And before anyone asks about my political alignment, I have this to say; I like the Labour idea of compassion for the less well off, I like the THEORY behind the conservative idea of backing working families (an old Labour idea..), I liked (notice the Dee) the LibDem idea for PR, and I like the UKIP ideas of restricting MASS IMMIGRATION to manageable levels, and taking control of our borders. It's a pity all these ideas don't come from any one party alone...they'd get my vote all day...
Sorry if it's too much common sense at once.
The end of The Union ?
The end of The Union ?
" To finish first, first you have to finish!" Rick Mears. 4x Winner Indy 500. 3x Indycar National Champion.
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Smaug;1479448 wrote: And before anyone asks about my political alignment, I have this to say; I like the Labour idea of compassion for the less well off, I like the THEORY behind the conservative idea of backing working families (an old Labour idea..), I liked (notice the Dee) the LibDem idea for PR, and I like the UKIP ideas of restricting MASS IMMIGRATION to manageable levels, and taking control of our borders. It's a pity all these ideas don't come from any one party alone...they'd get my vote all day...
Sorry if it's too much common sense at once.
You've got my vote.
Sorry if it's too much common sense at once.
You've got my vote.
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FourPart;1479518 wrote: You've got my vote.
Thanks, FourPart. It reassures me somewhat that other folk can understand these issues clearly.:-6
Thanks, FourPart. It reassures me somewhat that other folk can understand these issues clearly.:-6
" To finish first, first you have to finish!" Rick Mears. 4x Winner Indy 500. 3x Indycar National Champion.
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Smaug;1479448 wrote: And before anyone asks about my political alignment, I have this to say; I like the Labour idea of compassion for the less well off, I like the THEORY behind the conservative idea of backing working families (an old Labour idea..), I liked (notice the Dee) the LibDem idea for PR, and I like the UKIP ideas of restricting MASS IMMIGRATION to manageable levels, and taking control of our borders. It's a pity all these ideas don't come from any one party alone...they'd get my vote all day...
Sorry if it's too much common sense at once.
You should relly be voting snp - apart for the mass immigration part. One thing UKIP have never answered is what would happen to all the expats working in europe if eu freedom of movement was restricted Do we really want all those spanish OAP's to move back here?
Sorry if it's too much common sense at once.
You should relly be voting snp - apart for the mass immigration part. One thing UKIP have never answered is what would happen to all the expats working in europe if eu freedom of movement was restricted Do we really want all those spanish OAP's to move back here?
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gmc;1479632 wrote: You should relly be voting snp - apart for the mass immigration part. One thing UKIP have never answered is what would happen to all the expats working in europe if eu freedom of movement was restricted Do we really want all those spanish OAP's to move back here?
Well, Nicola Sturgeon seems to have tapped into a rich vein of popular support, that's for sure! If I lived in Scotland, she might have got my vote. To be fair though, she didn't have much competition. And yes, I can see why Scotland welcomes immigrants, it's a boost to the workforce and as such, is probably viewed rightly as a benefit. As for the Expats....:yh_rotfl
Well, Nicola Sturgeon seems to have tapped into a rich vein of popular support, that's for sure! If I lived in Scotland, she might have got my vote. To be fair though, she didn't have much competition. And yes, I can see why Scotland welcomes immigrants, it's a boost to the workforce and as such, is probably viewed rightly as a benefit. As for the Expats....:yh_rotfl
" To finish first, first you have to finish!" Rick Mears. 4x Winner Indy 500. 3x Indycar National Champion.
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Prty Politics aside, what is wrong with what Nigel Farage proposes of having an Australian Style points system for immigration? It seems to work pretty well for them.
Are they qualified & experienced in such a way that they can be an asset to the country? If yes, points given.
Are they of sufficient private means so as not to be a burden on the country? If yes, points given.
Do they have a job to come to? If yes, points given.
And so on...
This would easily sort out those that would benefit the country from those that just come here to get what they can, by way of a free education, free health treatment, free benefits for staying out of work, free support for their kids here & back home. The list goes on. To me, this seems a perfect solution to the immigration problems. We need to take back control.
Are they qualified & experienced in such a way that they can be an asset to the country? If yes, points given.
Are they of sufficient private means so as not to be a burden on the country? If yes, points given.
Do they have a job to come to? If yes, points given.
