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flopstock;971318 wrote: Us cantankerous old farts gotta stick together or these young politically correct kids kids will silence us...or worse- ignore us...:-4:-6No chance, I'm watching you both like a hawk here.
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Hoss;971109 wrote: I'm still trying to figure out what’s true about her and what isn’t? From what I have read so far the pro republican sites still say 'alleged' in front of the issues at hand and the pro democrat sites just about have her hanged for sedition.
It bothers me that her daughter is pregnant, I think it does reflect on a lack of teaching and training in the home, it could be because of her absence at work, it may be that with her being there it still would have happen because she did not teach her daughter better morals.
I don't know for sure, but I do know that if they get elected they are going to have way more time together as a family since the VP doesn’t do anything. And congress is only in session 6 months out of the year.
This may be an improvement for them.I've kinda reached the conclusion that you may be smarter then your dad...
do you look like your mom -too?:p:D
It bothers me that her daughter is pregnant, I think it does reflect on a lack of teaching and training in the home, it could be because of her absence at work, it may be that with her being there it still would have happen because she did not teach her daughter better morals.
I don't know for sure, but I do know that if they get elected they are going to have way more time together as a family since the VP doesn’t do anything. And congress is only in session 6 months out of the year.
This may be an improvement for them.I've kinda reached the conclusion that you may be smarter then your dad...
do you look like your mom -too?:p:D
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spot;971319 wrote: No chance, I'm watching you both like a hawk here.
and i've just the seat for you to be watching from, don't i sweetie?:sneaky::D
and i've just the seat for you to be watching from, don't i sweetie?:sneaky::D
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Lets talk about Palins "experience"
The kind of experience being thrown out declaring her fit to step into the position of Commander in Chief if needed on day 1.
Fact:
Sarah Palin is Governor of Alaska.
Fact:
Alaska, with a land area one-fifth the size of the conterminous US, ranked 47th in population in 2002 with an estimated total of 643,786.
The mayor of Minneapolis contends with a population much higher than that figure. Is the mayor of Minneapolis or any other city with an equal population prepared to be the leader of the most powerful nation in the world ?
Fact:
About half of Alaska's residents live in and around Anchorage, whose population was estimated at 268,983 in 2002.
It appears being Governor of Alaska amounts to being in charge of relatively few constituents thus reducing the responsibilities compared to say a state with the population of California.
Fact:
Alaska's population of 643,786 makes it the third least populous state.
The state also boasts the lowest population density in the nation. There is 1.0 person per square mile in Alaska, compared to 71.2 people per square mile for the entire U.S.
Someone please explain to me the true benefit of this minimal training that affords Governor Palin the accolades she is recieving from some of you here.
Gulliani's duties were extremely more demanding than Palins and the country said no.
The kind of experience being thrown out declaring her fit to step into the position of Commander in Chief if needed on day 1.
Fact:
Sarah Palin is Governor of Alaska.
Fact:
Alaska, with a land area one-fifth the size of the conterminous US, ranked 47th in population in 2002 with an estimated total of 643,786.
The mayor of Minneapolis contends with a population much higher than that figure. Is the mayor of Minneapolis or any other city with an equal population prepared to be the leader of the most powerful nation in the world ?
Fact:
About half of Alaska's residents live in and around Anchorage, whose population was estimated at 268,983 in 2002.
It appears being Governor of Alaska amounts to being in charge of relatively few constituents thus reducing the responsibilities compared to say a state with the population of California.
Fact:
Alaska's population of 643,786 makes it the third least populous state.
The state also boasts the lowest population density in the nation. There is 1.0 person per square mile in Alaska, compared to 71.2 people per square mile for the entire U.S.
Someone please explain to me the true benefit of this minimal training that affords Governor Palin the accolades she is recieving from some of you here.
Gulliani's duties were extremely more demanding than Palins and the country said no.
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Unfortunately this position is more than a 3 hour tour...
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Now, nomad... she has been gov for almost two years now..
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Nomad you are so right on about Sarah Palins qualifications. I truly believe McCain and his staff said: Lets give the people what they want, when so many voters were disappointed that Obama did not pick Hillary as his running mate. So they listed all the women that were in politics and Sarah Palin was just what he wanted. No experience, pretty, very vocal, tied down with a family, so she would not be a challenge to him, BUT she is female. The H with what happens if he should pass away. He wouldn't be around. To be trueful it really scares me.
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Lindsay Lohan turns political commentator
11:57AM Wednesday September 03, 2008
NEW YORK - Lindsay Lohan is getting political.
The 22-year-old actress took to her MySpace blog yesterday to post her thoughts on Republican John McCain's running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, and the revelation that Palin's unmarried 17-year-old daughter is pregnant.
"I've been watching the news all morning, like everyone else - and (I) keep hearing about the issues related to 'teen pregnancy.' ... Well, I think the real problem comes from the fact that we are taking the focus off of getting to know Sarah Palin and her political views, and what she can do to make our country a less destructive place," Lohan wrote.
Lohan suggested Palin "focus on delivering some words and policy with stronger impact like Joe Biden," Democrat Barack Obama's running mate.
The actress, who will guest star on ABC's television show "Ugly Betty" this season, then put out a plea to parents.
"I think that parents need to recognise how important it is to talk to their children about the things that can result from being sexually active if they aren't protecting themselves (birth control, condoms, etc.)," she wrote.
it always bothers me when these kids come off sounding smarter then us in here...:wah:
11:57AM Wednesday September 03, 2008
NEW YORK - Lindsay Lohan is getting political.
