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Mickiel;1449494 wrote: God has really thermostated the world into really not seeing him, which is why some do not believe he is real. And God controls that condition.

It will be really interesting to see him change this, if I am allowed to live to see it.


I actually think that God is going to use science, education, mathmatics, history, Archaeology and music to show many people that he is real, and I think he will enlist people from each of those areas , open their minds, and use their specialty in amazing ways to give out that knowledge of him.

Mickiel;1450785 wrote: I actually think that God is going to use science, education, mathmatics, history, Archaeology and music to show many people that he is real, and I think he will enlist people from each of those areas , open their minds, and use their specialty in amazing ways to give out that knowledge of him.




these people will dream dreams and have visions, and some of them will be Atheist. And they will reveal things about God that will baffle us all;

Some exciting times are ahead.

We all will be with God; Why, because he wants it; and he gets what he wants.

And that makes our future real.

We were meant to first be without God and live in suffering and confusion. The world was purposely made that way, and God intently hid himself from us all. Whatever you are, you were meant to be that way. However you think , you were supposed to think that way.

But no matter what we are or how we think, were supposed to be with God in an appointed time.

And we will be.

Mickiel;1451564 wrote: We were meant to first be without God and live in suffering and confusion. The world was purposely made that way, and God intently hid himself from us all. Whatever you are, you were meant to be that way. However you think , you were supposed to think that way.

But no matter what we are or how we think, were supposed to be with God in an appointed time.

And we will be.




Look in the archives and read my thread, " What is predestination to God?" If there is a God, two things; he must be VERY powerful, secondly, he MUST not lose any of us to anything; or else what kind of a God would he be?

Our future is secure; it may not look like it, but it is!

In 1 John 4:14, " We have seen and do testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the World." This is why God sent Jesus here, to save every last one of us; no matter what we believe, no matter what we have done and how long we did it, Jesus was sent here to secure all of our salvation.

And he did it.

Our destiny is set in Heaven, we all will be with God, whether one wants that or not.

Mickiel;1451815 wrote: In 1 John 4:14, " We have seen and do testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the World." This is why God sent Jesus here, to save every last one of us; no matter what we believe, no matter what we have done and how long we did it, Jesus was sent here to secure all of our salvation.

And he did it.

Our destiny is set in Heaven, we all will be with God, whether one wants that or not.




I really believe this to be true; I hope its true; there is plenty of biblical evidence that it is true.

And you know what, it NEEDS to be true. Because all of us NEED God! We need something.

Is God real? I just wrote that I don't see God as being overly concerned right now with humans believing in him, believing that he is real. I mean he could solve that mystery in one second by just poping himself right into earths atmosphere and letting us all see him. ( Oh, by the way, that is exactly what he plans on doing, just not today). Not that he does not care that so many want to believe he is real, but just can't; he complettely understands that and is NOT condemning ANY human for not believing he exist. That is just a messed up religious deception.

No, actually we need God to help us believe in him; simply no doubt about it. The ball is in Gods court to help us know he is real.

And thats the best place for that ball to be in.

Right now the realness of God has to be an individual thing; something that individual " Comes into realizing; then God becomes a realization, which is a conscious movement in you're mind. And I think God will be behind that movement. He is just not doing a world wide consciousness awareness of him now; that much is obvious. Christians think humans believe in God on their own, I disagree with that, I believe belief is " Granted from Heaven" and given to the human.

Mickiel;1452280 wrote: Right now the realness of God has to be an individual thing; something that individual " Comes into realizing; then God becomes a realization, which is a conscious movement in you're mind. And I think God will be behind that movement. He is just not doing a world wide consciousness awareness of him now; that much is obvious. Christians think humans believe in God on their own, I disagree with that, I believe belief is " Granted from Heaven" and given to the human.




If you look at Phil. 1:29, " For to you it is given, ( or granted by heaven), not only to believe in him, but to suffer for him." Now put this together with John 3:27, " A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven." The only way a human could even believe in God, is that belief be downloaded into their consciousness by heaven. Now, conversely, the ONLY reason that humans do not believe in God, is that heaven has NOT given it; the unbelief is NOT their individual fault.

Is God real? Now that's a good question, deserving a good answer. Well its not just one good answer, which is why I have spent 4 years trying to answer it in this thread.

It has not been easy, because actual proof in my mind, does not mean its proof on paper. We can't see him or hear him, and that does not help.

Maybe in 4 more years I will be giving better answers, because knowledge is increasing.

Mickiel;1452334 wrote: Is God real? Now that's a good question, deserving a good answer. Well its not just one good answer, which is why I have spent 4 years trying to answer it in this thread.

It has not been easy, because actual proof in my mind, does not mean its proof on paper. We can't see him or hear him, and that does not help.

Maybe in 4 more years I will be giving better answers, because knowledge is increasing.




Notice Daniel 12:4, " Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book until the end, many shall be going to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased." This is an end time prophecy that promises all knowledge will be increased, and it has been increased; and spiritual knowledge is included in this. So each year, we are going to know more about God; not less, More! And that knowledge will lead to more evidence that he is real.

