Is God Real?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:22 am

God is certainly real, keep considering Proteins; when a cell has made a new protein, while its still moving into place, it folds into the exact shape which will allow it to connect with the proteins next to it. To make proteins Ribosomes connect Amino Acids into long strings. These strings loop and fold around each other in a perfect fit. They fold into a highly complex three dimensional shape that then determines their function.

Clearly obvious design by God and sure evidence that he is real.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Aug 31, 2013 9:23 am

When your trying to determine if God is real, science is a clear ticket in finding that out. The information in science, is similar to the information in the bible; it points to God for sure.

Where did the information in Cells come from? What is information? Its knowledge communicated and received. Information is not matter, though it is imprinted on matter. How did it get imprinted on matter? That question and the knowledge behind the answer automatically leads to God.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Sep 01, 2013 5:55 am

Does belief in God need to be taught in order for others to believe? No! God gives belief in him to humans and does not need another human to open the mind of a person he is opening.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Sep 01, 2013 8:32 am

As much as believers are desperately trying to teach God to the world, God does not need them too.

Believers seem to forget that God's preference in dealing with humans in this age, is to deal with them personally; appeal directly to their minds on his own, without the interference of zealous believers!

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:26 am

Is God real? As long as reality exist, God will exist. If the thought or belief in God dies out, so will humanity.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:17 pm

If the rulers believed God was real, they would have never crucified Christ, 1 Corinth. 2:8. They killed him because they could not see God being real, and having a Son come to earth in human form.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:38 am

How do you, as a believer, show and prove to all things that God is real? Well you don't do it by going around systematically condemning unbelievers and spreading the merciless doctrine of eternal bad luck to them. You don't show that God is real by putting unbelievers down and putting yourself up; You show God is real by building up unbelievers, not threatening them and tearing them down. Give them the Hope that is true; that is if you understand and see that Hope is nothing to be hogged to yourself.

In 1 Corinth. 3:9, " You are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, God's building." If your going to be all that, you must build unbelievers up, IF your going to be like God; THEN they will see that he is real in you!

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:14 am

When you look at the light around you, you can know that God is real. 1 John 1:5, " And this is the message we have heard from him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in him there is no darkness at all." Man I wish I could be like that, I am so sick of this darkness in me. But at least God allowed humanity to hear this truth from Jesus, and the Apostles kept telling it to humanity. And we have this bible; because so much exist that is on the side that is trying to erase this from us.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:41 am

One of the ways to learn God is real, is through suffering; Heb. 5:8. Something about suffering is a way to God. Heaven is getting mileage out of our suffering; it is a needed introduction to the Spirit world for humanity. Its something , for some reason I am still looking into, that we must first go through before we can phase through flesh into Spirit.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Sep 03, 2013 3:54 pm

Is God real? Well Jesus was real and he said in John 8:42 " I proceeded forth and came from God." How you going to come from somebody who is not real?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:39 am

Is God real? Well why has God not shown himself and proved himself? Well he will, in his own way and time. Its not impossible for us to experience him proving himself to us; Luke 1:37, " For nothing will be impossible with God." Which means the salvation of us all is possible, and God individually revealing himself to each of us is possible.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:42 am

Is God real? 1 Tim. 2:5-6, " For there is ONE God, and ONE mediator between God and men, the Man Jesus Christ. Who GAVE himself as a ransom for ALL, the testimony borne at the proper time." So God's timing is not off, we have all the time we need. All of us are predestined to know that God is real, and all our sins are covered, all the ways that could have condemned any of us have been seen to by God; We all make it!

And thats just how its going to be; there exist no condemnation that can stop this.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:50 pm

In 1 Corinth. 15:22, " For as in Adam ALL die, so also in Christ (that same ALL) shall be made alive." This is how God will be made real to those who don't know he is real; their conscious is dead to him now, but shall later be made alive; then they will see clearly.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:27 am

Mickiel;1435404 wrote: In 1 Corinth. 15:22, " For as in Adam ALL die, so also in Christ (that same ALL) shall be made alive." This is how God will be made real to those who don't know he is real; their conscious is dead to him now, but shall later be made alive; then they will see clearly.