The 22-year-old actress took to her MySpace blog yesterday to post her thoughts on Republican John McCain's running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, and the revelation that Palin's unmarried 17-year-old daughter is pregnant.
"I've been watching the news all morning, like everyone else - and (I) keep hearing about the issues related to 'teen pregnancy.' ... Well, I think the real problem comes from the fact that we are taking the focus off of getting to know Sarah Palin and her political views, and what she can do to make our country a less destructive place," Lohan wrote.
Lohan suggested Palin "focus on delivering some words and policy with stronger impact like Joe Biden," Democrat Barack Obama's running mate.
The actress, who will guest star on ABC's television show "Ugly Betty" this season, then put out a plea to parents.
"I think that parents need to recognise how important it is to talk to their children about the things that can result from being sexually active if they aren't protecting themselves (birth control, condoms, etc.)," she wrote.
it always bothers me when these kids come off sounding smarter then us in here...:wah:
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See the little yellow and orange markings ?
Thats where the majority of the people in Alaska live. So when they tell you Palin manages the largest state in the US dont believe the hype.
Thats where the majority of the people in Alaska live. So when they tell you Palin manages the largest state in the US dont believe the hype.
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which way are you leaning here, nomad...
:wah:
:wah:
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Im saying her job about amounts to that of being the mayor of any city America.
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hoppy;971203 wrote: I snapped again, didn't I? Sorry floppy, my original post was meant to be a joke. No harm intended.
Life can be tough when you are a cantankerous old fart with a hair trigger temper.
Yer a good man, Hoppy. Flops can handle herself. I need to step back a bit myself.
Life can be tough when you are a cantankerous old fart with a hair trigger temper.
Yer a good man, Hoppy. Flops can handle herself. I need to step back a bit myself.
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Accountable;971877 wrote: Yer a good man, Hoppy. Flops can handle herself. I need to step back a bit myself.
You have any idea what it's like to be me some days AC? You are the only person in any of my worlds that ever feels the need to protect me.. ever..
and that just kicks my ass, babe...:-4
You have any idea what it's like to be me some days AC? You are the only person in any of my worlds that ever feels the need to protect me.. ever..
and that just kicks my ass, babe...:-4
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flopstock;971881 wrote: You have any idea what it's like to be me some days AC? You are the only person in any of my worlds that ever feels the need to protect me.. ever..
and that just kicks my ass, babe...:-4
My life's mission is to kick your ass, sweetheart. :-6
and that just kicks my ass, babe...:-4
My life's mission is to kick your ass, sweetheart. :-6
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Sarah's speech tonight must be outstanding for it will determine the success or failure of McCain's campaign.
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flopstock;970692 wrote: You're not getting MY point K. They come knocking on MY door and I have a daughter going through this, I'm gonna make a point to stop and consider whether it is worth it to me for her to be thrust into the spotlight like this in an attempt to take me down politically.. Going after her personally - I say stand up and flip off the world... to know that your daughter is going to be thrown out there as a weapon... yikes! Obama and everyone else can say that families are not to be dragged in... we all know they will be..
Not worth it to me for a moment... for her, it apparently was. I'll judge her on that choice.
I understand...
The people are vultures and unethical in this regard in my opinion...
And for Gods sake people leave Brittany Spears alone...I don't blame her for chopping all of her hair off...Just leave her alone...
Not worth it to me for a moment... for her, it apparently was. I'll judge her on that choice.
I understand...
The people are vultures and unethical in this regard in my opinion...
And for Gods sake people leave Brittany Spears alone...I don't blame her for chopping all of her hair off...Just leave her alone...
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Nomad;971638 wrote:
Someone please explain to me the true benefit of this minimal training that affords Governor Palin the accolades she is recieving from some of you here.
Gulliani's duties were extremely more demanding than Palins and the country said no.
First of all Gulliani isn't running for office. If he was he would be much more qualified than Palin.
The fact is she is running against a guy who's had the job of flapping his jaw for 36 years.
The fact is that being in the position where the buck stops whether it be Mayor of a small town or Governor of a State with a relatively small population it is real life experience making decisions. She has made decisions that change people lives for better or worse. She has selected and directed staff and been the executive branch of two governments dealing with the legislative and judicial branches to get things done. She is running against two guys who have critcized people who do those jobs but they haven't a clue what it means to sit in the hot seat.
Someone please explain to me the true benefit of this minimal training that affords Governor Palin the accolades she is recieving from some of you here.
Gulliani's duties were extremely more demanding than Palins and the country said no.
First of all Gulliani isn't running for office. If he was he would be much more qualified than Palin.
The fact is she is running against a guy who's had the job of flapping his jaw for 36 years.
The fact is that being in the position where the buck stops whether it be Mayor of a small town or Governor of a State with a relatively small population it is real life experience making decisions. She has made decisions that change people lives for better or worse. She has selected and directed staff and been the executive branch of two governments dealing with the legislative and judicial branches to get things done. She is running against two guys who have critcized people who do those jobs but they haven't a clue what it means to sit in the hot seat.
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hoppy;970955 wrote: I know one thing fer sure. Sarah Palin is THE ONLY vice presidential candidate I EVER wanted to see naked.:p
She is cute isn't she?...
I think I'll vote for her...
:yh_bigsmi...
She is cute isn't she?...
I think I'll vote for her...
:yh_bigsmi...
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I thought Palin did a great job with her speech tonight.
Very composed for a young gal from a small town.
Palin may not have wanted a Bridge constructed in Alaska
but I feel Palin is Bridging a gap that Obama & Biden can't get to.
Congrats to Palin
Patsy
Very composed for a young gal from a small town.
