The Monster, Karla Homolka, To Be Released
The Monster, Karla Homolka, To Be Released
lady cop wrote: it seems the dalai lama and yoda may deign to descend from the mountain. i shall be prepared to genuflect. be ready all, to bend the knee... or your minds.Googling "humility is a sign of" is a sermon all on its own, Lady. Humble is as humble does.
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The Monster, Karla Homolka, To Be Released
None of this has any bearing whatever on a prisoner held for a fixed term in prison where the medical assessment makes no diagnosis of psychopathic disorder. As you so rightly say, "she was not deemed to be a psychopath even at the time she was first put away". Are you trying to redefine the language, saying you can have a thing even if you've been positively diagnosed to be without it? All you're doing is abusing technical terms, which is par for the general public. One does not reform a pathology, if it goes away then either one has cured it or one has observed a spontaneous remission. If you're challenging the competence of - what was it? eight? - qualified practitioners, in their area of expertise, then that's a layman's folly that just muddies the water.
Psychopathy, to remind you, is (to quote our Mental Health Act) ‘a persistent disorder or disability of mind (whether or not including significant impairment of intelligence) which results in abnormally aggressive or seriously irresponsible conduct on the part of the person concerned.’,
Well what are the facts as we know them?
1.Homolka, at the time of her arrest, was NOT a psychopath through analyses.
2.Homolka, at the time of her arrest, exhibited all the behaviors of a psychopath.
So we have that either..
1. She was truly psychopathic, but it was not identified because
a) She fooled the analysts. (maybe, but we don't know for sure either way)
b) There were serious multiple faulty analyses (for - incompetence,
errors, oversights) (not likely, considering the skillset and number of analysts)
or...
2. She was not psychopathic. The behaviors were not deemed abnormal, or
certainly not abnormal enough to be considered a danger to society. And the
diagnosis was unerringly found to be accurate, highly qualified
experts were unanimous in agreement.
We really have a huge problem here. The diagnosis is in conflict with the exhibited behaviors. How can we square that to come to any rational explanation?
Do we lack a proper category to identify Homolka? Not really likely - extreme behaviors such as hers would have a category for identification.
Do we have flaws in the technical process of diagnosing patients that can be manipulated by a clever patient leading to mis-diagnosis? Unknown, as we can never know the capabilities of any single person to skew the data through acting.
Bottom line - it does not matter. She was a danger to society before prison, she is a danger to society after prison. Why? Because NOTHING in the diagnoses of Homolka indicates or "warns of" her persistent, dangerous behavior. She has no "label" that identifies it. Without that "label" the behavior is not considered a danger to society!
Does it matter if she isn't "certified" as one if she acts like one? She was deemed as no threat to society at the very time she was murdering people!! I guess that means she never really needed to go to prison at all!!
Psychopathy, to remind you, is (to quote our Mental Health Act) ‘a persistent disorder or disability of mind (whether or not including significant impairment of intelligence) which results in abnormally aggressive or seriously irresponsible conduct on the part of the person concerned.’,
Well what are the facts as we know them?
1.Homolka, at the time of her arrest, was NOT a psychopath through analyses.
2.Homolka, at the time of her arrest, exhibited all the behaviors of a psychopath.
So we have that either..
1. She was truly psychopathic, but it was not identified because
a) She fooled the analysts. (maybe, but we don't know for sure either way)
b) There were serious multiple faulty analyses (for - incompetence,
errors, oversights) (not likely, considering the skillset and number of analysts)
or...
2. She was not psychopathic. The behaviors were not deemed abnormal, or
certainly not abnormal enough to be considered a danger to society. And the
diagnosis was unerringly found to be accurate, highly qualified
experts were unanimous in agreement.
We really have a huge problem here. The diagnosis is in conflict with the exhibited behaviors. How can we square that to come to any rational explanation?
Do we lack a proper category to identify Homolka? Not really likely - extreme behaviors such as hers would have a category for identification.
Do we have flaws in the technical process of diagnosing patients that can be manipulated by a clever patient leading to mis-diagnosis? Unknown, as we can never know the capabilities of any single person to skew the data through acting.
Bottom line - it does not matter. She was a danger to society before prison, she is a danger to society after prison. Why? Because NOTHING in the diagnoses of Homolka indicates or "warns of" her persistent, dangerous behavior. She has no "label" that identifies it. Without that "label" the behavior is not considered a danger to society!
Does it matter if she isn't "certified" as one if she acts like one? She was deemed as no threat to society at the very time she was murdering people!! I guess that means she never really needed to go to prison at all!!
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turbonium wrote: Homolka, at the time of her arrest, exhibited all the behaviors of a psychopath.There's the nub, turbonium. Where have you a source that documents the truth of this assertion? I agree entirely with your analysis, if there's something out there that I've missed that demonstrates this.
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Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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Hi spot, from the link at bottom comes this info... I'll post more details next.
She was directly evaluated by doctors Hans Arndt, Alan Long, Andrew Malcom, Chris Hatcher, Stephen Hucker, Peter Jaffe and Angus McDonald, all of whom were in agreement in terms of her diagnosis as a battered wife suffering from severe clinical depression and post traumatic stress disorder. In fact, Dr. Sharon Williams, an expert on incarcerated sex offenders and psychopaths, and who evaluated her between 1996 and 1999, concluded that Karla Homolka was not a psychopath, and not a danger to reoffend.[URL=She was directly evaluated by doctors Hans Arndt, Alan Long, Andrew Malcom, Chris Hatcher, Stephen Hucker, Peter Jaffe and Angus McDonald, all of whom were in agreement in terms of her diagnosis as a battered wife suffering from severe clinical depression and post traumatic stress disorder. In fact, Dr. Sharon Williams, an expert on incarcerated sex offenders and psychopaths, and who evaluated her between 1996 and 1999, concluded that Karla Homolka was not a psychopath, and not a danger to reoffend.
