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But as yet, as I understand It, no hostages have been taken In return for his release and no Innocent deaths Incurred for his release.

oscar;1396802 wrote: But as yet, as I understand It, no hostages have been taken In return for his release and no Innocent deaths Incurred for his release.


Nor anyone in custody that I can bring to mind. Remind me who's been kidnapped in order to bargain for any Al Qaeda detainee.

spot;1396803 wrote: Nor anyone in custody that I can bring to mind. Remind me who's been kidnapped in order to bargain for any Al Qaeda detainee.


US hostage paraded in al Qaeda demand | Mail Online

I suspect "he worked on an Apache helicopter programme for a US defence firm in the kingdom" is a long long way from "UN and Red Cross workers". The one's a belligerent, the others have nothing to do with Crusading.

spot;1396806 wrote: I suspect "he worked on an Apache helicopter programme for a US defence firm in the kingdom" is a long long way from "UN and Red Cross workers". The one's a belligerent, the others have nothing to do with Crusading. You asked me to Remind you who's been kidnapped In order to bargain for any Al Qaeda detainee.

That's what I did.

oscar;1396807 wrote: You asked me to Remind you who's been kidnapped In order to bargain for any Al Qaeda detainee.

That's what I did.On May 13 2011, the Pakisatani Taliban claimed responsibility for a suicide bombing attack at a paramilitary academy in Charsadda, Pakistan that killed 80 people as revenge for the death of bin Laden. A spokesman for the Pakistani Taliban, Ehsanullah Ehsan, called from an undisclosed location saying, "There will be more".

When your kidnap count to release Al Qaeda hostages reaches 80, let me know and I'll find some more killings in reaction to the martyrdom. So far the tally here is 80 dead, 1 kidnapped.

spot;1396809 wrote: On May 13 2011, the Pakisatani Taliban claimed responsibility for a suicide bombing attack at a paramilitary academy in Charsadda, Pakistan that killed 80 people as revenge for the death of bin Laden. A spokesman for the Pakistani Taliban, Ehsanullah Ehsan, called from an undisclosed location saying, "There will be more".

When your kidnap count to release Al Qaeda hostages reaches 80, let me know and I'll find some more killings in reaction to the martyrdom. So far the tally here is 80 dead, 1 kidnapped.
So are you suggesting that no hostages whatsoever were taken prior to the killing of BL ?

Foreign hostages in Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That figure Is for Iraq not globally.

Over-all your 80 Is significantly less than hostages taken prior to killing BL



Wasn't this aid worker taken hostage long before BL was killed ?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... hours.html

To be honest, I feel pragmatic arguments have no place when discussing the ethics of political assassination. States are judged by future generations on the decisions they take on that issue, just as they are in other areas. Pragmatic killing is wrong.

AnneBoleyn;1396760 wrote: Killing bin laden is nothing to be ashamed of.


But it's shame to lie on something she hadn't seen. The situation room picture hints they saw "kill Bin Laden". But now Pentagon said they have no photo or video set. So what were they watching?

oscar;1395347 wrote:

This Is the apparent moment that they watched Bin Laden killed via helmet cam on the Seal.

After this pic was released, apparently, the White House could account for every single person In that room and name them and their position. .


There was no photo Pentagon said, to prove what government said, even account for every single person in that room and name them and their position.

I have a photo may show you what exactly happened, and I am sure none of the single person of that room dare to say if they really were watching the Operation as the picture hinted.

Here is an interview about that helicopter crash.

OSAMA KILL MISSION BY US NAVY SEALS: AN EYE WITNESS ACCOUNT

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by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts / Jeff Prager

Bashir: We were awake, not asleep, a helicopter came, some men came down from that, into that house, then that helicopter went away.

Reporter: How many men?

Bashir: 10-12, then that helicopter took rounds of those rear hills, then he came bac…k and when he came bach, two more helicopters arrived, one from the west and other from the north, there was a blast in the first helicopter and it was on fire, we immediately came out, when we reached there, the helicopter was burning, then after about 20 minutes the army and police arrived, they pushed us back, now we are asking that if Osama was here then who took him to America because all those men that came in the helicopter died in the blast, now if Osama was in that helicopter he must have died and got burnt in that helicopter too, then how they took him? This is a question of serious concern. America claims they they killed him and picked him up. How they picked him up? This is what we are thinking .

Reporter: Was there only one helicopter?

Bashir? Yes the other that came, flew away to Mansehra, there was only one that landed the men and came back to pick them but as he was picking them up, it blew away and caught fire.

Reporter: Then they were in it when it blew?

Bashir: Yes They were.

Reporeter : How you know?

Bashir: We saw it with our own eyes

Reporter: You saw dead man?

Bashir: Yes, dead men,

Reporter: How many?

Bashir: I couldnt count them because then the compound was on fire. The gate was open, we went in, the army and police hadnt arrived then, there were some people but they werent stopping them. The whole neighbourhood has seen that but they are silent now.