Some people think that God cannot save us all, or that he will never reveal himself; Listen to what God said in Isaiah 50;2" When i came was there no men? When i called was there any answer? Is my hand shortened where it cannot save? You think i have no power to deliver humanity?"

This is God himself literally saying to us all, " Hey, i got this." I got you.

Don't worry about it, I got you all covered.

one thing i have always stated about God being real, and that is Biblical archaeology can always help us to get good hints at God being real.

Look at these; Ten Top Biblical Archaeology Discoveries – Biblical Archaeology Society

Then compare them with these;Top Ten Archaeological Discoveries by Keith N. Schoville. Biblicalstudies.info by Ferrell Jenkins

Mickiel;1452389 wrote: one thing i have always stated about God being real, and that is Biblical archaeology can always help us to get good hints at God being real.

Look at these; Ten Top Biblical Archaeology Discoveries – Biblical Archaeology Society

Then compare them with these;Top Ten Archaeological Discoveries by Keith N. Schoville. Biblicalstudies.info by Ferrell Jenkins




See God is historical, he is real in our history, because these people and places were " Associated with him", which is about as close as we have got so far, not counting Jesus visit to earth. This stuff is real history. We got the bones of people who touched the Son of God.

The bible goes through King Herod's life a bit, did you know we have found his palace fortress " Masada!"

MASADA: King Herod's luxurious fortress/palace, the Zealots' Last Stand

See when you're considering if God is real, then the bible and its real history must be included in that consideration.

Our minds need as much side bar evidence as we can get in determining if God is real, and if the bible is his word, then it has to stand up to scrutiny, both now and in history. The bible most definitely went through King Nebuchadnezzar's life;

and real history did as well

;Nebuchadnezzar II -- Ancient History Encyclopedia

We even have the tombs of the biblical Patriarchs.

Tomb of the patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, aerial view, Al-Haram Al-Khalil, Hebron, Israel

Is God real? Is our history real? Does the bible dovetail with our history? The answer to these are yes; and the history is there for you to study, and it will help your belief that God is real.

Things like " The Black Obelisk"

Black Obelisk of Shalmaneser III - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

God has been real in our history, we are just too far removed from that history. We have lost touch with him, and we suffer because of that.

God is real in the most simple terms; simple ways of realizing it. Like a simple bowel movement; that had to have been designed within our body. Evolution from scratch would have left a lot of undeveloped humans with a hard way to go!

Here's an interesting concept;

Is God Real? Scientists ‘Prove’ His Existence With Godel’s Theory And MacBooks

Here's a little something I thought interesting;

Does God Exist - Six Reasons to Believe that God is Really There - Is There a God

Here's a diverse take on Quantum Physics and God.



BBC NEWS | UK | Magazine | What do you get if you divide science by God?

Is God real? Well Thomas Edison invented the light bulb, he did not invent light. So who did? Much of science would say it was just always here, yet claim from that same mouth that God could not have always been.

How real are you willing to get with your conscious power to tie into things far greater than you?

Mickiel;1453603 wrote: Is God real? Well Thomas Edison invented the light bulb, he did not invent light. So who did? Much of science would say it was just always here, yet claim from that same mouth that God could not have always been.

How real are you willing to get with your conscious power to tie into things far greater than you?




If you want you're conscious power to expand toward the real truth, then park your consciousness into a real search for God. You don't have to believe, just honestly search for him in all things; history, science, Love, archaeology, society, or books.

In my view, you will " Find something", and keep finding it.

The realness of God is reflected by the realness of our reality as it is. It is related! If God were not real, neither would we be real.

Mickiel;1453897 wrote: The realness of God is reflected by the realness of our reality as it is. It is related! If God were not real, neither would we be real.


We exist because God exist; we are not self made entities. There are groups who believe that we are real, because evolution had the power to reach into nothing and develop something. I am of a group which believes that nothing from nothing leaves nothing and cannot lead to anything; we just like being for real. Because this " Something from nothing" is a myth.

God is real because " He Is!" He is what he is, he said of himself, " I am what I am."

If you ask a being what it is, and it says I am what I am, I think that means they are the only one like they are.

I mean it is what it is.

I am and you are not.

I am , or I am constant , or I exist, or I am something with no equal.

Is God real?

If in you're mind you can conceive of this question, then you can conceive of God. Why is that simple rationale made to be so difficult?

You can conceive that God does exist, but you do not have to believe it or embrace it or understand it.

I thought this was of interest;

Evidence for the supernatural origin of life

One of the reasons why I think many do not believe God is real, is ancient Egypt, which had a lot to do with creating myths around their cerated gods. This ancient practice help place a lot of distrust in the story of God being a myth itself;

Egyptian Gods

Of all the proofs that God is real, there is no proof that he is not real, and no Atheist can provide that proof. No scientist can prove it in a lab, but many of them already know God exist, but simply refuse to admit it.

Yet both Atheist and Scientist are predestined to know God is real.

As are you!

Did you know that 20% of Atheist scientist consider themselves to be spiritual? Look at this;

The Spiritual Lives Of Atheist Scientists

How do we know anything is real?