(Sorry link problem I'll try again)
She was directly evaluated by doctors Hans Arndt, Alan Long, Andrew Malcom, Chris Hatcher, Stephen Hucker, Peter Jaffe and Angus McDonald, all of whom were in agreement in terms of her diagnosis as a battered wife suffering from severe clinical depression and post traumatic stress disorder. In fact, Dr. Sharon Williams, an expert on incarcerated sex offenders and psychopaths, and who evaluated her between 1996 and 1999, concluded that Karla Homolka was not a psychopath, and not a danger to reoffend.[URL=She was directly evaluated by doctors Hans Arndt, Alan Long, Andrew Malcom, Chris Hatcher, Stephen Hucker, Peter Jaffe and Angus McDonald, all of whom were in agreement in terms of her diagnosis as a battered wife suffering from severe clinical depression and post traumatic stress disorder. In fact, Dr. Sharon Williams, an expert on incarcerated sex offenders and psychopaths, and who evaluated her between 1996 and 1999, concluded that Karla Homolka was not a psychopath, and not a danger to reoffend.
(Sorry link problem I'll try again)
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Homolka
Link works here now!
Link works here now!
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turbonium wrote: Homolka
Link works here now!There's 3279 words on that link, turbonium, and all I can see it saying is the exact opposite of your "Homolka, at the time of her arrest, exhibited all the behaviors of a psychopath". Would you like to copy the specific short passage that you think agrees with you?
If I go to wikipedia, I prefer to quote the wikipedia site, not an advertising clone.
Link works here now!There's 3279 words on that link, turbonium, and all I can see it saying is the exact opposite of your "Homolka, at the time of her arrest, exhibited all the behaviors of a psychopath". Would you like to copy the specific short passage that you think agrees with you?
If I go to wikipedia, I prefer to quote the wikipedia site, not an advertising clone.
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HERE SPOT! .. :wah:
Scroll down to the paragraph header "Prison" and read from there
Scroll down to the paragraph header "Prison" and read from there
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turbonium wrote: Scroll down to the paragraph header "Prison" and read from thereI *did* that, turbonium. I can see *nothing* that says what you've said. If you can see it, what's so difficult about taking the relevant couple of sentences and putting them into the thread?
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The Monster, Karla Homolka, To Be Released
OK -
None of the psychologists and psychiatrists who have examined her personally have diagnosed her as a psychopath although the term has been widely used. Those professionals that have used the term relied upon interview transcripts, case reports, video documentation, and newspaper articles as the basis of their diagnosis. Dr. Sharon Williams, an expert on incarcerated sex offenders and psychopaths, who evaluated her between 1996 and 1999, concluded that Karla Homolka was not a psychopath, and not likely to reoffend
There is also 1993 evaluation info I'm poring over that says she was not psychopathic at time of arrest. I'll post it asap.
None of the psychologists and psychiatrists who have examined her personally have diagnosed her as a psychopath although the term has been widely used. Those professionals that have used the term relied upon interview transcripts, case reports, video documentation, and newspaper articles as the basis of their diagnosis. Dr. Sharon Williams, an expert on incarcerated sex offenders and psychopaths, who evaluated her between 1996 and 1999, concluded that Karla Homolka was not a psychopath, and not likely to reoffend
There is also 1993 evaluation info I'm poring over that says she was not psychopathic at time of arrest. I'll post it asap.
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But... all the passages you're highlighting are saying, in effect, "Homolka, at the time of her arrest, did not exhibit the behaviors of a psychopath."
What you wrote was "Homolka, at the time of her arrest, exhibited all the behaviors of a psychopath.".
Which is it you intend?
What you wrote was "Homolka, at the time of her arrest, exhibited all the behaviors of a psychopath.".
Which is it you intend?
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Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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The Monster, Karla Homolka, To Be Released
spot wrote: But... all the passages you're highlighting are saying, in effect, "Homolka, at the time of her arrest, did not exhibit the behaviors of a psychopath."
What you wrote was "Homolka, at the time of her arrest, exhibited all the behaviors of a psychopath.".
Which is it you intend?
NO - I am highlighting that she was not diagnosed and evaluated to BE a psychopath
She had just murdered Kristin French months before her arrest. We don't know if any other rapes or murders were committed between the months from French's murder to her arrest. So, if you want to get nit-picky about it, you could say she didn't commit the murder within the previous 24 hours, so she might not have exhibited psychopathic behavior after French's murder!
But, since she had exhibited psychopathic behavior for six continuous years from first to last murder, it's not likely she changed her behavior in the months after French's murder before her arrest.
What you wrote was "Homolka, at the time of her arrest, exhibited all the behaviors of a psychopath.".
Which is it you intend?
NO - I am highlighting that she was not diagnosed and evaluated to BE a psychopath
She had just murdered Kristin French months before her arrest. We don't know if any other rapes or murders were committed between the months from French's murder to her arrest. So, if you want to get nit-picky about it, you could say she didn't commit the murder within the previous 24 hours, so she might not have exhibited psychopathic behavior after French's murder!
But, since she had exhibited psychopathic behavior for six continuous years from first to last murder, it's not likely she changed her behavior in the months after French's murder before her arrest.
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You've just gone round in a circle. I'm asking you to show any source that documents the truth of this assertion of yours, that "Homolka, at the time of her arrest, exhibited all the behaviors of a psychopath.", since your entire argument in your original post was dependent on the truth of it.
