Rainbow
I think that the molestation of children is directly related to the fact that children are not taught to be aware of their bodies, to be aware that those bodies belong to them and that they don't have to let people touch them. Some children know and they are not touched because they would scream bloody blue murder. I wish all children were like that....I mean screaming bloody blue murder at anyone who dared to touch them.
The Vatican's 'dirty little secret'
The Vatican's 'dirty little secret'
miriam:yh_flower
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
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Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
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weber wrote: Rainbow
I think that the molestation of children is directly related to the fact that children are not taught to be aware of their bodies, to be aware that those bodies belong to them and that they don't have to let people touch them. Some children know and they are not touched because they would scream bloody blue murder. I wish all children were like that....I mean screaming bloody blue murder at anyone who dared to touch them.
I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding because I know much gets lost on forums when we can't relate in person so I'm just wondering - are you saying ALL molestations wouldn't occur if parents were to educate their children about their bodies and how to respond to people who try and touch them when the touch is unwanted? Or do you mean that SOME children can avoid being molested if they are educated in that area?
I think that the molestation of children is directly related to the fact that children are not taught to be aware of their bodies, to be aware that those bodies belong to them and that they don't have to let people touch them. Some children know and they are not touched because they would scream bloody blue murder. I wish all children were like that....I mean screaming bloody blue murder at anyone who dared to touch them.
I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding because I know much gets lost on forums when we can't relate in person so I'm just wondering - are you saying ALL molestations wouldn't occur if parents were to educate their children about their bodies and how to respond to people who try and touch them when the touch is unwanted? Or do you mean that SOME children can avoid being molested if they are educated in that area?
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I haven't a clue what you want to know Rainbow
I am saying that if all children were taught about their bodies and that no one was allowed to touch their bodies and that if anyone did touch their bodies, they should scream bloody blue murder to make it stop, get someone's attention.....if that were the case people would not be as easily able to molest children.
Also I will say that a lot of sexual abuse takes place in the home on young children who are then primed to be sexuallly abused and be quiet because that is what they learned at home.
The Catholic Church abuses of children by priests is horrific, the cover up was worse. It makes vivid in my mind the need of society to take care of its children.
Now you are going to wonder what I mean there. Just that the RCC abuse scandal makes me fully aware of our need to protect our children. You see, until the RCC does something big to satisfy the public need for crucifying it, the public is just going to keep crucifying it and whilst crucifying the RCC, the plight of the children is being ignored. What was done, was done and cannot be undone, but something can be done to protect our children in the future. You see, anyone can say "I won't do it again" while they are still doing it. You can wipe out the Catholic Church and still the children are going to be sexually abused, and physically, and mentally, and emotionally abused and more.
I am saying that if all children were taught about their bodies and that no one was allowed to touch their bodies and that if anyone did touch their bodies, they should scream bloody blue murder to make it stop, get someone's attention.....if that were the case people would not be as easily able to molest children.
Also I will say that a lot of sexual abuse takes place in the home on young children who are then primed to be sexuallly abused and be quiet because that is what they learned at home.
The Catholic Church abuses of children by priests is horrific, the cover up was worse. It makes vivid in my mind the need of society to take care of its children.
Now you are going to wonder what I mean there. Just that the RCC abuse scandal makes me fully aware of our need to protect our children. You see, until the RCC does something big to satisfy the public need for crucifying it, the public is just going to keep crucifying it and whilst crucifying the RCC, the plight of the children is being ignored. What was done, was done and cannot be undone, but something can be done to protect our children in the future. You see, anyone can say "I won't do it again" while they are still doing it. You can wipe out the Catholic Church and still the children are going to be sexually abused, and physically, and mentally, and emotionally abused and more.
miriam:yh_flower
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
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I am saying that if all children were taught about their bodies and that no one was allowed to touch their bodies and that if anyone did touch their bodies, they should scream bloody blue murder to make it stop, get someone's attention.....if that were the case people would not be as easily able to molest children.
No Weber, I won't go on wondering what you mean about everything you post :wah: And I don't believe we are disagreeing on the issue with the Catholic Church.
I questioned your original thought on child molestation because if you were saying ALL cases of abuse could be avoided by educating children about their bodies and their right to refuse touch I would tell you that you are absolutely wrong. My sister was sexually abused. She was very aware of her body, she also was aware that if someone wanted to touch her and she was not comfortable with that touch then she should say no and if that person insisted she should scream and run away and tell an adult immediately. She failed to do so... why? Because when she said no the man who was touching her told her that if she told he will kill her parents. That kept her silent for 3 years.