Palin may not have wanted a Bridge constructed in Alaska
but I feel Palin is Bridging a gap that Obama & Biden can't get to.
Congrats to Palin
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Patsy Warnick;972017 wrote: I thought Palin did a great job with her speech tonight.
Very composed for a young gal from a small town.
Palin may not have wanted a Bridge constructed in Alaska
but I feel Palin is Bridging a gap that Obama & Biden can't get to.
Congrats to Palin
Patsy
Very impressive! I think both parties got the nominees backwards.
Very composed for a young gal from a small town.
Palin may not have wanted a Bridge constructed in Alaska
but I feel Palin is Bridging a gap that Obama & Biden can't get to.
Congrats to Palin
Patsy
Very impressive! I think both parties got the nominees backwards.
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Patsy Warnick;972017 wrote: I thought Palin did a great job with her speech tonight.
Very composed for a young gal from a small town.
Palin may not have wanted a Bridge constructed in Alaska
but I feel Palin is Bridging a gap that Obama & Biden can't get to.
Congrats to Palin
Patsy
Interesting how we can be swayed by dynamic speakers isnt it ?
Whats not to love about her ?
Shes got pretty eyes and a sexy smile and she can pack a punch !
Shes direct and coy and she can work a crowd. Her arguments were reasonable (except the part about Iraq because we never should have gone in in the 1st place)
But.......
She was only reading a speech that was written for her. She did it very well but why does a good orater get a job in the White House ?
Im sure theres someone down at City Hall here who can give good speeches.
All Im saying is its easy to get wooed and shes a hell of a wooer.
Eyes still wide open here in Chaska.
Very composed for a young gal from a small town.
Palin may not have wanted a Bridge constructed in Alaska
but I feel Palin is Bridging a gap that Obama & Biden can't get to.
Congrats to Palin
Patsy
Interesting how we can be swayed by dynamic speakers isnt it ?
Whats not to love about her ?
Shes got pretty eyes and a sexy smile and she can pack a punch !
Shes direct and coy and she can work a crowd. Her arguments were reasonable (except the part about Iraq because we never should have gone in in the 1st place)
But.......
She was only reading a speech that was written for her. She did it very well but why does a good orater get a job in the White House ?
Im sure theres someone down at City Hall here who can give good speeches.
All Im saying is its easy to get wooed and shes a hell of a wooer.
Eyes still wide open here in Chaska.
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This looks very much like one of our members here. Shes a beach bum and enjoys stuffing poi in her face.
Guess ?
Guess ?
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Patsy Warnick;972017 wrote: I thought Palin did a great job with her speech tonight.
Very composed for a young gal from a small town.
Palin may not have wanted a Bridge constructed in Alaska
but I feel Palin is Bridging a gap that Obama & Biden can't get to.
Congrats to Palin
Patsy
Way to go Sarah.
I smell fear in the air this morning, and it reeks the stink of the democratic party. :wah::wah::wah::wah:
Very composed for a young gal from a small town.
Palin may not have wanted a Bridge constructed in Alaska
but I feel Palin is Bridging a gap that Obama & Biden can't get to.
Congrats to Palin
Patsy
Way to go Sarah.
I smell fear in the air this morning, and it reeks the stink of the democratic party. :wah::wah::wah::wah:
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Nomad;972096 wrote: Interesting how we can be swayed by dynamic speakers isnt it ?
Whats not to love about her ?
Shes got pretty eyes and a sexy smile and she can pack a punch !
Shes direct and coy and she can work a crowd. Her arguments were reasonable (except the part about Iraq because we never should have gone in in the 1st place)
But.......
She was only reading a speech that was written for her. She did it very well but why does a good orater get a job in the White House ?
Im sure theres someone down at City Hall here who can give good speeches.
All Im saying is its easy to get wooed and shes a hell of a wooer.
Eyes still wide open here in Chaska.
Unlike nobama's speeches, huh? So far, it looks like giving speeches is ALL Obama ever did. Oh yeah, he voted 'present' 100+ times. Wow.
Whats not to love about her ?
Shes got pretty eyes and a sexy smile and she can pack a punch !
Shes direct and coy and she can work a crowd. Her arguments were reasonable (except the part about Iraq because we never should have gone in in the 1st place)
But.......
She was only reading a speech that was written for her. She did it very well but why does a good orater get a job in the White House ?
Im sure theres someone down at City Hall here who can give good speeches.
All Im saying is its easy to get wooed and shes a hell of a wooer.
Eyes still wide open here in Chaska.
Unlike nobama's speeches, huh? So far, it looks like giving speeches is ALL Obama ever did. Oh yeah, he voted 'present' 100+ times. Wow.
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hoppy;972180 wrote: Unlike nobama's speeches, huh? So far, it looks like giving speeches is ALL Obama ever did. Oh yeah, he voted 'present' 100+ times. Wow.
You win.
You win.
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Nomad;972198 wrote: You win.
Thankyew, thankuvermuch.
Thankyew, thankuvermuch.
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Why is it that Obama hadn't selected Hilary Clinton to be his running mate?...Seems to me like the Democrates would have received many more votes had such been the case...
