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kazalala;1072986 wrote: :yh_rotflyou also fixed my quoting mistake:yh_rotfl you are such a fuss pot:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl


I wander round with a feather duster too sometimes, wearing an apron.

SuzyB;1072996 wrote: Yeay, Kaz thank you so much for your pressi last night:-4 and Spot thanks for those odds

I have discovered the casino, its awesome, I love it :guitarist:guitarist
:yh_rotfloh no i'll be getting begging letters soon:rolleyes: Suzy you get dolars for posting and starting threads too ye know:D

spot;1072999 wrote: I wander round with a feather duster too sometimes, wearing an apron.


:yh_rotfl i can just imagine

kazalala;1073002 wrote: :yh_rotfloh no i'll be getting begging letters soon:rolleyes: Suzy you get dolars for posting and starting threads too ye know:D






Woohoo, I am going to start posting more and start lots of threads :D How much are they worth?

SuzyB;1073007 wrote: Woohoo, I am going to start posting more and start lots of threads :D How much are they worth?


:yh_rotfl i cant remember ,,, not a lot i dont think ,, but it all adds up i suppose:D

Spot what are the odds for Alexander

Carolly;1073182 wrote: Spot what are the odds for Alexander


Alexandra Burke, Mentored by Cheryl, you stake 1,000 casino dollars to win 2,500 casino dollars

They're all on http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/just- ... ost1072801

spot;1073187 wrote: Alexandra Burke, Mentored by Cheryl, you stake 1,000 casino dollars to win 2,500 casino dollars

They're all on http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/just- ... hinking:Ok I will have 2000 on her then please Spot:D

I'm wondering when I'll make a profit.

Why did nobody but Kaz join in on the Treble Chance?

spot;1073205 wrote: I'm wondering when I'll make a profit.

Why did nobody but Kaz join in on the Treble Chance?


i wondered thatmaybe they think they have to think about their answer too much or actually know a lot about football, whereas i just pick some random teams:yh_rotfl

kazalala;1073276 wrote: i wondered thatmaybe they think they have to think about their answer too much or actually know a lot about football, whereas i just pick some random teams:yh_rotflWell I cant stand football so thats why I didnt go in it:rolleyes:;)

Carolly;1073307 wrote: Well I cant stand football so thats why I didnt go in it:rolleyes:;)


you dont have to like football Carol,,, you dont have to watch it or owt:rolleyes::D

kazalala;1073315 wrote: you dont have to like football Carol,,, you dont have to watch it or owt:rolleyes::D
Ye but I aint a clue what is what or who is who and cant bet mega bucks on somefing I know nofing about fgs:rolleyes::D

Carolly;1073321 wrote: Ye but I aint a clue what is what or who is who and cant bet mega bucks on somefing I know nofing about fgs:rolleyes::D


who says ye gotta bet mega bucks,,, i cant be bothered half the time to chexk league tables and past results etc,,, i just usually guess:D i win every week cos im the only one playing,, ye never know you could beat me;)

spot;1073205 wrote: I'm wondering when I'll make a profit.

Why did nobody but Kaz join in on the Treble Chance?


kazalala;1073276 wrote: i wondered thatmaybe they think they have to think about their answer too much or actually know a lot about football, whereas i just pick some random teams:yh_rotfl


I love footi where is that then and whats it all about?

SuzyB;1073478 wrote: I love footi where is that then and whats it all about?


Fresh blood! Huzzah!

http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/just- ... -pool.html

spot;1072801 wrote: Here are the revised odds for bets made this week leading into December 6th's contest in which 5 contestants remain.

Diana Vickers, Mentored by Cheryl, you stake 1,000 casino dollars to win 1,200 casino dollars

Alexandra Burke, Mentored by Cheryl, you stake 1,000 casino dollars to win 2,500 casino dollars

Then there's that pretty boy and the odd remaining band

Eoghan Quigg, Mentored by Simon, you stake 1,000 casino dollars to win 5,000 casino dollars

JLS, Mentored by Louis, you stake 1,000 casino dollars to win 6,000 casino dollars

Cheryl, you stake 1,000 casino dollars to win 1,000 casino dollars

Simon, you stake 1,000 casino dollars to win 5,000 casino dollars

Louis, you stake 1,000 casino dollars to win 6,000 casino dollars

I'll pay out 2,000 casino dollars if you name the contestant who gets kicked off on December 6th, for every 1,000 casino dollars staked.

