The fear of this site being religious

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:40 pm

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Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:46 pm

Mickiel;1498034 wrote: Oh yes, we do. In my world , there is no such thing as free will . We know that in order for a will to be free , it must be uninfluenced by outside sources ; which is impossible! We consider Jeremiah 10:23," O Lord I know that the way of man is not IN himself , it is not in man that walks to direct his path." Free will is not in us , we are constantly manipulated by hundreds of things. We have a will , but we are contained; limited ; freedom is unlimited.

Absolute rubbish. Any organism receives input from the outside world, it processes those inputs and reacts to them - the question is whether that reaction is determined by the organism at the time or is pre-determined.

You claim that it is pre-determined according to the will of a divine being, I believe that it is dictated by the state of the organism (the complete set of inputs at the time, the recent events experienced by the organism, the learned responses ingrained from past experience as well as any inherited responses. To say that any organism that processes external stimuli cannot have free will is nonsense.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:41 pm

Bryn Mawr;1498037 wrote: Absolute rubbish. Any organism receives input from the outside world, it processes those inputs and reacts to them - the question is whether that reaction is determined by the organism at the time or is pre-determined.

You claim that it is pre-determined according to the will of a divine being, I believe that it is dictated by the state of the organism (the complete set of inputs at the time, the recent events experienced by the organism, the learned responses ingrained from past experience as well as any inherited responses. To say that any organism that processes external stimuli cannot have free will is nonsense.

So you never have experienced anything against your will?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:10 pm

Another article on this so called free will;

Is Man a Free Moral Agent - J. Preston Eby

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:49 am

gmc;1498036 wrote: sfsdsfsfd

For some reason I am unable to post a longer post I had written 505 internal error whatever that is

It's a weird one, a combination of words somewhere in the text triggering an "attack" filter - we've never been able to figure out the rules or where to adjust them.

The only remedy is trial and error - chop chunks out until the post goes through and then add buts back until it rejects again. Then rephrase the bit that's causing the rejection.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:55 am

Mickiel;1498040 wrote: So you never have experienced anything against your will?

So, if there is no such thing as free will and we are all acting out a pre-determined plan set up by God then all of the killing, all of the diseases, all of the natural disasters are deliberately written into the plan by God - the twenty million dead in the first world war followed by another twenty million dead from influenza over the following couple of years are all a fixed part of God's plan.

What a sick being your God must be.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Fri Jul 01, 2016 5:08 am

Bryn Mawr;1498062 wrote: So, if there is no such thing as free will and we are all acting out a pre-determined plan set up by God then all of the killing, all of the diseases, all of the natural disasters are deliberately written into the plan by God - the twenty million dead in the first world war followed by another twenty million dead from influenza over the following couple of years are all a fixed part of God's plan.

What a sick being your God must be.

All of it is in his plans. The killing , the diseases , the wars ; all of it is in his plans. All of it was predestined , God knew before hand it would happen. He knew man would do it before he made us. And he knows he is responsible. He knows.

He knew.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:38 am

Mickiel;1497987 wrote: I believe in reason , and consider it an insult for Atheist to suggest that Theist have no reason , or are devoid of it; as if we are unreasonable beings.I believe Theist and Atheist are destined to be locked into disagreement. And that is just how it is ; wisdom is knowing how it is.

Just because you believe something to be true does not make it so. If that's your reason and it's enough for you but not for anyone else. Faith in god requires the suspension of reason so I would not say you do not have the ability to reason but you choose not to use it preferring the certainty of faith.

You say you believe in the bible and we don't have free will and all is ordained that is the means by which relgion has sought to control the masses down the centuries - it's god's will accept your fate he has set your station in life and don't question why it is so.

In the bible god gave us free will but that''s yet another bit of god's word you choose not to believe why don't you just admit you are making it all up as you go along.