Sexual abuse isn't always that cut and dry. Nor is it always apparent to people around the abused or the abuser that is happening.
No Weber, I won't go on wondering what you mean about everything you post :wah: And I don't believe we are disagreeing on the issue with the Catholic Church.
I questioned your original thought on child molestation because if you were saying ALL cases of abuse could be avoided by educating children about their bodies and their right to refuse touch I would tell you that you are absolutely wrong. My sister was sexually abused. She was very aware of her body, she also was aware that if someone wanted to touch her and she was not comfortable with that touch then she should say no and if that person insisted she should scream and run away and tell an adult immediately. She failed to do so... why? Because when she said no the man who was touching her told her that if she told he will kill her parents. That kept her silent for 3 years.
Sexual abuse isn't always that cut and dry. Nor is it always apparent to people around the abused or the abuser that is happening.
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Rainbow
If I had meant that ALL abuse could be stopped that way that I spoke of, I would have said so, but I didn't. I am fully aware that some abuse is done at the threat of killing someone the child loves. I am fully aware that some abuse is done forcibly with similar threats. I am very aware of child abuse in all its forms without being told by you. Obviously anything I am saying is held in some form of contempt that I have no idea of what I am talking about. If I had no idea, I would not be talking and that sounds like a good idea to me.
If I had meant that ALL abuse could be stopped that way that I spoke of, I would have said so, but I didn't. I am fully aware that some abuse is done at the threat of killing someone the child loves. I am fully aware that some abuse is done forcibly with similar threats. I am very aware of child abuse in all its forms without being told by you. Obviously anything I am saying is held in some form of contempt that I have no idea of what I am talking about. If I had no idea, I would not be talking and that sounds like a good idea to me.
miriam:yh_flower
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
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On many occassions I've attempted to have a civil conversation with you but everytime I post you take it personally - and your the only one who does that with me around here and I don't understand why. What is your problem with me exactly?
I mentioned on another thread that the church believed in reincarnation until Constantine changed that idea and you twisted that to somehow mean I was telling you what to believe or not believe about the afterlife - when I was just stating a fact. I asked you a question afterwards to engage you in polite conversation on the topic and you never responsed. Which was fine.
Then on the abortion issue (When does life begin) you said that women who have abortions don't want their babies and I replied with a different opinion on that topic and immediately you start apologizing and stating that you would no longer participate in the conversation -
Now here, you respond defensively just because I wanted to clarify your post with you and because I gave another opinion about how and why some children are abused? Maybe it is me you have the problem with and I just missed that somewhere but when I asked you to clarify your post I did so because I didn't want to respond to something I may have misunderstood. I thought I was being polite, NOT confrontational. And then you had to get snarky with:
The Catholic Church abuses of children by priests is horrific, the cover up was worse. It makes vivid in my mind the need of society to take care of its children.
Now you are going to wonder what I mean there.
As before, with the reincarnation topic you presume to know what I'm thinking or implying by my post. Not sure what that is all about and I won't worry myself trying to understand it either.
If I had meant that ALL abuse could be stopped that way that I spoke of, I would have said so, but I didn't. I am fully aware that some abuse is done at the threat of killing someone the child loves. I am fully aware that some abuse is done forcibly with similar threats. I am very aware of child abuse in all its forms without being told by you. Obviously anything I am saying is held in some form of contempt that I have no idea of what I am talking about. If I had no idea, I would not be talking and that sounds like a good idea to me.
^This was EXACTLY what I was trying to AVOID when I was attempting to clarify my understanding of your post regarding the abuse of children. And all I'm saying is that I believed you to be wrong when you said:
I am saying that if all children were taught about their bodies and that no one was allowed to touch their bodies and that if anyone did touch their bodies, they should scream bloody blue murder to make it stop, get someone's attention.....if that were the case people would not be as easily able to molest children.
As far as I know, from my experience and the experience of others that have been shared with me, there are numerous situations that lead to sexual abuse. And just knowing about your body and knowing how to say no isn't going to prevent a good share of sexual abuse cases. It might prevents some but that is all.
^I'm sorry if that opinion of MINE makes you feel as if I'm holding your opinion in contempt. You are completely wrong about that. I've always enjoyed reading what you had to say and just wanted to share what I knew on various topics as well. But obviously you take issue with that as I've noticed your remarks towards me in the past so I will no longer try to engage in any type of conversation with you. It just isn't worth it.
I mentioned on another thread that the church believed in reincarnation until Constantine changed that idea and you twisted that to somehow mean I was telling you what to believe or not believe about the afterlife - when I was just stating a fact. I asked you a question afterwards to engage you in polite conversation on the topic and you never responsed. Which was fine.
Then on the abortion issue (When does life begin) you said that women who have abortions don't want their babies and I replied with a different opinion on that topic and immediately you start apologizing and stating that you would no longer participate in the conversation -
Now here, you respond defensively just because I wanted to clarify your post with you and because I gave another opinion about how and why some children are abused? Maybe it is me you have the problem with and I just missed that somewhere but when I asked you to clarify your post I did so because I didn't want to respond to something I may have misunderstood. I thought I was being polite, NOT confrontational. And then you had to get snarky with:
The Catholic Church abuses of children by priests is horrific, the cover up was worse. It makes vivid in my mind the need of society to take care of its children.
Now you are going to wonder what I mean there.
As before, with the reincarnation topic you presume to know what I'm thinking or implying by my post. Not sure what that is all about and I won't worry myself trying to understand it either.
If I had meant that ALL abuse could be stopped that way that I spoke of, I would have said so, but I didn't. I am fully aware that some abuse is done at the threat of killing someone the child loves. I am fully aware that some abuse is done forcibly with similar threats. I am very aware of child abuse in all its forms without being told by you. Obviously anything I am saying is held in some form of contempt that I have no idea of what I am talking about. If I had no idea, I would not be talking and that sounds like a good idea to me.
^This was EXACTLY what I was trying to AVOID when I was attempting to clarify my understanding of your post regarding the abuse of children. And all I'm saying is that I believed you to be wrong when you said:
I am saying that if all children were taught about their bodies and that no one was allowed to touch their bodies and that if anyone did touch their bodies, they should scream bloody blue murder to make it stop, get someone's attention.....if that were the case people would not be as easily able to molest children.
As far as I know, from my experience and the experience of others that have been shared with me, there are numerous situations that lead to sexual abuse. And just knowing about your body and knowing how to say no isn't going to prevent a good share of sexual abuse cases. It might prevents some but that is all.
^I'm sorry if that opinion of MINE makes you feel as if I'm holding your opinion in contempt. You are completely wrong about that. I've always enjoyed reading what you had to say and just wanted to share what I knew on various topics as well. But obviously you take issue with that as I've noticed your remarks towards me in the past so I will no longer try to engage in any type of conversation with you. It just isn't worth it.
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May I be permitted a comment here. When taking courses on interprersonal relationships we were often taught that if we did not quite understand something that we ask about what was said. That's a very common thing to do. It is far better then making a comment and finding out you were wrong. BTW, I done that inspite of myself. LOL.
This is not an attempt to judge anyone or their words but merely a comment about some facts that I learned. I do hope it helps.
Shalom
Ted:-6
This is not an attempt to judge anyone or their words but merely a comment about some facts that I learned. I do hope it helps.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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rainbowsmiles wrote: ^I'm sorry if that opinion of MINE makes you feel as if I'm holding your opinion in contempt. You are completely wrong about that. I've always enjoyed reading what you had to say and just wanted to share what I knew on various topics as well. But obviously you take issue with that as I've noticed your remarks towards me in the past so I will no longer try to engage in any type of conversation with you. It just isn't worth it.
You know Rainbow
Up until the above, I was reading and thinking how unfair I had been with you and that I should apologize. Actually my responses to you had nothing to do with you personally. I hadn't even thought of your questioning in the light of wanting to know my exact feelings so that you could deal with them. I really don't think that my statements(posts)were that far out but if they were to you, that is valid.
If there was a post that I did not answer, it was not intentional. I must have gone and come back and some of these threads move so fast that it is easy to overlook a post. Sometimes I come back and four or five pages have gone by and sometimes that is if I am only gone an hour or so.
As to the above part of your quote, it is too bad you didn't say something a little less drastic sooner. But then maybe I wouldn't have listened.
You know Rainbow
Up until the above, I was reading and thinking how unfair I had been with you and that I should apologize. Actually my responses to you had nothing to do with you personally. I hadn't even thought of your questioning in the light of wanting to know my exact feelings so that you could deal with them. I really don't think that my statements(posts)were that far out but if they were to you, that is valid.