The current running bets are

Chezzie on Cheryl betting 2,000 to win 2,000

Chezzie on Diana betting 1,000 to win 2,000

Chezzie on JLS betting 1,000 to win 20,000

Milly on Diana betting 3,000 to win 6,000

Immy on Diana betting 1,000 to win 2,000

Carolly on Cheryl betting 20,000 to win 20,000

Kaz on Eoghan betting 1,000 to win 8,000

Kaz on Alexandra betting 2,000 to win 9,500

Mike on Alexandra betting 20,000 casino dollars to win 90,000 casino dollars

As things stand, spot the bookmaker will (depending on the final winner) be up or down from now by roughly

Alexandra down 86.5

Diana up 21

JLS up 35

Eoghan up 47



The Debt Servicing Department

I'm still offering to transfer Mike's outstanding debt of 24,900 casino dollars for 30% less than its paper value in exchange for 17,430 casino dollars on standard credit terms. When you get him to pay you the full debt amount you'll have made a profit of 7,470 casino dollars. The first person to transfer 17,430 casino dollars to spot the bookmaker buys the debt, I'll PM the transfer order to Mike and you the buyer can take over chasing it. This offer is open to Mike too if he wants to take advantage of it.

Spot the bnookmaker is pleased to note that there are no outstanding or other overdue debts.


I haven't got the 17K (yet), but Alexandra is bar far the best and will win. When I have my 90K I will be in good shape then.

Eoghan is a feck'n joke, what a frumpy little twerp, how is he still in it?

Alexandra is fantastic, she can sing, dance, she looks great:-4

mikeinie;1073545 wrote: I haven't got the 17K (yet), but Alexandra is bar far the best and will win. When I have my 90K I will be in good shape then.My problem, as you can well imagine, is that leaving your third bet alive while your account is so much in arrears would place me in a cleft stick, in that should you win I pay you and should you lose you're telling me you'd be obliged to default. By far the best solution is for you to borrow the 24,900 casino dollars from Carolly, win your final bet (which even Carolly would agree is looking interesting, given how long the odds are that you arranged so early in the contest) and pay her back from that.

spot;1073557 wrote: My problem, as you can well imagine, is that leaving your third bet alive while your account is so much in arrears would place me in a cleft stick, in that should you win I pay you and should you lose you're telling me you'd be obliged to default. By far the best solution is for you to borrow the 24,900 casino dollars from Carolly, win your final bet (which even Carolly would agree is looking interesting, given how long the odds are that you arranged so early in the contest) and pay her back from that.Mr.Spot if I wasnt such a lady I would reply to this post :sneaky::driving:

Carolly;1073572 wrote: Mr.Spot if I wasnt such a lady I would reply to this post :sneaky::driving:


Think about it - he has far better odds on his third bet than anyone could now negotiate. You could even offer to buy that from him as well at a price and still end up with better odds than you could buy today. You'd profit, he'd balance his books, I'd close my debtors' register and the sun would shine. He would effectively be selling the third bet to you for the 17,430 casino dollars which would satisfy me and whatever extra you might choose to sweeten the deal for him. The missing 7,470 casino dollars seems reasonable. The total cost to you would be 24,900 casino dollars in exchange for which you'd get his 9 to 2 odds on Alexandra, something that's not been on offer for over a month. He can't use it because he's no longer in good standing and has no credit to cover the bet, but he can sell it to you intact because your credit's good. If you consider that you're paying less for this than you won from me on Esther you might see it as all advantage.

spot;1073580 wrote: Think about it - he has far better odds on his third bet than anyone could now negotiate. You could even offer to buy that from him as well at a price and still end up with better odds than you could buy today. You'd profit, he'd balance his books, I'd close my debtors' register and the sun would shine. He would effectively be selling the third bet to you for the 17,430 casino dollars which would satisfy me and whatever extra you might choose to sweeten the deal for him. The missing 7,470 casino dollars seems reasonable.You got more chance of Kaz doing a jig in the middle of Sainsburys.....its your bleedin Betting Business and you should have asked if he had the dosh to cover his bet......Mr.Spot you are a very kind man for allowing these people to bet without dosh in the bank.....you dont even ask for references fgs.......nope Im hanging onto my dosh...its nearly Christmas and I have 6 dogs here to buy pressies for and the geese and duck.....and I may lose $22,000 to you...so fankyou but no:mad::rolleyes::driving:

Carolly;1073589 wrote: You got more chance of Kaz doing a jig in the middle of Sainsburys.....
KAZ! Get your clogs on, read the thread a bit and decide you want to make history.

spot;1073598 wrote: KAZ! Get your clogs on, read the thread a bit and decide you want to make history.
Ohhhhh your so cheeky at times Mr!!!

