spot wrote: Shall we stop trying to simplify? What does certification mean, in Canada? I have no idea.
The wiki article you quoted carries this text, which I assume has been gone over with a toothcomb by people from all sides of the debate and is consequently regarded as accurate:
During her imprisonment Homolka received psychological evaluations from at least seven different psychologists who all agreed that she exhibited the symptoms of "severe clinical depression, battered spousal syndrome and post traumatic stress disorder," all of which she has been treated for while in prison.
The parole board that reviewed Homolka's case in 2001 referred to her as a psychopath, but these were not trained psychiatric professionals. None of the psychologists and psychiatrists who have examined her personally have diagnosed her as a psychopath although the term has been widely used. Those professionals that have used the term relied upon interview transcripts, case reports, video documentation, and newspaper articles as the basis of their diagnosis. Dr. Sharon Williams, an expert on incarcerated sex offenders and psychopaths, who evaluated her between 1996 and 1999, concluded that Karla Homolka was not a psychopath, and not likely to reoffend.Now, if that means in your terminology that she's never been certified as a psychopath, then fine. It's what I'd take, being uninformed and lay, to be the closest I'll get to a complete statement.
Perfect - then we have nothing to say she is now safe to be released into society, as all we know is she has never been "certified" as a psychopath, then OR now.
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Hmmmm.....maybe this will work!! :wah: :wah:
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turbonium wrote: Perfect - then we have nothing to say she is now safe to be released into society, as all we know is she has never been "certified" as a psychopath, then OR now.What you say there is reasonable enough. What's more, the Canadian justice system has no mechanism for detaining her, since she's served her maximum term. These strange posts about "I think she should still be in there serving the same time as Paul" by someone who last met the woman 13 years ago are just unqualified and uninformed mud thrown up by the gutter press still making money out of everybody's misery.
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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turbonium wrote: Hmmmm.....maybe this will work!Oh, very droll, yes. Bravo. Spot the dog, spot the stain. Wordplay.
Carla, I think, said my vestigial sense of humor was actually dead. This is for her, as a civil gesture:
A bloke walks into a pub and ask the barman for an entendre.
"Will that be a single or a double?" asks the barman.
"I might as well have a double," says our hero.
To which the barman replies "In that case I'll fill her up with a really big one."I hope that's enough jokes for one thread.
Carla, I think, said my vestigial sense of humor was actually dead. This is for her, as a civil gesture:
A bloke walks into a pub and ask the barman for an entendre.
"Will that be a single or a double?" asks the barman.
"I might as well have a double," says our hero.
To which the barman replies "In that case I'll fill her up with a really big one."I hope that's enough jokes for one thread.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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That was my whole point - she has every capability of repeating her crimes. The Canadian justice system really sucks, with that I will agree completely. It's the public that suffer as a result.
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turbonium wrote: That was my whole point - she has every capability of repeating her crimes. The Canadian justice system really sucks, with that I will agree completely. It's the public that suffer as a result.And so have I, and so has my daughter, and so has the Archbishop of Canterbury. And, as you say, so now does she. We must hope than none of us do what we have the potential to do, mustn't we. So long as none of us do, the public can sleep safely in its bed and the Canadian Justice System will be vindicated. A lot rests on all of our shoulders.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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lady cop wrote: you dance about on pinheadsAll finished, everyone? Thank the lord for that. Perhaps the next thread can have a less emotionally charged title, at least.
It never dawned on me that this wasn't obvious, but it seems from a conversation just now that it might be. The only beings ever, in any circumstances, reputed to dance on pinheads, in the entire history of pins, has been angels. Time after time after time, I've had this "you're dancing on a pinhead" thrown at me, and all the while I've thought I was being compared to an angel, and now I get an affronted look and an "excuse me??" which I'm baffled by. What else, please, anyone, is supposed to dance on the head of a pin, besides an angel? Where is the missing proverb that I'm unaware of that turns dancing on a pinhead into a lethal winning debating point?
Angelic Spot. Stay. Good dog.
It never dawned on me that this wasn't obvious, but it seems from a conversation just now that it might be. The only beings ever, in any circumstances, reputed to dance on pinheads, in the entire history of pins, has been angels. Time after time after time, I've had this "you're dancing on a pinhead" thrown at me, and all the while I've thought I was being compared to an angel, and now I get an affronted look and an "excuse me??" which I'm baffled by. What else, please, anyone, is supposed to dance on the head of a pin, besides an angel? Where is the missing proverb that I'm unaware of that turns dancing on a pinhead into a lethal winning debating point?
Angelic Spot. Stay. Good dog.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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I'm finished, spot. The title was fine with me - it provoked debate on the safety issue concerning her release. And it was resolved in a very productive way. That is, it can be seen that it really is not a very smart idea to rent out a room to her, after all! 
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You're a good lad, turbonium, I don't care what the others all say about you when you're not around. We'll do it again, I hope.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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spot wrote: You're a good lad, turbonium, I don't care what the others all say about you when you're not around. We'll do it again, I hope.
I'll be counting the hours with unbridled anticipation, spot
:wah:
I'll be counting the hours with unbridled anticipation, spot
:wah:
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not to bring this back up for the mud slinging factor, but just to kind of go back into this thread and.... trying to get into this womans mind and the fact that you think she may be rehabilitated, Go on and read the Idaho Amber Alert thread, and read what the survivor has been through with a "re-offendor". yeah I am not convinced that compassion towards people like this is worth our efforts.
�You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.�
• Mae West
• Mae West
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minks wrote: not to bring this back up for the mud slinging factor, but just to kind of go back into this thread and.... trying to get into this womans mind and the fact that you think she may be rehabilitated, Go on and read the Idaho Amber Alert thread, and read what the survivor has been through with a "re-offendor". yeah I am not convinced that compassion towards people like this is worth our efforts.
There has been no compassion for Homolka shown on this thread. What you are calling compassion is an attempt at a logical discussion of the justice system. Compassion is an emotional reaction. The only emotion I've seen on this thread is from those who want Homolka dead or thrown back in prison, contrary to the current laws. Contrary to your statement the anger and arguments directed towards me seems to be in reaction to the lack of emotion in my statements.
Speaking only for myself, to maintain justice at all the system that exists must remain as the authority. Homolka may well still be a monster, some killers are reformed and the system wants to give the ones who do reform a chance at freedom again. That some slip through the cracks is inevitable. That the jails are loaded with criminals who pose no current threat to society is also a fact. Finding a system that works is the goal. In the meantime, allowing vigilante thought to rule creates chaos and moves us no closer to a resolution of the actual problem.
There has been no compassion for Homolka shown on this thread. What you are calling compassion is an attempt at a logical discussion of the justice system. Compassion is an emotional reaction. The only emotion I've seen on this thread is from those who want Homolka dead or thrown back in prison, contrary to the current laws. Contrary to your statement the anger and arguments directed towards me seems to be in reaction to the lack of emotion in my statements.
Speaking only for myself, to maintain justice at all the system that exists must remain as the authority. Homolka may well still be a monster, some killers are reformed and the system wants to give the ones who do reform a chance at freedom again. That some slip through the cracks is inevitable. That the jails are loaded with criminals who pose no current threat to society is also a fact. Finding a system that works is the goal. In the meantime, allowing vigilante thought to rule creates chaos and moves us no closer to a resolution of the actual problem.
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koan wrote: The only emotion I've seen on this thread is from those who want Homolka dead or thrown back in prison.
OK, here's some emotion for you. I feel sympathy for the victim's families. I feel horror at her acts. I feel anguish for the children that will grow up without a parent thanks to this murderess.
How's that for feelings?
OK, here's some emotion for you. I feel sympathy for the victim's families. I feel horror at her acts. I feel anguish for the children that will grow up without a parent thanks to this murderess.
How's that for feelings?
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
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Jives wrote: OK, here's some emotion for you. I feel sympathy for the victim's families. I feel horror at her acts. I feel anguish for the children that will grow up without a parent thanks to this murderess.
How's that for feelings?
:DSomewhat uninformed, unless I lost your meaning somewhere. Which children are these, for whom you express these platitudes?
Do you know, Jives, I read people putting together words like "I feel anguish for" and I rarely believe the words.
How's that for feelings?
:DSomewhat uninformed, unless I lost your meaning somewhere. Which children are these, for whom you express these platitudes?
Do you know, Jives, I read people putting together words like "I feel anguish for" and I rarely believe the words.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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turbonium wrote: Hmmmm.....maybe this will work!! :wah: :wah:
Think it will remove the yellow pee spot from under his avatar too?
Attached files
Think it will remove the yellow pee spot from under his avatar too?
Attached files
"If America Was A Tree, The Left Would Root For The Termites...Greg Gutfeld."
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Jives wrote: OK, here's some emotion for you. I feel sympathy for the victim's families. I feel horror at her acts. I feel anguish for the children that will grow up without a parent thanks to this murderess.
How's that for feelings?
I see you proving my point. Did you even read my last post? Or did you just skip to the part that you thought justified another rant and rave? That's really all this thread seems to be about. Tell us how much you hate and how you let it blind you to intelligent discussion.
I "feel anguish" for all death. All of them. People who die all over the world every minute. No death should be taken lightly. Walking around feeling anguished all the time doesn't do much good though. Hell, I bawled my eyes out watching a movie today. Then I stopped and thought about why I was so upset and what solutions there were to try and end suffering in the world. Getting all riled up and asking for more death most certainly isn't the answer. But if it makes you feel better go ahead. Just don't call it a discussion.
How's that for feelings?
I see you proving my point. Did you even read my last post? Or did you just skip to the part that you thought justified another rant and rave? That's really all this thread seems to be about. Tell us how much you hate and how you let it blind you to intelligent discussion.
I "feel anguish" for all death. All of them. People who die all over the world every minute. No death should be taken lightly. Walking around feeling anguished all the time doesn't do much good though. Hell, I bawled my eyes out watching a movie today. Then I stopped and thought about why I was so upset and what solutions there were to try and end suffering in the world. Getting all riled up and asking for more death most certainly isn't the answer. But if it makes you feel better go ahead. Just don't call it a discussion.
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Koan, you have to accept the fact that when a thread such as this is posted feelings do run high,
it's human nature to condemn a person that has commited atrocities such as KH did.
We dont want to discuss how society can change to ensure this wont happen again, there's no point because it just wont happen!
We dont all have the ability to sit and analize scum like her, the majority of the population will bay for her blood.
Best just to agree to disagree and move on.
it's human nature to condemn a person that has commited atrocities such as KH did.
We dont want to discuss how society can change to ensure this wont happen again, there's no point because it just wont happen!
We dont all have the ability to sit and analize scum like her, the majority of the population will bay for her blood.
Best just to agree to disagree and move on.
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http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/showp ... stcount=96
abbey I think you'll find at the above link that I did try to leave this thread alone. Unfortunately I, as a rule, reply when someone quotes me or writes my user name. So could y'all stop doing that so I can concentrate on the more interesting matters that have come to my attention?
abbey I think you'll find at the above link that I did try to leave this thread alone. Unfortunately I, as a rule, reply when someone quotes me or writes my user name. So could y'all stop doing that so I can concentrate on the more interesting matters that have come to my attention?