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K.Snyder;972555 wrote: Why is it that Obama hadn't selected Hilary Clinton to be his running mate?...Seems to me like the Democrates would have received many more votes had such been the case... I posted an article from one of our national papers on my thread "Obama or Mccain" from a respected colomnist. In it she claimed Obama would have alienated the vote of many women by not going with Clinton as his running mate. As she pointed out, Clinton had millions of votes that he could have done with. I would have voted for Obama in this country but the big tinsletown "New messiah" act doesn't work. Madonna was recently slated in our press for the opening night of her new tour in Cardiff Wales. To her new single she flashed up images on a screen of McCain with Hitler & Robert Mugabe. Obama was flashed up with John lennon, mother Theresa etc. Oh get real Madonna. Do you not realise British fans hate their music icons getting political?? Remember how quickly Sting fell out of favour in this country?? To show McCain in the same light as Hitler is nothing but an insult. One is a hero war vet, the other a murdering B----rd.
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I realise the speech was written for Palin.
What's that club professionals join to refine public speaking.? anyway
it's all in the delivery - she did a great job.
Palin looks like a librarian and during the speech I was actually waiting for
Palin to pull her glasses off
let her hair down
scream - I AM WOMAN...!!!
I get the feeling alot of men are attracted to Palin.
Perhaps McCain made a great choice..
I'm still undecided on voting.??
Patsy
What's that club professionals join to refine public speaking.? anyway
it's all in the delivery - she did a great job.
Palin looks like a librarian and during the speech I was actually waiting for
Palin to pull her glasses off
let her hair down
scream - I AM WOMAN...!!!
I get the feeling alot of men are attracted to Palin.
Perhaps McCain made a great choice..
I'm still undecided on voting.??
Patsy
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flopstock;971066 wrote: I think we have an opportunity to take this crap fest and turn it into a learning experience for our kids.
Ask your daughter what she thinks will happen. Ask her if the answers would be different for the average girl in her school. Ask her if she thinks for one moment that this womans daughter thought this could happen to her and her boyfriend..
Ask her what she thinks of the fact that everyone, friends and strangers alike think they are entitled to judge this girl who didn't think it would happen to her and her parents.
Then ask her if she can be brave enough to ask for contraception before she gets herself into a similar situation. Ask her if she can be smart enough to talk to you before doing something that may have dire consequences in her future.
If nothing else good comes from this, I hope we talk with our own kids.
I posted earlier that I have talked to both of my daughter's about dating/boys & sex. And I'm hoping if they are as smart as I think they are, that they will both use their heads and use birth control if they get to the point where the relationship starts to get serious.
I would however, never force them into marriage at such a young age or any age for that matter if they were to become pregnant. That is entirely up to them and their SO. It wouldn't change the fact that I would still love them.
And I would also hope that they would never consider dropping out of high school, because that would not be an option in my house, no matter what.
Ask your daughter what she thinks will happen. Ask her if the answers would be different for the average girl in her school. Ask her if she thinks for one moment that this womans daughter thought this could happen to her and her boyfriend..
Ask her what she thinks of the fact that everyone, friends and strangers alike think they are entitled to judge this girl who didn't think it would happen to her and her parents.
Then ask her if she can be brave enough to ask for contraception before she gets herself into a similar situation. Ask her if she can be smart enough to talk to you before doing something that may have dire consequences in her future.
If nothing else good comes from this, I hope we talk with our own kids.
I posted earlier that I have talked to both of my daughter's about dating/boys & sex. And I'm hoping if they are as smart as I think they are, that they will both use their heads and use birth control if they get to the point where the relationship starts to get serious.
I would however, never force them into marriage at such a young age or any age for that matter if they were to become pregnant. That is entirely up to them and their SO. It wouldn't change the fact that I would still love them.
And I would also hope that they would never consider dropping out of high school, because that would not be an option in my house, no matter what.
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oscar;972580 wrote: I posted an article from one of our national papers on my thread "Obama or Mccain" from a respected colomnist. In it she claimed Obama would have alienated the vote of many women by not going with Clinton as his running mate. As she pointed out, Clinton had millions of votes that he could have done with. I would have voted for Obama in this country but the big tinsletown "New messiah" act doesn't work. Madonna was recently slated in our press for the opening night of her new tour in Cardiff Wales. To her new single she flashed up images on a screen of McCain with Hitler & Robert Mugabe. Obama was flashed up with John lennon, mother Theresa etc. Oh get real Madonna. Do you not realise British fans hate their music icons getting political?? Remember how quickly Sting fell out of favour in this country?? To show McCain in the same light as Hitler is nothing but an insult. One is a hero war vet, the other a murdering B----rd.
I agree...
There is obviously something behind the scenes that I'm not aware of...For anyone to think that Obama didn't have a much higher chance of winning office with Hilary as his running mate than anyone else at all seems too naive as far as I'm concerned...
I think Hilary's taken this campaign a bit too personally, or could be vica versa, but I think Hilary refused as possibly her pride is at stake at the same time if Obama had refused I feel was a horrid political move...
I agree...
There is obviously something behind the scenes that I'm not aware of...For anyone to think that Obama didn't have a much higher chance of winning office with Hilary as his running mate than anyone else at all seems too naive as far as I'm concerned...
I think Hilary's taken this campaign a bit too personally, or could be vica versa, but I think Hilary refused as possibly her pride is at stake at the same time if Obama had refused I feel was a horrid political move...
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K.Snyder;972645 wrote: I agree...
There is obviously something behind the scenes that I'm not aware of...For anyone to think that Obama didn't have a much higher chance of winning office with Hilary as his running mate than anyone else at all seems too naive as far as I'm concerned...
I think Hilary's taken this campaign a bit too personally, or could be vica versa, but I think Hilary refused as possibly her pride is at stake at the same time if Obama had refused I feel was a horrid political move...
Which ultimately I think the entire reason why Palin was selected as McCains' running mate is because Hilary is not Obamas' running mate...
