Is God Real?

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Mon Jul 04, 2016 6:18 pm

Mickiel;1498166 wrote:

I think its a radical movement from a very wise and super intelligent being , I mean he must know what he is doing; we just don't know.

Wise and super intelligent? You make me laugh. He is just as dumb as the people who invented him.

Did he not give us free will and then condemned us for using it? Did he not create us sick and ordered us to be well? If he weren't self employed he'd been sacked a few times.

Too many stuff ups.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:58 pm

Fuzzy;1498248 wrote: Wise and super intelligent? You make me laugh. He is just as dumb as the people who invented him.

Did he not give us free will and then condemned us for using it? Did he not create us sick and ordered us to be well? If he weren't self employed he'd been sacked a few times.

Too many stuff ups.

I am honored to make you laugh , at least one of us can get something out of this exchange.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Tue Jul 05, 2016 10:02 am

God is spirit and not a physical entity if you so believe.

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Tue Jul 05, 2016 6:46 pm

Spirits only come in bottles. Gods are imaginary.

minks · Post by **minks** » Wed Jul 06, 2016 10:02 am

I am dipping my toe in here, and not to offend but I do not believe there is a god.

If God is an entity, why is it we give "it" a gender? Why male?

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:30 pm

There are lots of opinions on God. Why male? It was a patriarchal society. Since humans do not have the language to deal with concepts of God they did the best they could at the time. Now God us referred in in both masculine terms and femminen terms. People don't believe in God are exercising their human rights. No problem here though I disagree.

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Wed Jul 06, 2016 5:51 pm

When god was created by man, women had no rights. There wouldn't have been too many people wondering whether god could be feminine.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:38 am

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 6:41 pm

Many people still try to create God in their image.

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 5:06 am

There are many creative people on this planet. I enjoy creating useful things.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 10:15 pm

Fuzzy;1498333 wrote: When god was created by man, women had no rights. There wouldn't have been too many people wondering whether god could be feminine.

The way history has played out, women got their rights so give it time.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 10:21 pm

minks;1498319 wrote: I am dipping my toe in here, and not to offend but I do not believe there is a god.

If God is an entity, why is it we give "it" a gender? Why male?

Because male tops it off.

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Mon Jul 11, 2016 1:02 am

Mickiel;1498441 wrote: Because male tops it off.

What exactly do you mean by 'male tops it off' ?:-2

I'm only asking because I hardly ever know what you're talking about. :-3

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Jul 11, 2016 8:01 am

Mickiel;1498441 wrote: Because male tops it off.

God has no gender , the bible uses "Male" as in a "Father figure", or the head of a family , the top of the pyramid.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Mon Jul 11, 2016 9:58 am

Many churches to day are using gender neutral ideas to define God and many also use both Mother and Father. To many folks living in the past.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:45 pm

Is God real?

I think so.

Simple.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:25 am

Mickiel;1498734 wrote: Is God real?

I think so.

Simple.
Is God real?

No.

Simpler.

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:36 pm

FourPart;1498783 wrote: Is God real?

No.

Simpler.

I thank god for making me an atheist.

Simple enough.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:14 am

OK that is simple enough.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 11:31 am

Fuzzy;1498805 wrote: I thank god for making me an atheist.

Simple enough.

Well I thank him as well for making you what you should have been. Your supposed to be an Atheist, everything in your life pointed you toward it. It was your destiny.

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:17 pm

Mickiel;1498828 wrote: Well I thank him as well for making you what you should have been. Your supposed to be an Atheist, everything in your life pointed you toward it. It was your destiny.

I'm not sure whether it is destiny. Might have something to do with coming in contact with church, pastors, vicars and the bible. If, what I've learned there, had made sense, I'd probably be a church going christian right now.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:33 am

Fuzzy;1498848 wrote: I'm not sure whether it is destiny. Might have something to do with coming in contact with church, pastors, vicars and the bible. If, what I've learned there, had made sense, I'd probably be a church going christian right now.

Of course it had something to do with all those things, God knew how they would affect you. And he wanted a certain amount of Atheist to exist in this time now. God knew how I would react to Atheism and to churches , Pastors and the bible. My reaction to churches and Pastors, was similar to yours, I reached a point that I could no longer stand it; I had to leave them forever! I can never go back. I'm done. My reaction to the bible was different ; I like it. My reaction to Christianity, I no longer like it.