I don't believe in destiny and I'll ask you again

If all is preordained and we have no free will what is the point of our existence existence as you see it? I assume you do think god has a purpose or are you going to come out with god moves in mysterious ways and it is n ot for us to question type of nonsense.

oh wait you answered it

I won't bother you with nonsense , this discussion is meaningless. We are polar oppisites , destined to think like we do.

So at least you recognise it is nonsense. What a sad outlook on life you have, a plaything of god to live and die as he has dictated. What would you say to those born with disabilities or who get the zika virus in the years to come - God's will just suck it up or platitudinous words that mean the same? What will you say to women denied contraceptives or the choice of an abortion by the influence of a stone age religion with a leader selected by god - all god's will nothing you could have done about it. Come to that if you believe the bi le to be the word of god no doubt you think eve's curse was deserved even if she did not have free will in the matter..

You are even more depressing than brexit.

All of it is in his plans. The killing , the diseases , the wars ; all of it is in his plans. All of it was predestined , God knew before hand it would happen. He knew man would do it before he made us. And he knows he is responsible. He knows.

He knew.

Who made god?

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:31 pm

I call myself a Christian but very liberal. I have no problem with what anyone believes. We must each take our own path through life. Who am I or anyone else to be the judge. We can have diversity in unity.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Fri Jul 01, 2016 10:54 pm

Ted;1498081 wrote: I call myself a Christian but very liberal. I have no problem with what anyone believes. We must each take our own path through life. Who am I or anyone else to be the judge. We can have diversity in unity.

At least you live in a secular country where no one is going to burn you at a stake for being the wrong kind of christian but millions of your fellow christrans are taught you will be going to hell some may even believe it.

Mickiel doesn't make sense in his own posts. Claims his proof of god is the bible and it's inspired writers and translaters, then it becomes obvious he hasn't actually read it so from then he becomes selective about which bits he wants to believe. Quoting from a book claiming is an unquestionalbe authority doesn't get you very far especially if you haven't read it.

I find a lot of religious posters hold forth on a discussion forum but them get upset when nobody agrees with them the rest just basically talk to themselves. We can have diversity in unity or unity in diversity. Throughout history whereever there has been a society that is tolerant it's invariably been the fundamentally religious that screw it up by claiming to be the "one" and preaching intolerance of the other. " religious tolerance" is one some levels incredibly offensive, arrogance and patronising . LBGT, freethinkers, black/white etc etc it's not toilerance that is needed but acceptance, human rights are a secular concept not a religious one contempt for the "other" is imo built in to every monotheist creed there ever was, is and shall be.

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It's a weird one, a combination of words somewhere in the text triggering an "attack" filter - we've never been able to figure out the rules or where to adjust them.

The only remedy is trial and error - chop chunks out until the post goes through and then add buts back until it rejects again. Then rephrase the bit that's causing the rejection.

Finally got it posted, did alter it slightly but am afraid I can't recall the original to see what I changed. I was having problems with my internet connection (do occasionally after they update the hub software) I'd come to te concluscion it was to do with that.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sat Jul 02, 2016 7:49 am

If there is no such thing as free will, and that God influences all those thoughts, then physical actions based on those thought must also be influenced by God. Therefore there can be no sin, because everyone has to be doing the will of God, because they have no free will of their own. So what sort of loving God is this who holds people to account for the actions that he makes them do in the first place?

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Sat Jul 02, 2016 8:34 am

Good point. Like to see the answer. Some creative dancing.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:09 am

Mickiel. I'm in total agreement here. Don't fall over LOL. If folks don't want to talk about religion that is a free choice. They don't have to go to the religious area. I think G#Gill is simply wrong about that. If he doesn't like the religious aspect he doesn't have to come here. Some folks have little to no idea about the religious aspects of religious chat. Maybe we should simply ban everything but naughty stories. LOL

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sat Jul 02, 2016 10:02 am

Ted;1498112 wrote: Good point. Like to see the answer. Some creative dancing.

