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We know that God is real through creation itself ; its complexity . You cannot remove any part of creation , or claim it took billions of years to evolve its complexity; every component must be in place then and there for the system to function;



Irreducible Complexity: The Challenge to the Darwinian Evolutionary Explanations of many Biochemical Structures

Creationism is a vain attempt to come up with an explanation to fit what the Creationists want to believe when they don't like the evidence that Science places in front of them that contradicts it.

FourPart;1501786 wrote: Creationism is a vain attempt to come up with an explanation to fit what the Creationists want to believe when they don't like the evidence that Science places in front of them that contradicts it.


I like the language of creationism ; speaking of language, have you heard the "Language of Junk DNA?"

First Scientific Proof Of God Found - WIT

Mickiel;1501794 wrote: I like the language of creationism ; speaking of language, have you heard the "Language of Junk DNA?"

First Scientific Proof Of God Found - WIT


I take it you believe the Wyoming Institute of Technology to be a real place then?

No, the First Scientific Proof of God Was Not Found

FourPart;1501814 wrote: I take it you believe the Wyoming Institute of Technology to be a real place then?

No, the First Scientific Proof of God Was Not Found




I believe this is real;

Does the Second Law of Thermodynamics Prove the Existence of God?

Typical of Creationism they turn something around to something that it is not. The first definition of the 2nd Law states, quite correctly, "In any closed system". Then the next paragraph goes on to say "Now consider the entire universe as one giant closed system", which it is not, yet it bases the remainder of the article on the premise that it is, when it is known to be expanding. It's like comparing a fridge to the entire kitchen. When the door is kept closed (closed system) heat is kept out, but if the door is left open (open system) then the heat extracted from the fridge & transferred to the kitchen is allowing to return to the fridge. However, of course the kitchen is not a closed environment either. It is open to the rest of the house which, in turn, is open to the rest of the world and, in turn, the rest of the Universe. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is a favourite fallback of Creationists because they either do not understand it, or simply deliberately choose to misrepresent it, or both.

I also find the title of the book cited rather comical - "In Six Days - Why Fifty Scientists Choose to Believe in Creation". Just how many Scientists are there that do NOT believe in Creation. I suspect the number is quite a few more than 50.

It is also rather comical that all Fundamental Nutjob Creationists I have come across profess to be Christians, yet pretty much every Religion in the world has some version of the Creation at their root, seeing as most Religions stem from the same root (much like Evolution, really), yet they don't fanaticise about it. Even the Pope dismisses it & supports Evolution as a fact.

I like these 20 proofs;



20 Arguments For God's Existence | Strange Notions

Arguments are considered proofs now? Some theists are calling them scientific proofs theses days. But that will only keep the sheep under control.

Fuzzy;1501897 wrote: Arguments are considered proofs now? Some theists are calling them scientific proofs theses days. But that will only keep the sheep under control.


I consider "Metamorphosis" as a proof of God, as taken from these 101 proofs of God;



101 Proofs For God: #19 Butterflies and Metamorphosis

I also consider " Entropy" as a proof of God;

https://santitafarella.wordpress.com/20 ... existence/

I don't consider "Anything" as proof of that imaginary ******** and I won't copy/paste anything to backup my consideration either.

Fuzzy;1501971 wrote: I don't consider "Anything" as proof of that imaginary ******** and I won't copy/paste anything to backup my consideration either.


I'll do it for you, "Proteins" are proof of God ;



The Simple Proof of God | Huffington Post

If we had proof of god we wouldn't need belief or faith in the existence of god.

Fuzzy;1501991 wrote: If we had proof of god we wouldn't need belief or faith in the existence of god.




Who needs faith when we have archaeology that proves God ;



Ten Top Biblical Archaeology Discoveries - Biblical Archaeology Society



The Cave of Elijah the Prophet under Threat? - Biblical Archaeology Society



New Clues To King Solomon's Mines Found

https://gotquestions.org/biblical-archaeology.html

What is the Black Obelisk? (Biblical Archaeology, Bible History Online)

Golgatha - place of the Skull

https://www.awesomestories.com/asset/vi ... igh-Priest

Treasures in the Storeroom | The BAS Library

Ishtar Gate - Ancient History Encyclopedia

The Damascus Gate - First Century Jerusalem - Bible History Online

Of course we have the Apostle Peter's house ;

The House of Peter: The Home of Jesus in Capernaum? - Biblical Archaeology Society

One could look at "Membranes."

https://smoodock45.wordpress.com/2015/0 ... -evidence/

Or The Kalam Cosmological Argument :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalam_cos ... l_argument

Some arguments for God don't make sense, but "The Laws of Conversation" will make one think ;

Do Natural Laws Prove That God Exists? A New Wrinkle on an Old Problem | Philosophy Talk

Human language is a proof of God, nothing inside of you created your language, the ability to speak was given to your spirit. Downloaded into you , like a computer. Powered by a designing power that wanted you to express yourself.