If you decide you can't, but only if, then try to find any source that documents that Homolka, at any time, exhibited all the behaviors of a psychopath. Not your say-so, just an authoritative source.
If you decide you can't, but only if, then try to find any source that documents that Homolka, at any time, exhibited all the behaviors of a psychopath. Not your say-so, just an authoritative source.
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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The Monster, Karla Homolka, To Be Released
spot wrote: You've just gone round in a circle. I'm asking you to show any source that documents the truth of this assertion of yours, that "Homolka, at the time of her arrest, exhibited all the behaviors of a psychopath.", since your entire argument in your original post was dependent on the truth of it.
If you decide you can't, but only if, then try to find any source that documents that Homolka, at any time, exhibited all the behaviors of a psychopath. Not your say-so, just an authoritative source.
Here is one ....
Psychologists Suggest Bernardo and Homolka are Psychopaths
Some psychologists who have followed the Bernardo trial say the crimes Homolka and Bernardo admitted to committing, and their almost total lack of emotion in the witness box, suggest psychopathic tendencies.
"What bothers me about him, and her, too, is the casual way these horrific things are described on the witness stand," said psychologist Robert Hare of the University of British Columbia, one of the world's leading experts on psychopaths.
"When a psychopath commits a violent act, they're not doing it because they're malicious or malevolent or evil. They're doing it because they don't give a damn."
"We look for very simple explanations for complex behavior," he said. "To me, battered women's syndrome does not explain what she did."
"Despite her ability to present herself very well, there is a moral vacuity in her which is difficult, if not impossible, to explain."
"They're like stamp collectors," said psychologist Vern Quinsey of Queen's University in Kingston. "They look at them and think about them and try to do better next time."
Psychopaths tend to be egocentric, lack remorse or guilt and constantly seek excitement, said Hare. They're also unable to empathize with others and tend to be deceitful and emotionally shallow. Only a small percentage are physically violent, he said.
"They are predators - emotional and physical and sexual predators."
"A psychopath who has committed a crime and is caught is now on stage. He doesn't see himself as any sort of pariah, he sees himself as a victim of the system...He's on stage, he's enjoying it, he's loving it.
"What these people do is confuse fame and infamy."
Psycho
I added this only because it's from a relevant profession..
Pat Brown, an investigative criminal profiler, told CTV's Mike Duffy she has no doubt Homolka will re-offend when she is released.
"I hope we just keep a real watchful eye on her, because she will re-offend if she can," she said Thursday during CTV Newsnet's Countdown: with Mike Duffy. "She's a psychopathic, pathological liar, and she's a serial killer and will be until the day she dies."
Psych
If you decide you can't, but only if, then try to find any source that documents that Homolka, at any time, exhibited all the behaviors of a psychopath. Not your say-so, just an authoritative source.
Here is one ....
Psychologists Suggest Bernardo and Homolka are Psychopaths
Some psychologists who have followed the Bernardo trial say the crimes Homolka and Bernardo admitted to committing, and their almost total lack of emotion in the witness box, suggest psychopathic tendencies.
"What bothers me about him, and her, too, is the casual way these horrific things are described on the witness stand," said psychologist Robert Hare of the University of British Columbia, one of the world's leading experts on psychopaths.
"When a psychopath commits a violent act, they're not doing it because they're malicious or malevolent or evil. They're doing it because they don't give a damn."
"We look for very simple explanations for complex behavior," he said. "To me, battered women's syndrome does not explain what she did."
"Despite her ability to present herself very well, there is a moral vacuity in her which is difficult, if not impossible, to explain."
"They're like stamp collectors," said psychologist Vern Quinsey of Queen's University in Kingston. "They look at them and think about them and try to do better next time."
Psychopaths tend to be egocentric, lack remorse or guilt and constantly seek excitement, said Hare. They're also unable to empathize with others and tend to be deceitful and emotionally shallow. Only a small percentage are physically violent, he said.
"They are predators - emotional and physical and sexual predators."
"A psychopath who has committed a crime and is caught is now on stage. He doesn't see himself as any sort of pariah, he sees himself as a victim of the system...He's on stage, he's enjoying it, he's loving it.
"What these people do is confuse fame and infamy."
Psycho
I added this only because it's from a relevant profession..
Pat Brown, an investigative criminal profiler, told CTV's Mike Duffy she has no doubt Homolka will re-offend when she is released.
"I hope we just keep a real watchful eye on her, because she will re-offend if she can," she said Thursday during CTV Newsnet's Countdown: with Mike Duffy. "She's a psychopathic, pathological liar, and she's a serial killer and will be until the day she dies."
Psych
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spot wrote: Googling "humility is a sign of" is a sermon all on its own, Lady. Humble is as humble does.do not presume to lecture or sermonize to me spot, you don't know me at all.
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spot wrote: You've just gone round in a circle. I'm asking you to show any source that documents the truth of this assertion of yours, that "Homolka, at the time of her arrest, exhibited all the behaviors of a psychopath.", since your entire argument in your original post was dependent on the truth of it.
Come off it Spot, are you telling us that it's normal behaviour to commit and aide the atrocities that she was arrested for?
It does'nt take Einstein to work the math out and come to the conclusion that the woman is a psycho!
Come off it Spot, are you telling us that it's normal behaviour to commit and aide the atrocities that she was arrested for?
It does'nt take Einstein to work the math out and come to the conclusion that the woman is a psycho!
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lady cop wrote: do not presume to lecture or sermonize to me spot, you don't know me at all. Lady, if you can post "it seems the dalai lama and yoda may deign to descend from the mountain. i shall be prepared to genuflect. be ready all, to bend the knee... or your minds" you can take it as well as give it. I know as much of you as you write. That, on Forum Garden, is all there is to know, you define yourself here, nobody does it to you. My post isn't presumption, it's description. Now you can go right ahead with your genuflecting.
