Beginning November 1st, our local mental hospital will be a smoke free facility. That means no more smoking for inmates, as well as employees.
This is really mean. I cant believe that a person who is dealing with all kinds of issues is going to be forced to go cold turkey. No cigs for detox patients eithet. the situation is going to be mahem, Maybe when they tell us we arent allowed to smoke in our homes, we will all realize that we are living in a police state. But then, it will be too late.
No more smoking in mental hospitals.
No more smoking in mental hospitals.
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No more smoking in mental hospitals.
That is terrible.A lot of these people will have their stress levels added to,and will probably discharge themselves.I sometimes wonder what planet the powers that be are on.
No more smoking in mental hospitals.
I spoke to 2 administrators from the hospital last night. They are anticipating an increase in sedation medications, and also for patients in the detox program to just leave. They cannott handle getting off drugs and or alcohol, and cigarettes at the same time. The government is taking away our right to choose and forcing their will upon us. Next will be.... getting arrested if you smoke inyour own home. They do not the army of clones they are turning us into to be defective in any way. Since our country cant seem to provide avenues of medical coverage to our citizens... they are eliminating one practice that affects health. But its kind of like throwing the baby out with the bath water/
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No more smoking in mental hospitals.
I am totally in favour of the smoking bans. As someone who suffered from chronic asthma (under control now) I was very limited to the places I could go without having to carry my nebuliser with me. If I was forced to share a space with someone who was smoking, then it would result in a severe attack and a course of predniselone (steroids)
Mental patients are given counselling as practice, so whilst they may find it stressful they are in the ideal situation to have this managed with counselling and medication, rather than just going cold turkey. They will no doubt have all kinds of nicotine replacement therapy available to them.
In addition, surely the reduction in smokers will lead to a reduction in smoking related illnesses, and a reduction in the strain on the NHS!!!!!
Of course this is only mon avis.
Mental patients are given counselling as practice, so whilst they may find it stressful they are in the ideal situation to have this managed with counselling and medication, rather than just going cold turkey. They will no doubt have all kinds of nicotine replacement therapy available to them.
In addition, surely the reduction in smokers will lead to a reduction in smoking related illnesses, and a reduction in the strain on the NHS!!!!!
Of course this is only mon avis.
No more smoking in mental hospitals.
weeder;691245 wrote: Beginning November 1st, our local mental hospital will be a smoke free facility. That means no more smoking for inmates, as well as employees.
This is really mean. I cant believe that a person who is dealing with all kinds of issues is going to be forced to go cold turkey. No cigs for detox patients eithet. the situation is going to be mahem, Maybe when they tell us we arent allowed to smoke in our homes, we will all realize that we are living in a police state. But then, it will be too late.
Apparently, that time has already cometh....:rolleyes:
I posted an article a few months ago about a couple of states (California and Michigan I think...) trying out having smoke free apartments/condos.
This is really mean. I cant believe that a person who is dealing with all kinds of issues is going to be forced to go cold turkey. No cigs for detox patients eithet. the situation is going to be mahem, Maybe when they tell us we arent allowed to smoke in our homes, we will all realize that we are living in a police state. But then, it will be too late.
Apparently, that time has already cometh....:rolleyes:
I posted an article a few months ago about a couple of states (California and Michigan I think...) trying out having smoke free apartments/condos.
No more smoking in mental hospitals.
Just wait until our goverment starts to place restrictions on FORNICATION.
Where you can fornicate and when... With whom, and on what days..... Then all of the people who were so unfeeling regarding the rights of smokers will sing a different tune. Heres a good one.. How about forced sterilization for undesireables??? Undesireable being catogorized by income.. education..
maybe even color. The drop in pregnancys among teenagers would certainly result in less expenditure of our social services departments.
Where you can fornicate and when... With whom, and on what days..... Then all of the people who were so unfeeling regarding the rights of smokers will sing a different tune. Heres a good one.. How about forced sterilization for undesireables??? Undesireable being catogorized by income.. education..
maybe even color. The drop in pregnancys among teenagers would certainly result in less expenditure of our social services departments.
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No more smoking in mental hospitals.
I really don't think it will be going that far. 
No more smoking in mental hospitals.
Elvira;691284 wrote: I am totally in favour of the smoking bans. As someone who suffered from chronic asthma (under control now) I was very limited to the places I could go without having to carry my nebuliser with me. If I was forced to share a space with someone who was smoking, then it would result in a severe attack and a course of predniselone (steroids)
Mental patients are given counselling as practice, so whilst they may find it stressful they are in the ideal situation to have this managed with counselling and medication, rather than just going cold turkey. They will no doubt have all kinds of nicotine replacement therapy available to them.
In addition, surely the reduction in smokers will lead to a reduction in smoking related illnesses, and a reduction in the strain on the NHS!!!!!
Of course this is only mon avis.
When I was working in mental health, there was a separate smoking room in the psychiatric ward to ensure that smokers didn't affect the health of others. Now that the health trusts have implemented the no smoking policy on hospital grounds, I don't know if this room will have disappeared.
I do know that one of the general hospitals in the next county have recently reinstated a smoking "shed" and that patients at the hospital where I'm working temporarily can smoke outside the building at the discretion of the ward managers, if they are terminally ill or have received distressing news. However, they must also receive information on how to give up smoking.
We had a discussion recently on here about the costs to the NHS of smoking- related illnesses. I can't remember the figures but the revenue raised in tax on tobacco is several billions more than the costs in treating smoking-related illnesses. I think it was Bill Sykes who commented that everyone's taxes would have to be raised considerably to counteract the deficit.
Mental patients are given counselling as practice, so whilst they may find it stressful they are in the ideal situation to have this managed with counselling and medication, rather than just going cold turkey. They will no doubt have all kinds of nicotine replacement therapy available to them.
In addition, surely the reduction in smokers will lead to a reduction in smoking related illnesses, and a reduction in the strain on the NHS!!!!!
Of course this is only mon avis.
When I was working in mental health, there was a separate smoking room in the psychiatric ward to ensure that smokers didn't affect the health of others. Now that the health trusts have implemented the no smoking policy on hospital grounds, I don't know if this room will have disappeared.
I do know that one of the general hospitals in the next county have recently reinstated a smoking "shed" and that patients at the hospital where I'm working temporarily can smoke outside the building at the discretion of the ward managers, if they are terminally ill or have received distressing news. However, they must also receive information on how to give up smoking.
We had a discussion recently on here about the costs to the NHS of smoking- related illnesses. I can't remember the figures but the revenue raised in tax on tobacco is several billions more than the costs in treating smoking-related illnesses. I think it was Bill Sykes who commented that everyone's taxes would have to be raised considerably to counteract the deficit.
Live the questions now. Perhaps you will then gradually, without noticing it, live along some distant day into the answers...Rainer Maria Rilke
No more smoking in mental hospitals.
weeder;691354 wrote: Just wait until our goverment starts to place restrictions on FORNICATION.
Where you can fornicate and when... With whom, and on what days..... Then all of the people who were so unfeeling regarding the rights of smokers will sing a different tune. Heres a good one.. How about forced sterilization for undesireables??? Undesireable being catogorized by income.. education..
maybe even color. The drop in pregnancys among teenagers would certainly result in less expenditure of our social services departments.
There are already restrictions on fornication... or did you not know that you're not allowed to have sex in mental institutions, the work place...er... libraries...... whilst driving a car.........
Instead of forced sterilisation for 'undesirables' (your term, not mine) I would suggest spending more at the education end, would result in less spend by social services.
Where you can fornicate and when... With whom, and on what days..... Then all of the people who were so unfeeling regarding the rights of smokers will sing a different tune. Heres a good one.. How about forced sterilization for undesireables??? Undesireable being catogorized by income.. education..
maybe even color. The drop in pregnancys among teenagers would certainly result in less expenditure of our social services departments.
There are already restrictions on fornication... or did you not know that you're not allowed to have sex in mental institutions, the work place...er... libraries...... whilst driving a car.........
Instead of forced sterilisation for 'undesirables' (your term, not mine) I would suggest spending more at the education end, would result in less spend by social services.
No more smoking in mental hospitals.
theia;691396 wrote: When I was working in mental health, there was a separate smoking room in the psychiatric ward to ensure that smokers didn't affect the health of others. Now that the health trusts have implemented the no smoking policy on hospital grounds, I don't know if this room will have disappeared.
I do know that one of the general hospitals in the next county have recently reinstated a smoking "shed" and that patients at the hospital where I'm working temporarily can smoke outside the building at the discretion of the ward managers, if they are terminally ill or have received distressing news. However, they must also receive information on how to give up smoking.
We had a discussion recently on here about the costs to the NHS of smoking- related illnesses. I can't remember the figures but the revenue raised in tax on tobacco is several billions more than the costs in treating smoking-related illnesses. I think it was Bill Sykes who commented that everyone's taxes would have to be raised considerably to counteract the deficit.
Most businesses and some hospitals have provided smoking units off the main premises, but they must not be in the path of any person who does not purposefully mean to go there.
I work for a Clinical Research Organisation, and we have NOT provided a smoking area for employees, but we are working with the NHS and a pharmaceutical company to provide nicotine replacement therapy and counselling to those who need it. This is at great cost to the company, but we could not justifiably support smokers when so much of our research is in respiratory ilnesses.
I do know that one of the general hospitals in the next county have recently reinstated a smoking "shed" and that patients at the hospital where I'm working temporarily can smoke outside the building at the discretion of the ward managers, if they are terminally ill or have received distressing news. However, they must also receive information on how to give up smoking.
We had a discussion recently on here about the costs to the NHS of smoking- related illnesses. I can't remember the figures but the revenue raised in tax on tobacco is several billions more than the costs in treating smoking-related illnesses. I think it was Bill Sykes who commented that everyone's taxes would have to be raised considerably to counteract the deficit.
Most businesses and some hospitals have provided smoking units off the main premises, but they must not be in the path of any person who does not purposefully mean to go there.
I work for a Clinical Research Organisation, and we have NOT provided a smoking area for employees, but we are working with the NHS and a pharmaceutical company to provide nicotine replacement therapy and counselling to those who need it. This is at great cost to the company, but we could not justifiably support smokers when so much of our research is in respiratory ilnesses.
No more smoking in mental hospitals.
Undesireables was me being a smart ass. I dont consider anyone to be undesireable .... not even smokers.
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I don't see why areas can't be created for them to use. There are a lot of jobs that come with health risks and many that are way more risky than having to walk into a smoky room to empty garbage cans and clean it. They are in more danger of having a severe back injury from an irate patient throwing his/her body around in a fit. :rolleyes:
Having quit for almost 3 months... I can say that smoking is brutally disgusting and people have little idea how much it infiltrates their body when they smoke. I tried a cigarette yesterday and was violently ill for about 3 hours.
I had no idea how sick it was making me.
Having quit for almost 3 months... I can say that smoking is brutally disgusting and people have little idea how much it infiltrates their body when they smoke. I tried a cigarette yesterday and was violently ill for about 3 hours.
I had no idea how sick it was making me.
No more smoking in mental hospitals.
not fair what about pyromainiac
"To be foolish and to recognize that one is foolish, is better than to be foolish and imagine that one is wise."
No more smoking in mental hospitals.
I am actually going on the Chantix pill this weekend. I didnt realize how I really was an addict, until the past couple of years. This makes me feel even more compassion for the mental patients who are being forced to quit. I have to say that in all of the years that I have smoked... I pretty much have never found my self in a situation where I was choked with smoke. Even as a smoker those enviorments just didnt appeal to me. I continue to be apalled at the carryings on of non smokers who feel so threatened by a little wafting of cigarette smoke. They are breathing in toxic fumes and chemicalsevery day of their lives. The more I read about pesticides on vegetables, arsenic residue in artificial sweeteners, and traces of arsenic in milk, it seems like we are all pretty much doomed. For me the restrictions on smoking are a controll issue. Whether or not I continue to smoke, I will always feel this way. I would much rather have a manic depressive continue to light up all of the cigarettes they want in a designated area, than to have them committ suicide. The ruling is heartless, and wrong. Put me in a room with a group of people who do not smoke battling obesity. I will supply them with all the information they need to make healthy food choices. Take everything away from them except carrotts, apples and water. Lets see how well they make out, and lets see how fair they think it is for me to make those choices for them.
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No more smoking in mental hospitals.
I think a designated area would be all right but I don't think it's at all fair for nonsmoking patients to have to be subjected to random smoke. I've never bought into that bit about pollution and chemicals, that's just a cop out and I've always seen it that way. Just something smokers say when they feel stepped upon. I see no reason why they can't install a patio or something so smokers can do their thing and breathers don't have to suffer.
No more smoking in mental hospitals.
I am all for smoking bans. I can remember when I was smoking my heart rate was up so high. It was the last thing I shoulda been doing considering how stressed out I already was. When I quit I felt so much better and more calm.
No more smoking in mental hospitals.
koan;691483 wrote: I don't see why areas can't be created for them to use. There are a lot of jobs that come with health risks and many that are way more risky than having to walk into a smoky room to empty garbage cans and clean it. They are in more danger of having a severe back injury from an irate patient throwing his/her body around in a fit. :rolleyes:
Having quit for almost 3 months... I can say that smoking is brutally disgusting and people have little idea how much it infiltrates their body when they smoke. I tried a cigarette yesterday and was violently ill for about 3 hours. I had no idea how sick it was making me.
Yeah that kinda happened to me too. But not the violently part. I was just coughing and felt gross and smelly.
Having quit for almost 3 months... I can say that smoking is brutally disgusting and people have little idea how much it infiltrates their body when they smoke. I tried a cigarette yesterday and was violently ill for about 3 hours.
I had no idea how sick it was making me.Yeah that kinda happened to me too. But not the violently part. I was just coughing and felt gross and smelly.