Blatantly obvious that Palin is a tool to win the election for McCain..."Woman sympathizers"...
There is obviously something behind the scenes that I'm not aware of...For anyone to think that Obama didn't have a much higher chance of winning office with Hilary as his running mate than anyone else at all seems too naive as far as I'm concerned...
I think Hilary's taken this campaign a bit too personally, or could be vica versa, but I think Hilary refused as possibly her pride is at stake at the same time if Obama had refused I feel was a horrid political move...
Which ultimately I think the entire reason why Palin was selected as McCains' running mate is because Hilary is not Obamas' running mate...
Blatantly obvious that Palin is a tool to win the election for McCain..."Woman sympathizers"...
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oscar;972580 wrote: One is a hero war vet, the other a murdering B----rd.Pardon my raised eyebrow but wasn't John McCain "flying his 23rd bombing mission over North Vietnam when his A-4E Skyhawk was shot down by a missile over Hanoi" when he was captured? I seem to remember two and a half million Vietnamese were killed by America's self-interested ideological involvement in Indochina and most of them were civilians. That's pretty shoddy credentials in my eyes.
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spot;972823 wrote: Pardon my raised eyebrow but wasn't John McCain "flying his 23rd bombing mission over North Vietnam when his A-4E Skyhawk was shot down by a missile over Hanoi" when he was captured? I seem to remember two and a half million Vietnamese were killed by America's self-interested ideological involvement in Indochina and most of them were civilians. That's pretty shoddy credentials in my eyes.
Why hadn't the Vietnamese surrendered their arms then?...Those Northern Vietnamese combatants were out to kill Americans lest we forget...
What's left is the defense in wondering if the Americans would kill all those surrendered...I don't think for a minute anyone would substantiate those claims...
Would Vietnam have a more successful economy and healthier lifestyles upon unchallenged American involvement in Indochina or not?...
Why hadn't the Vietnamese surrendered their arms then?...Those Northern Vietnamese combatants were out to kill Americans lest we forget...
What's left is the defense in wondering if the Americans would kill all those surrendered...I don't think for a minute anyone would substantiate those claims...
Would Vietnam have a more successful economy and healthier lifestyles upon unchallenged American involvement in Indochina or not?...
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K.Snyder;972836 wrote: Why hadn't the Vietnamese surrendered their arms then?...Those Northern Vietnamese combatants were out to kill Americans lest we forget...Those Americans were, after all, on Vietnamese territory. Why on earth should the Viet Cong have surrendered their arms to them? They fought and they won and a good thing too, it set back large-scale US military interventions elsewhere in the world by a generation.
K.Snyder wrote: What's left is the defense in wondering if the Americans would kill all those surrendered...I don't think for a minute anyone would substantiate those claims...I don't think for a minute anyone has ever claimed that the Americans would kill all those surrendered. What claims are these you're talking about?
K.Snyder wrote: Would Vietnam have a more successful economy and healthier lifestyles upon unchallenged American involvement in Indochina or not?...How could they not have been? American involvement killed two and a half million Vietnamese and polarized what was originally a nationalist movement into a communist one out of reaction to the American presence and the need to get arms abroad. The country was quite happily getting on with life until the US chose to side with one faction at the expense of the other. Do you truly think that American intervention created a more successful economy and healthier lifestyles in Vietnam? Could you describe any aspect of Vietnamese life which came out of that conflict improved even slightly?
K.Snyder wrote: What's left is the defense in wondering if the Americans would kill all those surrendered...I don't think for a minute anyone would substantiate those claims...I don't think for a minute anyone has ever claimed that the Americans would kill all those surrendered. What claims are these you're talking about?
K.Snyder wrote: Would Vietnam have a more successful economy and healthier lifestyles upon unchallenged American involvement in Indochina or not?...How could they not have been? American involvement killed two and a half million Vietnamese and polarized what was originally a nationalist movement into a communist one out of reaction to the American presence and the need to get arms abroad. The country was quite happily getting on with life until the US chose to side with one faction at the expense of the other. Do you truly think that American intervention created a more successful economy and healthier lifestyles in Vietnam? Could you describe any aspect of Vietnamese life which came out of that conflict improved even slightly?
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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spot;972862 wrote: Those Americans were, after all, on Vietnamese territory. Why on earth should the Viet Cong have surrendered their arms to them? They fought and they won and a good thing too, it set back large-scale US military interventions elsewhere in the world by a generation.
I don't think for a minute anyone has ever claimed that the Americans would kill all those surrendered. What claims are these you're talking about?
How could they not have been? American involvement killed two and a half million Vietnamese and polarized what was originally a nationalist movement into a communist one out of reaction to the American presence and the need to get arms abroad. The country was quite happily getting on with life until the US chose to side with one faction at the expense of the other. Do you truly think that American intervention created a more successful economy and healthier lifestyles in Vietnam? Could you describe any aspect of Vietnamese life which came out of that conflict improved even slightly?
I was speaking hypothetically...
I'm talking about an ideology that is adjacent to both spectrums...
The Vietnamese did not have to resist because their lives were not in danger otherwise...Which brings me to the hypothetical situation of American involvement in Indochina strengthening their economy which leads to much healthier lifestyles...
It's not about what happened...That's not what I'm asking...I'm asking if you feel that had American intervention in Indochina gone unchallenged would Vietnam have a more elaborate economy leading to healthier lifestyles than they do now...
I don't think for a minute anyone has ever claimed that the Americans would kill all those surrendered. What claims are these you're talking about?