My goodness it's uphill round these parts.

Chez! Come over and flaunt yourself, tell the woman you're up for whatever I'm pushing here.

spot;1073659 wrote: My goodness it's uphill round these parts.

Chez! Come over and flaunt yourself, tell the woman you're up for whatever I'm pushing here.Shes gone to bed and she reckons you asked her and Kaz already:sneaky::rolleyes:

I'd hate to have to declare the bet void at this stage but I'm getting no cooperation from anyone here. It's obvious I can't let it ride if I know there's no way I'm going to be paid if it loses. Nobody's prepared to advance the money, nobody's prepared to buy it out, what alternative am I left with? I've done all I can to generate ways in which it can be cost-free to whoever buys it - anyone asking me for a 20,000 bet on Alexandra can only get 50,000 winnings if they take out a bet this week, the offer Mike's holding is 40,000 higher. That's twice as much additional in the bank if Alexandra wins than the deal costs in the first place, on top of the regular winnings at this week's odds!

spot;1073673 wrote: I'd hate to have to declare the bet void at this stage but I'm getting no cooperation from anyone here. It's obvious I can't let it ride if I know there's no way I'm going to be paid if it loses. Nobody's prepared to advance the money, nobody's prepared to buy it out, what alternative am I left with? I've done all I can to generate ways in which it can be cost-free to whoever buys it - anyone asking me for a 20,000 bet on Alexandra can only get 50,000 winnings if they take out a bet this week, the offer Mike's holding is 40,000 higher. That's twice as much additional in the bank if Alexandra wins than the deal costs in the first place, on top of the regular winnings at this week's odds!So what you saying Mr.Spot:sneaky:

Carolly;1073678 wrote: So what you saying Mr.Spot:sneaky:


I'm describing my quandary. I'm the only one here who has no means of wiping Mike's slate clean because I'm the only one who can't buy his debt and take over his asset.

spot;1073679 wrote: I'm describing my quandary. I'm the only one here who has no means of wiping Mike's slate clean because I'm the only one who can't buy his debt and take over his asset.Ang on...you took his bet and how can you buy his debt when you have already got it:-5...ere you winding me up!!!!Now Mike owes you dosh.....so its upto you to sort him out.....threaten him or somefing....say you know where he lives and you will go over with yer books and read to him:wah::wah:Oh come on his bound to pay ye then;)

Carolly;1073681 wrote: Ang on...you took his bet and how can you buy his debt when you have already got it:-5...ere you winding me up!!!!Now Mike owes you dosh.....so its upto you to sort him out.....threaten him or somefing....say you know where he lives and you will go over with yer books and read to him:wah::wah:Oh come on his bound to pay ye then;)


I do wish you could try to be serious at least occasionally. You asked for a bookmaker, I'm giving you a bookmaker.

If I abandon the debt and declare Mike's remaining bet void then he's unable to re-establish his credit here. I said "I'm the only one who can't buy his debt and take over his asset" - how do you get from that to "how can you buy his debt when you have already got it"? We're both saying I can't. I said it and then you said it. Where are we disagreeing?

It's not helping if you just make a joke out of it and claim I could send in heavies - it's meaningless. If nobody will keep Mike's bet on Alexandra alive at 9 to 2 odds then I'll declare it void and nobody can have it.

It's worth 40,000 more than the same bet would win if you took it out today. Nobody seems to think it's worth paying Mike 17,000 to buy that better bet from him. Nobody seems to think it's worth negotiating a loan to him so that he can keep the bet alive himself. All you want to do is point and scoff. Obviously I can cancel it and leave Mike hanging with no way of repaying the bookmaker, I was simply trying to avoid that.

spot;1073699 wrote: I do wish you could try to be serious at least occasionally. You asked for a bookmaker, I'm giving you a bookmaker.

If I abandon the debt and declare Mike's remaining bet void then he's unable to re-establish his credit here. I said "I'm the only one who can't buy his debt and take over his asset" - how do you get from that to "how can you buy his debt when you have already got it"? We're both saying I can't. I said it and then you said it. Where are we disagreeing?

It's not helping if you just make a joke out of it and claim I could send in heavies - it's meaningless. If nobody will keep Mike's bet on Alexandra alive at 9 to 2 odds then I'll declare it void and nobody can have it.

