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[gmc]

Scrat;1428276 wrote: Then what is the answer? No disrespect intended Bruv but I don't think you fully understand what you're up against. You're up against an IDEA. You can't kill an idea and when that idea is part of a FAITH, it becomes almost unstoppable. 1.3 billion people are a part of this faith. None of the major powers have treated those people with respect. Brits gassed them, Russians tried to bomb them back into the stoneage, America tried the same thing plus a little more. Israel still steals their land.

They're using your own values, your own system against you. They don't care about the constitution or the Magna Carta, they have their own. They intend to correct the imbalance at your expense - not theirs. It doesn't matter what you think or what you say, they will come after you and they will not stop. You will never be safe.


Actually we have gone through centuries of religious warfare it's one of the main reasons most of europe is secular. There are christians rioting on the streets of paris because they can't have things the way they want. The same argument over and over again do we let religion rule us or stay secular and use our common sense. We have an inbuilt aversion to extremism in this country or if if the authorities are seen to be turning a blind eye to those who advocate murder the most likely outcome if they don't work out a way to curb islamic fundamentalists in the UK will the rise of attacks on muslms and mosques by the far right. The problem with fundamentalists is they perceive tolerance as a weakness and they want open warfare. They're not exactly rational are they? So how do you deal with the insane in our society?

[Accountable]

Scrat;1428276 wrote: Then what is the answer? No disrespect intended Bruv but I don't think you fully understand what you're up against. You're up against an IDEA.


You can't fit an idea with firepower. That's been shown time and again. It's like fighting fire with gasoline. So long as they can claim martyr status, they win. We help them by occupying their land and overthrowing their governments. You fight ideas with better ideas.

[Oscar Namechange]

LarsMac;1428267 wrote: Actually, I don't know from the film that she was arrested "just for carrying the flag."

I hear someone say that.

But there is nothing of the conversation the police had with the woman on holding the flag.

I cannot even tell that she was, in fact, arrested. We only here other people saying so.

There is always more to the story than you really get from one source.


The video wasn't something I randomly pulled off the Internet.

The day after the soldier was beheaded, Muslims In Oldham, the North Of England, took to the streets rejoicing and shouting Allahu Akbar. ( Not reported In the press ) The EDL responded and the footage of the woman being arrested was sent to me by the person who took It. It's now all over Nationalist sites.

The source Is very reliable.

[Scrat]

We help them by occupying their land and overthrowing their governments. You fight ideas with better ideas.


You're joking right?:-3 Tell Iraqis that. :yh_rotfl

The last part makes some sense other than the fact that spreading conflict for the sake of your own petty interests is not a good idea.

In the face of history in the region none of what you say makes any sense. The Wests policy has been one of self interest from day one. For hundreds of years.

[Bruv]

Scrat;1428276 wrote: Then what is the answer? No disrespect intended Bruv but I don't think you fully understand what you're up against.


I say things like that, as in "With all due respect....." then tell em they know bugger all, I am not complaining because I don't think there are any definitive answers, I don't have them.

I would allow Sharia courts,along with the Jewish ones, but I would house them within our Court Houses and monitor them, having them as seperate entities, outside but beside the court system is allowing a seperation too far. All would have to comply any existing sharia court buildings would be outlawed for use.

We must tighten up the display of call to violence type posters on marches, we must have Courts with balls that can judge even handedly without leaning backward to placate.

I can understand the police's stance, in that going in heavy handed at the time would exacerbate the situation.

It's an old story but when asked how you get out of this situation, the answer given is I wouldn't start from here, meaning all the problems have built up over a long time, so mending it will be a long process.

We could start with changing our position regarding controlling other countries domestic politics, down grading our special relationship (coat tail hanging) with USA might help for a start.

[Bruv]

Accountable;1428282 wrote: You can't fit an idea with firepower. That's been shown time and again. It's like fighting fire with gasoline. So long as they can claim martyr status, they win. We help them by occupying their land and overthrowing their governments. You fight ideas with better ideas.
Not even drones ? :sneaky:

I can relate to that answer......but sometimes you talk tosh.

[Oscar Namechange]

Now after Tommy's rare and frank Interview, we can dispel the tabloid propaganda that anyone associated with them or Nationalism Is a racist.

It's not just the UK that Is waking up and turning to the right, all over Europe we have seen a turn to the far right.