How could they not have been? American involvement killed two and a half million Vietnamese and polarized what was originally a nationalist movement into a communist one out of reaction to the American presence and the need to get arms abroad. The country was quite happily getting on with life until the US chose to side with one faction at the expense of the other. Do you truly think that American intervention created a more successful economy and healthier lifestyles in Vietnam? Could you describe any aspect of Vietnamese life which came out of that conflict improved even slightly?
I was speaking hypothetically...
I'm talking about an ideology that is adjacent to both spectrums...
The Vietnamese did not have to resist because their lives were not in danger otherwise...Which brings me to the hypothetical situation of American involvement in Indochina strengthening their economy which leads to much healthier lifestyles...
It's not about what happened...That's not what I'm asking...I'm asking if you feel that had American intervention in Indochina gone unchallenged would Vietnam have a more elaborate economy leading to healthier lifestyles than they do now...
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K.Snyder;972865 wrote: I was speaking hypothetically...
I'm talking about an ideology that is adjacent to both spectrums...
The Vietnamese did not have to resist because their lives were not in danger otherwise...Which brings me to the hypothetical situation of American involvement in Indochina strengthening their economy which leads to much healthier lifestyles...
It's not about what happened...That's not what I'm asking...I'm asking if you feel that had American intervention in Indochina gone unchallenged would Vietnam have a more elaborate economy leading to healthier lifestyles than they do now...
What you need, to answer that, is an example of a country in which American military intervention went unchallenged and which consequently has a more elaborate economy leading to healthier lifestyles than it did then. Haiti, perhaps - does Haiti have a more elaborate economy leading to healthier lifestyles than it did before US military intervention? Haiti didn't fight back.
I'm talking about an ideology that is adjacent to both spectrums...
The Vietnamese did not have to resist because their lives were not in danger otherwise...Which brings me to the hypothetical situation of American involvement in Indochina strengthening their economy which leads to much healthier lifestyles...
It's not about what happened...That's not what I'm asking...I'm asking if you feel that had American intervention in Indochina gone unchallenged would Vietnam have a more elaborate economy leading to healthier lifestyles than they do now...
What you need, to answer that, is an example of a country in which American military intervention went unchallenged and which consequently has a more elaborate economy leading to healthier lifestyles than it did then. Haiti, perhaps - does Haiti have a more elaborate economy leading to healthier lifestyles than it did before US military intervention? Haiti didn't fight back.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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spot;972886 wrote: What you need, to answer that, is an example of a country in which American military intervention went unchallenged and which consequently has a more elaborate economy leading to healthier lifestyles than it did then. Haiti, perhaps - does Haiti have a more elaborate economy leading to healthier lifestyles than it did before US military intervention? Haiti didn't fight back.
Haiti is imprudent because Haiti is still being occupied and still very much the epitome of a nation completely and utterly incapable of becoming sovereign now or any time in the near future...
Just for the sake of continued occupation being relevant how about South Korea...Why is it that countless Northern Koreans have and still do wish to move to South Korea as opposed to living in North Korea today?...
Do you feel South Korea has a better economy today then prior to US aid?...
Haiti is imprudent because Haiti is still being occupied and still very much the epitome of a nation completely and utterly incapable of becoming sovereign now or any time in the near future...
Just for the sake of continued occupation being relevant how about South Korea...Why is it that countless Northern Koreans have and still do wish to move to South Korea as opposed to living in North Korea today?...
Do you feel South Korea has a better economy today then prior to US aid?...
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K.Snyder;972915 wrote: Haiti is imprudent because Haiti is still being occupied and still very much the epitome of a nation completely and utterly incapable of becoming sovereign now or any time in the near future...
Just for the sake of continued occupation being relevant how about South Korea...Why is it that countless Northern Koreans have and still do wish to move to South Korea as opposed to living in North Korea today?...
Do you feel South Korea has a better economy today then prior to US aid?...
Korea as a whole hasn't. If the US hadn't intervened then the Korean civil war would have been brief and far less bloody, Korea would still be one country instead of two, it would be a normal nation without a dividing partition and I'm pretty certain it would be prosperous. Like China is, for example. All that US involvement in Korea achieved was a bloodbath and a permanently rabid communist North that's still frothing at the mouth. Civil wars that run their course end up with compromise and progress. Stalemates like Korea end up with permanent hostility and suspicion.
Just for the sake of continued occupation being relevant how about South Korea...Why is it that countless Northern Koreans have and still do wish to move to South Korea as opposed to living in North Korea today?...
Do you feel South Korea has a better economy today then prior to US aid?...
Korea as a whole hasn't. If the US hadn't intervened then the Korean civil war would have been brief and far less bloody, Korea would still be one country instead of two, it would be a normal nation without a dividing partition and I'm pretty certain it would be prosperous. Like China is, for example. All that US involvement in Korea achieved was a bloodbath and a permanently rabid communist North that's still frothing at the mouth. Civil wars that run their course end up with compromise and progress. Stalemates like Korea end up with permanent hostility and suspicion.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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spot;972918 wrote: Korea as a whole hasn't. If the US hadn't intervened then the Korean civil war would have been brief and far less bloody, Korea would still be one country instead of two, it would be a normal nation without a dividing partition and I'm pretty certain it would be prosperous. Like China is, for example. All that US involvement in Korea achieved was a bloodbath and a permanently rabid communist North that's still frothing at the mouth. Civil wars that run their course end up with compromise and progress. Stalemates like Korea end up with permanent hostility and suspicion.
I cannot agree that "If the US hadn't intervened then the Korean civil war would have been brief and far less bloody"...Not for a minute...By you're speculating the Korean war would be "far less bloody" I could just as easily say that it would have been far more bloody had the US not intervened because the Korean War could still be going on today had they not...There has been the 100 years war but none the less makes my point...