And so on...
This would easily sort out those that would benefit the country from those that just come here to get what they can, by way of a free education, free health treatment, free benefits for staying out of work, free support for their kids here & back home. The list goes on. To me, this seems a perfect solution to the immigration problems. We need to take back control.
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FourPart;1479681 wrote: Prty Politics aside, what is wrong with what Nigel Farage proposes of having an Australian Style points system for immigration? It seems to work pretty well for them.
Are they qualified & experienced in such a way that they can be an asset to the country? If yes, points given.
Are they of sufficient private means so as not to be a burden on the country? If yes, points given.
Do they have a job to come to? If yes, points given.
And so on...
This would easily sort out those that would benefit the country from those that just come here to get what they can, by way of a free education, free health treatment, free benefits for staying out of work, free support for their kids here & back home. The list goes on. To me, this seems a perfect solution to the immigration problems. We need to take back control.
That's probably too much common sense, FourPart!
Are they qualified & experienced in such a way that they can be an asset to the country? If yes, points given.
Are they of sufficient private means so as not to be a burden on the country? If yes, points given.
Do they have a job to come to? If yes, points given.
And so on...
This would easily sort out those that would benefit the country from those that just come here to get what they can, by way of a free education, free health treatment, free benefits for staying out of work, free support for their kids here & back home. The list goes on. To me, this seems a perfect solution to the immigration problems. We need to take back control.
That's probably too much common sense, FourPart!
" To finish first, first you have to finish!" Rick Mears. 4x Winner Indy 500. 3x Indycar National Champion.
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FourPart;1479681 wrote: Prty Politics aside, what is wrong with what Nigel Farage proposes of having an Australian Style points system for immigration? It seems to work pretty well for them.
Are they qualified & experienced in such a way that they can be an asset to the country? If yes, points given.
Are they of sufficient private means so as not to be a burden on the country? If yes, points given.
Do they have a job to come to? If yes, points given.
And so on...
This would easily sort out those that would benefit the country from those that just come here to get what they can, by way of a free education, free health treatment, free benefits for staying out of work, free support for their kids here & back home. The list goes on. To me, this seems a perfect solution to the immigration problems. We need to take back control.
There are an awful lot of british expats who travel to europe to do casual work in places like bars, picking grapes, waiting tables as well as skilled people engineers, teachers and the like you fimnd them in any european city. Freedom to work anywhere in the eu works for us as well. As to the benefit rules we can already apply restricstion on who can get benefits indeed the vast majority iof eu countries have rulkes whereby you cannot get benefits unless you have actually paid in to it in the first place. Britain is the exception in allowing migrants access to the welfare system
French-born SNP MSP cannot vote in EU referendum - The Scotsman
EU citizens are the ones likely to feel the impact of a UK exit from Europe the hardest, so to disenfranchise the vast bulk of them is wrong. To exclude EU citizens from voting, many whom have been in the UK for years, who contribute to our economy through their taxes, and whose children are being brought up here is thoroughly undemocratic.
“The citizens of Commonwealth countries like Canada, Australia and New Zealand will have a vote, as indeed will the citizens of three other EU states - Ireland, Malta and Cyprus - so there is no justifiable case for excluding the citizens of the 24 other EU countries who have chosen to make the UK their home and who are resident here.
Are they qualified & experienced in such a way that they can be an asset to the country? If yes, points given.
Are they of sufficient private means so as not to be a burden on the country? If yes, points given.
Do they have a job to come to? If yes, points given.
And so on...
This would easily sort out those that would benefit the country from those that just come here to get what they can, by way of a free education, free health treatment, free benefits for staying out of work, free support for their kids here & back home. The list goes on. To me, this seems a perfect solution to the immigration problems. We need to take back control.
There are an awful lot of british expats who travel to europe to do casual work in places like bars, picking grapes, waiting tables as well as skilled people engineers, teachers and the like you fimnd them in any european city. Freedom to work anywhere in the eu works for us as well. As to the benefit rules we can already apply restricstion on who can get benefits indeed the vast majority iof eu countries have rulkes whereby you cannot get benefits unless you have actually paid in to it in the first place. Britain is the exception in allowing migrants access to the welfare system
French-born SNP MSP cannot vote in EU referendum - The Scotsman
EU citizens are the ones likely to feel the impact of a UK exit from Europe the hardest, so to disenfranchise the vast bulk of them is wrong. To exclude EU citizens from voting, many whom have been in the UK for years, who contribute to our economy through their taxes, and whose children are being brought up here is thoroughly undemocratic.