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Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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oh spot, i can take plenty, that's what i do, deal with the dregs. but you did not "describe" anything. you presumed to edify me on humility. as you well know the post was not directed at you, so why don't you butt out? don't you have some pinhead to dance upon? koan and i know each other rather well and can thrash out any differences. you have no damn clue as to the history or the former friendship.
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You define yourself here, nobody does it to you. My mention of humility refered solely to your insistence on loudly boldfacing every word you say. Butting out, presumably, is an instruction to walk out of an Audience backwards, as from royalty? To reverse away back-first, rather than insulting the Royal Presence with any part but one's face? The call to humility obviously came without a moment to spare.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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spot wrote: You define yourself here, nobody does it to you. My mention of humility refered solely to your insistence on loudly boldfacing every word you say. Butting out, presumably, is an instruction to walk out of an Audience backwards, as from royalty? To reverse away back-first, rather than insulting the Royal Presence with any part but one's face? The call to humility obviously came without a moment to spare.AH so it's my bold type that gives offense! and as you well know, butt out means mind your own business. IF you knew me you would know a lack of humility is not among my character defects. however, i do need a certain persona to deal with what i deal with. mary poppins can't do my job. i don't take shite. period. i am also a loving and good person who has helped many a person here, including the person to whom my comment was directed. which wasn't YOU.
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lady cop wrote: i am also a loving and good person who has helped many a person hereIncluding me, Lady, including me. I don't know where I'd be without your example leading the way.
I know quite well what "butt out" means, I was just wondering aloud where the expression came from. Since you used it, you might have known, that's all. It doesn't form a part of my vocabulary.
I know quite well what "butt out" means, I was just wondering aloud where the expression came from. Since you used it, you might have known, that's all. It doesn't form a part of my vocabulary.
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Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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spot I wish I knew more about you and how you tick.... but might I suggest you jump out of the box a little more often. Be a little less rigid in your comments to others here and don't take everything so personal. Remember we all come from different places and terms and quotes and ways of saying things all vary. Dont' pick everyone apart if they don't match your ways. I am not yelling at you, or getting in your face, I am merely suggesting this to you with the hopes that you may fit in a little better. You are becoming your own worst enemy here.
�You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.�
• Mae West
• Mae West
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spot wrote: Including me, Lady, including me. I don't know where I'd be without your example leading the way YOUR SARCASM IS NOTED TROLL. but even though you would rather think of me as some cop-mentality thug, perhaps you should take a poll of those who DO know me.
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lady cop wrote: YOUR SARCASM IS NOTED TROLL. but even though you would rather think of me as some cop-mentality thug, perhaps you should take a poll of those who DO know me. If you feel the need for a vote of confidence, Lady, I'm sure you know where the buttons are to arrange one. How do you restrict voting eligibility to just those who do know you, though?
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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minks wrote: You are becoming your own worst enemy here.Oh, with friends like you, minks, I doubt that very much!
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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spot wrote: If you feel the need for a vote of confidence, Lady, I'm sure you know where the buttons are to arrange one. How do you restrict voting eligibility to just those who do know you, though?i wouldn't need to stuff the ballot box spot. are you accusing me now of something nefarious?
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lady cop wrote: i wouldn't need to stuff the ballot box spot. are you accusing me now of something nefarious?No, just laughing at the idea you can write "YOUR SARCASM IS NOTED TROLL" when you started the entire exchange with that drippingly sarcastic comment about the Dalai Lama and Yoda. When you do it, it's not trolling, of course, and a lack of humility is not among your character defects. You should go on Saturday Night Live with material like yours.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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yes, my sgt. and my squad find me vastly amusing, they love me... perhaps i should. they also find me vastly effective. and so do the FG people for whom i have intervened.
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Spot hunny your flaming LC plain and simple all sarcasm aside the bottom line is what your doing is wrong.
Sarcasm that you refer to with LC is not directed at you so that is not being a troll.
Sarcasm that you refer to with LC is not directed at you so that is not being a troll.
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minks wrote: Sarcasm that you refer to with LC is not directed at you so that is not being a troll.It strikes me that you might actually be right. I had it in mind, when I saw "Dalai Lama and Yoda", that I'd been likened to a green fictional character with no sense of humor on FG, but it now occurs to me that it was the Grinch, not Yoda. Maybe I wasn't being got at after all.
I still want to see the promised observances, though. First you get down on your knees, fiddle with your rosaries, bow your head with great respect and genuflect, genuflect, genuflect!
I still want to see the promised observances, though. First you get down on your knees, fiddle with your rosaries, bow your head with great respect and genuflect, genuflect, genuflect!
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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spot wrote: It strikes me that you might actually be right. I had it in mind, when I saw "Dalai Lama and Yoda", that I'd been likened to a green fictional character with no sense of humor on FG, but it now occurs to me that it was the Grinch, not Yoda. Maybe I wasn't being got at after all.
I still want to see the promised observances, though. First you get down on your knees, fiddle with your rosaries, bow your head with great respect and genuflect, genuflect, genuflect!you knew damn well it was not directed at you. you simply had to comment. and pontificate.
I still want to see the promised observances, though. First you get down on your knees, fiddle with your rosaries, bow your head with great respect and genuflect, genuflect, genuflect!you knew damn well it was not directed at you. you simply had to comment. and pontificate.
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spot - do you understand now what I was saying about Homolka?