With mass Immigration came the extremists unchecked. But what was criminal was governments and local councils funding and supporting the extreme factions of the Muslim faith such as the Salafi/Wahhabi sects. Instead of tight controls, councils endorsed the building of Mosques for these extremist sects where they were free to preach hatred.

I and may others find them steaming hypocrits. Unlike many Muslims who came to the UK for a better life, they chose to force their culture onto us, celebrate the death of our soldier and while despising us and everything about the West, took our free housing, education and welfare. The British Army saved their arsses In Bosnia.

The British have as a nation bent over backwards to respect and accommodate the Muslim faith for years. We have allowed Sharia law courts that was recently exposed on national tv as a hotbed for covering up abuse toward Muslim women, we have allowed Halal butchers, we have built Mosques. We have funded Islamic community centres and projects while a decade later, It still is not enough.

The spineless governments so afraid of offending Muslims have created the situation where many will not learn our language nor Integrate and we see sprawling council estates turned Into ethnic ghetto's and no go zones.

Whilst we have as a nation accepted and accomodated Islam, some refuse to recipitate and accept our culture. Ten years after mass Immigration we are still seeing Muslims take to the streets over the slightest nonsence. Tommy Is right. There Is a two tiered policing operation that comes from the top. Bradford suffered millions of £'s to rebuild during the riots and It's that the government and police will try to avoid at all costs. So fearful of raising racial tension, we have seen a country pander to the Muslim faith and to date they are still not happy. We have ridiculous Ideology where Christian schools can not even fly our flag because It may offend.

What we are seeing now, Is a nation fully aware of how as a country we have p.ussyfooted around Islam for fear of offence only for the extremists to get worse.

Anjem Choudrey once said " We may not have to take the UK by force. Our birth rates will conquer the UK from within."

On the 20th April 1968, a politician was sacked by Ted Heath for saying amongst other things " Let It continue until the civil war comes "

The British public have come to realise that nothing any council or government does, will appease Islam In the UK and It will just get worse. In the past ten years alone we have seen crime rates rise for Honour Killings, Female Genital Mutilation, terror plots, acid attacks on Muslim women, Pedophile Muslim rape gangs, and now the government Is having to bring In new laws to cover arranged marraiges because the Incest Is creating dependant babies with gene related disabilities and disorders. Crimes we had never heard of 20 years ago and now Beheadings.

Islamists do not want to Integrate. They seek only to bring their culture to the West and slay the Infidel. But Governments have allowed It to flourish, even protect the likes of Anjem choudrey.

Only when we have a government with the balls to listen to the turn to the right by the public, shut down hate Mosques and Immediately deport anyone preaching hate will It begin to get better. Then at least peace loving Muslims can have a choice as weather they want to stay or not.

If that makes me racist then so be It.

[Oscar Namechange]

The mainstream press will never print the truth such as this. Instead they fob off the public with ' oh It was about 400 protesters'.

Police have admitted the EDL numbers In Newcastle were In excess of 7,000 and It was peaceful with one arrest. That was just one city. Cameron should be worried.

EDL March Sat May 25 2013 police estimated 7000 people | MRCTV

[LarsMac]

oscar;1428303 wrote: The mainstream press will never print the truth such as this. Instead they fob off the public with ' oh It was about 400 protesters'.

Police have admitted the EDL numbers In Newcastle were In excess of 7,000 and It was peaceful with one arrest. That was just one city. Cameron should be worried.

EDL March Sat May 25 2013 police estimated 7000 people | MRCTV


I was in Europe back in the nineties, and remember some of my friends talking about all this, and saying how it was going to get really weird if something wasn't done.

Well, they were right.

Something wasn't done, and it is getting really weird.

[Accountable]

Scrat;1428291 wrote: You're joking right?:-3 Tell Iraqis that. :yh_rotfl

The last part makes some sense other than the fact that spreading conflict for the sake of your own petty interests is not a good idea. "other than the fact"? If you think I was advocating spreading conflict then we don't understand each other at all.

Scrat;1428291 wrote: In the face of history in the region none of what you say makes any sense. The Wests policy has been one of self interest from day one. For hundreds of years.I don't see how what I wrote can be interpreted any other way than that. We agree.