It's worth 40,000 more than the same bet would win if you took it out today. Nobody seems to think it's worth paying Mike 17,000 to buy that better bet from him. Nobody seems to think it's worth negotiating a loan to him so that he can keep the bet alive himself. All you want to do is point and scoff. Obviously I can cancel it and leave Mike hanging with no way of repaying the bookmaker, I was simply trying to avoid that.So because of Mike we all suffer is that it in a nutshell.......well thats not very nice is it.:mad:I didnt take his bet so it aint my fault...what you having a go at me for.Im just a customer of yours Sir.

Carolly;1073702 wrote: So because of Mike we all suffer is that it in a nutshell.......well thats not very nice is it.:mad:I didnt take his bet so it aint my fault...what you having a go at me for.Im just a customer of yours Sir.


You appeared to be mocking. In what way does anyone other than Mike suffer if I withdraw his credit and insist on receiving his stake in advance, which is my sole commercial option at this stage? There's no point leaving the bet on open credit if he can't ever pay any losses.

spot;1073704 wrote: You appeared to be mocking. In what way does anyone other than Mike suffer if I withdraw his credit and close his account as a bad debt, which is my sole commercial option at this stage? There's no point leaving it open if he can't ever pay any losses.I fink Im ready for the funny farm here I tell yer......so you saying our bets are still safe with you and if we win being the honourable Bookmaker you are you will pay us all out as us girls will indeed pay you if we lose?

Carolly;1073706 wrote: I fink Im ready for the funny farm here I tell yer......so you saying our bets are still safe with you and if we win being the honourable Bookmaker you are you will pay us all out as us girls will indeed pay you if we lose?


Obviously. All I've been trying to do is reschedule Mike's debt so that it's no longer overdue in my book, given that he's indicated he has no resources to cover it.

Quite what you mean by "safe", given that you're all betting on credit, I'm not sure.

spot;1073710 wrote: Obviously. All I've been trying to do is reschedule Mike's debt so that it's no longer overdue in my book, given that he's indicated he has no resources to cover it.

Quite what you mean by "safe", given that you're all betting on credit, I'm not sure.
Well ive never knocked anybody in my life and I aint gonna start now.I may be a rough diamond but I pay the minute I find I have lost and tbh without meaning to tell you how to run this establishment I would look at peoples assets here before I took a bet from them and if you feel they would not be able to pay you if they lose I wouldn't take their bet.Now you know Im ok and have enough as Im sure most of us have.....its about trust and I give you my word that I would never knock you like I know as a true gentleman you would never knock me Mr. Spot.

No wonder there is a credit crunch; you’re just like a bank.

I thought that this was all in fun.

What if I reduce my bet on Alexandra to a level where the winnings pay off the debt? Therefore if she wins, I clear my dept and take no profit. Is this an option?

mikeinie;1073894 wrote: No wonder there is a credit crunch; you’re just like a bank.

I thought that this was all in fun.

What if I reduce my bet on Alexandra to a level where the winnings pay off the debt? Therefore if she wins, I clear my dept and take no profit. Is this an option?


Of course it's all in fun, there's no financial value to a casino dollar and there never will be. The reason we do it is the strange interactions we generate.

The problem with the approach you're suggesting is that when Alexandra loses, my book debt increases by the amount of your final stake and goes overdue the following week. At the moment you have an asset you can sell - the Alexandra bet - which is potentially worth a clear 40,000 casino dollars but I've not been able to get anyone to realize that. I am, as you can detect, frustrated by this inability to get anyone to recognize how to manipulate numbers.

Take the thread to G-Man and invite him to buy out your asset for 25,000 casino dollars , come back to me and pay me off with the agreed discounted 17,430 casino dollars and keep the 7,570 casino dollars as profit. That way my books look good and your credit stays intact.

Carolly;1073589 wrote: You got more chance of Kaz doing a jig in the middle of Sainsburys.....its your bleedin Betting Business and you should have asked if he had the dosh to cover his bet......Mr.Spot you are a very kind man for allowing these people to bet without dosh in the bank.....you dont even ask for references fgs.......nope Im hanging onto my dosh...its nearly Christmas and I have 6 dogs here to buy pressies for and the geese and duck.....and I may lose $22,000 to you...so fankyou but no:mad::rolleyes::driving:


I wouldnt bet on it:sneaky::yh_rotfl Spot i understand about buying mike's bet but i honestly dont think i have enough money to do it.

Also Mike,,, yes of course its all just a bit of fun,, but we cant all just make massive bets and then not expect to pay up,,, spot is very prompt to pay up if anyone has won a bet, and i think it was generous enough of him not to ask for payment up front, as would really hapen in a bookmakers:sneaky: so i think its just showing fair play and consideration to return the favour:) Spots suggestion of selling on your bet is a good one,,, good luck with it:D

kazalala;1073972 wrote: I wouldnt bet on it:sneaky::yh_rotfl Spot i understand about buying mike's bet but i honestly dont think i have enough money to do it.