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spot wrote: It strikes me that you might actually be right. I had it in mind, when I saw "Dalai Lama and Yoda", that I'd been likened to a green fictional character with no sense of humor on FG, but it now occurs to me that it was the Grinch, not Yoda. Maybe I wasn't being got at after all.
I still want to see the promised observances, though. First you get down on your knees, fiddle with your rosaries, bow your head with great respect and genuflect, genuflect, genuflect!
If I am down on my knees, it ain't for fiddling with rosaries.
I still want to see the promised observances, though. First you get down on your knees, fiddle with your rosaries, bow your head with great respect and genuflect, genuflect, genuflect!
If I am down on my knees, it ain't for fiddling with rosaries.
�You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.�
• Mae West
• Mae West
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turbonium wrote: spot - do you understand now what I was saying about Homolka?My child, in between all the uncalled-for incoming flack on this thread I'm sat peaceably looking through the article you showed me, and finding out who the people you quoted are, and asking myself why they said what they said. You did, very much, selectively quote from it material that supported your contention. The entire argument put both sides, such as they are, you repeated just one.
What is interesting about the people you quote is that - so far as I can tell - they haven't met her, they're assessing her from a distance with no access to anything but the public record, and it's entirely in their professional interest that what they say is accepted as true, they aren't in the least unbiased. They also, as we noted earlier, disagree with all eight of the psychologists who did assess her before this small subset of practitioners spoke on the matter.
In his sales pitch, "Dr. Hare ... still frequently consults with the English prison service as well as with other prison services and law enforcement organizations in North America and England". The quote you gave will have raised his income from some quarters.
Vern Quinsey was referring to psychopaths in general in the article, not to Karla Homolka. Nothing he said in it referred to her. Go back and re-read it.
I still think your basic flaw is that there really have been eight fully qualified professionals who have examined her, who have said unequivocally that she is not a psychopath. Why a body of evidence as weighty as that should be set aside just because you want your own lay interpretation of your "psychopath" label to stick, I'm not sure.
The problem with the label is that it's generally, and reasonably, regarded as permanent. You're trying to apply it to someone to whom the profession has refused to apply it. I don't think you're qualified to do that. Finding one or two publicity-seekers among the medical profession doesn't surprise me in the least.
What is interesting about the people you quote is that - so far as I can tell - they haven't met her, they're assessing her from a distance with no access to anything but the public record, and it's entirely in their professional interest that what they say is accepted as true, they aren't in the least unbiased. They also, as we noted earlier, disagree with all eight of the psychologists who did assess her before this small subset of practitioners spoke on the matter.
In his sales pitch, "Dr. Hare ... still frequently consults with the English prison service as well as with other prison services and law enforcement organizations in North America and England". The quote you gave will have raised his income from some quarters.
Vern Quinsey was referring to psychopaths in general in the article, not to Karla Homolka. Nothing he said in it referred to her. Go back and re-read it.
I still think your basic flaw is that there really have been eight fully qualified professionals who have examined her, who have said unequivocally that she is not a psychopath. Why a body of evidence as weighty as that should be set aside just because you want your own lay interpretation of your "psychopath" label to stick, I'm not sure.
The problem with the label is that it's generally, and reasonably, regarded as permanent. You're trying to apply it to someone to whom the profession has refused to apply it. I don't think you're qualified to do that. Finding one or two publicity-seekers among the medical profession doesn't surprise me in the least.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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lady cop wrote: you simply had to comment. and pontificate.Purely as an aside - to pontificate is something I aspire to, of course. It is to act as does a pontiff. These days, that's generally held to be the Pope, but the term was only applied to his office after a passing reference by one of the Church Fathers, Tertullian, around 220ad, when he said that the bishops of his day were acting like the pagan priests in ancient Rome. The head of the pagan priests was the Pontifex Maximus, and that's the title Tertullian unintentionally transferred to the Popes of the Roman Catholic Church ever since.
Now - the punchline - why was the Head of the principal college of priests in ancient Rome called the Pontifex Maximus? Because it means "greatest bridge-builder". What better title could anyone have on a bulletin board than that, the builder of bridges?
Now - the punchline - why was the Head of the principal college of priests in ancient Rome called the Pontifex Maximus? Because it means "greatest bridge-builder". What better title could anyone have on a bulletin board than that, the builder of bridges?
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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You know Spot if you weren't so condescending to posters you might get a better response. Everytime I read one of your post all I see is you pointing out what is wrong with everyone's posts. Who left you in charge, your pompous, arrogant, and so full of yourself you just can't let it go. Your self righteous attitude is beyond boring and offensive to most of us. You make it almost impossible to like you period, what the heck happened to your sense of humor, or your sense of fair play?? Do you always have to be the winner ?? KINDA LIKE THE SCHOOL YARD BULLY.. 
Might you need a few trips to the shrink to figure out why your so damn pompous...
Also what is between Koan and LC is their business, not yours..
I would say this fits KARLA for me she is a SOCIOPATH
The noun sociopathic personality has one meaning:
Meaning #1: a personality disorder characterized by amorality and lack of affect; capable of violent acts without guilt feelings (`psychopathic personality' was once widely used but was superseded by `sociopathic personality' to indicate the social aspects of the disorder; `antisocial personality disorder' is currently the preferred term)
Might you need a few trips to the shrink to figure out why your so damn pompous...Also what is between Koan and LC is their business, not yours..
I would say this fits KARLA for me she is a SOCIOPATH
The noun sociopathic personality has one meaning:
Meaning #1: a personality disorder characterized by amorality and lack of affect; capable of violent acts without guilt feelings (`psychopathic personality' was once widely used but was superseded by `sociopathic personality' to indicate the social aspects of the disorder; `antisocial personality disorder' is currently the preferred term)
ALOHA!!
