bristol to get her on a slot with me...I'm waiting on a reply.
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Oscar Namechange;1468813 wrote: The outrage on various sites from Nationalist factions was within minutes... I predicted a massive backfire on her words and It has. Why don't these Idiots think more carefully before they jump to the defence of ethnicity ?
Pretty much a foregone conclusion from Nationalist factions when race is concerned.
First of all, let's remind ourselves that the convicted men's plea In court to save themselves was ' It's In our religion and the culture of Somalia '
Just where are the official records to this effect (and by 'official' I don't mean Daily Mail reports or articles on the BNP website)?
Now she's made It worse by telling The Bristol Evening Post:
'“The reporting of the verdict has always been very biased, focusing on the ethnicity of these men, rather than the crime. This was also the case with the Rotherham verdicts.
Isn't that what you've been campaigning for - to make the verdists biased based on their race & religion? You should accept that as a result.
“What needs to be made clear is that this crime has nothing to do with race or religion; it’s merely about a mind-set that these perpetrators have. They focus their attention and play on the vulnerabilities of their victims, something that has been consistent with all sexual exploitation cases.
Absolutely right. Such behaviour would be totally inexcusable regardless of race or religion.
What with me being a lady and not wishing to Indulge myself In such goings on, I've taken another route... I have challenged BBC Radio Bristol to get her on a slot with me...I'm waiting on a reply.
Not a bad plan, but the problem there is how many people outside the immediate vicinity have even heard of Radio Bristol? It would far more effective to have her on Hard Talk.
Pretty much a foregone conclusion from Nationalist factions when race is concerned.
First of all, let's remind ourselves that the convicted men's plea In court to save themselves was ' It's In our religion and the culture of Somalia '
Just where are the official records to this effect (and by 'official' I don't mean Daily Mail reports or articles on the BNP website)?
Now she's made It worse by telling The Bristol Evening Post:
'“The reporting of the verdict has always been very biased, focusing on the ethnicity of these men, rather than the crime. This was also the case with the Rotherham verdicts.
Isn't that what you've been campaigning for - to make the verdists biased based on their race & religion? You should accept that as a result.
“What needs to be made clear is that this crime has nothing to do with race or religion; it’s merely about a mind-set that these perpetrators have. They focus their attention and play on the vulnerabilities of their victims, something that has been consistent with all sexual exploitation cases.
Absolutely right. Such behaviour would be totally inexcusable regardless of race or religion.
What with me being a lady and not wishing to Indulge myself In such goings on, I've taken another route... I have challenged BBC Radio Bristol to get her on a slot with me...I'm waiting on a reply.
Not a bad plan, but the problem there is how many people outside the immediate vicinity have even heard of Radio Bristol? It would far more effective to have her on Hard Talk.
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No-one expects verdicts based on religion or race... that's ridiculous and dumb to even suggest.
One of those convicted for abusing multiple victims told the court at his trial that sharing girls for sex "was part of Somali culture" and "a religious requirement".
BBC News - Hotel rape exposed Bristol child sex abuse ring
This statement came from a host of local and national reporters Inside the press gallery during the trial.
Of course this Is a culture difference crime... let's be clear here... None of those In the gang were English nor any other race or religion. All victims were white British children ie The Somalians did not rape Somalian children nor Sikh children nor Chinese children... so the facts are that this Is Indeed about race.
I had a phone call about 10 minutes ago from BBC radio Bristol who are trying to get the woman to agree to come on for a slot. During that phone call, the programme planner stated that her comments had a racial element... ie racial toward British and a cop out re: Somalian.
How ever you try to take this apart... facts are facts.
As for the nationalist protest, there was no demo planned until she opened her mouth. What bit of that do you not get ?
For diversity and social cohesion to exist In harmony In a multi-cultural society, there must be assimilation and Integration. When you have someone like her making ridiculous comments that puts blame elsewhere rather than address the attitude to vulnerable children by certain groups, racial tension will thrive.
One of those convicted for abusing multiple victims told the court at his trial that sharing girls for sex "was part of Somali culture" and "a religious requirement".
BBC News - Hotel rape exposed Bristol child sex abuse ring
This statement came from a host of local and national reporters Inside the press gallery during the trial.
Of course this Is a culture difference crime... let's be clear here... None of those In the gang were English nor any other race or religion. All victims were white British children ie The Somalians did not rape Somalian children nor Sikh children nor Chinese children... so the facts are that this Is Indeed about race.
I had a phone call about 10 minutes ago from BBC radio Bristol who are trying to get the woman to agree to come on for a slot. During that phone call, the programme planner stated that her comments had a racial element... ie racial toward British and a cop out re: Somalian.
How ever you try to take this apart... facts are facts.
As for the nationalist protest, there was no demo planned until she opened her mouth. What bit of that do you not get ?
For diversity and social cohesion to exist In harmony In a multi-cultural society, there must be assimilation and Integration. When you have someone like her making ridiculous comments that puts blame elsewhere rather than address the attitude to vulnerable children by certain groups, racial tension will thrive.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
Rochdale
Accepted. I asked for neutral source. You provided it. Thank you.
However, it should also be noted, from that same article:
Following the convictions, Bristol Somali Forum they were "deeply shocked and shaken" by the revelations in the case.
In a statement they described the events as: "unforgivable acts of cruelty against the most vulnerable members of our community".
It added: "The Muslim communities in Bristol would like to make it absolutely clear we wholeheartedly condemn these dreadful evil acts.
"It is right and appropriate that those responsible, and found guilty through our judiciary process are punished to the fullest extent of the law, regardless of who they are."
Which affirms that what was claimed is false & was more likely to be the ravings of some pervert grasping at straws, in a vain attempt to get off of the charge on religious grounds (knowing how PC this country has become) and not a cultural or religious requirement at all. Surely, on this much, at least, we are in agreement?
However, it should also be noted, from that same article:
Following the convictions, Bristol Somali Forum they were "deeply shocked and shaken" by the revelations in the case.
In a statement they described the events as: "unforgivable acts of cruelty against the most vulnerable members of our community".
It added: "The Muslim communities in Bristol would like to make it absolutely clear we wholeheartedly condemn these dreadful evil acts.
"It is right and appropriate that those responsible, and found guilty through our judiciary process are punished to the fullest extent of the law, regardless of who they are."
Which affirms that what was claimed is false & was more likely to be the ravings of some pervert grasping at straws, in a vain attempt to get off of the charge on religious grounds (knowing how PC this country has become) and not a cultural or religious requirement at all. Surely, on this much, at least, we are in agreement?