So basically I have to walk alone.

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Sun Jul 24, 2016 6:47 pm

So, you are one of those who know god's mind and his intentions. How cool is that?

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sun Jul 24, 2016 6:54 pm

Fuzzy;1499077 wrote: So, you are one of those who know god's mind and his intentions. How cool is that?

Meet the author of the Bible 2. After all, God has 'revealed' Himself to him. Time to write God's will in the form of the Newer Testament. After all, is that not how his sort claim the Bible came into existence? By God 'revealing' himself to the writers? Now that God has started to reveal himself further, I see no reason why we don't see the continuance of the Never Ending Story.

Theist - Simple. VERY Simple.

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 3:46 am

Too simple.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 4:27 am

Fuzzy;1499077 wrote: So, you are one of those who know god's mind and his intentions. How cool is that?

I don't know God, but you can see him in the bible. And that is cool.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 4:29 am

FourPart;1499078 wrote: Meet the author of the Bible 2. After all, God has 'revealed' Himself to him. Time to write God's will in the form of the Newer Testament. After all, is that not how his sort claim the Bible came into existence? By God 'revealing' himself to the writers? Now that God has started to reveal himself further, I see no reason why we don't see the continuance of the Never Ending Story.

Theist - Simple. VERY Simple.

That's how it happened , its just that simple ; its how " God Did It." Simple .Very simple.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:27 am

Mickiel;1499087 wrote: I don't know God, but you can see him in the bible. And that is cool.

You see people turning into salt. Sticks turning into snakes. Talking snakes. Talking bushes. 2 of every animal in the world getting on a boat in the middle of the desert, and staying on there for a month and a half without the carnivores eating the herbivores. The Sun & Moon stopping in the middle of the sky (when the Sun doesn't move anyway). And all this happened about 5000 years ago, despite evidence proving that the Universe is billions of years old. And all this has to be factual, because it's written in the Bible? Real cool.

I have come to notice that if you have a line up & you have to select the one that believes in all that codswallop, he / she will be the one with a dozy, vacant expression on their face. Simple. Very simple.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:45 am

FourPart;1499089 wrote: You see people turning into salt. Sticks turning into snakes. Talking snakes. Talking bushes. 2 of every animal in the world getting on a boat in the middle of the desert, and staying on there for a month and a half without the carnivores eating the herbivores. The Sun & Moon stopping in the middle of the sky (when the Sun doesn't move anyway). And all this happened about 5000 years ago, despite evidence proving that the Universe is billions of years old. And all this has to be factual, because it's written in the Bible? Real cool.

I have come to notice that if you have a line up & you have to select the one that believes in all that codswallop, he / she will be the one with a dozy, vacant expression on their face. Simple. Very simple.

Oh you left out a lot of the good stuff;

We see all of humanity being changed into new creatures and living forever; after seeing this , I could careless what an Atheist has to complain about.

You see all of humanity forgiven

You see God himself finally coming to earth

You see peace at last

You see world wide unity

You see a vast increase in knowledge

You see the complete renewal of the earth and the universe itself; stunning.

You see animals still alive in this awesome Kingdom

You see the complete elimination of the concepts of Theism and Atheism ; religion is completely eliminated.

All death and sickness is eliminated

There will be no more lying , killing , stealing , lust , racism, crime , hate; all these things will end.

Man you talking about cool; please man , nothing anyone has to gripe about means anything to me ;I could care less who believes this or not.

Because I know and understand it IS too good to be true! It IS hard to believe.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:42 am

Mickiel;1499091 wrote: Oh you left out a lot of the good stuff;

We see all of humanity being changed into new creatures and living forever; after seeing this , I could careless what an Atheist has to complain about.

You see all of humanity forgiven
For what?

You see God himself finally coming to earth

No I don't.

You see peace at last

You see world wide unity

Have you watched the news lately?

You see a vast increase in knowledge

Increase in knowledge has nothing to do with the Bible. On the contrary. In order for anything it has to increase. The Bible has not changed for thousands of years. It was originally based on misunderstood superstitious misconceptions. It has not changed.