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
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CARLA wrote: I would say this fits KARLA for me she is a SOCIOPATHIt's so comforting to see a professional take charge and sort matters. Thank you. Now we know. Perhaps, if you have a space in your diary, I could lie on your couch and get well again? Just let me know your rate.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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As I suspected there is a hint you may have a sense of humor. But you ever present pompous self righteous attitude always comes to the forefront and squashes any hope that you might be anything other than a SCHOOL YARD BULLY..
It's so comforting to see a professional take charge and sort matters. Thank you. Now we know. Perhaps, if you have a space in your diary, I could lie on your couch and get well again? Just let me know your rate.
It's so comforting to see a professional take charge and sort matters. Thank you. Now we know. Perhaps, if you have a space in your diary, I could lie on your couch and get well again? Just let me know your rate.
ALOHA!!
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
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CARLA wrote: As I suspected there is a hint you may have a sense of humor. But you ever present pompous self righteous attitude always comes to the forefront and squashes any hope that you might be anything other than a SCHOOL YARD BULLY.. :mad:I've never had a sense of humor, CARLA. Pompous takes practice and by golly, I'm working at it. Self righteous is natural in one who is never wrong. I last saw a schoolyard a very long time ago, when schools had cycle sheds and pupils only had surnames. I am incapable of bullying, if I see someone weaker than me I go out of my way to help. What you're watching here isn't bullying, it's aversion therapy, I'm tired of meekly letting people snipe without reacting.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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Well I was right on 3 personality traits. I would implore you to find a sense of humor immediately or you will continue to have me barking at your heels about your lack of one. Also try a little humility, pompous is boring as hell. :sneaky:
I've never had a sense of humor, CARLA. Pompous takes practice and by golly, I'm working at it. Self righteous is natural in one who is never wrong. I last saw a schoolyard a very long time ago, when schools had cycle sheds and pupils only had surnames. I am incapable of bullying, if I see someone weaker than me I go out of my way to help. What you're watching here isn't bullying, it's aversion therapy, I'm tired of meekly letting people snipe without reacting.
I've never had a sense of humor, CARLA. Pompous takes practice and by golly, I'm working at it. Self righteous is natural in one who is never wrong. I last saw a schoolyard a very long time ago, when schools had cycle sheds and pupils only had surnames. I am incapable of bullying, if I see someone weaker than me I go out of my way to help. What you're watching here isn't bullying, it's aversion therapy, I'm tired of meekly letting people snipe without reacting.
ALOHA!!
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
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spot - Do you even read back what you write, ''my child''? :wah: You ask for sources, I provide them, then you say the sources are just one side of an opinion, and not a valid opinion at that! The only way you can try to weasel out of the fact I sourced what you asked for? Well, you lower yourself to slandering a top professional in the field as unqualified to make an assessment becaue you think he didn't see her in person, and also have the gall to suggest he is only motivated to say these things out of greed!
Quite remarkable- do you always work so hard at being a hypocrite, or is it just a natural talent you've always had? You can't even begin to support your claims against the source I've given you.
Quite remarkable- do you always work so hard at being a hypocrite, or is it just a natural talent you've always had? You can't even begin to support your claims against the source I've given you.
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turbonium wrote: spot - Do you even read back what you write, ''my child''? :wah: You ask for sources, I provide them, then you say the sources are just one side of an opinion, and not a valid opinion at that! The only way you can try to weasel out of the fact I sourced what you asked for? Well, you lower yourself to slandering a top professional in the field as unqualified to make an assessment becaue you think he didn't see her in person, and also have the gall to suggest he is only motivated to say these things out of greed!
Quite remarkable- do you always work so hard at being a hypocrite, or is it just a natural talent you've always had? You can't even begin to support your claims against the source I've given you.I most vertainly do read back what I write. You don't seem to have followed my point. Perhaps I was too delicate? Let me try more bluntly.
Look, go back and see what you posted as quotes, and then the article. Have you no idea how much you've twisted the meaning and left out all the bits you didn't like?
Take Dr. Angus McDonald's comments:
Even a psychiatrist retained by the prosecution - but not called as a witness at Bernardo's trial - said Homolka's role in the horrific crimes can't be fully explained by the abuse she suffered.
"Karla Homolka remains something of a diagnostic mystery." Dr. Angus McDonald wrote in his report, which the Bernardo jury never saw.
"Despite her ability to present herself very well, there is a moral vacuity in her which is difficult, if not impossible, to explain."What you did with that, which explicitly says she's not a psychopath, was to cut it down to the last paragraph of the three, and add just that one paragraph, unattributed, to the comments of Professor Robert Hare to make it appear to be written by him and supporting his view. If you think I'm wrong then for goodness' sake, go back and check me. Your posting is a selective perversion of the original.
Quite remarkable- do you always work so hard at being a hypocrite, or is it just a natural talent you've always had? You can't even begin to support your claims against the source I've given you.I most vertainly do read back what I write. You don't seem to have followed my point. Perhaps I was too delicate? Let me try more bluntly.
Look, go back and see what you posted as quotes, and then the article. Have you no idea how much you've twisted the meaning and left out all the bits you didn't like?
Take Dr. Angus McDonald's comments:
Even a psychiatrist retained by the prosecution - but not called as a witness at Bernardo's trial - said Homolka's role in the horrific crimes can't be fully explained by the abuse she suffered.
"Karla Homolka remains something of a diagnostic mystery." Dr. Angus McDonald wrote in his report, which the Bernardo jury never saw.
"Despite her ability to present herself very well, there is a moral vacuity in her which is difficult, if not impossible, to explain."What you did with that, which explicitly says she's not a psychopath, was to cut it down to the last paragraph of the three, and add just that one paragraph, unattributed, to the comments of Professor Robert Hare to make it appear to be written by him and supporting his view. If you think I'm wrong then for goodness' sake, go back and check me. Your posting is a selective perversion of the original.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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This is the relevant point spot......
Psychologists Suggest Bernardo and Homolka are Psychopaths
Some psychologists who have followed the Bernardo trial say the crimes Homolka and Bernardo admitted to committing, and their almost total lack of emotion in the witness box, suggest psychopathic tendencies.
"What bothers me about him, and her, too, is the casual way these horrific things are described on the witness stand," said psychologist Robert Hare of the University of British Columbia, one of the world's leading experts on psychopaths.
"When a psychopath commits a violent act, they're not doing it because they're malicious or malevolent or evil. They're doing it because they don't give a damn."
Psychologists Suggest Bernardo and Homolka are Psychopaths
Some psychologists who have followed the Bernardo trial say the crimes Homolka and Bernardo admitted to committing, and their almost total lack of emotion in the witness box, suggest psychopathic tendencies.
"What bothers me about him, and her, too, is the casual way these horrific things are described on the witness stand," said psychologist Robert Hare of the University of British Columbia, one of the world's leading experts on psychopaths.
"When a psychopath commits a violent act, they're not doing it because they're malicious or malevolent or evil. They're doing it because they don't give a damn."
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turbonium wrote: This is the relevant point spot......And on the basis of that " and her, too" we're meant to throw out *all* the other evidence about the matter? If you balance what's been said, the tilt does not go in your direction. I'm not quite sure why you're harping on about it like this. You have frequent lay abuse of a term, you have one psychologist who wants his name in print giving a contrary view to the majority, and that's the basis of your certainty that you're right. It's not a rational basis.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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one important thing you are missing here spot - she is well known for creating a false persona - many past contacts and even her recent inmate 'friends' say it. The ''experts'' are not taking into account in face to face evaluations whether or not she's acting. They take her behaviors and responses as her ''actual'' everyday behavioral state. There are no lie detectors that work for pathological liars
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And to think psychologists get paid money. We'd be better off with them laying new roads, or manning supermarket checkouts. Maybe if we said they had to get a degree and qualify first, they might become more capable?
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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She has never been certified as a psychopath...agreed?
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turbonium wrote: She has never been certified as a psychopath...agreed?Shall we stop trying to simplify? What does certification mean, in Canada? I have no idea.
The wiki article you quoted carries this text, which I assume has been gone over with a toothcomb by people from all sides of the debate and is consequently regarded as accurate:
During her imprisonment Homolka received psychological evaluations from at least seven different psychologists who all agreed that she exhibited the symptoms of "severe clinical depression, battered spousal syndrome and post traumatic stress disorder," all of which she has been treated for while in prison.
The parole board that reviewed Homolka's case in 2001 referred to her as a psychopath, but these were not trained psychiatric professionals. None of the psychologists and psychiatrists who have examined her personally have diagnosed her as a psychopath although the term has been widely used. Those professionals that have used the term relied upon interview transcripts, case reports, video documentation, and newspaper articles as the basis of their diagnosis. Dr. Sharon Williams, an expert on incarcerated sex offenders and psychopaths, who evaluated her between 1996 and 1999, concluded that Karla Homolka was not a psychopath, and not likely to reoffend.Now, if that means in your terminology that she's never been certified as a psychopath, then fine. It's what I'd take, being uninformed and lay, to be the closest I'll get to a complete statement.
The wiki article you quoted carries this text, which I assume has been gone over with a toothcomb by people from all sides of the debate and is consequently regarded as accurate:
During her imprisonment Homolka received psychological evaluations from at least seven different psychologists who all agreed that she exhibited the symptoms of "severe clinical depression, battered spousal syndrome and post traumatic stress disorder," all of which she has been treated for while in prison.
The parole board that reviewed Homolka's case in 2001 referred to her as a psychopath, but these were not trained psychiatric professionals. None of the psychologists and psychiatrists who have examined her personally have diagnosed her as a psychopath although the term has been widely used. Those professionals that have used the term relied upon interview transcripts, case reports, video documentation, and newspaper articles as the basis of their diagnosis. Dr. Sharon Williams, an expert on incarcerated sex offenders and psychopaths, who evaluated her between 1996 and 1999, concluded that Karla Homolka was not a psychopath, and not likely to reoffend.Now, if that means in your terminology that she's never been certified as a psychopath, then fine. It's what I'd take, being uninformed and lay, to be the closest I'll get to a complete statement.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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well i am going to get banned here, i am happy to fall on my sword. spot, you are a troll and an idiot. you must have no life whatsoever since it seems you are always here denigrating people. you dance about on pinheads, you are insulting and condescending. many posters here cannot stand the sight of you. you have hijacked threads with your extreme anal nit-picking, i actually feel sorry for koan with whom you have allied yourself, she doesn't need your grating and obnoxious personality to make her points. she had agnes/paula doing it on another forum and it just made things worse. actually i like koan even though we have parted company as friends. i wish her well. she has the courage of her convictions, you merely irritate. i would like to initiate a poll....who wants spot to go somewhere else? as for me, i have this pesky hurricane to deal with, see you later. ...and on a VERY personal note, which i don't usually do, Bothwell has asked me not to pay you any attention because he is concerned that it will cause me further chest pains. he's right. you're not worth it.
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Full story:
Ex-pal: Karla psychopath
VIDEO:
Wants her jailed for life
Toronto Sun, By ALAN CAIRNS AND BRODIE FENLON, Sun Media, Wed, June 1, 2005
TORONTO -- The woman who initially supported Karla Homolka as a "battered woman" now believes Homolka is dangerous and should be kept in prison for life.
"I think she should still be in there serving the same time as Paul," said Wendy Lutczyn, who worked with Homolka at the Martindale Animal Clinic in St. Catharines.
Ex-pal: Karla psychopath
VIDEO:
Wants her jailed for life
Toronto Sun, By ALAN CAIRNS AND BRODIE FENLON, Sun Media, Wed, June 1, 2005
TORONTO -- The woman who initially supported Karla Homolka as a "battered woman" now believes Homolka is dangerous and should be kept in prison for life.
"I think she should still be in there serving the same time as Paul," said Wendy Lutczyn, who worked with Homolka at the Martindale Animal Clinic in St. Catharines.
"If America Was A Tree, The Left Would Root For The Termites...Greg Gutfeld."
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Lady Cop
What you’ve said so far since I posted on this thread that actually has to do with the topic
i am anti-criminal -murderer -pervert -pedophile? well beat me, whip me, make me write bad checks. i am totally unrepentant and don't give a damn, it's my purpose in life, to keep scum like karla from getting to other peoples' kids.
if karla homolka spit on the sidewalk i'd make sure her probation was violated. and if that makes me a braying lynch mob, OH WELL.
this thread is not about statistics. it's about homolka.
A quick summary seems to show that you hate what you think she is, would bend the law to put her back in jail and don’t care about statistics. IMO.
What you’ve said about me on this thread:
so you'll be renting her a room then? and introducing her to your young daughter?
it seems the dalai lama and yoda may deign to descend from the mountain. i shall be prepared to genuflect. be ready all, to bend the knee... or your minds.
koan and i know each other rather well and can thrash out any differences. you have no damn clue as to the history or the former friendship.
IF you knew me you would know a lack of humility is not among my character defects. however, i do need a certain persona to deal with what i deal with. mary poppins can't do my job. i don't take shite. period. i am also a loving and good person who has helped many a person here, including the person to whom my comment was directed.
i actually feel sorry for koan with whom you have allied yourself, she doesn't need your grating and obnoxious personality to make her points. she had agnes/paula doing it on another forum and it just made things worse. actually i like koan even though we have parted company as friends. i wish her well. she has the courage of her convictions, you merely irritate.
It seems you have much more to say about me than you do about the topic…which I was genuinely interested in prior to this vitriol. (anyone wishing to see all the animosity in its glory is welcome to tread back through the entire post contents)
You were never given permission to speak about me, what I’ve told you about me and my life or, IMO, to discuss any private relationship I may or may not have had with you. Since you found it appropriate to do so and no one has found it appropriate to delete any of this crap let me correct a few facts from my perspective.
I ended our friendship (in which we mutually helped each other at various times) because you were bullying members and trying to involve me in it. I asked you to stop and you did not. Also because you inadvertently emailed me the proof that you were talking trash about me behind my back, along with forwarding other emails divulging personal information about at least one other member without their consent. I have not gone around blurting out private information about you. Enough is enough. Stop being the judge and jury of everyone else and start behaving like the person you claim to be.
I asked you for a reason I shouldn't post this and I got no response or apology for the way you have been treating me. So I post in self defence.
What you’ve said so far since I posted on this thread that actually has to do with the topic
i am anti-criminal -murderer -pervert -pedophile? well beat me, whip me, make me write bad checks. i am totally unrepentant and don't give a damn, it's my purpose in life, to keep scum like karla from getting to other peoples' kids.
if karla homolka spit on the sidewalk i'd make sure her probation was violated. and if that makes me a braying lynch mob, OH WELL.
this thread is not about statistics. it's about homolka.
A quick summary seems to show that you hate what you think she is, would bend the law to put her back in jail and don’t care about statistics. IMO.
What you’ve said about me on this thread:
so you'll be renting her a room then? and introducing her to your young daughter?
it seems the dalai lama and yoda may deign to descend from the mountain. i shall be prepared to genuflect. be ready all, to bend the knee... or your minds.
koan and i know each other rather well and can thrash out any differences. you have no damn clue as to the history or the former friendship.
IF you knew me you would know a lack of humility is not among my character defects. however, i do need a certain persona to deal with what i deal with. mary poppins can't do my job. i don't take shite. period. i am also a loving and good person who has helped many a person here, including the person to whom my comment was directed.
i actually feel sorry for koan with whom you have allied yourself, she doesn't need your grating and obnoxious personality to make her points. she had agnes/paula doing it on another forum and it just made things worse. actually i like koan even though we have parted company as friends. i wish her well. she has the courage of her convictions, you merely irritate.
It seems you have much more to say about me than you do about the topic…which I was genuinely interested in prior to this vitriol. (anyone wishing to see all the animosity in its glory is welcome to tread back through the entire post contents)
You were never given permission to speak about me, what I’ve told you about me and my life or, IMO, to discuss any private relationship I may or may not have had with you. Since you found it appropriate to do so and no one has found it appropriate to delete any of this crap let me correct a few facts from my perspective.
I ended our friendship (in which we mutually helped each other at various times) because you were bullying members and trying to involve me in it. I asked you to stop and you did not. Also because you inadvertently emailed me the proof that you were talking trash about me behind my back, along with forwarding other emails divulging personal information about at least one other member without their consent. I have not gone around blurting out private information about you. Enough is enough. Stop being the judge and jury of everyone else and start behaving like the person you claim to be.
I asked you for a reason I shouldn't post this and I got no response or apology for the way you have been treating me. So I post in self defence.