Don't hold your breath.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sat Jul 02, 2016 11:29 am

Ted;1498115 wrote: Mickiel. I'm in total agreement here. Don't fall over LOL. If folks don't want to talk about religion that is a free choice. They don't have to go to the religious area. I think G#Gill is simply wrong about that. If he doesn't like the religious aspect he doesn't have to come here. Some folks have little to no idea about the religious aspects of religious chat. Maybe we should simply ban everything but naughty stories. LOL
If it were possible to block posts from appearing in the Latest Posts list we would be giving the Religious Forums a clear berth. Personally I don't go looking for any individual forum - just the Latest Posts. Unfortunately, though, even when you add members to your ignore list (such as katsung & macooo on mine), they still keep coming up as New Posts. If only there was a way of blocking them altogether.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Sat Jul 02, 2016 12:42 pm

Open forum and everyone is entitled to have their say. Don't like it don't read it.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sat Jul 02, 2016 12:48 pm

FourPart;1498126 wrote: If it were possible to block posts from appearing in the Latest Posts list we would be giving the Religious Forums a clear berth. Personally I don't go looking for any individual forum - just the Latest Posts. Unfortunately, though, even when you add members to your ignore list (such as katsung & macooo on mine), they still keep coming up as New Posts. If only there was a way of blocking them altogether.

I'm with ted on this one, don't bother reading them if you don't want to. I just look at new posts as well many I just don't bother looking at.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Jul 03, 2016 10:10 am

FourPart;1498102 wrote: If there is no such thing as free will, and that God influences all those thoughts, then physical actions based on those thought must also be influenced by God. Therefore there can be no sin, because everyone has to be doing the will of God, because they have no free will of their own. So what sort of loving God is this who holds people to account for the actions that he makes them do in the first place?

God is not going to judge this world , that is in the bible. He is going to save it; the methods he choose to use to accomplish that , are indeed unusual. Sin exist ,but he canceled out its effect on our future in any negative sense; he is uniquely using it for that end.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Jul 03, 2016 10:34 am

Ted;1498115 wrote: Mickiel. I'm in total agreement here. Don't fall over LOL. If folks don't want to talk about religion that is a free choice. They don't have to go to the religious area. I think G#Gill is simply wrong about that. If he doesn't like the religious aspect he doesn't have to come here. Some folks have little to no idea about the religious aspects of religious chat. Maybe we should simply ban everything but naughty stories. LOL

Well yes , I don't even open threads on site and read them if I am not interested. I once wrote ," If you are not interested , then why are you so interested?" If you don't want sugar in your body , then why do you keep putting it in there? In my view , some of it is fear , mixed with distain. I understand both reactions. The fear of this site being religious. The fear of dinner being mixed with sugar ; then you eat it anyway.

Then you get mad at the cook for putting it in there.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Mon Jul 04, 2016 4:11 am

Mickiel;1498165 wrote: God is not going to judge this world , that is in the bible. He is going to save it; the methods he choose to use to accomplish that , are indeed unusual. Sin exist ,but he canceled out its effect on our future in any negative sense; he is uniquely using it for that end.

But you've made it clear you don't believe what is in the bible is actually the word of god unless it suits what you want to believe so why do you believe this is in the bible.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Mon Jul 04, 2016 5:16 am

Mickiel;1498165 wrote: God is not going to judge this world , that is in the bible. He is going to save it; the methods he choose to use to accomplish that , are indeed unusual. Sin exist ,but he canceled out its effect on our future in any negative sense; he is uniquely using it for that end.

But if we're just acting out God's pre-determined plan then what is He saving us from?

It can only be from Himself!

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:15 am

gmc;1498188 wrote: But you've made it clear you don't believe what is in the bible is actually the word of god unless it suits what you want to believe so why do you believe this is in the bible.

John 5:22"The Father judges no man , but has committed all judgment to the Son."

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:16 am

Bryn Mawr;1498190 wrote: But if we're just acting out God's pre-determined plan then what is He saving us from?

