Abusive video

Rain · Post by **Rain** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 11:55 am

I'm not putting this up here for you all to get your kicks from. I'm doing it because this is abuse and I don't know how to report it to the myspace authorities to get it off the site. I've emailed it to CNN and MSNBC and Fox. Other's who have commented on this video are also pissed off at the idiocy of the "parents". This poor little kid! My heart just goes out to him. Where the heck is Social Services?? Somebody give these animals a Boot to the Head!

http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseacti ... id=3523190

WonderWendy3 · Post by **WonderWendy3** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:01 pm

Oh that was terrible...and that people that were commenting that it was funny and they could see themselves doing that to their OWN children, and we wonder why we have troubled kids...I know its not beating them, but that is just plain mean!:mad:

Imladris · Post by **Imladris** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:19 pm

I don't think the content of the video is funny but I also don't find it offensive as such - what does offend me is that no-one helped the little boy and worse than that they then put his discomfort and humiliation on the net for anyone to watch. In a public forum you never know who is watching.

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 1:34 pm

Sorry I don't find it offensive. Kids are curious. And I don't think it's humiliating either. Not when we've had those funny video shows on TV showing kids and adults in their most embarrassing moments.

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 1:49 pm

Rain;681171 wrote: I'm not putting this up here for you all to get your kicks from. I'm doing it because this is abuse and I don't know how to report it to the myspace authorities to get it off the site. I've emailed it to CNN and MSNBC and Fox. Other's who have commented on this video are also pissed off at the idiocy of the "parents". This poor little kid! My heart just goes out to him. Where the heck is Social Services?? Somebody give these animals a Boot to the Head!

http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseacti ... id=3523190

Do you have kids? I cannot believe you reported this video to news corporations. Seriously you have nothing better to do? I guess you'll report me to CPS to since I gave my son a slice of lemon when he was a toddler? Or maybe when I hid under the table and jumped out and scared him when we were playing hide and seek. Unless there's beating and neglect, you should mind your own business!

Carl44 · Post by **Carl44** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 1:55 pm

to be honest as a guy who gave his horrid little brother a spoonfull of tabasco sauce and told him it was medicine that would make him taller , its at worst not that funny i really cant see it as abuse

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 2:29 pm

Sorry---------I don't see abuse either. There's more to the story than what we are viewing.

Mia · Post by **Mia** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 2:35 pm

I do not knowwhat Jalepenoes are so cannot comment

Rain · Post by **Rain** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 2:37 pm

Abuse is anything that harms a child. I guess the boy wasn't harmed huh? Right. :rolleyes: It is abuse imo, because as Adults/Parents, it's our job to PREVENT our children from getting hurt! Am I suppose to let my grandchild run out into the street because he wanted to or was curious? And I guess I should allow them to eat whatever they want at a very young age because they want to. Where does my parenting come in to play then? This little boy isn't old enough to make good decisions. Isn't that his parents' job??

And btw, it takes a village to raise children and ANYthing on the net is open to scrutiny. Minding my own business isn't helping a defensless child. It's for the very reason of your (Sheryl) snide comment that I left this board months ago. You know, there's ways to have a decent conversation rather than to allude that the person your not agreeing with is stupid. Other's said they didn't agree with me. That's fine. But to give a snide remark like yours isn't appreciated.

A jalapeno is a very hot pepper. It burns! Imagine if that little boy had rubbed his eyes!

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 2:45 pm

Rain;681255 wrote: Abuse is anything that harms a child. I guess the boy wasn't harmed huh? Right. :rolleyes: It is abuse imo, because as Adults/Parents, it's our job to PREVENT our children from getting hurt! Am I suppose to let my grandchild run out into the street because he wanted to or was curious? And I guess I should allow them to eat whatever they want at a very young age because they want to. Where does my parenting come in to play then? This little boy isn't old enough to make good decisions. Isn't that his parents' job??

And btw, it takes a village to raise children and ANYthing on the net is open to scrutiny. Minding my own business isn't helping a defensless child. It's for the very reason of your (Sheryl) snide comment that I left this board months ago. You know, there's ways to have a decent conversation rather than to allude that the person your not agreeing with is stupid. Other's said they didn't agree with me. That's fine. But to give a snide remark like yours isn't appreciated.

There's a big difference in kids playing in the street, and a small kid eating a jalepeno.

Rain · Post by **Rain** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 2:49 pm

Sorry Angeleyes, I just don't see the bold line. A child that young (what was he, about 3 or 4?) should have been stopped from eating that pepper. Make it 5 or 6, and I can see allowing him to lick it, and see where it goes from there. Like I said above, a parents job is to protect. Not roll the camera and allow your child to burn himself and laugh about it. Prevention is key imo. Again, what if (which we can do forever) he'd rubbed his eyes?

neffy · Post by **neffy** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:13 pm

i did not find this at offensive i cant see a problem,

curlyjoe · Post by **curlyjoe** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:27 pm

I can't believe people have actually writted responses to that video saying it was funny. I'm appauled.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:44 pm

Abuse is hitting your kid when you're pissed off. People ignore that all the time because it's "not their business" or they think it's okay to do. I'd have a prob with that.

This was a 4 year old eating a hot pepper. Bet he'll know not to do that again.

I see nothing bad about the pepper but the parent could have gotten him some milk to kill the burn. That would have been nice.

Why is there so much attitude in this thread? Judas Priest, it was only a video a member found upsetting and had a right to post about it.

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:57 pm

[quote=RedGlitter;.

Why is there so much attitude in this thread? Judas Priest, it was only a video a member found upsetting and had a right to post about it.

Attitude happens---------remember the veggies?

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:01 pm

Lon;681351 wrote: Attitude happens---------remember the veggies?

Don't start again Lon.

We can coexist peacefully here if we try.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:11 pm

I didn't mean you Susie.

Rain · Post by **Rain** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:19 pm

Neither did I. I named the one who gave a snotty remark. To you Angeleyes I was simply commenting back

Patrick · Post by **Patrick** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:36 pm

Sorry I don't see abuse there. I ate all sorts of weird stuff when I was a kid. Jalapenos, sardines, pickled pig’s feet, buttermilk, anything my Dad was eating I asked for and usually got.

Also I think the kid was hamming it up a bit too. Meh¦ worst was if he was really in distress it would have been nice to see somebody help him get over the pepper.

AussiePam · Post by **AussiePam** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:07 pm

I don't know. How much of one's private family moments should go on the web? Has Dad, or Mum just got their first videocamera. It looks like a set-up. The kid's hamming, but the parents are stagemanaging and it's not really very funny. To us. Obviously to them it was hilariously riveting. Kids in some parts of Asia start eating hot and spicy food from a very early age. Kids in Europe are given watered down wine early on. New experiences!! My littlie throws a complete wobbly if I give him cheese. Matter of taste....

littlemissgiggle · Post by **littlemissgiggle** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 12:55 am

i don't see the video as abusive he was just trying what a lot of kids do and being curious.

you can't smother kids in cotton wool all the time.

Post by **spot** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 1:28 am

Rain;681255 wrote: It is abuse imo, because as Adults/Parents, it's our job to PREVENT our children from getting hurt!It most certainly isn't. It's to allow our children to get hurt safely. I'd not have dreamed of keeping my children from being hurt, that's not going to help them at all. So long as they stay safe then the more they experience the better. Safety is what counts.

I didn't watch the clip, it sounds intrusive. As for eating hot things though, my eldest was chewing her way through quartered lemons at six months old and I remember her, around four, sat with a spoonful of english mustard in her mouth in a seaside cafe in Walton on the Naze. She was quick, she got it there before anyone noticed what she was planning. That was the same year she had the kitchen staff applaud in an Indian restaurant when she spent two hours with me exploring curries one quiet Sunday lunchtime. How any of this relates to abuse leaves me baffled.

Carl44 · Post by **Carl44** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 2:11 am

spot;681456 wrote: It most certainly isn't. It's to allow our children to get hurt safely. I'd not have dreamed of keeping my children from being hurt, that's not going to help them at all. So long as they stay safe then the more they experience the better. Safety is what counts.

I didn't watch the clip, it sounds intrusive. As for eating hot things though, my eldest was chewing her way through quartered lemons at six months old and I remember her, around four, sat with a spoonful of english mustard in her mouth in a seaside cafe in Walton on the Naze. She was quick, she got it there before anyone noticed what she was planning. That was the same year she had the kitchen staff applaud in an Indian restaurant when she spent two hours with me exploring curries one quiet Sunday lunchtime. How any of this relates to abuse leaves me baffled.

spot have you been drinking ,i totally understood every word and agreed with everything you said

:D

wow you will be telling jokes next buddy :-6

take care good to see you :-6

Tater Tazz · Post by **Tater Tazz** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:13 am

I really do not see abuse there. I personnally like jalapeno peppers.

weeder · Post by **weeder** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:28 am

For all we know, the parents are two ridiculous 18 year olds with childish senses of humor. The kid is probably the kind of kid who likes that kind of drama. The video was just stupidity to me, not abuse.

Carl44 · Post by **Carl44** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:33 am

just wondering how any one knows they were hot peppers ,some of those things are so mild suzy could eat them

Carl44 · Post by **Carl44** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:42 am

magenta flame;681499 wrote: What if the dad yelled at the child to eat the pepper? is it abuse then?

I think most would be put off by that ............but the the parents including the father who tells the child to finish the sauce (i'm assuming ) is the trusted authoritive figure to the child so it's the same as if the father forced him by yelling at him. Just the psychological aspect I guess

spot is that you buddy

your posts have been well .. unspotlike now this

have you and MF swapped log in details just to confuse us :wah:

Patrick · Post by **Patrick** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 6:01 am

magenta flame;681485 wrote: Having a child eat hot sauces or peppers or ground pepper is considered in most western countries a form of child abuse and is considered and is usually found under 'poisoning' and 'burning'. It's also been found as a means of corporal punishment in some instances and also used in "exorcism" of children in certain Christian and Muslim religious sects in and around London and is predominantly used by the Congenese and Algerians

Hot peppers: Cause injuries to the mucous membranes of the mouth and stomach and injure the nervous system of children and infants. Can also become clogged in the childs throat leading to breathing difficulties.

Gound Pepper: causes clogging in the throat and lungs and leads to breathing difficulties.

Because of the dangers OC spray has on minors no OC spray is to be used in Child detention centres.

Yes what this couple has done (in the video) is considered a form of abuse and it is reportable. The documentation of the act is there. It would probably come under neglecting to render assistance to the child.

I have a case study here but I'm not allowed to publish it.

Now my family, being my parents, is from Texas (please don't hold that against me), and even though I grew up around the world we managed to take Texas with us where ever we went (damn it was heavy too) and that included the food too. I've eaten sauces and chili that would burn through a two-by-four (hyperbole).

So where do I fit in your study? My family is so western civilization that we’re centuries ahead of the rest of it and we've already seen the fall of it in a fashion akin to Rome (Trust me the end is not pretty.

It's all trailer parks and white trash.)

Where does this kid's family fit in your study? Because he's white some have assumed he's some Yankee from a place we're tomatos are used as a powerful spice. That's the problem with "It takes a village" and "big smart studies". They like to pigeon hole everyone into their happy little groups.

I like to think of myself politically and socially as a little left of center. Somewhere between Gandhi and Castro, but with leftism (as with anything) one has to use a little common sense.

Sure go ahead and use your perceived values to call this child abuse. Call CNN, FOX News, the cops, the boy scouts, Santa Claus, and anyone else you can think of. Then child protective services (with their big smart studies) comes in and rips the kid away from his family and places him in the system and possibly with a really abusive foster family that's only in the game for the government check (mind you I said possibly. There are a lot of true blue foster parents out there too). Nah… that won't traumatize the kid one bit. A pepper is way worse than that...

While we're at it lets go pick up some Native American children from the local reservation, cut their hair, put them in orphanages, and force them to be little Christian English speakers...

It may take a village, but it also takes some common sense.

Let's save the call to the cops for when somebody does something like hits, sexually touches, or gets their 4 to 6 year old high/drunk.

EDIT: I removed a personal attack that was unwarranted. If the target of that attack saw it I am truly sorry. Though not excusable the reason behind it was the fear of a system without check or balances that has the ability to take away a parents child.

Post by **spot** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 7:11 am

magenta flame;681595 wrote: Listen to what the father is saying in the video he doesn't want the boy to have a taste he is encouraging the full effect of the substance he is giving the young child. Would you do that?I'll answer that one. None of my children ever just swallowed a tylenol if they had a headache or muscle pain. These are normal tablets I'm talking about, not time-release or capsules or anything. Every time they had one they chewed it for a minute first and then swallowed, simply because the tablet was the worst tasting thing I knew of. They're called paracetamol over here and they're so astringent and bitter that a glass of plain water afterwards tastes as though it has a spoon of sugar stirred in, it's such a contrast. I did it myself too whenever I took one, just to play fair.

Now, I think I had a good reason for doing that. It sounds like exactly what you're criticizing though, and so does comparing it to my earlier post. I think I was acting in the child's best interest. So yes, I'd not only do that, I did do that.

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 7:11 am

The kid ate the pepper of his on free will, and was not prevented from getting something to drink. The kid wasn't even crying. I'm sorry I fail to see the abuse. If he's been physically forced or prevented from getting a drink, then yes abuse.

I'm sorry I just think the OP's action of reporting the video to various news companies as over dramatic. Espicially when CPS and Social Services are already over ran with real cases of abuse.

Oh and Spot I applaud you daughter for eating English Mustard at 4. I made a ham sandwich with the stuff and couldn't choke it down, made my eyes water. :wah: And I'm from Texas.

Patrick · Post by **Patrick** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 7:15 am

magenta flame;681595 wrote: My point being you don't deliberately burn a kids mouth and then sit back and laugh about it while he goes and gets refreshments.

Of course you would take cultural aspects into it (I thought that was a given) It is not evident in that video though is it. Listen to what the father is saying in the video he doesn't want the boy to have a taste he is encouraging the full effect of the substance he is giving the young child. Would you do that?

SO if a doctor told this couple it's probably stupid to do that to a child you'd be ok with that ? I don't know what taking a child out of the home has to do with it.

That's what child protective services usually does when they believe there's abuse. It's a huge allegation to make. It's right up there with rape or murder IMO.

We don't know all the facts that go along with this video. Granted the parents look like knuckle draggers, but the kid is really hamming it up.

I hope the CPS officer called to investigate alleged abuse would be more thorough before reaching a conclusion, but there's no guarantee he/she would.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 6:47 pm

Apples and oranges.

neffy · Post by **neffy** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:00 pm

sixyearsleft;681822 wrote: Rain.....

The report, 'Rising to the Humanitarian Challenge in Iraq' reports that 70 percent of Iraqis are without adequate water supplies, compared to 50 percent in 2003, the year the U.S.led invasion of Iraq was launched. About 80 percent of Iraqis lack effective sanitation, the report said.

U.S. ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker acknowledged to reporters July 19th that Baghdad residents were receiving on average only one hour of electricity a day. Before the U.S.-led invasion, Baghdad residents received 16-24 hours of electricity daily.

Without electricity, water cannot be pumped to homes and the average daily summer temperture is well over 100 degrees.

The only area where electricity is available 24 hours a day as well as plentiful water supplies is the American occupied Green Zone ~ with its fully functioning living quarters, swimming pools, restaurants and health spas.

Now bear that in mind and consider that Iraqi hospitals are full of people with illnesses due to the unsafe water. Doctors at several hospitals confirmed to IPS that water is one of the worst causes of diseases, especially among children, and that some of children had died of water-borne diseases compounded by a severe lack of medicines.

While Bush lies about local progress ~ a report released July 30th by the international agency Oxfam and NCCI, a network of aid organisations working in Iraq, said that eight million Iraqis, nearly one in three, were in dire need of emergency aid.

reality check......

i could not watch all of that vid,to me war alone is child abuse,being caught in any war childeren never really understand the reason(even adults dont understand the reasons as well)

Richard Bell · Post by **Richard Bell** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:38 am

Sheryl;681600 wrote: The kid ate the pepper of his on free will

Kids will eat paint chips and drink lemon furniture polish of their own free will, too.They don't know any better.

That's where parenting enters the picture.

The whole video looks like it was made by and for people with marginal IQs. It's for the same market that would pass the time by pulling the wings off flies.

Richard Bell · Post by **Richard Bell** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:45 am

Tater Tazz;681486 wrote: I really do not see abuse there. I personnally like jalapeno peppers.

That's because you're an adult, and you have probably eaten thousands of jalapenos. You've developed a tolerance for hot food.

That jalapeno would have felt like a flame thrower in that kid's mouth. The pain would have been intense.

minks · Post by **minks** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:57 am

Aw Rain, sorry you feel so awful about that video, rest assured if that child was a victim of abuse he would have been bawling, he appears to be a bit of a ham and is playing it up.

Mind you the parents filiming it and putting it on the net is not so cool in my opinion.

You did what you felt was right Rain so be it.

And Rain yes you are right parents must protect their children, some days they get away from us when it comes to putting things in their mouths.

Jr Minks (between the ages of 3 and 7) has ate an entire African Voilet like it was salad, swallowed a necklace, a small packet of laxitives, enjoyed various spices from the spice cupoard including, cayenne pepper, gum off the road (here is where I should be reported but of course I can explain if necessary) and swallowed a $1.00 coin. Believe me we do our best but some days our kids beat us.