Here again its that SAME ALL spoken of in Romans 5:18, and God is for real about being sure we all are with him in eternity; so eternity must be real, because temporary chemical physical existence has no elongated shelf life with all the weapons of mass destruction that we have developed all over this planet!In Matt. 24:22, " And unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved, but for the sake of the elect those days shall be cut short." This means if God did not come back and is not real , humanity is destined to kill itself; just wipe each other off of this globe!

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Fri Sep 06, 2013 8:45 am

Is God real? Well he had his Son killed so we can find that out. In Heb. 2:9 Jesus " Tasted Death for Everyone." So we all are covered and we all have an absolute right to know that God is real; and he has already predestined that each and everyone of us will be shown that without any shadow of doubt!

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:44 am

Is God real? God was once asked who are you? In Ex. 3:14 he responds " I Am Who I Am." Its like " Okay", can you give a bit more? God is purposely not revealing a whole lot about himself. God is simply saying " I exist", " I Am Real", " I Am God!"

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:33 am

Is God Real?

Do you want him to be Real?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:23 am

There have been days that I doubted God was real. I would be walking down the street and see a Red Cardinal flying by; then a little rabbit hoping along; I could see trees and shurbs of all sorts and kinds; and look and see people who are conscious and different than me in mind;

then I think to myself that all this must have came about from reason and intelligence. I can't be living in luck.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:02 am

Is God real? Well look at the size of the Universe he made; Voyager 1 just left our solar system after traveling over 30 years at 38,000 miles an hour and is now 11.7 billion miles from earth. Its in what they call empty space now and will take another 40,000 years to fly near the next star!

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:58 am

Is God real? Well just ask the scientist who are working on " The God Gene", a fascinating experiment that is looking into an actual physical gene that is naturally tuned into spiritual things in humans.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:59 am

Is God real? It will prove itself.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Fri Sep 20, 2013 2:07 pm

It's a simple question. The choice of answers is simple as well yes or no.

You are real otherwise you would not be having this conversation (cogito ergo sum and all that) to deduce from that that god must exist is a leap of faith/wishful thinking that does not stand up to scrutiny unless you just want to believe in his existence. Never let reason get in the way of faith.

There is no such being.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:13 pm

gmc;1436387 wrote: It's a simple question. The choice of answers is simple as well yes or no.

You are real otherwise you would not be having this conversation (cogito ergo sum and all that) to deduce from that that god must exist is a leap of faith/wishful thinking that does not stand up to scrutiny unless you just want to believe in his existence. Never let reason get in the way of faith.

There is no such being.

There is no such being in a mind such as yours, there definitely is one in a mind like mine. And many minds in history believed through science that God existed, such as;

Louis Aggasiz , the founder of Glacial Science

Charles Babbage , the creator of the computer

Francis Bacon , the father of the scientific method

Sir Charles Bell, the first to map the brain ans nervous system

Robert Boyle, the father of modern Chemistry

George Cuvier, founder of comparative Anatomy

John Dalton, founder of Atomic Theory

Jean Henri Fabre, founder of Entomology

John Ambrose Fleming, founder of Electronics

James Joule, the First Law of Thermodynamics

Johannes Kepler, the Laws of Planetary Motion

Carolus Linnaeus, founder of Taxonomy

James Clerk Maxwell, founder of the Electromagnetic Theory of Light

Gregor Mendel, Founder of Genetics

Isaac Newton, the Universal Laws of Gravitation

Blaise Pascal, who contributed to Hydrostatics

Lousi Pasteur, Germ Theory.