You see the complete renewal of the earth and the universe itself; stunning.

That's a new one on me. Where has the Earth & the Universe been changed? Even if you view it from the Creationist standpoint, it would have come into being. Renewal, by definition, means it has changed. In what way does the Bible say that the Earth & Universe has changed since its Creation?

You see animals still alive in this awesome Kingdom
You see the DESCENDANTS of animals still alive. You see the EVOLVED descendants of animals still alive. We see evidence of the remains of animals which died out millions of years before Man even appeared on the earth. Dinosaurs are not mentioned in the Bible, yet we know that they existed.

You see the complete elimination of the concepts of Theism and Atheism ; religion is completely eliminated.

Religion is what the Bible is. How can the Bible eliminate itself. Sure, it does continually contradict itself, but that's not quite the same thing.

All death and sickness is eliminated
Oh, really? So what need do we have for Doctors?

There will be no more lying , killing , stealing , lust , racism, crime , hate; all these things will end.

All of these things are primarily the direct result of the Bible.

Man you talking about cool; please man , nothing anyone has to gripe about means anything to me ;I could care less who believes this or not.

Because I know and understand it IS too good to be true! It IS hard to believe.

If something is too good to be true, then it's not true. It is IMPOSSIBLE to believe because it is so contradictory. It states that A is A, then it states that A is not A after all. It expects to have it both ways. From the start it expects us to believe that we are all descended from Adam, Eve & their 3 sons - 2 of which apparently managed to find themselves wives, despite the fact that they were the only ones in existence at the time. The typical apologetic's response is that Eve must have had Daughters as well. So not only are they adding bits & pieces to the absolute unquestionable record that is the Bible in order to cover an obvious flaw in their argument, they are clearly approving of incest.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:59 am

What's it feel like Four Part , for someone to think the total opposite than you?

What's it feel like , knowing that I have a mind of my own , and there is absolutely nothing you can say to change that.

What's it feel like , when you see so many paying attention to what I have to say?

Tell me , what's it feel like?

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:13 am

Mickiel;1499094 wrote: What's it feel like Four Part , for someone to think the total opposite than you?

What's it feel like , knowing that I have a mind of my own , and there is absolutely nothing you can say to change that.

What's it feel like , when you see so many paying attention to what I have to say?

Tell me , what's it feel like?

It feels quite good to be able to look objectively to see how ridiculous something is, and humorous to even consider that someone can even close their mind to such inconsistencies, desperately trying to patch their arguments up with patches they've unsuccessfully tried using previously to patch other arguments. You claim to have your own mind but refuse to even question the inconsistencies. You just believe what you are told to believe. That is not having your own mind. That is having the mind of the person who brainwashed you into believing it in the first place. In order to have your own mind you need to constantly question & analyse things. You don't.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:22 am

FourPart;1499096 wrote: It feels quite good to be able to look objectively to see how ridiculous something is, and humorous to even consider that someone can even close their mind to such inconsistencies, desperately trying to patch their arguments up with patches they've unsuccessfully tried using previously to patch other arguments. You claim to have your own mind but refuse to even question the inconsistencies. You just believe what you are told to believe. That is not having your own mind. That is having the mind of the person who brainwashed you into believing it in the first place. In order to have your own mind you need to constantly question & analyse things. You don't.

You have made yet another serious error in judging me , I have no teacher , no one is telling me what to believe. I am not in any church or group , I don't listen to any religious teacher or person , I walk alone in my views. You simply don't know me , I just don't fit into your catalogs.

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:47 pm

Mickiel;1499087 wrote: I don't know God, 'Correct'

but you can see him in the bible 'Incorrect'

And that is cool 'Not really'

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:22 am

Fuzzy;1499124 wrote: but you can see him in the bible 'Incorrect'

And that is cool 'Not really'

You know what's really cool Fuzzy , and this is something that your sarcasm can do absolutely nothing about ; this thread ; it has;

189 pages

1,883 replies

199,814 views.

Is 6 years old.

And its about God. Now that is cool man!

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 3:28 pm

Mickiel;1499150 wrote: You know what's really cool Fuzzy , and this is something that your sarcasm can do absolutely nothing about ; this thread ; it has;

189 pages

1,883 replies

199,814 views.