Do you know what is real? | Steve-olson.com

How do you know this website is real? How do you know this thread you are reading is real?

One could use Empirical research and find that God is real.



https://explorable.com/empirical-research

Does religion know that God is real? I think it should be obvious by now that I do not like religion at all. But I think some of them actually realize that God is real, and its not blind religious faith. Notice this site;

Is God Real? Does Science Answer "Is There a God?"

Some religions do know that God is real, as do some non religious people like myself. I think its academic that we all will know one day;

just not today.

God is destined to be on everyones mind, and in everyones heart.

Because really, if he exist, nothing could be more important than that; nothing.

Those who do not believe he exist, are not supposed to believe it; its their karma in life; their spot to be in.

Never force the realness of God on anyone. Its theirs, even if they don't know that.

God is so real, just as the opposition to him is so real. You can tell the success of something that is real, by examining the failure of its opposition.

Is God real? Well I think " The Anthropic Principles" proves again that he is;

Anthropic Principles

And that's another reason why God is real, this King Herod killed thousands of children, trying to kill the offspring of God on earth.

How are you going to remove genocide from history? And the reasons for the slaughters.

Mickiel;1481308 wrote: And that's another reason why God is real, this King Herod killed thousands of children, trying to kill the offspring of God on earth.

How are you going to remove genocide from history? And the reasons for the slaughters.


That proves nothing of the sort. If proves that one paranoid genocidal maniac believed the rantings of some piece of folklore & didn't want to take the chance. If you want to use actions such as that as evidence, then you might as well say that the Holocaust proved that the Jews were the infestation of the earth & the solution was to eradicate them. A physical action based on an abstract belief is not evidence of the abstract belief being fact.

FourPart;1481319 wrote: That proves nothing of the sort. If proves that one paranoid genocidal maniac believed the rantings of some piece of folklore & didn't want to take the chance. If you want to use actions such as that as evidence, then you might as well say that the Holocaust proved that the Jews were the infestation of the earth & the solution was to eradicate them. A physical action based on an abstract belief is not evidence of the abstract belief being fact.


It proves a King was afraid of another King. A King who has outlasted all those who tried to kill him, and did kill him; yet his legacy still lives unto this day.

Simply incredible history!

Is God Real? Does Science Answer "Is There a God?"

Mickiel;1481347 wrote: It proves a King was afraid of another King. A King who has outlasted all those who tried to kill him, and did kill him; yet his legacy still lives unto this day.



Simply incredible history!


Kim Jon Un had his relatives executed, as did Saddam Hussein for fear of them taking his 'throne'. That doesn't make any of them potential Messiahs. It simply means that where there is even the slightest rumour of a threat the simplest thing to do is to remove the threat.



I'm not even aware of there being any evidence to affirm that the act even took place, and even if it did the reasons for it would more than likely be a matter of hearsay. Such things are constantly happening within our own lifetime. One person comes up with some wild conspiracy theory, another embellishes on it, and so on. It's not wonder that over a couple of thousand years of some conspiracy theory being on the go that it gets well & truly twisted.

FourPart;1481360 wrote: Kim Jon Un had his relatives executed, as did Saddam Hussein for fear of them taking his 'throne'. That doesn't make any of them potential Messiahs. It simply means that where there is even the slightest rumour of a threat the simplest thing to do is to remove the threat.



I'm not even aware of there being any evidence to affirm that the act even took place, and even if it did the reasons for it would more than likely be a matter of hearsay. Such things are constantly happening within our own lifetime. One person comes up with some wild conspiracy theory, another embellishes on it, and so on. It's not wonder that over a couple of thousand years of some conspiracy theory being on the go that it gets well & truly twisted.


Even truth gets twisted in time.

Mickiel;1481391 wrote: Even truth gets twisted in time.


My point exactly.

FourPart;1481392 wrote: My point exactly.


Yes, and a good point it is. The truth about God has been twisted for years, mostly by religious people, most of whom I do not think they meant to twist it. Truth is destroyed for lack of true knowledge. In Hosea 4:6 God says of his own people, " They are destroyed for lack of knowledge." I think part of this means even true hearted believers in God can get twisted understanding from listening to other believers who don't have a clue what they are believing and teaching; and this has spread like wildfire!

This is WHY God rejects religions, because they have rejected true knowledge of God, and believe in nonsense like eternal hell, and limited salvation.

FourPart;1481319 wrote: That proves nothing of the sort. If proves that one paranoid genocidal maniac believed the rantings of some piece of folklore & didn't want to take the chance. If you want to use actions such as that as evidence, then you might as well say that the Holocaust proved that the Jews were the infestation of the earth & the solution was to eradicate them. A physical action based on an abstract belief is not evidence of the abstract belief being fact.
It didn't happen. Outside the gospel of Matthew and repeats of it there is not one shred of evidence in recorded history of the event.

Mickiel;1481350 wrote: Is God Real? Does Science Answer "Is There a God?"Showing us where you got your misinformation proves nothing, Micky. Simply because it's on the internet does not make it true.