Bruv;1428293 wrote: Not even drones ? :sneaky:

I can relate to that answer......but sometimes you talk tosh.I had to look up 'tosh'. Why would you state that after saying you agree with me? Agreeing with me makes you that uncomfortable? Why not simply accept that we agree on this point? I think that you and I agree about more than we disagree, but you're so emotional about the one thing we've argued about that you have trouble accepting it. For instance, you won't find my advocating the use of drones anywhere, for anything. You simply assume that I have.

[Bruv]

Accountable;1428334 wrote:

I had to look up 'tosh'. Why would you state that after saying you agree with me? Agreeing with me makes you that uncomfortable? Why not simply accept that we agree on this point? I think that you and I agree about more than we disagree, but you're so emotional about the one thing we've argued about that you have trouble accepting it. For instance, you won't find my advocating the use of drones anywhere, for anything. You simply assume that I have.


Loosen up man, stop analysing my every nuance...............I am not that deep.

It was a throw away line.

I forget what we disagreed about now.....I am that shallow.....I do remember your put down...........that hurt.

We both suffer from different cultural outlooks, with different priorities, both probably want the same outcome but our routes are from diametrically oppossed ideologies.................or something.

I should be sleeping...............I may deny this post later.

[Bruv]

I know it's not gospel, but............Tommy Robinson aka Stephen Yaxley Lennon's Wiki entry

Not your average football hooligan, one with delusions of grandeur and paranoia.

[Oscar Namechange]

Bruv;1428342 wrote: I know it's not gospel, but............Tommy Robinson aka Stephen Yaxley Lennon's Wiki entry

Not your average football hooligan, one with delusions of grandeur and paranoia. He's not paranoid or has delusions of grandeur. He has just seen 4 radicals Imprisoned for a plot to kill him along with 3 other assassination attempts. He's perfectly entitled under those circumstances to us alias's. He Is regually beaten up and hospitalised.

EDL attack: the terror plot foiled by luck - Telegraph

If he had delusions of grandeur he would register the EDL as a bono fide political party and stand for election.

Instead of nit picking about Tommy Robinson, why don't you address the real criminality ? That Nationalists warned governments that this would happen for years but they continued to fund the radical Mosques and the likes of Anjem Choudrey's Sharia for London centre?

By the way... my sources tell me that Choudrey will be In police custody by tonight. I don't know If that's true yet but It'll be Interesting to see If they are right.

[Oscar Namechange]

Oh look... It's my old mate Paul Golding.... not not a football hooligan...He was the first elected Councillor for the BNP In the South of England In Sevenoaks, Kent... I had a lovely day out with him last year to Wooton Bassett.... anyway... here Is his ultimatum to police today.



ARREST ANJEM CHOUDARY, OR WE WILL! - YouTube

[Oscar Namechange]

Try passing this one off as a football hooligan.

[Oscar Namechange]

The gutter press tried pinning the defacing of the war memorial on the EDL, BNP, NF, BF, ED etc to stir up more trouble. Disgusting tactics. No Nationalist would ever do such a thing.

WATCH: Vile vandal who daubed Islam on Bomber Command war memorial caught on film | UK | News | Daily Express

[Bruv]

oscar;1428373 wrote:

Try passing this one off as a football hooligan.


Just proves to me that you can be paranoic in a range of accents, even educated ones.

[gmc]

oscar;1428369 wrote: He's not paranoid or has delusions of grandeur. He has just seen 4 radicals Imprisoned for a plot to kill him along with 3 other assassination attempts. He's perfectly entitled under those circumstances to us alias's. He Is regually beaten up and hospitalised.

EDL attack: the terror plot foiled by luck - Telegraph

If he had delusions of grandeur he would register the EDL as a bono fide political party and stand for election.

Instead of nit picking about Tommy Robinson, why don't you address the real criminality ? That Nationalists warned governments that this would happen for years but they continued to fund the radical Mosques and the likes of Anjem Choudrey's Sharia for London centre?

By the way... my sources tell me that Choudrey will be In police custody by tonight. I don't know If that's true yet but It'll be Interesting to see If they are right.


Would you please stop referring to them as nationalists. loony right, fascists, british nazis anything you like but calling them nationalists is an insult to every decent individual in this country all of whom are also nationalist. Actually maybe not fascists they are the ones actually running the country at the moment even if they don't call themselves that. The clowns you seem to admire so much couldn't run a tap.