All these great scientific minds used science, not faith, to support their belief in God.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:37 am

Again to recap, is God real? Well you can research these leads;

Causality

Morality

The Cosmological Argument

The Ontological Argument

The Modal Argument

Chirality

The Bones of the Apostle Peter under the Vatican Bacilica

The Anthropic Principles

Paleontology

Irreducible Complexity

DNA

The Second Law of Thermodynamics

Life Spans

Metamorphosis

Entrophy

Proteins

Biblical Archaeology

The Apostle Peters house

Hezekiahs Tunnel

Membranes

The Kalam Cosmological Argument

Laws of Conservation

The Higgs Boson

The Dead Sea Scrolls

Biological Evolution

Human language

The Ideographic trail of Consciousness, and Consciousness itself

Biogenesis

Human Emotion

The bones of Caiaphas and Simon the Cyrenian

Soteriology

Civilization

The origin of religion itself

The Law of Perpetual Transmutation

The Law of Mentality

The size of Quasars

All these can lead to a revelation that God is real, through real indept research.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:41 am

Was Jesus Real? If we consider God being Real, then we should consider was Jesus real. Well according to these people and writers in history, he was;

Sextus Julius Africanus

Celsus

Tacitus

Pliny the Younger and his Correspondance to the Roman Emperor Trajan

Thallus

Origen

Josephus

Lucian

Tertullian

Dionysius the Areopagite

Hegesippus

Clement

Conon

Porphyry of Tyre

Polycarp

Eusebius

Irenaeus

Ignatius

Justin Martyr

Phlegon

Mara Bar-Serapion

Julian the Apostate

Ussher

Paulus Orosius

The Toledot Yeshu

Clemet of Alexandria

Chrysostom

Macarius the Elder

Or one could ask what credible historians ever claimed that Jesus did not exist?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:17 am

As to Jesus being real, more people wrote about him;

Aristides the Athenian

Quadratus of Athens

The writer of the espitle of Barnabus

We have the actual bone box of Caiaphas, the High Priest who slapped him in the face

We also have the bone box of Simon the Cyrenian who helped carry his cross

We know the actual location of his death at the mountian of the Skull, Golgotha

We have the lake he was baptised in , Jordan

We all know Jerusalem is still there, and the Sea of Galaliee where he performed many of his miracles

We have the actual house of his friends Mary and Martha

Not to mention Peters house

We have the Via Dolorosa

The Damascus Gate

Hey man, when you got the bones of people Jesus met and interacted with, the houses of people he knew, the place he was killed, the river he was baptized in, two possible places he was buried in, the city he preached in, the actual spot of a garden he prayed in, a well he drank from, over 40 historians that wrote about him and the Babylonian Talmud that mentions him; good grief what more do you need?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:49 am

What about Jesus in the Old Testament?

Joshua labels him as " The Captain of the Lord of Host", which is a manifestation of Christ.

Ruth Kinsman- that redeemer is Christ.

Nehemiah speaks of bread from heaven and water out of the rock, both typing Christ.

Ecclesiates shows Jesus as one man in a thousand among the emptiness of life under the Sun.

The Song of Solomon is about Christ; faithful Shepard and Bridegroom.

Obadiah tells us of the Deliverer on Mt. Zion.

Haggi calls Jesus the Desire of All Nations.

Malachi calls him the " Sun of Righteousness!"

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:08 am

It is not admittedly an easy task to prove everything in our history, but the weight of some information ought to at least leave an impression on your belief system, as you consider just what to believe. I kind of like Colin Powells " War Doctrine"; if your going to face an enemy, then overwhelm them with as much force as you can. We can take that approach with our look back into history, and just amass all the information on a subject that we possibly can.

Take for instance the story of " Noah's Flood" , which many don't believe and I don't blame them for not believing it, not the way Christians have told it. It was not a worldwide planetary flood, it only flooded the areas where humans were living in at the time; why would God flood vast areas of empty lands? Yet the point I want to make is that there are so many flood story's in so many cultures , its just overwhelming!

I'll just give a short list of them, mind you this is not even a complete list of cultures;

Australia

Babylon

Bolivia

Borneo

Burma

Canada

China

Cuba

East Africa

Egypt

Fiji

French Polynesia

Greece

Guyana

Iceland

India

Iran

Italy

Malay Peninsula

Mexico

New Zealand

Peru

Russia

Vietnam

Wales

Oh so what is this, worldwide mythical happenstance? An incredible historical copy cat crime? Long reaching and miracle man made legend?

No its actual human history that happens to correspond with the bible. And this must be considered in your query of is God real, was Jesus real?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Sep 26, 2013 7:54 am

Is God Real, well these scientist thought he was;

List of Christian thinkers in science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Sep 29, 2013 2:11 pm

Heres a littler something from City-data;

The 100 proofs of God. (atheist, quote, faith, evolution) - Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Atheism, God, Universe, Science, Spirituality, Faith, Evidence - City-Data Forum

henrychalder · Post by **henrychalder** » Wed Oct 16, 2013 4:05 pm

Whats where we come from has anything to do with the question whether god exists? God is everywhere and all knowing, just look around you is proof that an intelligent deity exists as long as you ignore the myth that God is in man's image. How does a bird have the knowledge to build a complicated nest without an apprentice course in nest building? God is an intelligent power that shapes the Universe. God is not there for the survival of one species but can be a helper, not for an individual or is it? Have you ever heard of 'Cosmic Ordering'? isn't it the same as praying to God? Its only by praying that God can hear you as an individual if you do so sincerely, you will be tapping into a higher order that you must respect so be careful what you pray for it may make you suffer to reach your ultimate goal, best to pray for others and for enlightenment and wisdom through the power of God. Around you is an invisible dimension full of souls that we hardly understand and a power that should be respected. The old testament is full of stories pre dating it from more ancient times, they are copies of much older stories from more ancient religions but the overruling fact that a greater power has existed for more than 7 thousand years and beyond. Be a pagan or a Christian pray to your God and you are of the same religion, follow you own interpretation of what God is as long as its with respect and unto others and God will listen to you

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:16 am

henrychalder;1437888 wrote: Whats where we come from has anything to do with the question whether god exists? God is everywhere and all knowing, just look around you is proof that an intelligent deity exists as long as you ignore the myth that God is in man's image. How does a bird have the knowledge to build a complicated nest without an apprentice course in nest building? God is an intelligent power that shapes the Universe. God is not there for the survival of one species but can be a helper, not for an individual or is it? Have you ever heard of 'Cosmic Ordering'? isn't it the same as praying to God? Its only by praying that God can hear you as an individual if you do so sincerely, you will be tapping into a higher order that you must respect so be careful what you pray for it may make you suffer to reach your ultimate goal, best to pray for others and for enlightenment and wisdom through the power of God. Around you is an invisible dimension full of souls that we hardly understand and a power that should be respected. The old testament is full of stories pre dating it from more ancient times, they are copies of much older stories from more ancient religions but the overruling fact that a greater power has existed for more than 7 thousand years and beyond. Be a pagan or a Christian pray to your God and you are of the same religion, follow you own interpretation of what God is as long as its with respect and unto others and God will listen to you

I think God is most likely real, but I have little personal experience of it, because my life has been marred in sin; which has a tendency to blind you from spiritual things. But I think there is definitely evidence of him being real.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:36 am

I view God as being real, and I want and desire for him to become more real to me personally. I got a hunch he is real; I suspect he is real; the evidence leans toward him being real; the historical facts support him being real.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:31 am

Mickiel;1439689 wrote: I view God as being real, and I want and desire for him to become more real to me personally. I got a hunch he is real; I suspect he is real; the evidence leans toward him being real; the historical facts support him being real.

I feel like God is real; we had better hope that he is real; if he is not real, were all going to be in a more serious trouble than we are already in. Its reasonable that God is real; its scientific; its certainly religious; its humane that God is real;

yet its still a mystery?

One worth spending your entire life looking into.

What you got to loose????? Were all goosed anyway!

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:26 am

We read books, play sports, eat food all day; go to schools, try and get educated. We work all the time; travel, sleep, fellowship and fight. And some of us try to consider the spiritual things in life; all these things we do and think about, why not consider God? I mean why not? What you got to gain? What you got to loose?

Is God real??

We spend time doing and thinking everythingelse, why not God? Why should I let how some Atheist's think, dictate how I think about the possibility of God? Why should I let how religious people think, influence how I think about God? Why should I let people period, ruin how I consider God? Yet that is exactly what most people do; let other people dictate how you think on God.

Are you for real?

Think for yourself.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:38 pm

I mean honestly; do you think your mind, your consciousness, is the result of natural science? you think that nothing banged on the door of something, until it burst through? Be for real; you think humans were born from natural selection? The great nothing selected us to exist?

It was either God or the nothing;

its academic!

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:15 am

Convince yourself yet, Mickey?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Dec 01, 2013 3:24 pm

Beauty is natures way of teaching us that God is real; just look at woman, the finest of God's creation; how could something so bueatiful come from under a rock?

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sun Dec 01, 2013 3:44 pm

Mickiel;1441959 wrote: Beauty is natures way of teaching us that God is real; just look at woman, the finest of God's creation; how could something so bueatiful come from under a rock?Nobody said that. Well, your bible says man came from dirt, right?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Dec 01, 2013 7:59 pm

Is God real? Is real- God? Is God reality, and is man a result of that reality??

Is reality a result of God? Or is reality a result of happenstance incredible luck??

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:11 am

My mind is proof that God is real; I will not give over the miracle of my consciousness to some scientific theory and let them try and convince me that my mind came from miracle self inventing matter and chemicals. The way I can think and formulate thoughts, is proof to me of a creating mind of great power. With my mind I can figure and factor and roam the universe and examine and speculate; I give none of that over to godless theory.

I am alive; I live and move and have a being. Rocks and water cannot give me that.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:49 am

What besides God could give reality this universe, humans and animals? What? Explain to me whatelse could have done it? Whatelse could even possibly have such raw reasonable power?

Go get you a bible and a science book; see which one makes more sense for these origins.

There are no other choices.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:45 am

What is it that science fears more than anythingelse? The realness of God; it scares them beyond belief! That reality of not really knowing, but the increase in their knowledge that actually keeps pointing to him. Their finding out there may well be a power beyond their comprehension; that there had to be more to this than their theories.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:47 am

Is God real? Well when your dying or in serious trouble, for some reason you may think he is real; which is interesting.

Post by **LarsMac** » Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:46 am

Mickiel;1442186 wrote: What is it that science fears more than anythingelse? The realness of God; it scares them beyond belief! That reality of not really knowing, but the increase in their knowledge that actually keeps pointing to him. Their finding out there may well be a power beyond their comprehension; that there had to be more to this than their theories.

IF you believe that, then you do not understand the scientific mind.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Fri Dec 06, 2013 4:49 pm

LarsMac;1442249 wrote: IF you believe that, then you do not understand the scientific mind.

Alfred Russell Wallace thought it; perhaps he did not understand the scientific mind, even though he developed the Theory of Natural Selection, and co-founded the Theory of Evolution.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:44 am

Science, like everythingelse, is being used and manipulated by God to set up humanitys transformation from flesh to spirit; then we will know that God is real.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:47 pm

Do you think that life can continue without God? Atheist keep saying that we don't need God, I quess they feel like we need them and that they can replace God,; but first they must displace him.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:36 am

We can know God is real by examining " Light and the Eye", both stunning creations of God. The origin of color is the creative ability of Christ; Jesus factored in Absorption, Amplitude, Aurora, Black-White contrast, Chromatic aberration, Continuum sources, Diffraction, Electromagnetic fields , Frequency, Irridescence, Lenses, Magnification, the list of creative factors is just too long, but they all fit together in an obvious design from a designer.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:16 am

Is God real?;, just examine the laws of Force and Motion; its units and dimensions, vectors and equilibrium. We have particle motion, accelerated motion, oscillations, entropy and heat death, thermodynamics, angular momentum, rotation, centrifugal force, free vibrations, equivalence, gravitation, geophysics, turbulence, how can this detailed kind of physics just create themselves and become a real part of reality, without a God designer?