Also Mike,,, yes of course its all just a bit of fun,, but we cant all just make massive bets and then not expect to pay up,,, spot is very prompt to pay up if anyone has won a bet, and i think it was generous enough of him not to ask for payment up front, as would really hapen in a bookmakers:sneaky: so i think its just showing fair play and consideration to return the favour:) Spots suggestion of selling on your bet is a good one,,, good luck with it:D


I know, I can’t use ignorance as an excuse, but I wasn’t sure how the system worked prior to throwing out big bets, I would have been more careful.

I never miss a debt though and will find a way to clear my debts.

mikeinie;1074156 wrote: I know, I can’t use ignorance as an excuse, but I wasn’t sure how the system worked prior to throwing out big bets, I would have been more careful.

I never miss a debt though and will find a way to clear my debts.


ahh well done mike:D

spot;1073897 wrote: Of course it's all in fun, there's no financial value to a casino dollar and there never will be. The reason we do it is the strange interactions we generate.

The problem with the approach you're suggesting is that when Alexandra loses, my book debt increases by the amount of your final stake and goes overdue the following week. At the moment you have an asset you can sell - the Alexandra bet - which is potentially worth a clear 40,000 casino dollars but I've not been able to get anyone to realize that. I am, as you can detect, frustrated by this inability to get anyone to recognize how to manipulate numbers.

Take the thread to G-Man and invite him to buy out your asset for 25,000 casino dollars , come back to me and pay me off with the agreed discounted 17,430 casino dollars and keep the 7,570 casino dollars as profit. That way my books look good and your credit stays intact.


Who needs money? Come visit my new loan business for interest free loans*.



G's Loan Shark Thread

* All loans are interest free, however applicants who qualify may need to perform various tasks until the loan has been payed.

I presume everyone will be exemplary like Spot, who claims he always re-pays his debts.

G-man;1075675 wrote: Who needs money? Come visit my new loan business for interest free loans*.



G's Loan Shark Thread

* All loans are interest free, however applicants who qualify may need to perform various tasks until the loan has been payed.

I presume everyone will be exemplary like Spot, who claims he always re-pays his debts.


:yh_rotflLove it this should be fun :sneaky::sneaky:

spot;1072801 wrote:

The Debt Servicing Department

I'm still offering to transfer Mike's outstanding debt of 24,900 casino dollars for 30% less than its paper value in exchange for 17,430 casino dollars on standard credit terms. When you get him to pay you the full debt amount you'll have made a profit of 7,470 casino dollars. The first person to transfer 17,430 casino dollars to spot the bookmaker buys the debt, I'll PM the transfer order to Mike and you the buyer can take over chasing it. This offer is open to Mike too if he wants to take advantage of it.

Spot the bnookmaker is pleased to note that there are no outstanding or other overdue debts.


I have been to the loan shark... can I still take you up on this offer?

mikeinie;1075915 wrote: I have been to the loan shark... can I still take you up on this offer?Definitely. Send me the 17,430 casino dollars and your slate's cleared.

If you also get a guarantee for the 20,000 casino dollars on Alexandra in the event that you lose then I'll leave that running so you'll still win 90,000 casino dollars if she wins the contest. I don't need it putting down in advance, I just need a guarantee of payment by a third party in the event of Alexandra losing the contest.

Ms Boop ....

Was this what you were looking for?

pinkchick;1078955 wrote: Ms Boop ....

Was this what you were looking for?


Thanks Pink :-6, not sure :wah: were we generally discussing it in here

Betty Boop;1078957 wrote: Thanks Pink :-6, not sure :wah: were we generally discussing it in here


Dunno hun

Chezzie;1040701 wrote: Id like a separate bet of $2000 that Cheryl as mentor will win the x-factor.

Id like $2000 on Laura and $2000 on Austin to win the x-factor.

Id like to place $1000 on Diane and $1000 on JLS winning X-Factor.

My total bet is $8000:D


Diana is out,,,$1000 to you Spot:D

Its spots betting thread for X factor:D but we can stil talk about it here:D

Diana has been eliminated this week,, Alex, Eoghan and JLS in the final next week:D

Chezzie;1078966 wrote: Diana is out,,,$1000 to you Spot:D
That means that wee twerp is STILL in!

Aaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhh

pinkchick;1078968 wrote: That means that wee twerp is STILL in!

Aaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhh


AWw bless him he is devastated for her:-4