Notice;

If You Can Read This, I Can Prove God Exists

On a cellular level in life we can use logic and state that any cell must have come from a pre existing cell; which again lends evidence to there being a God. Their is no scientific evidence that any cell could have created itself. We call this proof , Bio genesis :

Arugment for the existence of God

More help in the consideration of God being real is " The Dead Sea Scrolls." A stunning find , they give us historical human record of God.

25 Fascinating Facts About the Dead Sea Scrolls @ Century One Bookstore

If you like a scientific view of God as proof , look with me here;



Summary of Scientific Evidence for Creation (Part I & II) | The Institute for Creation Research

While we are looking at science for proof , we must then consider "Biogenesis ;"

Arugment for the existence of God

Is God real ?That is a question that I would never allow anyone else to answer for me ; I look into it only for myself. I speak only for myself. This is my view , its what I understand. And I am aware that there are others with some views I agree with , but I am not connected to them in any personal manner. When I post a link to other sites , I do only because I see something I agree with ,but I am not a member of any of those sites.

I really believe in God , and for over 6 years on this thread I have been showing why.

but let me continue to share why ; because I think God himself is not really trying to reveal himself at this time. So anyone searching for evidence are left to deal with only what is there. Its like groping in the dark , trying to find some light.

Is God real , is not going to be easy ; but you will find bits of evidence here and there.

And remember , God can leak evidence in any manner he chooses ; to any medium on earth. And a million mediums will claim that he is communicating with them ; so your consciousness has to deal with all these influences in your search.

To each their own .I personally don't connect myself to any of them , and I hold absolutely no interest in gathering a following myself. I walk alone in my search.

And I pray you peace on how your journey goes. I pray that you suffer well.

Mickiel;1501966 wrote: I also consider " Entropy" as a proof of God;
You would consider Winnie the Pooh as proof of God.

FourPart;1502109 wrote: You would consider Winnie the Pooh as proof of God.




Well I do think bears are proof of God , yes. And many other animals as well ; Look with me ;

Animals That Prove Creation

Mickiel;1502115 wrote: Well I do think bears are proof of God , yes. And many other animals as well ; Look with me ;

Animals That Prove Creation


Pretty much all of that article goes to support Evolution. The list of criteria for transitions for the evolution for a whale, for a start all exist - and more. Everything on there is explained, with supporting evidence, by Evolution. Just what is the page supposed to prove?

Also, somewhere else there something about skin not absorbing oxygen - well it does. So another unfounded claim out of the window.

FourPart;1502120 wrote: Pretty much all of that article goes to support Evolution. The list of criteria for transitions for the evolution for a whale, for a start all exist - and more. Everything on there is explained, with supporting evidence, by Evolution. Just what is the page supposed to prove?

Also, somewhere else there something about skin not absorbing oxygen - well it does. So another unfounded claim out of the window.




You seem like a student , you may like these 6 proofs of God :

Does God Exist - Six Reasons to Believe that God is Really There - Is There a God

Fuzzy;1502126 wrote:




I disagree with that. I think 8747 gods would be more accurate;

https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/ ... false-gods

Its simple to me to go to the information giant ,( the internet), and show proof of God for 6 years running ; evidence for God comes a dime a dozen;

I could snap it up from any where, like this site I know absolutely nothing about , but its available ;

The 7 Most Intriguing Philosophical Arguments for the Existence of God

I mean its out there , millions of sites which offer knowledge of some sort.

Nothing in that article proves anything. It is just a list of things that fanatics like to attribute to some imaginary 'God'. Attributation is not proof of anything. As for the Earth being just the right size - it just doesn't seem to occur to you that life simply adapted to the conditions found on Earth. Water is, indeed, the primary solution for life - mainly because it comprises of Oxygen, which is vital for life. It is also the simplest & most stable chemical compound there is. That is a simple fact of physics. It does not require any sort of Divine intervention. You strike a match & the flame will bring about atoms of Hydrogen & Oxygen to ignite & result in water molecules. There is nothing miraculous about that. Introduce an electrical current & the compound will break down back to its elemental constituents. There are fish that live at the bottom of the oceans where no other creature would be able to survive the pressure. Do you really believe the water was put there specifically for their benefit? Water freezes at the top of water because that is the point where the pressure is lowest & the freezing point is lowest. Ice floats simply because it is less dense, not in order that creatures are able to live underneath.

Further more, there is also current interest in the discovery of what may be Extra Terrestrial Radio Signals currently being investigated by SETI (Mystery Solved: Strange Alien Signal Finally Traced -- Did it Really Come from a Star? : News : Nature World News). I suppose if that does prove to be an Alien civilisation, tehn God created them as well - despite all previous claims that life is only to be found on Earth. Then what about all the examples of the building blocks of life having been discovered on comets & generally floating around in space? Are these supposedly perfect environments? What about extremophiles - creatures that can live & thrive in extreme conditions as cold as liquid nitrogen or as hot as molten lava? These are not imaginary ideas - they are creatures to be found on this very planet. Therefore, if life can exist on this planet under those conditions, why do you believe they couldn't exist on any other? Why do you believe that only a planet such as our own would be able to support life? Life thrives on this planet because it has adapted to do so. The planet wasn't always as it is now, yet there has been life on it for millions of years - lifeforms that have come & gone as conditions changed & they changed with them.

It always strikes me as being funny that Creationists not only seem to deny the possibility that the idea of Evolution might have been part of a God's plan from the start, but that Jesus becomes the only 'true' God all of a sudden, despite there never having been any mention of him at the time of the supposed Creation, yet he is accredited with being responsible for it all. It beggars belief how any ideology can be so arrogant.

FourPart;1502139 wrote: Nothing in that article proves anything. It is just a list of things that fanatics like to attribute to some imaginary 'God'. Attributation is not proof of anything. As for the Earth being just the right size - it just doesn't seem to occur to you that life simply adapted to the conditions found on Earth. Water is, indeed, the primary solution for life - mainly because it comprises of Oxygen, which is vital for life. It is also the simplest & most stable chemical compound there is. That is a simple fact of physics. It does not require any sort of Divine intervention. You strike a match & the flame will bring about atoms of Hydrogen & Oxygen to ignite & result in water molecules. There is nothing miraculous about that. Introduce an electrical current & the compound will break down back to its elemental constituents. There are fish that live at the bottom of the oceans where no other creature would be able to survive the pressure. Do you really believe the water was put there specifically for their benefit? Water freezes at the top of water because that is the point where the pressure is lowest & the freezing point is lowest. Ice floats simply because it is less dense, not in order that creatures are able to live underneath.

Further more, there is also current interest in the discovery of what may be Extra Terrestrial Radio Signals currently being investigated by SETI (Mystery Solved: Strange Alien Signal Finally Traced -- Did it Really Come from a Star? : News : Nature World News). I suppose if that does prove to be an Alien civilisation, tehn God created them as well - despite all previous claims that life is only to be found on Earth. Then what about all the examples of the building blocks of life having been discovered on comets & generally floating around in space? Are these supposedly perfect environments? What about extremophiles - creatures that can live & thrive in extreme conditions as cold as liquid nitrogen or as hot as molten lava? These are not imaginary ideas - they are creatures to be found on this very planet. Therefore, if life can exist on this planet under those conditions, why do you believe they couldn't exist on any other? Why do you believe that only a planet such as our own would be able to support life? Life thrives on this planet because it has adapted to do so. The planet wasn't always as it is now, yet there has been life on it for millions of years - lifeforms that have come & gone as conditions changed & they changed with them.

It always strikes me as being funny that Creationists not only seem to deny the possibility that the idea of Evolution might have been part of a God's plan from the start, but that Jesus becomes the only 'true' God all of a sudden, despite there never having been any mention of him at the time of the supposed Creation, yet he is accredited with being responsible for it all. It beggars belief how any ideology can be so arrogant.




I believe that there may be other planets that could support life , and I don't believe we have found any yet.

I kind of like this guys look at God being real;

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/scientif ... brihaspati

Hey , the proofs are out there , one just has to remove themselves from the narrow minded telescope. Look at this interesting proof;

How Contemporary Physics Points to God | Strange Notions

For 6 years I have been posting proofs of God ;

can anyone provide me with anyone who has posted 6 years worth of evidence that God does not exist?

I would like to see it.

Fuzzy;1502143 wrote:




Interesting video ,I agree with most of what he had to say. I enjoyed it. I think I'll save it.

Will you think with me for a moment? There is no greater question than is God real. I just asked you to think with me ; you could not think if there were no God. Where did thinking come from? You think the first rocks from the far distant past could think? You think the first chemicals from millions of years ago could think? You think thinking just thought of itself?

You think thinking could think without ever thinking before? There must have been a first human, could that first human think? You think it could? Oh so it just had a fully developed consciousness in a poorly developed early stage evolving body? Or you think maybe it could not think at first ; maybe the first 2 thousand humans were deaf and dumb. You think?

Mickiel;1502146 wrote: Will you think with me for a moment? There is no greater question than is God real. I just asked you to think with me ; you could not think if there were no God. Where did thinking come from? You think the first rocks from the far distant past could think? You think the first chemicals from millions of years ago could think? You think thinking just thought of itself?