Is 6 years old.

And its about God. Now that is cool man!

Only 6 years? The bible is even older than that, but fairy tales don't change into true stories.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:49 pm

Fuzzy;1499194 wrote: Only 6 years? The bible is even older than that, but fairy tales don't change into true stories.

I am curious Fuzzy , do you have a thread with any stats like those? It takes a lot of work and thinking to get to this level. It takes no thought to criticize it.

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 6:11 pm

Mickiel;1499200 wrote: I am curious Fuzzy , do you have a thread with any stats like those? It takes a lot of work and thinking to get to this level. It takes no thought to criticize it.

Having a high post count on a thread is really nothing to brag about when 80% of the posts are from one person.

and 1800 posts over 6 years amounts to a little under a post a day.

Just sayin'

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 6:41 pm

LarsMac;1499201 wrote: Having a high post count on a thread is really nothing to brag about when 80% of the posts are from one person.

and 1800 posts over 6 years amounts to a little under a post a day.

Just sayin'

It does not matter to me what you are just saying ; because I know why you are just saying;

few posters enjoy this level of interest ; I enjoy it everywhere I post. And its not bragging , its called sticking it to people who call themselves sticking it to you. I got some long threads in these archives , an impressive trail of interest. And when posters come to my threads with their little complaints and insults , I just like sticking the truth on them. And I got a whole archive of evidence to back me up.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 6:47 pm

LarsMac;1499201 wrote: Having a high post count on a thread is really nothing to brag about when 80% of the posts are from one person.

and 1800 posts over 6 years amounts to a little under a post a day.

Just sayin'

You don't understand the work and dedication involved in a 6 year thread. 6 years on a subject;

just sayin.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:00 pm

Mickiel;1499204 wrote: You don't understand the work and dedication involved in a 6 year thread. 6 years on a subject;

just sayin.

I have an 8 year thread on this board that I stopped posting on this year. I think this also is a statement of how patient this site can be; how tolerant the owners are . In fact I know of no other site as patient ; trust me , I been on hundreds of them. And banned from my share of them.

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:09 pm

Mickiel;1499204 wrote: You don't understand the work and dedication involved in a 6 year thread. 6 years on a subject;

just sayin.

I don't know about that.

I was here when you started this thread.

I can say that I've seen you mature on the theme a great deal since then.

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:10 am

Mickiel;1499200 wrote: I am curious Fuzzy , do you have a thread with any stats like those? It takes a lot of work and thinking to get to this level. It takes no thought to criticize it.

I didn't know that your thread is a competition. If I had a 7 year old thread would I be more successful than you? I thought this is all about beliefs and opinions. You believe in a 'god' and I don't and we may never see eye to eye about the alleged 'truth' you're trying to spread. So, I reckon your BS thread is going to last at least another 6 years or more, but so what? If it makes you feel good, that's all it will do.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:28 am

LarsMac;1499209 wrote: I don't know about that.

I was here when you started this thread.

I can say that I've seen you mature on the theme a great deal since then.

Well thank you for that ; thank you. Its very kind of you. I do my best.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:35 am

Fuzzy;1499215 wrote: I didn't know that your thread is a competition. If I had a 7 year old thread would I be more successful than you? I thought this is all about beliefs and opinions. You believe in a 'god' and I don't and we may never see eye to eye about the alleged 'truth' you're trying to spread. So, I reckon your BS thread is going to last at least another 6 years or more, but so what? If it makes you feel good, that's all it will do.

I had a ten year thread on a site no longer opened. They become a part of your consciousness, your breathing ,you have to exhale every day on it. And your mind keeps growing new fruit to plant there daily. It almost becomes like a child of

yours. That you must nature.

jeffreypopeeples · Post by **jeffreypopeeples** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 7:51 am

how that human ready man?

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:37 pm

It really needs some bona fide scholarly reseaarch.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:43 pm

Ted;1499240 wrote: It really needs some bona fide scholarly reseaarch.

When people start jumping on you for no reason , make it hard for them to jump off.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:51 pm

Lol ????????

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:52 pm

At least I can support my position with much scholarly research by specialists in their fields. No blind reading of the Bible.