It can only be from Himself!

In a sense yes; from his own plan. He wants us to know what going against his way will result in.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:31 am

Mickiel;1498195 wrote: In a sense yes; from his own plan. He wants us to know what going against his way will result in.

But how can we possibly go against His will if we have no free will of our own and are just carrying out His plan?

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Mon Jul 04, 2016 8:50 am

That God sounds like She/Him/It is somewhat mixed up to me. Not really sure himself about what he wants. LOL

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Jul 04, 2016 9:28 am

Bryn Mawr;1498198 wrote: But how can we possibly go against His will if we have no free will of our own and are just carrying out His plan?

Because we are flesh , and we do what we do , because we are not created perfect.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:49 am

Mickiel;1498194 wrote: John 5:22"The Father judges no man , but has committed all judgment to the Son."

That didn't actually answer the question i asked.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:28 am

gmc;1498221 wrote: That didn't actually answer the question i asked.

It answered it in my view.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Mon Jul 04, 2016 12:40 pm

Mickiel;1498209 wrote: Because we are flesh , and we do what we do , because we are not created perfect.

You cannot state that there is no free will and that we are just following God's plan and then say that we have gone against His will - that is flat out contradicting yourself.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Jul 04, 2016 3:20 pm

Bryn Mawr;1498234 wrote: You cannot state that there is no free will and that we are just following God's plan and then say that we have gone against His will - that is flat out contradicting yourself.

Try to understand the concept that God is using things that are against his will to accomplish his plan. Sin and evil are against his foundational will , but not his inclusive planning will. Sin and evil are part of his plans for now. I mean he's doing it.

God in Isaiah 45:7, " I form the light and create darkness ; I make peace and create evil; I the Lord do all these things." The darkness and evil is against his eternal will, meaning they will NOT last forever, but they are not against his permissive will , meaning he allows it for now.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Tue Jul 05, 2016 4:34 am

Mickiel;1498244 wrote: Try to understand the concept that God is using things that are against his will to accomplish his plan. Sin and evil are against his foundational will , but not his inclusive planning will. Sin and evil are part of his plans for now. I mean he's doing it.

God in Isaiah 45:7, " I form the light and create darkness ; I make peace and create evil; I the Lord do all these things." The darkness and evil is against his eternal will, meaning they will NOT last forever, but they are not against his permissive will , meaning he allows it for now.

God doesn't exist except in your imagination. Try to understand that if you can't prove to anyone but your own satisfaction that god exists everything you say is actually meaningless.

You say the bible is your proof that god exists because you believe that the writers were inspired by god but you then go on to say you don't believe whole sections of it to be trye which rather contradicts your belief that the bible is the unchanged word of god. You could at least try and be consistent within your own fantasy. How do you know what his plan is do you hear voices becaues it clearly can't be what is written in the bible as you are choosing to completely ignore big chunks of it. What do you think gad has in mind for you and why are you posting on this site to a bunch of non believers in god and to believers in a differnt god.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:44 am

gmc;1498259 wrote: God doesn't exist except in your imagination. Try to understand that if you can't prove to anyone but your own satisfaction that god exists everything you say is actually meaningless.

You say the bible is your proof that god exists because you believe that the writers were inspired by god but you then go on to say you don't believe whole sections of it to be trye which rather contradicts your belief that the bible is the unchanged word of god. You could at least try and be consistent within your own fantasy. How do you know what his plan is do you hear voices becaues it clearly can't be what is written in the bible as you are choosing to completely ignore big chunks of it. What do you think gad has in mind for you and why are you posting on this site to a bunch of non believers in god and to believers in a differnt god.

If you think my imagination is so wild , why are you asking me so many questions?

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Tue Jul 05, 2016 10:09 am

It seems to me that faith (trust) is a personal thing. I believe as I believe. I do not expect others to believe as I do. We must each follow our own path.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Tue Jul 05, 2016 11:27 am

Mickiel;1498269 wrote: If you think my imagination is so wild , why are you asking me so many questions?