Obviously we're veering from the subject of this thread so I'll end in saying that I'm not trying to contradict you and without trying to justify every war the United States of America has been involved in I will say that there isn't one ounce of me that believes the US' motives is to ruin countries without the intent on bettering said country...
I cannot agree that "If the US hadn't intervened then the Korean civil war would have been brief and far less bloody"...Not for a minute...By you're speculating the Korean war would be "far less bloody" I could just as easily say that it would have been far more bloody had the US not intervened because the Korean War could still be going on today had they not...There has been the 100 years war but none the less makes my point...
Obviously we're veering from the subject of this thread so I'll end in saying that I'm not trying to contradict you and without trying to justify every war the United States of America has been involved in I will say that there isn't one ounce of me that believes the US' motives is to ruin countries without the intent on bettering said country...
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K.Snyder;972935 wrote: I cannot agree that "If the US hadn't intervened then the Korean civil war would have been brief and far less bloody"...Not for a minute...By you're speculating the Korean war would be "far less bloody" I could just as easily say that it would have been far more bloody had the US not intervened because the Korean War could still be going on today had they not...There has been the 100 years war but none the less makes my point...
Obviously we're veering from the subject of this thread so I'll end in saying that I'm not trying to contradict you and without trying to justify every war the United States of America has been involved in I will say that there isn't one ounce of me that believes the US' motives is to ruin countries without the intent on bettering said country...
If that's their motive you'll at least admit, I hope, that they're shockingly incompetent and they pay no attention to history or precedent since they've never achieved that result. Even - to go back before the period we're discussing - the reconstruction of Japan and Germany were afterthoughts dictated by post-war politics, the idea that the US fought either of them with an "intent on bettering said country" is grim gallows-humour.
Can you think of a single civil war that's gone on for sixty years? I can't. "the Korean War could still be going on today had they not" would make it unique in all history. Given how close the Korean civil war came to an early end before US troops arrived in large numbers I don't see how you can justify that prediction.
Obviously we're veering from the subject of this thread so I'll end in saying that I'm not trying to contradict you and without trying to justify every war the United States of America has been involved in I will say that there isn't one ounce of me that believes the US' motives is to ruin countries without the intent on bettering said country...
If that's their motive you'll at least admit, I hope, that they're shockingly incompetent and they pay no attention to history or precedent since they've never achieved that result. Even - to go back before the period we're discussing - the reconstruction of Japan and Germany were afterthoughts dictated by post-war politics, the idea that the US fought either of them with an "intent on bettering said country" is grim gallows-humour.
Can you think of a single civil war that's gone on for sixty years? I can't. "the Korean War could still be going on today had they not" would make it unique in all history. Given how close the Korean civil war came to an early end before US troops arrived in large numbers I don't see how you can justify that prediction.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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spot;972997 wrote: If that's their motive you'll at least admit, I hope, that they're shockingly incompetent and they pay no attention to history or precedent since they've never achieved that result. Even - to go back before the period we're discussing - the reconstruction of Japan and Germany were afterthoughts dictated by post-war politics, the idea that the US fought either of them with an "intent on bettering said country" is grim gallows-humour. Politicians never have and from an overall standpoint never will impress me...
None the less motive shouldn't be confused with intent nor even circumstantial intent...The fact of the matter is is that the government of the United States has never engaged in war without the expectation of creating a healthier lifestyle for all peoples involved from my own observation and that hasn't changed to date...What's left is to leave people to decide but the fact still remains that the United States government does not make it a virtue of theirs to kill prisoners of war nor does the United States government intend on weakening said countries' economy...Having said that anyone opposed to the United States government does not have to fight back in reference to their well being...
spot;972997 wrote:
Can you think of a single civil war that's gone on for sixty years? I can't. "the Korean War could still be going on today had they not" would make it unique in all history. Given how close the Korean civil war came to an early end before US troops arrived in large numbers I don't see how you can justify that prediction. Why is it that South Korea wished for the US' assistance if the situation had resolved and why is it that a very large percentage of North Koreans wish to escape from North Korea to South Korea and are not permitted?...Seems to me like North Korea is caging their own people...That's not very nice...
None the less motive shouldn't be confused with intent nor even circumstantial intent...The fact of the matter is is that the government of the United States has never engaged in war without the expectation of creating a healthier lifestyle for all peoples involved from my own observation and that hasn't changed to date...What's left is to leave people to decide but the fact still remains that the United States government does not make it a virtue of theirs to kill prisoners of war nor does the United States government intend on weakening said countries' economy...Having said that anyone opposed to the United States government does not have to fight back in reference to their well being...
spot;972997 wrote:
Can you think of a single civil war that's gone on for sixty years? I can't. "the Korean War could still be going on today had they not" would make it unique in all history. Given how close the Korean civil war came to an early end before US troops arrived in large numbers I don't see how you can justify that prediction. Why is it that South Korea wished for the US' assistance if the situation had resolved and why is it that a very large percentage of North Koreans wish to escape from North Korea to South Korea and are not permitted?...Seems to me like North Korea is caging their own people...That's not very nice...
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K.Snyder;972935 wrote: I cannot agree that "If the US hadn't intervened then the Korean civil war would have been brief and far less bloody"...Not for a minute...By you're speculating the Korean war would be "far less bloody" I could just as easily say that it would have been far more bloody had the US not intervened because the Korean War could still be going on today had they not...There has been the 100 years war but none the less makes my point...