[Oscar Namechange]

gmc;1428455 wrote: Would you please stop referring to them as nationalists. loony right, fascists, british nazis anything you like but calling them nationalists is an insult to every decent individual in this country all of whom are also nationalist. Actually maybe not fascists they are the ones actually running the country at the moment even if they don't call themselves that. The clowns you seem to admire so much couldn't run a tap. You're a nationalist arn't you ? One of those that threatened Nigel Farage with violence.

[gmc]

oscar;1428459 wrote: You're a nationalist arn't you ? One of those that threatened Nigel Farage with violence.


Everyone in the country is a nationalist in one way or the other, EDL claiming the moral high ground of patriotism and claiming anyone who doesn't agree with them lacks patriotism is pathetic.

I was nowhere near nigel farage nor were any member of the SNP, as you very well know. Bit ironic that he should take offence at Scottish nationalism while pushing his own rather sad little nationalism. He should be grateful to those protesters without them no one would have turned up at his meetings. UKIP members are rarer than tories in Scotland. He should probably stay away from wales and northern Ireland as well.

[Oscar Namechange]

gmc;1428484 wrote: Everyone in the country is a nationalist in one way or the other, EDL claiming the moral high ground of patriotism and claiming anyone who doesn't agree with them lacks patriotism is pathetic.

I was nowhere near nigel farage nor were any member of the SNP, as you very well know. Bit ironic that he should take offence at Scottish nationalism while pushing his own rather sad little nationalism. He should be grateful to those protesters without them no one would have turned up at his meetings. UKIP members are rarer than tories in Scotland. He should probably stay away from wales and northern Ireland as well.


So just to clarify.

Scottish Nationalists want a completely Independent country away from the English and not governed by them In any shape or form or be associated with the English In any way and:

That's not racist how exactly ?

[Accountable]

England and Scotland are races??

[gmc]

oscar;1428486 wrote: So just to clarify.

Scottish Nationalists want a completely Independent country away from the English and not governed by them In any shape or form or be associated with the English In any way and:

That's not racist how exactly ?


No that's nationalism I'm sure you understand the difference, altghouygh the two can be intermingles which is what Hitler and the edl do.Scotland and england are actually different nations with different religions, legal systems and education systems. Calling it north britain was a victorian ploy to curb scottish national identity that never really succeeded. Within scotland there was always a dichotomy between lowlands and highlands, the highlanders lost and were almost destroyed as much by lowland scots as the Hanoverian. The english aren't the original inhabitants of these islands the edl speak to a narrow perverted view of the UK that really doesn't travel very far imo. It might be nice if the english threw off the yoke of norman oppression and got back to their more egalitarian roots but I doubt that will happen.

I have every confidence England will survive as a operate nation it's not the scots that are panicking at the prospect of an independent England.

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gmc;1428502 wrote: No that's nationalism I'm sure you understand the difference, altghouygh the two can be intermingles which is what Hitler and the edl do.Scotland and england are actually different nations with different religions, legal systems and education systems. Calling it north britain was a victorian ploy to curb scottish national identity that never really succeeded. Within scotland there was always a dichotomy between lowlands and highlands, the highlanders lost and were almost destroyed as much by lowland scots as the Hanoverian. The english aren't the original inhabitants of these islands the edl speak to a narrow perverted view of the UK that really doesn't travel very far imo. It might be nice if the english threw off the yoke of norman oppression and got back to their more egalitarian roots but I doubt that will happen.

I have every confidence England will survive as a operate nation it's not the scots that are panicking at the prospect of an independent England.


You are completely contradicting yourself.

What you are saying Is that the SNP seek to preserve the Indiginous Scottish race and preserve Scottish Identity.

The EDL and other Nationalist Orgs seek to ensure the Indiginous British remain the majority of the population.

That's British Indiginous, not English. Unlike the Scottish Nationalists, they Include Ireland, Wales and Scotlands Indiginous while Scotland only wishes to preserve the Scottish race.

And that's not racist how exactly ?

The only difference Is Alex Salmond wears better suits.

[LarsMac]

oscar;1428509 wrote: You are completely contradicting yourself.

What you are saying Is that the SNP seek to preserve the Indiginous Scottish race and preserve Scottish Identity.

The EDL and other Nationalist Orgs seek to ensure the Indiginous British remain the majority of the population.

That's British Indiginous, not English. Unlike the Scottish Nationalists, they Include Ireland, Wales and Scotlands Indiginous while Scotland only wishes to preserve the Scottish race.

And that's not racist how exactly ?

The only difference Is Alex Salmond wears better suits.