You think thinking could think without ever thinking before? There must have been a first human, could that first human think? You think it could? Oh so it just had a fully developed consciousness in a poorly developed early stage evolving body? Or you think maybe it could not think at first ; maybe the first 2 thousand humans were deaf and dumb. You think?




You think maybe thinking created itself

just popped out of nowhere and sat on a shelf

or maybe you think the first thought just took time?

from 10 slow years to 20 years if thinking went right

it thought once in the morning and once at night

from 30 to 40 years if the thinking did not go wrong

thinking thought half as often but twice as long

from 40 years to 50 it thought bi weekly

from 50 years to 60 the thinking thought meekly

from 60 years to seventy if thinking became hard to find

the consciousness could take a cold shower and it all was in the mind!

You have never produced ANY proof that God is real. Nobody has because it is impossible to prove the existence of a non-entity. All you have done for the past 6 years is to spout nonsense CLAIMING it to be 'proof'. That LinkedIn article was farcical. A collection of fantasy, attribution & taking things out of context.

FourPart;1502155 wrote: You have never produced ANY proof that God is real. Nobody has because it is impossible to prove the existence of a non-entity. All you have done for the past 6 years is to spout nonsense CLAIMING it to be 'proof'. That LinkedIn article was farcical. A collection of fantasy, attribution & taking things out of context.


They said the same cry baby gripe about not finding proof of the biblical Hittites and then they found it.



Hittite

Mickiel;1502156 wrote: They said the same cry baby gripe about not finding proof of the biblical Hittites and then they found it.



Hittite


I don't know when they said that. I was reading about Hittites when I was in Grade School.

Of course, Hittites are a bit more tangible than God.

But then any God who actually required proof wouldn't be much of a God.

FourPart;1502155 wrote: You have never produced ANY proof that God is real. Nobody has because it is impossible to prove the existence of a non-entity. All you have done for the past 6 years is to spout nonsense CLAIMING it to be 'proof'. That LinkedIn article was farcical. A collection of fantasy, attribution & taking things out of context.




You don't recognize a stunning effort when you see one do you? 6 years of posting evidence for God being real. How about doing as I requested and show us any poster with 6 years of evidence that God is not real?

I don't mind if its faulty evidence , I'll honor the effort ;

lets have it!

LarsMac;1502157 wrote: I don't know when they said that. I was reading about Hittites when I was in Grade School.

Of course, Hittites are a bit more tangible than God.

But then any God who actually required proof wouldn't be much of a God.


God has never required proof from the world that he exist.

This proof thingy is between me and your group;

its just you and me

and anybody else who cares to join the fray.

Fuzzy;1502170 wrote:




The guy wearing the glasses can look outside and see the moon. He can just stand there and see the moon with his eyes through the glasses. Yet the moon is 238,900 miles away! His eyes are so good , he can see 238,900 miles and see the moon.

Its incredible!

The sun is much further away, yet a single photo receptor cell can see the light from that as well. Distance is a stupid argument - especially when coupled with sight. I can see a molecule - If I use a very powerful microscope. A creature with a single photo receptor eye would probably be able to see that same molecule without any such additional equipment, as he isn't that much bigger than the molecule himself.

Consider the very first photograph. It wasn't invented - it was discovered. A chance occurence of chemicals on a piece of paper, and a leaf which just happened to land on that piece of paper. These were not the result of design. They were the result of chance.

FourPart;1502183 wrote: The sun is much further away, yet a single photo receptor cell can see the light from that as well. Distance is a stupid argument - especially when coupled with sight. I can see a molecule - If I use a very powerful microscope. A creature with a single photo receptor eye would probably be able to see that same molecule without any such additional equipment, as he isn't that much bigger than the molecule himself.

Consider the very first photograph. It wasn't invented - it was discovered. A chance occurence of chemicals on a piece of paper, and a leaf which just happened to land on that piece of paper. These were not the result of design. They were the result of chance.


Do us a favor ,see if these 300 proofs of God are stupid;

Hundreds of Proofs of God’s Existence

I can see the stars millions of light years away. Wow, thank you god.

Fuzzy;1502189 wrote: I can see the stars millions of light years away. Wow, thank you god.




Well stars are proof of God ;

Hubble Telescope Reveals Scientific Proof of God's Existence



All too easy.

If you can't prove God today , its always the next day. Science will be growing ,knowledge will be increasing , biblical archaeology will increase , And surprises will pop up ; so the next day is always better to prove God.

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Science is destined to prove God - Why? Because their knowledge is increasing;

Its academic , just give it time.

Hurry up and wait.