Obviously we're veering from the subject of this thread so I'll end in saying that I'm not trying to contradict you and without trying to justify every war the United States of America has been involved in I will say that there isn't one ounce of me that believes the US' motives is to ruin countries without the intent on bettering said country... That's odd Spot. This chap seems to being saying the exact same thing about you veering from the subject as i have just posted on another thread. I'll stick with this guy Spot. He really seems to know what he's talking about. Maybe it's because it's his country your talking about?
Obviously we're veering from the subject of this thread so I'll end in saying that I'm not trying to contradict you and without trying to justify every war the United States of America has been involved in I will say that there isn't one ounce of me that believes the US' motives is to ruin countries without the intent on bettering said country... That's odd Spot. This chap seems to being saying the exact same thing about you veering from the subject as i have just posted on another thread. I'll stick with this guy Spot. He really seems to know what he's talking about. Maybe it's because it's his country your talking about?
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K.Snyder;973029 wrote: Why is it that South Korea wished for the US' assistance if the situation had resolved and why is it that a very large percentage of North Koreans wish to escape from North Korea to South Korea and are not permitted?...Seems to me like North Korea is caging their own people...That's not very nice...
If you check your history book the South Koreans were within an ace of losing before the US moved in large numbers of troops to shore them up. The resolution I was talking about was a win by the other side in the civil war, not the US-sponsored South.
The condition of North Korea since the stalemate is different to the condition of Korea before the civil war broke out. The fact that it's deteriorated over the years is a consequence of Korea being divided. Had there been no US military intervention the country wouldn't have been divided and the whole of Korea would have progressed differently. Wherever it went it couldn't have ended up with a rogue-state axis-of-evil anti-US mentality that the stalemate has generated in the North. The US creates its own enemies every time it invades. That's because the US needs enemies in order to justify the crippling cost of its armed forces. Other nations prefer health care and social safety nets, America prefers to have enemies and the occasional shot at world domination.
If you check your history book the South Koreans were within an ace of losing before the US moved in large numbers of troops to shore them up. The resolution I was talking about was a win by the other side in the civil war, not the US-sponsored South.
The condition of North Korea since the stalemate is different to the condition of Korea before the civil war broke out. The fact that it's deteriorated over the years is a consequence of Korea being divided. Had there been no US military intervention the country wouldn't have been divided and the whole of Korea would have progressed differently. Wherever it went it couldn't have ended up with a rogue-state axis-of-evil anti-US mentality that the stalemate has generated in the North. The US creates its own enemies every time it invades. That's because the US needs enemies in order to justify the crippling cost of its armed forces. Other nations prefer health care and social safety nets, America prefers to have enemies and the occasional shot at world domination.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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K.Snyder;973029 wrote: the fact still remains that the United States government does not make it a virtue of theirs to kill prisoners of war nor does the United States government intend on weakening said countries' economy...Having said that anyone opposed to the United States government does not have to fight back in reference to their well being...
Which country makes it a virtue of theirs to kill prisoners of war? The only country to refuse to sign the Geneva Convention and accept its rules on the treatment of prisoners of war is the Vatican, last time I checked.
The US has a continual policy of weakening the economy of countries it disapproves of, it's called sanctions. Consider Cuba, for example, or Iraq in the 1990s.
I can just imagine a killer on trial saying "he tried to hit back after I hit him, he had the choice not to" as his defence.
Which country makes it a virtue of theirs to kill prisoners of war? The only country to refuse to sign the Geneva Convention and accept its rules on the treatment of prisoners of war is the Vatican, last time I checked.
The US has a continual policy of weakening the economy of countries it disapproves of, it's called sanctions. Consider Cuba, for example, or Iraq in the 1990s.
I can just imagine a killer on trial saying "he tried to hit back after I hit him, he had the choice not to" as his defence.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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K.Snyder;972645 wrote: I agree...
There is obviously something behind the scenes that I'm not aware of...For anyone to think that Obama didn't have a much higher chance of winning office with Hilary as his running mate than anyone else at all seems too naive as far as I'm concerned...
I think Hilary's taken this campaign a bit too personally, or could be vica versa, but I think Hilary refused as possibly her pride is at stake at the same time if Obama had refused I feel was a horrid political move... I take your point. Some of us can only go by what our press & t.v. expose us to. I don't have alot of time to google, i wish i did, i'd have a bit more knowledge. I really objected to the Madonna thing especially because she did it in our country. I don't think she'd have the balls to do that on a show in the states, she's be lynched. McCain's Vietnam history may not be my most knowledgable topic but putting anyone on a screen with Hitler is an insult. As for the article i talked of, it was writen by a woman. McCain's campaign just seems very low key to the Obama theatracals we're being shown here.
There is obviously something behind the scenes that I'm not aware of...For anyone to think that Obama didn't have a much higher chance of winning office with Hilary as his running mate than anyone else at all seems too naive as far as I'm concerned...
I think Hilary's taken this campaign a bit too personally, or could be vica versa, but I think Hilary refused as possibly her pride is at stake at the same time if Obama had refused I feel was a horrid political move... I take your point. Some of us can only go by what our press & t.v. expose us to. I don't have alot of time to google, i wish i did, i'd have a bit more knowledge. I really objected to the Madonna thing especially because she did it in our country. I don't think she'd have the balls to do that on a show in the states, she's be lynched. McCain's Vietnam history may not be my most knowledgable topic but putting anyone on a screen with Hitler is an insult. As for the article i talked of, it was writen by a woman. McCain's campaign just seems very low key to the Obama theatracals we're being shown here.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon