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Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 8:04 pm
by spot
Shweet tatersalad;468340 wrote: Although I will never retract what i said,I am glad that most of you here understand what i meant,and the others at least have some respect for me as i would you.Do you still, after all this, seriously think it'd be a good idea to thin out the prison population through the spread of HIV? Or are you saying that wasn't what you meant at all.
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Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 8:05 pm
by koan
This thread has never been about whether or not a poster was smart. It has been about the morality of wishing AIDS upon someone for any reason.
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Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 8:19 pm
by Shweet tatersalad
spot;468359 wrote: Do you still, after all this, seriously think it'd be a good idea to thin out the prison population through the spread of HIV? Or are you saying that wasn't what you meant at all.
You got a better idea spot?
I am open too anything constructive that you or anyone else might have too reduce the over crowding in our prisons.Before you answer ,do some research on the subject here in the states.
And I will gladly hear you out,what ever it takes too bring this thread from the redundant repetitious ego tossing carnival it has become.
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Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 8:40 pm
by lady cop
quote from me:
Quote:
having worked in corrections in the past, i have to point out that sexual activity is an offense which will get the inmate a disciplinary hearing, perhaps time in ISO. it may not be realistic to think it doesn't happen, but handing out condoms would appear to condone it.------------- i had the temerity to state a FACT. that sex in prison is illegal. i think i deserve to be ridiculed as well.
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Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 8:49 pm
by Shweet tatersalad
lady cop;468406 wrote: quote from me:
Quote:
having worked in corrections in the past, i have to point out that sexual activity is an offense which will get the inmate a disciplinary hearing, perhaps time in ISO. it may not be realistic to think it doesn't happen, but handing out condoms would appear to condone it.------------- i had the temerity to state a FACT. that sex in prison is illegal. i think i deserve to be ridiculed as well.
I see nothing wrong with what you posted.
I think it was well written and thought out.perhaps if I had written that well my spelling and grammer would not have been questioned.
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:02 pm
by FIRSTBLOOD07
The HIV/AIDS Believer’s Creed
We believe in one HIV
The unique, the exogenous
Killer of all, gay and straight
Even though it is unseen
We believe that HIV causes AIDS
HIV is necessary and sufficient.
First begotten of Robert Gallo
Type A from Type D, even as lentivirus
True gene clone, from pure isolate
Begotten, not made.
Of one being, with the HIV positive
For us and for our extinction
He came down from Africa
By the power of the gay air steward
He became incarnate of Liberace and Freddie Mercury
And was made untouchable.
For our sake they gave us AZT
Some suffered death and were buried
Never to rise again.
In accordance with the dogma
He ascended into the T4 cell
And is inserted into the DNA
Impossible to remove, he will always cause death
And his cash flow will have no end.
We believe in HIV, the virus, the taker of life
Who proceeds from the black man, gay man and drug-user.
With the doctors and scientists he is worshipped and glorified.
He has spoken through the experts.
We believe in one holy, universal Church of HIV/AIDS
We acknowledge that we have taken leave of our critical faculties
We look for AZT and PI’s for all
And employment for all of us in the Church forever.
Amen .........:sneaky:
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:11 pm
by FIRSTBLOOD07
Rodney M Richards,
Independent AIDS Researcher
Louisville CO, 80027
The inappropriate use of antibody tests for the purpose of diagnosing infection with HIV can be traced back to 1987, when the US Centers for Disease Control (CDC) declared: "The presence of antibody indicates current infection." Interestingly, the CDC has never offered any reference to any scientific study to substantiate this claim. According to UNAIDS and the WHO, 25 million humans on this planet have died from infection with a deadly virus, and another 40 million are estimated to be currently infected.
Yet, after 20 years of research supported by $100 billion in public funds, we still don't have a have single diagnostic test approved by any government in the developed world that claims to be able to determine whether or not any given individual is infected with this deadly virus.