Then why the England Flag, instead of the Union Jack, or something of the like?

[Oscar Namechange]

LarsMac;1428544 wrote: Then why the England Flag, instead of the Union Jack, or something of the like? The EDL was formed In London and the flag represents the patron Saint of England. It Is used In the main by England football supporters but I have seen the Union Jack worn by the EDL before..

[gmc]

oscar;1428509 wrote: You are completely contradicting yourself.

What you are saying Is that the SNP seek to preserve the Indiginous Scottish race and preserve Scottish Identity.

The EDL and other Nationalist Orgs seek to ensure the Indiginous British remain the majority of the population.

That's British Indiginous, not English. Unlike the Scottish Nationalists, they Include Ireland, Wales and Scotlands Indiginous while Scotland only wishes to preserve the Scottish race.

And that's not racist how exactly ?

The only difference Is Alex Salmond wears better suits.


What you are saying Is that the SNP seek to preserve the Indiginous Scottish race and preserve Scottish Identity.


No I'm not though you seem to like to think I am. We have kept our national identity as have the welsh and Irish. You seem not to know your own nations history.

The indigenous British ended up in enclaves in cornwall and wales and strathclyde and the lake district. The saxons along with the angles (anglo saxon) that's where the word comes from) invaded later as did the vikings and latterly the normans who ended up in charge of the place. So what exactly is this indigenous people you are talking about. Right bunch of mongrels it seems to me. Welsh is a saxon (or angle I forget which) word meaning foreigner, the irony of which you probably miss.

The EDL are basically representative of a narrow English nationalism and race. that only exists in their tine little minds. Most of the indigenous british fought the english invader as best they could.

The scots invaded and took over from the picts filling the power vacuum resulting from the picts and saxions fighting each other to a standstill. Sassenach is actually the gaelic word for saxon not the english as many think. the vikings also played a big part in scotland as well as in ireland, actually recent DNA studies carried out in orkney and the shetlands suggest that rather than co existing peacefully they basically just wiped everybody out. the more virulently anti-english sots tend to fall foul of the vast majority who know a hit more about their history and have little tolerance for it. Th3 battle of culloden is often presented as a simple english against the scots, it wasn't it was actually a civil war with scots on both sides, lowlabd scots hated the highlander, the clearances were not carried out by the english but by their fellow lowland scots.

posted by larsmac

Then why the England Flag, instead of the Union Jack, or something of the like?


Because in their simple ignorant minds the think the english flag and the union are just the same thing with different colour schemes. They can't actually construct a reasonable argument all they do is quote bits of the last brochure they read

[Oscar Namechange]

From what I have read, It's disputed weather England Is a mongrel race. In fact, historians argue on the definition of the titles of Celtic and Anglo Saxon now because of new genetic research and findings. New genetic anylisis research suggests now that Anglo Saxons and Celts were both very small Immigrant minorities and neither had much effect on the gene pool of the English.

So ner

[Bruv]

So ......forgetting all about our disputed past.

Best we all start from the here and now.............going forward..................looking backward might cause problems ?

[Oscar Namechange]

Bruv;1428565 wrote: So ......forgetting all about our disputed past.

Best we all start from the here and now.............going forward..................looking backward might cause problems ?


Meanwhile, here's what a rational American thinks of the EDL :yh_rotfl



London Braces for Violence as Political and Racial Tensions Heat Up after Woolwich Terror Attack - YouTube!

[Bruv]

I got less than 2 minutes in and can tell you catagorically that that American is no rational American.

Sorry Oscar your judgement is in question if you think that sort of language is 'rational' .............."the public should have Drained this Islamotard" wtf?

Meanwhile mainland USA .........more men killed by gunfire in the last 20 years than died in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan combined..........sort yourself out rational American. Take the log from your eye before taking the twig from your brothers.

[Oscar Namechange]

Bruv;1428576 wrote: I got less than 2 minutes in and can tell you catagorically that that American is no rational American.

Sorry Oscar your judgement is in question if you think that sort of language is 'rational' .............."the public should have Drained this Islamotard" wtf?

Meanwhile mainland USA .........more men killed by gunfire in the last 20 years than died in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan combined..........sort yourself out rational American. Take the log from your eye before taking the twig from your brothers.


Dear God, Its like nailing milk to the wall.

The reason I added one of these ' :yh_rotfl ' when I said rational American, was because I was taking the p.iss you donut.

Meanwhile, here's what a rational English man thinks of the EDL :p

What do we think of the EDL? | National News | British National Party

[Bruv]

The rank-and-file are great; the leadership are Zionist puppets, explains Nick Griffin MEP.
One never knows with you does one ?

Is the presence of smilies to give the same message about Nick ?..................remembering Tommy whatsiname reckons he is skint and the leader and a gentile Christian that beats his wife sometimes.............Help for Heroes declines EDL money too

[Oscar Namechange]

Bruv;1428595 wrote: One never knows with you does one ?

Is the presence of smilies to give the same message about Nick ?..................remembering Tommy whatsiname reckons he is skint and the leader and a gentile Christian that beats his wife sometimes.............Help for Heroes declines EDL money too


It's part of my Mystique.

Help for hero's refused any proceeds from Tommy Robinson's sponsered walk. Slight hypocrisy there. The EDL was originally formed as a group to support our troops. Over the past four years, I would bet every EDL member has donated to HFH's.... didn't refuse their money did they?

[Bruv]

oscar;1428606 wrote:

I would bet every EDL member has donated to HFH's....


Part of your mystique ?

(Are you captalising M's now ?)

[Oscar Namechange]

Bruv;1428614 wrote: Part of your mystique ?

(Are you captalising M's now ?)


I'll cCaPitalisE whaT I LIKe...... AS Is my right as a British Citizen and Loyal Subject of Her Majesty.

So ner

[Scrat]

I don't see how what I wrote can be interpreted any other way than that. We agree


No AC, we do not agree. Invading them and destroying their cities is not helping them, supporting governments like Saudi Arabia and rebels like Al-Nusra and the FSA is not helping them, tossing out functioning governments (even dictatorial ones) is not helping them. It's enforcing the very standards which keep them in the state they are in.

[Accountable]

Scrat;1428623 wrote: No AC, we do not agree. Invading them and destroying their cities is not helping them, supporting governments like Saudi Arabia and rebels like Al-Nusra and the FSA is not helping them, tossing out functioning governments (even dictatorial ones) is not helping them. It's enforcing the very standards which keep them in the state they are in.
I think you've lost track of your pronouns. Either that, or you've changed your mind.

[Oscar Namechange]

Oh It just gets better and better every day.

Now we know our soldiers murderer gave a speech at a UAF demo, that's the UAF org funded and supported by David Cameron Prime Minister.

Now Tony Blair has crawled out and said:

Tony Blair today makes his most powerful political intervention since leaving Downing Street by launching an outspoken attack on ‘the problem within Islam’.

The former Prime Minister addresses the shocking killing of Drummer Lee Rigby in Woolwich by going further than he – or any front-rank British politician – has gone before over the issue of Muslim radicalism.

Writing in today’s Mail on Sunday, he departs from the usual argument that Islam is a peaceful religion that should not be tainted by the actions of a few extremists.

Stark view: Tony Blair says that Islamic extremism is more widespread than most politicians admit

Instead, Mr Blair urges governments to ‘be honest’ and admit that the problem is more widespread.

‘There is a problem within Islam – from the adherents of an ideology which is a strain within Islam,’ he writes.



Read more: Tony Blair says murder of Lee Rigby PROVES 'there is a problem within Islam' | Mail Online

Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

The very man who started and encouraged mass Immigration unchecked to secure Labout Votes.

[LarsMac]

oscar;1428642 wrote: Oh It just gets better and better every day.

Now we know our soldiers murderer gave a speech at a UAF demo, that's the UAF org funded and supported by David Cameron Prime Minister.

Now Tony Blair has crawled out and said:

Tony Blair today makes his most powerful political intervention since leaving Downing Street by launching an outspoken attack on ‘the problem within Islam’.

The former Prime Minister addresses the shocking killing of Drummer Lee Rigby in Woolwich by going further than he – or any front-rank British politician – has gone before over the issue of Muslim radicalism.

Writing in today’s Mail on Sunday, he departs from the usual argument that Islam is a peaceful religion that should not be tainted by the actions of a few extremists.

Stark view: Tony Blair says that Islamic extremism is more widespread than most politicians admit

Instead, Mr Blair urges governments to ‘be honest’ and admit that the problem is more widespread.

‘There is a problem within Islam – from the adherents of an ideology which is a strain within Islam,’ he writes.