To see if I can get you to think about what you are posting. What you post isn't consistent with your own puported beliefs so either you've not really thought about it or you are incoherent.

I am of the opinion that a theist posting on a forum like this is actually giving a cry for help to try and break the logic loop they have created for themselves. I have free will you don't maybe god has sent you here as a last resort to try and help you realise he is not real. Why would I not try to help a felow human in distress?

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Tue Jul 05, 2016 11:55 am

Now that is funny

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Jul 11, 2016 8:05 am

gmc;1498278 wrote: To see if I can get you to think about what you are posting. What you post isn't consistent with your own puported beliefs so either you've not really thought about it or you are incoherent.

I am of the opinion that a theist posting on a forum like this is actually giving a cry for help to try and break the logic loop they have created for themselves. I have free will you don't maybe god has sent you here as a last resort to try and help you realise he is not real. Why would I not try to help a felow human in distress?

There is nothing you can do for me;, but thanks anyhow. Your kind of thinking is unattractive to me. Its like an old girlfriend I don't want back.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Mon Jul 11, 2016 9:55 am

First of all I am not a theist I'm a Parenthesist. In many branches of Christianity there are some who in fact do give up their free will but in other branches they exercise their free will. I'm one who does exercise my free will and exercise that right.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:47 pm

Most religious sites have Atheist sections; most Atheist sites have no religious sections.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:24 am

Mickiel;1498735 wrote: Most religious sites have Atheist sections; most Atheist sites have no religious sections.

Most Religious sites have Religious sections - Full Stop. I have NEVER come across ANY Religious site with an Atheist section.

I don't think there is any such thing as an Atheist site. Or more to the point, the proper term for an Atheist Site would be "A Site". The Religious fanatics are just so damned paranoid that they think that they are the centre of the Universe & that everybody is conspiring against them, determined to prove that their imaginary God doesn't exist. Well, I've got news for you. We don't need to prove that something doesn't exist when there has been no evidence that it has ever existed in the first place. We don't need to prove a non-existence of anything. Therefore why should a site include a section about something that doesn't exist. We might as well include a section about darkness, or vacuums. On standard sites, however, the Religious type tend to make their way into them & infect them like a virus with their rantings & paranoia.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:03 pm

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 11:45 am

Atheist websites;

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Kathy Ellen · Post by **Kathy Ellen** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:18 pm

I'm sorry, but it's over. Not everyone cares MICHIEL... LET IT GO PLEASE

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:30 pm

Kathy Ellen;1498933 wrote: I'm sorry, but it's over. Not everyone cares MICHIEL... LET IT GO PLEASE

No I will not let it go ; and here are three reasons why ; YOU say nobody cares , the thread says ;

30 pages long

291 replies

8,015 views

Why should I ignore those facts and listen to what you are screaming?

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 12:40 am

Mods: please lock this thread for the fear of this religious thread never ending.

Mickiel: This is beginning to sound like Pahu's "I'm-anti-science-and-I-won't-even-consider-logic-thread."

As for me, you have a point on the post count. The only way this thread has gone this far is that all of us, myself included, enjoy baiting you, are upset you can't be reasoned with, and it relieves late night boredom.

So I'm unsubscribing. I feel a little guilty for poking you with a stick for so long. You seem like a decent person, why not take this opportunity to wrap up this thread and post in some others?

So long religious fear thread.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:20 am

Saint_;1498968 wrote: Mods: please lock this thread for the fear of this religious thread never ending.

Mickiel: This is beginning to sound like Pahu's "I'm-anti-science-and-I-won't-even-consider-logic-thread."

As for me, you have a point on the post count. The only way this thread has gone this far is that all of us, myself included, enjoy baiting you, are upset you can't be reasoned with, and it relieves late night boredom.

So I'm unsubscribing. I feel a little guilty for poking you with a stick for so long. You seem like a decent person, why not take this opportunity to wrap up this thread and post in some others?

So long religious fear thread.

No I will not wrap this up , do I come to any of your threads and ask that you close them? Its basically asking someone to be quiet because you are tired of what they are saying.

I am happy you decided to not visit this thread anymore ,but you are welcome.

But you need to ask yourself , why are you so interested if you are not interested? Why eat things that make you sick? Why read things you don't like? Why?

Why? Why? Do you think it will bother me if you don't read it?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 5:18 pm

Saint_;1498968 wrote:

As for me, you have a point on the post count. The only way this thread has gone this ;;;;;far is that all of us, ;;; myself included, enjoy baiting you, are upset you can't be reasoned with, and it relieves late night boredom.

I can't help but notice this phrase " All Of Us"; this thread has gone this far " Because"

Of " All of Us."

Stunning!

This "Us verses Them" mentality! All of " Us" has made your thread what it is;

The thread has merit "Because of us!"

Us.

You know who "Us is" , don't you? You know , the privledged; the intelligent ; the masters ; the true powers that be; the pace setters; the righteous ; the superior;, and how dare I, obviously not of " The Us", talk without their approval.

And then speak too long.

And then dare speak about " The Us!" The fears of the us.

Yea , that's why I like sticking it to "The Us."

I kind of like the sounds they make after I stick them. You know ,they start begging you to stop. To stop bothering the powers that be. To leave the superior alone.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 5:28 pm

Yea , leave "Us Alone!" Stop disagreeing with US! Stop talking about US.

US gone get you.

US is your boss ;; come on now Mickiel, say "Yes Sir Boss!" Boss say shut up , say yes sir boss! Boss sets the pace , you can't get out in front of Boss Hog!

Boss say you'd best know your place boy.

Queen say speak when spoken to.

You don't put boss in check , boss run the game.

Boss don't know that this is one of them slave's that got away;

one of them horses that don't like saddles. One that is now free. Free to speak his mind.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 7:31 pm

But I am not heartless ,I know how it is when there are threads you don't like. I remember one I did not like ; " Ban Mickiel." Some years ago ; same spirit - the desire to shut people up who don't think like you. I did not try to influence the shutting of the thread, I dealt with it as best I could. Not only did it suggest I be silenced , but that I be exiled. I know that spirit has never died , its still here , just waiting to rear its ugly head when opportunity presents itself.

You know how it is ; if you don't walk like them , talk like them, look like them, well your just out of place. And the people who don't fold to that , have been pioneers to movements of change. You know, get the master to share his land. Get a piece of the pie; get your share of listeners.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:10 am

The first link you give is merely a list - no real different to a Google search. You could just as easily have done a search on YouTube, as that's all it consisted of. The 2nd (Atheist Forums) proved you wrong from the very start. You claimed that Atheist sites don't include Religious sections. Well look at the words in the very Title Banner ... "and believers". Then it includes a "Religious General Discussion" section. You can't have discussion with Pro & Con.

To be honest - I don't even consider such sites as true Atheist sites. They're just there to wind up the likes of you (which they clearly do quite successfully). A true Atheist, such as me, couldn't give a toss & would rather leave Religion out of the site altogether. Religion is a man made concept of an imaginary thesis.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Jul 24, 2016 7:02 am

FourPart;1499036 wrote: The first link you give is merely a list - no real different to a Google search. You could just as easily have done a search on YouTube, as that's all it consisted of. The 2nd (Atheist Forums) proved you wrong from the very start. You claimed that Atheist sites don't include Religious sections. Well look at the words in the very Title Banner ... "and believers". Then it includes a "Religious General Discussion" section. You can't have discussion with Pro & Con.

To be honest - I don't even consider such sites as true Atheist sites. They're just there to wind up the likes of you (which they clearly do quite successfully). A true Atheist, such as me, couldn't give a toss & would rather leave Religion out of the site altogether. Religion is a man made concept of an imaginary thesis.

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