This is not a "tiny inconsistency." It is time for the mainstream research community to stop ignoring this serious deficiency in AIDS research; and to redirect funds as well as research efforts to the goal of developing a reliable laboratory test intended for use in diagnosing infection with this virus. The citizens of this planet, especially those suffering the devastating consequences of AIDS, deserve such a test.
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:24 pm
by FIRSTBLOOD07
Hidden Facts and Dangers of HIV Tests
What's in the Fine Print
Remarkable information about HIV tests including the fact that no HIV test has ever been approved by the US Food and Drug Administration for the actual diagnosing of HIV infection.
Few doctors, clinics, journalists, or AIDS organizations know that all current HIV tests are approved only as screening tests, prognostic tests (for predicting a possible future outcome) or as "an aid in diagnosis" and are not intended to be used for determining if a person actually has HIV.
The FDA's lack of such approval speaks to the fact that no HIV test can directly detect or quantify HIV or determine the presence of specific HIV antibodies in human blood.
Recent changes in the fine print of the test kits acknowledge this little known data and seem to indicate a change of thought with regard to the role of HIV in AIDS.
From 1984 until last year, test literature contained the very certain statement that "AIDS is CAUSED by HIV." Then in November of 2002, a new test kit started what now seems to be a trend toward rethinking the causal link between HIV and AIDS. It states, "AIDS, AIDS related complex and pre-AIDS
are THOUGHT TO BE CAUSED by HIV." (OraQuick Rapid HIV-1 Antibody Test, OraSure Technologies, Inc)
Now it appears we've gone from "HIV is thought to cause AIDS," to something even more uncertain: "Published data indicate A STRONG CORRELATION between the acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) and a retrovirus REFERRED TO as Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV)."
This last quote is found in the package insert for a new ELISA test (Vironostika HIV-1 Plus O Microelisa System) the FDA approved in June 2003.
The entire package insert can be downloaded from
According to Alive & Well advisor Dr Rodney Richards, a chemist and co-creator of the very first HIV test, as of June 2003, the number of FDA approved tests that contain the term HIV or LAV (the old school term for the so-called virus) have risen to 36. Of these, 13 have been approved in just the last three years.
Richards points out that "despite the increased number of HIV tests, there is still no manufacturer that claims their test can be used to diagnose infection with HIV. All of the RNA based tests for viral load and genotyping clearly state they are 'NOT intended for use in diagnosing HIV infection.'
Instead of an indication for use in detecting or quantifying the actual virus, these tests are approved only for prognosis or monitoring therapy for people who doctors assume are infected.�
Richards is working on a document to clarify what HIV test
manufacturers mean by the terms "prognosis," "monitoring of therapy," and "aid in the diagnosis of HIV." His report will focus on what the tests cannot do (diagnose HIV infection) and what exactly they can.
At first glance, the rapid tests may appear relatively benign since the manufacturers clearly emphasize that "preliminary positives" must be confirmed with follow up testing. This emphasis is due to the fact that the accuracy of the rapid tests� is widely known to be more questionable than the already dubious HIV ELISA or Western Blot. But the notion that
medical personnel will await confirmation of results before insisting patients take action is entirely misguided since the true market for rapid tests is pregnant women in labor
Incredibly, the recommendation to misuse rapid tests for women in labor comes directly from the Deputy Commissioner of the FDA himself, Dr. Lester M Crawford. The good doctor says "OraQuick will be a great help in identifying pregnant HIV-infected women going into labor who were not tested during pregnancy so that precautionary steps can be taken to block their newborns from being infected with HIV." (FDA News, November 7, 2002)
These precautionary steps include IV infusion of the toxic chemotherapy AZT during labor, C-section delivery, six weeks of mandatory AZT treatment for the baby regardless of their own HIV status, and orders to the mother not to breastfeed. Even though chemotherapy, surgery and denial of normal
feeding are based on preliminary results from a test never approved for detecting HIV infection, a mother who declines such intervention risks losing custody of her child.