“The citizens of Commonwealth countries like Canada, Australia and New Zealand will have a vote, as indeed will the citizens of three other EU states - Ireland, Malta and Cyprus - so there is no justifiable case for excluding the citizens of the 24 other EU countries who have chosen to make the UK their home and who are resident here.
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Pete Wishart: Tory plans for Evel are a rushed-through mess | Politics | The National
What this requires is absolute diligence, utmost consideration and a look at all the issues that change of such significance demands. What is required is the usual Parliamentary Bill and legislation that will allow all stages of Parliament to scrutinise, debate and amend this measure as it goes through Parliament. Passing something like Evel with a simple change to the House rules is simply unacceptable and almost unprecedented.
Evel could consign Scottish MPs to a second-class status. We could be denied the opportunity to vote on apparently English only legislation which may have consequences for our Scottish constituents. Yet the Tories seem to want to rush this through at break-neck speed and to hang with the consequences.
Maybe they think the SNP are too new to the house to notice. It seems cameron is hell bent on ending the union.
What this requires is absolute diligence, utmost consideration and a look at all the issues that change of such significance demands. What is required is the usual Parliamentary Bill and legislation that will allow all stages of Parliament to scrutinise, debate and amend this measure as it goes through Parliament. Passing something like Evel with a simple change to the House rules is simply unacceptable and almost unprecedented.
Evel could consign Scottish MPs to a second-class status. We could be denied the opportunity to vote on apparently English only legislation which may have consequences for our Scottish constituents. Yet the Tories seem to want to rush this through at break-neck speed and to hang with the consequences.
Maybe they think the SNP are too new to the house to notice. It seems cameron is hell bent on ending the union.
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gmc;1480050 wrote: Pete Wishart: Tory plans for Evel are a rushed-through mess | Politics | The National
Maybe they think the SNP are too new to the house to notice. It seems cameron is hell bent on ending the union.
Cameron is a blethering idiot if he causes our union to collapse, but he's not alone!
Maybe they think the SNP are too new to the house to notice. It seems cameron is hell bent on ending the union.
Cameron is a blethering idiot if he causes our union to collapse, but he's not alone!
" To finish first, first you have to finish!" Rick Mears. 4x Winner Indy 500. 3x Indycar National Champion.
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Smaug;1480056 wrote: Cameron is a blethering idiot if he causes our union to collapse, but he's not alone!
That's the trouble with pu8blic school - educated beyond their abilities and not bright enoough to think things through.
That's the trouble with pu8blic school - educated beyond their abilities and not bright enoough to think things through.
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gmc;1480078 wrote: That's the trouble with pu8blic school - educated beyond their abilities and not bright enoough to think things through.
I call these people "thin-telligent". A whizz at his/her specialist subject (whatever it is), but with no real-world experience, no imagination and no common sense!!!
I call these people "thin-telligent". A whizz at his/her specialist subject (whatever it is), but with no real-world experience, no imagination and no common sense!!!
" To finish first, first you have to finish!" Rick Mears. 4x Winner Indy 500. 3x Indycar National Champion.
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Smaug;1480080 wrote: I call these people "thin-telligent". A whizz at his/her specialist subject (whatever it is), but with no real-world experience, no imagination and no common sense!!!
That's the problem they've gone from privileged background school university straight in to politics I think very few of them have any idea what it's like for most people.
That's the problem they've gone from privileged background school university straight in to politics I think very few of them have any idea what it's like for most people.
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gmc;1480098 wrote: That's the problem they've gone from privileged background school university straight in to politics I think very few of them have any idea what it's like for most people.
Exactly so. For a variety of reasons, lack of "real-world" experience the biggest problem, followed by no practical business experience, and not much compassion for those less fortunate than themselves.
Exactly so. For a variety of reasons, lack of "real-world" experience the biggest problem, followed by no practical business experience, and not much compassion for those less fortunate than themselves.
" To finish first, first you have to finish!" Rick Mears. 4x Winner Indy 500. 3x Indycar National Champion.