Bashir: We saw the helicopter burning, we saw the dead bodies, then everything was removed and now there is nothing

The real story behind the so-called bin laden raid/ killing « Wonders of Pakistan

Bin Laden died soon after 911 attack. He denied any involving in 911. That's conflict to what US says. So they wouldn't let him stay alive.

Report: Bin Laden Already Dead

Published December 26, 2001



FoxNews.com

Usama bin Laden has died a peaceful death due to an untreated lung complication, the Pakistan Observer reported, citing a Taliban leader who allegedly attended the funeral of the Al Qaeda leader

Read more: Report: Bin Laden Already Dead | Fox News


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Has Osama Bin Laden been dead for seven years - and are the U.S. and Britain covering it up to continue war on terror?

By Sue Reid 11 September 2009

Read more: Has Osama Bin Laden been dead for seven years - and are the U.S. and Britain covering it up to continue war on terror? | Mail Online

Bin Laden died ten years ago. He was an important witness of 911 attack. Bin Laden denied he involved in 911 attack. It was conflict to US government theory. So they wouldn’t let him alive.

Proof Bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11; 3 simple points

blueridge

Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:52

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1. Usama Bin Laden's absolute, unequivocal, immediate denial in Pakistan press after he was blamed:

“I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people…

...What is this? Is it not that there exists a government within the government in the United States? That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. " --Osama bin Laden interview with Ummat, 28 September 2001

Sources: Ummat, Urdu-language daily newspaper based in Karachi, Pakistan - Friday, 28 September 2001 - pages 1, 7. - Source: BBC Monitoring Service

Bin Laden: AUTHENTIC INTERVIEW





2. The government's spurious video evidence, claiming that he "boasted" (while he denied it above):

“It’s bogus,” says Professor Bruce Lawrence, head of Duke University’s Religious Studies program.

The video is further examined here:

Proof that Bin Laden had no links with 9/11 and the Bin Laden tape is a hoax! (Video) « Ahmed Ismail

3. The testimony of the FBI:

a) The FBI "Mosted Wanted" terrorist poster on Bin Laden does not show that he is "wanted" for 9/11. FBI — USAMA BIN LADEN

b) and here is what they have stated:

“The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”

--Rex Tomb, FBI spokesman, in interview with Muckraker Report



[Muckraker also did a follow up article in further confirmation]

The FBI is well informed of the video (proves Muckraker Report), but, nonetheless, still considers that there is "no hard evidence" to connect Bin Laden with 9/11. Thus again, the video cannot be considered said evidence.

There is therefore no sustainable evidence except politically-convenient allegation and propaganda, to make such a false and spurious claim. This also kills the idea of Al Qaeda which they claim also was connected directly with Bin Laden. The BBC documentary "Power of Nightmares" documents that Al Qaeda was "an invention" of the U.S. government, and that videos of Bin Laden "were faked for the western media", with "militants" called in for the purpose.



Quote, "SO WHY DOES THE MEDIA, GOVERNMENT, AND OFFICIALS ALL TALK AS IF THIS IS A PROVEN "FACT"? ONLY BECAUSE IT IS POLITICALLY EXPEDIENT TO DO SO, TO CONTROL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND FOREIGN POLICY AND THE RESTRUCTURING OF AMERICA'S GOVERNMENT AWAY FROM CONSTITUTIONAL RESTRAINTS.

When Feds need war in Mid-east, Al Qaida came to help. That was 911 attack which gave them an excuse to start war in Afghan and Iraq. When the Feds can’t convince the public that they killed Bin Laden in “Geronimo Operation”, Al Qaida came out again to prove their master is correct.

Al-Qaida confirms Osama bin Laden's death

Saturday, May 07, 2011



NEW YORK -- Al-Qaida on Friday confirmed the killing of Osama bin Laden and warned of retaliation, saying Americans' "happiness will turn to sadness."

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sectio ... id=8115703



Al Qaida, confirms Bin Laden's death while a lot of people suspect it's another hoax of the US government. Did Al Qadia join the "kill Bin Laden operation"? Have they got the DNA testing result? Or, more likely, it's just an order from their US master to help them to strenthen the lie?

. They kept Bin Laden alive because they needed a false flag for their “war on terror” so they could keep on asking money and power from people.

In 2011, the US decided to start war on Iran. Like they justify the Iraq and Afghan war with 911 attack, they needed a similar “terror attack” to justify war on Iran. They created “Operation Geronimo” to justify a “nuke terror attack” in the name of “Al Qaeda revenge for Bin Laden’s death”.

Al Qaida seems to have access to the toppest secret of US government. They knew "kill Bin Laden Operation" in advance.

Quote, " Al-Qaeda Threatens to Unleash ‘Nuclear Hellstorm’ if bin Laden Caught

Posted by Ingrid Turner on Apr 25, 2011

Guantanamo Bay, Cuba (NEWSTABULOUS) – According to news reported by WikiLeaks, threats have been received from al-Qaeda terrorists, stating that they will “unleash a nuclear hellstorm” upon Western countries if Osama bin Laden is ever caught or killed.

http://newstabulous.com/al-qaeda-threat ... ught/9761/




WikiLeaks: Al-Qaida Has Nuclear Weapons

Author: ICWN | Monday, April 25th, 2011



The militant group al-Qaeda claims to have nuclear weapons and did not hesitate to use them if their leader, Osama bin Laden captured or killed by the United States. Not yet known exactly where al-Qaeda’s nuclear weapons are stored, but are found in Europe.



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Five days before May 1st, Wikileaks and Al Qaida knew of “Bin Laden’s death” would have happened and announced a warning. The news is a clumsy product of the “disinformation office” of the Feds. It means:

1. Al Qaida have nuclear weapon. They haven’t used it because Bin Laden hadn’t been caught or killed.

2. Wikileaks and Al Qaida knew Bin Laden would be killed several days later so issued a warning.

Al Qaida are so powerful that they knew everything, have everything and can do everything even though they are chased from the cave to cave, because they have the Magic Lantern of Alladin. They always come out in time when the Feds need them. They activated 911 attack to help justify Mid-east war. This time, will they have a nuke attack to justify war on Iran?

From time to time, the government release different edition of story. Should they have a report after each mission? Or they have no ability to describe an event?

This is another cover up effort. When you argue which one was the truth, you fell into the trap that they want you to believe - that Bin Laden was dead in a corpse less Operation and picture less case even though he died ten years ago already.

Navy SEAL on Bin Laden Raid Speaks Out

By LEE FERRAN and LUIS MARTINEZ | ABC News – Wed, Aug 29, 2012.

The reported account appears to differ from earlier versions of the raid given by U.S. officials, including that of White House spokesperson Jay Carney, that the SEALs had entered the room before bin Laden was shot, that one of bin Laden's wives charged the SEALs and that bin Laden had "resisted" before he was killed, even if he was unarmed.

Navy SEAL on Bin Laden Raid Speaks Out - Yahoo! News

Here is the #2 situation room picture. There are some flaws in it. Could you find it? See answers: click url.

　

The Illusion of Obama's Bin Laden Raid Situation Room Leadership

By Mara Zebest May 23, 2012



Obama's entire "Composite Presidency" and administration are orchestrated in this fashion. Not only is the photo's legitimacy in question, but so is the narrative illusion behind it. Obama knew of OBL's location for a year and refused to act. The CIA admits that there was "no live video feed," as implied by the iconic White House photo. It is anyone's guess what the captive audience was looking at, but it wasn't the OBL raid. It was recently reported that a highly lawyered CYA memo was drafted that made it clear that the military would take all blame for any errors, while Obama would claim all glory for successes.



http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/05/ ... tuation_ro om_leadership.html

They killed a local Pakistan resident, said it was Bin Laden.

That's Not Osama bin Laden, That's My Neighbour

That's Not Osama bin Laden, That's My Neighbour - YouTube

Osama bin Laden corpse photo is fake

Image of bloodied man picked up by British newspapers has been circulating online for two years

guardian.co.uk, Monday 2 May 2011



An image purporting to show Osama bin Laden's bloody corpse, right, is a composite of two separate images, left and centre. Photograph: twitpic



An image apparently showing a dead Osama bin Laden broadcast on Pakistani television and picked up by British newspaper websites is a fake.

Osama bin Laden corpse photo is fake | World news | guardian.co.uk

A four less operation

Corpse less – They say they dropped it into sea.

Picture less – They let you imagine by yourself with this picture.



Witness less – Navy Seals died twice in helicopter crash

1.

May 1, Abbottabad

2. August 6, 2011 5:11 AM

22 Navy SEALs dead in Afghan chopper crash



Site less – No clue could be tracked any more on site

Bin Laden denied involvement in 911 in the interview. US mainstream media censored this news.

The Osama bin Laden Myth

Paul Craig Roberts

November 26, 2012|

The interview below with Osama bin Laden was conducted by the Karachi, Pakistan, daily newspaper, Ummat and published on September 28, 2001, 17 days after the alleged, but unsubstantiated, al Qaeda attack of September 11, 2001, on the World Trade Center twin towers and Pentagon. The interview was sensational. The alleged “mastermind” of 9/11 said that he and al Qaeda had nothing to do with the 9/11 attack. The British Broadcasting Corporation’s World Monitoring Service had the interview translated into English and made public on September 29, 2001.



Osama bin Laden’s sensational denial was not reported by the US print and TV media. It was not investigated by the executive branch. No one in the US Congress called attention to bin Laden’s refusal of responsibility for the greatest humiliation ever inflicted on a superpower.



To check my memory of the lack of coverage, I googled “Osama bin Laden’s interview denying responsibility for 9/11.” Some Internet sites reproduced the interview, but the only mainstream news source that I found was a 1 minute YouTube video from CNN in which the anchor, after quoting an al Jazeera report of bin Laden’s denial, concludes that “we can all weigh that in the scale of credibility and come to our own conclusions.” In other words, bin Laden had already been demonized, and his denial was not credible.



The sensational news was unfit for US citizens and was withheld from them by the american “free press,” a press free to lie for the government but not to tell the truth.

The Osama bin Laden Myth - PaulCraigRoberts.org