Perhaps more remarkable than official calls for misuse of rapid tests is a disclosure by the manufacturer of the OraQuick that 7% of women with a history of prior pregnancy will score falsely positive on their test. Further, the manufacturer of the newly approved Reveal test didn't even evaluate their product in multiparous women.
Worse still, as Dr Richards points out, the rapid tests may soon be routinely administered to women tested negative before labor. "Based on the erroneous belief these tests can actually diagnose HIV infection, doctors may want to retest women in labor whove previously come up negative just to
be sure they haven't seroconverted in the mean time."
Another lucrative market for the rapid tests is among healthcare workers who experience accidental needle sticks or other unintentional contact with patient fluids. As Richard points out, this opens a Pandora's box of potential life-altering situations.
"Imagine a nurse sticks herself with a used needle. Ora-Sure gives her the impression she can find out quickly if that needle is contaminated with HIV. Should the needle score positive, she would then be urged to start prophylactic chemotherapy right away. Of course, if the needle scores positive, hospitals would most likely feel an ethical responsibility to
inform the patient and to urge them to also start 'saving their lives' with AIDS meds. Since there are 600,000 to 1,000,000 accidental needles sticks in the US annually, this is a huge market for both the test and treatment manufacturers."
The great influence of drug and test manufacturers on public health policy, media presentations and among AIDS activist groups may mean that the hidden dangers of rapid tests will remain unknown.
MySpace.com/HIVisaLie
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:12 am
by pantsonfire321@aol.com
spot;468359 wrote: Do you still, after all this, seriously think it'd be a good idea to thin out the prison population through the spread of HIV? Or are you saying that wasn't what you meant at all.
You know i couldn't give a flying *uc* if murderers nonces and rapists die a long lingering death by an AIDS related illness . Infact id go as far as saying its to good for them . If they take the risk then thats their look out why should i care...... they cease to have rights the day they commit the crime that put them in prision in the first place ........

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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 4:45 am
by Accountable
flopstock;470006 wrote: I'm pretty sure that I asked accountable to come get me out of the arcade if there was a chance I would miss everyone acting like a bunch of asses ...
and now I don't have time to play catch up if I hope to get some sleep before my workday begins..
Accountable, you punk!:D

Sorry, I got busy.
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:59 am
by Bill Sikes
Shweet tatersalad;468375 wrote:
Originally Posted by spot
Do you still, after all this, seriously think it'd be a good idea to thin out the prison population through the spread of HIV? Or are you saying that wasn't what you meant at all.
You got a better idea spot?
I am open too anything constructive that you or anyone else might have too reduce the over crowding in our prisons.Before you answer ,do some research on the subject here in the states.
And I will gladly hear you out,what ever it takes too bring this thread from the redundant repetitious ego tossing carnival it has become.
I've been reading this with some interest. That's a "yes" to the first, then?
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:05 am
by Accountable
Bill Sikes;470060 wrote: I've been reading this with some interest. That's a "yes" to the first, then?
Good lord, are you an ER doc, Bill? Resurrecting the dead?
Here's a thought: there are no children in prison, only adults. Adults make their own decisions and take their own chances. Every choice has consequences. Adults must take responsibility and deal with the consequences of their choices ................. including the choice of risking prison and all that happens within those walls.
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:13 am
by Bill Sikes
Accountable;470062 wrote: Good lord, are you an ER doc, Bill? Resurrecting the dead?
Here's a thought: there are no children in prison, only adults. Adults make their own decisions and take their own chances. Every choice has consequences. Adults must take responsibility and deal with the consequences of their choices ................. including the choice of risking prison and all that happens within those walls.
It was just a question, that's all. Yes, or no?
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:17 am
by Bill Sikes
Accountable;470062 wrote: Here's a thought: there are no children in prison, only adults. Adults make their own decisions and take their own chances. Every choice has consequences. Adults must take responsibility and deal with the consequences of their choices ................. including the choice of risking prison and all that happens within those walls.
Did you see my earlier post, saying that about 15% of the UK prison population
have not been convicted of any crime? What about them, as a new question.
Note, I'm not sure whether everyone incarcerated in USAian prisons are
convicted criminals. Perhaps someone else here does know.
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:25 am
by woppy71
lady cop;467025 wrote: i watched this thread with some interest today, and was rather surprised that only few, if any, recognized the inherent insults and ridicule in the initial post. some did, but were intimidated from saying so. snippets of quotes were lifted out of context to facilitate a sarcastic put-down of peoples' comments in the 'aids' thread.
Well LC, I've just read the whole thread. It just seems to re-enforce what I think about certain people. I just can't understand the way some people behave

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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:00 pm
by FIRSTBLOOD07
pantsonfire321@aol.com;470003 wrote: You know i couldn't give a flying *uc* if murderers nonces and rapists die a long lingering death by an AIDS related illness . Infact id go as far as saying its to good for them . If they take the risk then thats their look out why should i care...... they cease to have rights the day they commit the crime that put them in prision in the first place ........
What's an AIDS Related Illness? and What is the Difference if so-called Antibody negative and Antibody Positive people get these so-called Illnesses?
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:12 pm
by pantsonfire321@aol.com
FIRSTBLOOD07;470549 wrote: What's an AIDS Related Illness? and What is the Difference if so-called Antibody negative and Antibody Positive people get these so-called Illnesses?
Its not something i know much about . If the prison population don't want to look out for themselves i sure as hell couldn't care less what happens to them . I simply do not care.
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:19 pm
by FIRSTBLOOD07
pantsonfire321@aol.com;470558 wrote: Its not something i know much about . If the prison population don't want to look out for themselves i sure as hell couldn't care less what happens to them . I simply do not care.
MOST people are Bored with HIV/AIDS because there is No Proof that HIV causes AIDS or that ANYONE in the world is Infected with HIV...
It's a Shame that Some have been Jailed for this reason...and the Ones in Jail or Prison have been given a false diagnosis since HIV testing is Not INTENDED for Screening or Diagnosing HIV infection..
Prisoners weather they be rapists or just average people are usually poisoned with Xtreme Toxic AID$/HIV Drugs.
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:43 pm
by Issie
FIRSTBLOOD07;470562 wrote: MOST people are Bored with HIV/AIDS because there is No Proof that HIV causes AIDS or that ANYONE in the world is Infected with HIV...
It's a Shame that Some have been Jailed for this reason...and the Ones in Jail or Prison have been given a false diagnosis since HIV testing is Not INTENDED for Screening or Diagnosing HIV infection..
Prisoners weather they be rapists or just average people are usually poisoned with Xtreme Toxic AID$/HIV Drugs.
Think you need to read this
http://www.hivtest.org/subindex.cfm?FuseAction=FAQ#1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:55 pm
by FIRSTBLOOD07
Think you need to read this
HIVTEST>ORG
ISSIE Of COURSE you'd Refer me to the Church for an Answer that's what you have been Hyptnotized to do...
I suggest if you or Anyone here at this forum ever do decide to test KNOWING IS BEAUTIFUL.. The so- called HIV test Disclaimers Tell the Truth! NOT Pharmeceutical funded websites...
No one is Shown or Told about the HIV test Kit Disclaimer(the Manufacturers) that The Test is NOT INTENDED to "DIAGNOSE" Humans with HIV and the Fact that NO HIV TEST is FDA approved for "DIAGNOSIS".
HIV Test.org IS NonSpecific as any HIV test...
My Space.com/HIVisaLIE
Scroll over a page or two and read the Hidden facts and DANGERS of HIV tests or just google it..
Good Luck to you.:-6
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 4:16 pm
by FIRSTBLOOD07
Issie;470602 wrote: Think you need to read this
hivtest.org/subindex.cfm?FuseAction=FAQ#1[/url]
wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS[/url]
ISSIE You may also read the OTHER SIDE of (AIDS) WIKI Here:
Reviewingaids.org/awiki/index.php/Main_Page
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:56 pm
by Shweet tatersalad
pantsonfire321@aol.com;470003 wrote: You know i couldn't give a flying *uc* if murderers nonces and rapists die a long lingering death by an AIDS related illness . Infact id go as far as saying its to good for them . If they take the risk then thats their look out why should i care...... they cease to have rights the day they commit the crime that put them in prision in the first place ........
Image in my head:
Attached files
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:05 pm
by FIRSTBLOOD07
Shweet tatersalad;470753 wrote: Image in my head:
FAG/FAGGOT
It has been frequently said that it derives from faggot in the sense of a bundle of sticks, because homosexuals were burned at the stake for sodomy and faggots were used as kindling. A variant on this is that homosexual men were themselves used as kindling. The gay liberation movement of the 1970s promoted this supposed derivation to highlight the historical oppression of homosexual men.
Hence the Derogatory "Flaming Faggot"
Way to go Salad! Phelps and AID$ Inc..
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:43 pm
by Shweet tatersalad
FIRSTBLOOD07;470761 wrote: FAG/FAGGOT
It has been frequently said that it derives from faggot in the sense of a bundle of sticks, because homosexuals were burned at the stake for sodomy and faggots were used as kindling. A variant on this is that homosexual men were themselves used as kindling. The gay liberation movement of the 1970s promoted this supposed derivation to highlight the historical oppression of homosexual men.
Hence the Derogatory "Flaming Faggot"
Way to go Salad! Phelps and AID$ Inc..
Cool,I can't wait for this too be relavent on Jepordy.
I'll take homophobic slang for 300 Alex.
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:45 pm
by guppy
Shweet tatersalad;470780 wrote: Cool,I can't wait for this too be relavent on Jepordy.
I'll take homophobic slang for 300 Alex.
:yh_rotfl :yh_rotfl :yh_rotfl :rolleyes:
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:48 pm
by Shweet tatersalad
flopstock;470006 wrote: I'm pretty sure that I asked accountable to come get me out of the arcade if there was a chance I would miss everyone acting like a bunch of asses ...
and now I don't have time to play catch up if I hope to get some sleep before my workday begins..
Accountable, you punk!:D
I'll assume the usual blah, blah, blah from all sides and just put an end to this by judging-
spot to be wrong..
Why, you might very well ask? Because koan is a big girl who is perfectly capable of standing her own ground. Your only purpose here is to flex your mental muscle and attempt to make us all appear even dumber then we can accomplish on our own..
and koan to be wrong..
Koan is smart enough to realize that had she really been interested in a dialog on the subject rather then a brawl.. she would have written her original post differently.
mrsk and carla to be wrong...
no particular reason, you two just crack me up when you get riled..
tater guy to be wrong...
because instead of stepping in and saying he might not have meant it the way he said it exactly...he waited for a reasonable opportunity ...good luck with that tater...plus you spell as bad as me..:wah:
Snooze is not wrong at all... she volunteered to be wrong in october..she gets a pass this month..
Night kids. Let's keep those posts short, if you wouldn't mind...I'd like an opportunity to read them if I get a chance tomorrow...
Oops..now I'm wrong... because that was a lie.:p
Brilliant,a fitting end too a thread that was of no value too anyone' anyway, about
subject matter that is not important enough too waste time on.(and thanks for the notice of my spelling,Hard too type with my elbows)
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:36 pm
by FIRSTBLOOD07
Shweet tatersalad;470780 wrote: Cool,I can't wait for this too be relavent on Jepordy.
I'll take homophobic slang for 300 Alex.
Didn't know you were HomoPHOBIC..
you get a wammy!
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:01 pm
by Shweet tatersalad
Is wammy a man love thing?
Cuz it sounds alot like a spanky.
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:24 pm
by Shweet tatersalad
Hey come over here and show me your pecs!
Ahhh HOMOyoudon't.
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:00 pm
by FIRSTBLOOD07
I'll Take Anatomy for $20.00 bucks :rolleyes:
Double JeApordy?:sneaky: