I'm glad he's dead! Yes, I am!

Lulu2 · Post by **Lulu2** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:10 am

Rangers in Kenya have killed a notorious Somalian poacher who plundered a famous game park for two decades, killing 17 elephants and nine rhinos in just the last five years, says Kenya Wildlife Service.

Hussein Ture, 60, died during a gunfight with rangers in Kenya's Tsavo East National Park.

He spent his life murdering innocent animals for their body parts. His end seems almost poetic, doesn't it?

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:17 am

Lulu2;488279 wrote:

Hussein Ture, 60, died during a gunfight with rangers in Kenay's Tsavo East National Park.
Well...this piece of dirt was named correctly, wasn't he? Lulu, have I told you yet today I think you're awesome?

Lulu2 · Post by **Lulu2** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:20 am

BR! :-4

(Glad you two don't think I'm human-phobic or something!) How about if we let elephants TRAMPLE HIS REMAINS INTO DUST? Or just leave him out for the hyenas and the vultures?

:sneaky:

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:23 am

Lulu2;488286 wrote: BR! :-4

(Glad you two don't think I'm human-phobic or something!) How about if we let elephants TRAMPLE HIS REMAINS INTO DUST? Or just leave him out for the hyenas and the vultures?

:sneaky:
Lulu, not only are you awesome, you're friggin BRILLIANT! I can think of a no more justified end to this piece of crap. Just because I hunt does NOT mean I think that elephants are fair game! Where's the justice in hunting an animal who fears you? That's NOT hunting.

I hope he got hit with one of the rounds from his elephant gun.

pantsonfire321@aol.com · Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:30 am

[QUOTE=Lulu2;488279]Rangers in Kenya have killed a notorious Somalian poacher who plundered a famous game park for two decades, killing 17 elephants and nine rhinos in just the last five years, says Kenya Wildlife Service.

Hussein Ture, 60, died during a gunfight with rangers in Kenya's Tsavo East National Park.

He spent his life murdering innocent animals for their body parts. His end seems almost poetic, doesn't it?[/QUOTE

I've always loved animals more than people (yes i know im weird) i hope the guys death was as painful as the death he inflicted upon those poor animals .

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:30 am

I agree let the animals have the last say with this poor excuse for a human being..

Lulu2 · Post by **Lulu2** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:33 am

Kenya Rangers spend their lives protecting endangered animals from poachers. I suspect their pleasure in finally killing this piece of DUNG was deep! Poachers aren't killing for food....they're selling ivory and rhino horn. If it weren't for wildlife organizations around the world and the dedication of the Kenyan Rangers, there would BE no elephants or rhinos!

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:59 am

Lulu2;488301 wrote: Kenya Rangers spend their lives protecting endangered animals from poachers. I suspect their pleasure in finally killing this piece of DUNG was deep! Poachers aren't killing for food....they're selling ivory and rhino horn. If it weren't for wildlife organizations around the world and the dedication of the Kenyan Rangers, there would BE no elephants or rhinos!
You know what I just don't and never will understand about this "practice"? Rhino horn is nothing more than compacted hair. What the hell is the value in that???? Sheesh, if I wanted to catch something with hair, I'd never have to leave my own backyard!:-5

I'd be next to the ******* with the incredible puppy license. :-5

Lulu2 · Post by **Lulu2** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:13 am

Know what's even worse, BR? Recently, people who sell powdered rhino horn have been mixing it with viagra...that way, their customers THINK it works and demand more!

You can IMAGINE what I'd like to do to THESE people!

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:14 am

Lulu2;488332 wrote: Know what's even worse, BR? Recently, people who sell powdered rhino horn have been mixing it with viagra...that way, their customers THINK it works and demand more!

You can IMAGINE what I'd like to do to THESE people!
Probably the very same thing I'd like to do. People like this do not belong breathing air with the rest of us humans.

Lulu2 · Post by **Lulu2** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:19 am

Well, perhaps the death of this poacher (who WAS legendary) will slow a little of the carnage.

By the way, Tsavo East is the area where the "killing" lions were, many years ago. They learned to pick off workers who were building a railroad through the east African plains. Clever devils!

It's also where you'll find Mzima springs, which has the most CRYSTALINE water pools, full of happy, bellowing hippos and surrounded by bold, comical babboons.

Denys Finch-Hatton (beloved of Karen Blixen) was chiefly responsible for establishing the area as a National Park.

(Probably more than you EVER wanted to know about Kenya. I'll get off the box now.)

Hey! Ever wondered what THE MOST DANGEROUS ANIMAL might be? I put up a thread in "Animals, zoo stories and other things to share" today.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:22 am

pantsonfire321@aol.com;488295 wrote:

I've always loved animals more than people (yes i know im weird) i hope the guys death was as painful as the death he inflicted upon those poor animals .

I don't think that's too weird myself. You always know where you stand with an animal and they rarely try to spite you.

I hope this loser burns in the pits of all fiery hell for all that he did.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:25 am

Lulu2;488342 wrote: Well, perhaps the death of this poacher (who WAS legendary) will slow a little of the carnage.

It's a nice thing to believe. Unfortunately, there is way too much demand for rhino penis and other such niceties. :-5

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 6:46 am

Theres a guy up the road that has an insurance company. He outgrew his former bldg. so he built a new one, bigger, so he can display all of his kills from safari's hes taken over the years.

Hes got them all, zebra, lion, water buffalo, antelopes of all sizes.

He had a huge rock formation built so the animals could be viewed in their natural state.

Hes very proud of himself.

Post by **spot** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 6:59 am

Nomad;488978 wrote: Hes very proud of himself.I'm delighted that there are people prepared to put money into wildlife conservation, it's heartening to hear of that degree of public benefaction.

When I look out of the train window at the fields of domesticated animals, I worry at the less fortunate wildlife for whom no equivalent financial provision is made.

In England we have a well-designed support system for cows and sheep, for instance. Much of the countryside is set aside from all commercial development, fenced or dry-walled where appropriate, and millions of these noble beasts are permitted to live out protected lives, even to the extent that their health is monitored and vetinarian services provided. Payment for this vast investment comes through retailers who accept payment for their dead flesh or milk, from which he takes a small percentage and passes the remainder back through a chain of wholesalers and slaughterhouses to the farm managers.

The only equivalent provision for exotic wildlife like zebras, unicorns, water buffalo, lions, elephants and the like is the safari. Tracts of native habitat are set aside for the sole use of these creatures, and their management and use of the land is paid for by tourism and trophy hunting.

Neither set is any longer under the discipline of Darwinian selection and the long-term effects of this would be debilitating were it not for two provisions within the management system. Farmers kill out weak specimens from the herds and flocks, and hunters shoot those weaker specimens of the wildlife at the direction of the Reserve managers. Only by such means are the genetic dynamics unaffected by the protection policy.

If we could only encourage more like your laudable Insurance Magnate to go and cull, at great personal expense, we could see an expansion of land set aside solely as wildlife havens. He should get a medal.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 7:06 am

He kills them because it makes him feel good. Then he displays them so others can feel good about him.

Im not sure if he should get a medal for that spot.

Post by **spot** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 7:58 am

Nomad;488993 wrote: He kills them because it makes him feel good. Then he displays them so others can feel good about him.

Im not sure if he should get a medal for that spot.
Farmers farm for the same reason, surely. It makes them feel good. They exhibit their finest stock, the winner of which goes to slaughter the following day. The farmer who took the prize is delighted by the honour done to him.

It would sadden me beyond measure if the fields of England no longer had so many sheep or cows to be seen and enjoyed by the public. I can see no reason why the same feeling shouldn't apply to the wildlife reserves which, to whose upkeep our hero has contributed so magnificently. I expect he enjoys his interaction between gun and nature, as well as the knowledge that he's helped so many animals in the process.

Shweet tatersalad · Post by **Shweet tatersalad** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 8:01 am

Hope they mount him on the wall.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 9:53 am

spot;489026 wrote: Farmers farm for the same reason, surely. It makes them feel good. They exhibit their finest stock, the winner of which goes to slaughter the following day. The farmer who took the prize is delighted by the honour done to him.

It would sadden me beyond measure if the fields of England no longer had so many sheep or cows to be seen and enjoyed by the public. I can see no reason why the same feeling shouldn't apply to the wildlife reserves which, to whose upkeep our hero has contributed so magnificently. I expect he enjoys his interaction between gun and nature, as well as the knowledge that he's helped so many animals in the process.

I suspect his ambitions have less to do with conservationism and more to do with beating his chest.

Post by **spot** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 12:33 pm

Scrat;489220 wrote: Keep in mind also Spot that more often than not it is not the weaker sick animals that are killed. It's the biggest and heathiest/most fit that get the bullet.

This is about egos here.

The system you pointed out does work great. In theory.I'd be interested in evidence that you're right about the "biggest and heathiest/most fit that get the bullet", and whether such targetting isn't a matter of the biggest being those those of the breeding population who have already contributed to the possibly bottlenecked gene pool. Just picking a google URL at random, there's a reasonable discussion of sustainable hunting and the benefits it brings at http://www.globaleye.org.uk/archive/sum ... s_pt1.html

Trophy hunting: About 90% of CAMPFIRE's income comes from selling hunting concessions to professional hunters and safari operators working to set government quotas. Individual hunters pay high fees to shoot elephant (US$12,000) and buffalo and are strictly monitored, accompanied by local, licensed professionals. Trophy hunting is considered to be the ultimate form of ecotourism, as hunters usually travel in small groups, demand few amenities, cause minimal damage to the local ecosystem, yet provide considerable income.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 1:57 pm

spot;489267 wrote:

Trophy hunting: About 90% of CAMPFIRE's income comes from selling hunting concessions to professional hunters and safari operators working to set government quotas. Individual hunters pay high fees to shoot elephant (US$12,000) and buffalo and are strictly monitored, accompanied by local, licensed professionals. Trophy hunting is considered to be the ultimate form of ecotourism, as hunters usually travel in small groups, demand few amenities, cause minimal damage to the local ecosystem, yet provide considerable income.

Hi Spot.

To my mind, I would equate that with the cigarette companies' "Don't Let Kids Smoke" program. It's hypocritical at best (their attitude, not your post) and smells fishy, kind of like the fox guarding the henhouse. The general ethical yardstick is "do you eat the animals you kill?" I would think elephant kabobs and water buffalo chunks would be a little tough and gamey. I think there's definitely something wrong with the mentality/ethics of people who shoot animals to stuff and display. Save money and go on a safari and shoot...pictures only. Enjoy the beasts in their natural state. That's what's beautiful and noble. Wilderness. Not a head stuck on the wall with fake eyes or an elephant foot stool or some such.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 2:46 pm

RedGlitter;489365 wrote: Hi Spot.

To my mind, I would equate that with the cigarette companies' "Don't Let Kids Smoke" program. It's hypocritical at best (their attitude, not your post) and smells fishy, kind of like the fox guarding the henhouse. The general ethical yardstick is "do you eat the animals you kill?" I would think elephant kabobs and water buffalo chunks would be a little tough and gamey. I think there's definitely something wrong with the mentality/ethics of people who shoot animals to stuff and display. Save money and go on a safari and shoot...pictures only. Enjoy the beasts in their natural state. That's what's beautiful and noble. Wilderness. Not a head stuck on the wall with fake eyes or an elephant foot stool or some such.

I agree. Ya gotta admit though when they use those fake rolling eyes its a real hoot.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 7:05 pm

Nomad;489401 wrote: I agree. Ya gotta admit though when they use those fake rolling eyes its a real hoot.

Nomad, send me your address so I can send you a chocolate moose at Easter with those wiggling googly eyes! :wah:

Scrat;489561 wrote:

I like what Red had to say but I would take it further. Send the brave hunter out into the bush in a loincloth with a knife.

May the best beast win.

Thanks Scrat. I like your idea. Let's see who wins without guns.

Lulu2 · Post by **Lulu2** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 7:27 pm

Are you familiar with the Cape Buffalo? It's known as one of the "Big 5" dangerous or elusive African animals. (Here's a link http://www.on-the-matrix.com/africa/buffalo.asp )

While in Botswana, we came upon a Cape Buffalo skeleton and I tried to lift the skull....couldn't do it! That's how huge and powerful this animal is. It deserves its reputation as fierce and dangerous...if you're trying to hunt it with a spear, for example.

In South Africa, I met a man who just couldn't WAIT to tell me he'd killed FIVE of them on a hunting safari!

"Oh," I said. "So--guides took you out where the herd was known to be and you shot them with high-powered weapons from the safety of a land-rover? How very brave of you."

For some reason, he walked away looking quite angry! JERK!

Post by **spot** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:43 am

Scrat;490715 wrote: That's the problem with Spots plan. Corruption.

Go on then, I'll bite, in what way does that story, or the entire notion of financially supporting wildlife reserves with sustainable hunting quotas, involve corruption? What instances of corrupt practice have you in mind? Lulu's tale might involve revulsion but I see no corruption in it.