Read more: Tony Blair says murder of Lee Rigby PROVES 'there is a problem within Islam' | Mail Online

Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

The very man who started and encouraged mass Immigration unchecked to secure Labout Votes.


Oh, come on. You guys were getting immigrated back when Tony was still wearing short pants

[Oscar Namechange]

LarsMac;1428643 wrote: Oh, come on. You guys were getting immigrated back when Tony was still wearing short pants We are talking about mass Immigration not Immigration.

When Sir Enoch Powell gave his famous ' Rivers of Blood' speech In 1968, he spoke of the 50,000 Immigrants.

During Blair's terms 1997 to 2007, over a third of the total Immigrant population currently living In the UK, arrived.

http://pages.wustl.edu/wuir/changing-im ... rdon-brown

[Oscar Namechange]

This article Is a must read. It's the truth.

The truth about the 'wave of attacks on Muslims’ after Woolwich murder - Telegraph

[Bryn Mawr]

oscar;1428561 wrote: From what I have read, It's disputed weather England Is a mongrel race. In fact, historians argue on the definition of the titles of Celtic and Anglo Saxon now because of new genetic research and findings. New genetic anylisis research suggests now that Anglo Saxons and Celts were both very small Immigrant minorities and neither had much effect on the gene pool of the English.

So ner


Who are you suggesting as the pre-Celts who would then form the English base stock?

What of the Normans and Vikings, both of which show clearly in the DNA evidence.

Where does this new research of which you speak come from? It's a subject I follow and I'd be very interested to see it.

[Oscar Namechange]

Bryn Mawr;1428666 wrote: Who are you suggesting as the pre-Celts who would then form the English base stock?

What of the Normans and Vikings, both of which show clearly in the DNA evidence.

Where does this new research of which you speak come from? It's a subject I follow and I'd be very interested to see it. I've read several sources, but can I offer this one for now? See what you think and I will try to source where I read the rest If It's not what you're looking for.



Racial history of British Isles thrown into total confusion

[Saint_]

Bryn Mawr;1428666 wrote: Who are you suggesting as the pre-Celts who would then form the English base stock?

What of the Normans and Vikings, both of which show clearly in the DNA evidence.

Where does this new research of which you speak come from? It's a subject I follow and I'd be very interested to see it.


I laugh when I hear my friends talk about immigration and fail to realized that every one of them who is not Native American is immigrant related.

[Snooz]

You know those signs in elevators that say what the maximum weight is? The UK should figure that out soon so the island doesn't sink.

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You can't fit an idea with firepower. That's been shown time and again. It's like fighting fire with gasoline. So long as they can claim martyr status, they win. We help them by occupying their land and overthrowing their governments. You fight ideas with better ideas.


It seems you are contradicting yourself. You can't fit an idea with firepower yet how do you occupy their lands and over throw their governments? It makes no sense.

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Scrat;1428684 wrote: It seems you are contradicting yourself. You can't fit an idea with firepower yet how do you occupy their lands and over throw their governments? It makes no sense.The "they" is the Muslim extremists. They're the ones with the idea that we're ostensibly fighting. When we occupy their lands and overthrow their governments we help them sell the idea that we are imperialists, devils, yada yada yada. In other words, we help our enemies.

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SnoozeAgain;1428681 wrote: You know those signs in elevators that say what the maximum weight is? The UK should figure that out soon so the island doesn't sink.


Once we've sawed that knobbly bit off the top of the country and let them sail off Into the Atlantic we'll be oK.

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Evidence our British Born Muslims are targeted In Universities,

A major London university’s Islamic society promoted a video that claimed the Woolwich killing was a Government hoax, the Evening Standard can reveal.

Hours after Lee Rigby, 25, was stabbed to death, a Muslim student group at London Metropolitan University circulated a six-minute clip casting doubt on whether the soldier had even died.

The video — “Woolwich false flag bullshit. Masses are in a state-sponsored trance — claimed the crime scene was covered in “fake blood and accused the investigating officers of being freemasons. The day after Drummer Rigby’s death, members of the LMU Islamic Society also posted another video on its Facebook page that promoted a speech by an extremist preacher who has reportedly praised the Taliban and labelled non-Muslims as “evil.

The disclosures have raised new fears that London’s universities are being targeted by extremists.



EXCLUSIVE: Woolwich atrocity was a state hoax, say university extremists in video - London - News - London Evening Standard