If there was a post that I did not answer, it was not intentional. I must have gone and come back and some of these threads move so fast that it is easy to overlook a post. Sometimes I come back and four or five pages have gone by and sometimes that is if I am only gone an hour or so.
As to the above part of your quote, it is too bad you didn't say something a little less drastic sooner. But then maybe I wouldn't have listened.
miriam:yh_flower
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
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Been there, done that.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Shalom
Ted:-6
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weber wrote: You know Rainbow
Up until the above, I was reading and thinking how unfair I had been with you and that I should apologize. Actually my responses to you had nothing to do with you personally. I hadn't even thought of your questioning in the light of wanting to know my exact feelings so that you could deal with them. I really don't think that my statements(posts)were that far out but if they were to you, that is valid.
If there was a post that I did not answer, it was not intentional. I must have gone and come back and some of these threads move so fast that it is easy to overlook a post. Sometimes I come back and four or five pages have gone by and sometimes that is if I am only gone an hour or so.
As to the above part of your quote, it is too bad you didn't say something a little less drastic sooner. But then maybe I wouldn't have listened.
You lost me in the sarcasm - in general I tend to post and view posts in a direct way. I don't communicate well in disparaging ways.
Up until the above, I was reading and thinking how unfair I had been with you and that I should apologize. Actually my responses to you had nothing to do with you personally. I hadn't even thought of your questioning in the light of wanting to know my exact feelings so that you could deal with them. I really don't think that my statements(posts)were that far out but if they were to you, that is valid.
If there was a post that I did not answer, it was not intentional. I must have gone and come back and some of these threads move so fast that it is easy to overlook a post. Sometimes I come back and four or five pages have gone by and sometimes that is if I am only gone an hour or so.
As to the above part of your quote, it is too bad you didn't say something a little less drastic sooner. But then maybe I wouldn't have listened.
You lost me in the sarcasm - in general I tend to post and view posts in a direct way. I don't communicate well in disparaging ways.
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The bell just went. Go to your corners please. LOL
Perhaps the ref. will call it a draw. LOL
Shalom
Ted:-6
Perhaps the ref. will call it a draw. LOL
Shalom
Ted:-6
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Ted wrote: The bell just went. Go to your corners please. LOL
Perhaps the ref. will call it a draw. LOL
Shalom
Ted:-6
Oh, I just realized the problem. I'm going to my corner. I'm going to bed. And I don't think it is a draw. Rainbow just won. Congratulations.
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Perhaps the ref. will call it a draw. LOL
Shalom
Ted:-6
Oh, I just realized the problem. I'm going to my corner. I'm going to bed. And I don't think it is a draw. Rainbow just won. Congratulations.
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miriam:yh_flower
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
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Last I checked I didn't think anyone was trying to win anything. I think we were attempting to communicate and we failed. At least I know I must have. :-3
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weber:-6
As an observer I think there probably have been misunderstandings on both sides. I don't get the sense that either of you is really into a battle.
I don't think either one has won either. But both will be losers in that you will not be able to learn from each other, if you part your ways. We can each learn from one another. We do not always agree. Many don't agree with me but the trick is not to take most things said here in a personal way.
That can happen in a discussion or debate even though those involved don't realize what has happened.
I do hope this helps.
Shalom
Ted:-6
As an observer I think there probably have been misunderstandings on both sides. I don't get the sense that either of you is really into a battle.
I don't think either one has won either. But both will be losers in that you will not be able to learn from each other, if you part your ways. We can each learn from one another. We do not always agree. Many don't agree with me but the trick is not to take most things said here in a personal way.
That can happen in a discussion or debate even though those involved don't realize what has happened.
I do hope this helps.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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Ted wrote: weber:-6
As an observer I think there probably have been misunderstandings on both sides. I don't get the sense that either of you is really into a battle.
I don't think either one has won either. But both will be losers in that you will not be able to learn from each other, if you part your ways. We can each learn from one another. We do not always agree. Many don't agree with me but the trick is not to take most things said here in a personal way.
That can happen in a discussion or debate even though those involved don't realize what has happened.
I do hope this helps.
Shalom
Ted:-6
I'm still here Ted
You are a gem and I really appreciate what you are doing. Unfortunately I don't think anything will help in this case. The damage went too deep before it was addressed and I am not about to beg for forgiveness for something unintended.
Nite
As an observer I think there probably have been misunderstandings on both sides. I don't get the sense that either of you is really into a battle.
I don't think either one has won either. But both will be losers in that you will not be able to learn from each other, if you part your ways. We can each learn from one another. We do not always agree. Many don't agree with me but the trick is not to take most things said here in a personal way.
That can happen in a discussion or debate even though those involved don't realize what has happened.
I do hope this helps.
Shalom
Ted:-6
I'm still here Ted
You are a gem and I really appreciate what you are doing. Unfortunately I don't think anything will help in this case. The damage went too deep before it was addressed and I am not about to beg for forgiveness for something unintended.
Nite
miriam:yh_flower
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
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So today is a new day Rainbow
and I do not like being at odds with people. If you are game, I am too, to letting this go an starting new and fresh.
and I do not like being at odds with people. If you are game, I am too, to letting this go an starting new and fresh.
miriam:yh_flower
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
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weber wrote: So today is a new day Rainbow
and I do not like being at odds with people. If you are game, I am too, to letting this go an starting new and fresh.
Absolutely!
and I do not like being at odds with people. If you are game, I am too, to letting this go an starting new and fresh.
Absolutely!
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rainbowsmiles wrote: Absolutely!
Games on:driving:
Games on:driving:
miriam:yh_flower
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
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weber/rainbowsmiles:-6 :-6
Amen.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Amen.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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Ted wrote: weber/rainbowsmiles:-6 :-6
Amen.
Shalom
Ted:-6Ted
People are like Gods angels for each other and sometimes the light shines brightly. You are a good light
Amen.
Shalom
Ted:-6Ted
People are like Gods angels for each other and sometimes the light shines brightly. You are a good light
miriam:yh_flower
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
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weber:-6
Thankyou. I only hope that I can leave this world a little better than when I came into it. I simply follow my heart.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Thankyou. I only hope that I can leave this world a little better than when I came into it. I simply follow my heart.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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Ted wrote: weber:-6
Thankyou. I only hope that I can leave this world a little better than when I came into it. I simply follow my heart.
Shalom
Ted:-6
You certainly have a calling Ted:-6
We all do but everybody's is different. I think my calling was to get in trouble a lot.
Thankyou. I only hope that I can leave this world a little better than when I came into it. I simply follow my heart.
Shalom
Ted:-6
You certainly have a calling Ted:-6
We all do but everybody's is different. I think my calling was to get in trouble a lot.
miriam:yh_flower
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
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weber:-6
LOL
Actually there is nothing wrong with stirring the pot once in awhile or frequently is necessary. It does make people think and that is the first step towards true freedom.
Shalom
Ted:-6
LOL
Actually there is nothing wrong with stirring the pot once in awhile or frequently is necessary. It does make people think and that is the first step towards true freedom.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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Ted wrote: weber:-6
LOL
Actually there is nothing wrong with stirring the pot once in awhile or frequently is necessary. It does make people think and that is the first step towards true freedom.
Shalom
Ted:-6
You know you are right Ted.
I never thought of it that way as stirring the pot bringing new ideas that have to be worked out, relationships that have to be worked out. I have never liked stirring the pot but I also don't like sitting in the corner. I find myself sticking my neck out but I don't like when I get smacked so I have missed a lot of the good things in life. Guess I have to stop thinking of it as being smacked. Interesting.
LOL
Actually there is nothing wrong with stirring the pot once in awhile or frequently is necessary. It does make people think and that is the first step towards true freedom.
Shalom
Ted:-6
You know you are right Ted.
I never thought of it that way as stirring the pot bringing new ideas that have to be worked out, relationships that have to be worked out. I have never liked stirring the pot but I also don't like sitting in the corner. I find myself sticking my neck out but I don't like when I get smacked so I have missed a lot of the good things in life. Guess I have to stop thinking of it as being smacked. Interesting.
miriam:yh_flower
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
The Vatican's 'dirty little secret'
weber:-6
Getting "smacked" goes with stirring the pot. The only thing to remember it is never personal and if perchance it is one can always turn the other cheek. The pain soon goes away and perhaps something positive will come out of it in the end.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Getting "smacked" goes with stirring the pot. The only thing to remember it is never personal and if perchance it is one can always turn the other cheek. The pain soon goes away and perhaps something positive will come out of it in the end.
Shalom
Ted:-6
The Vatican's 'dirty little secret'
I'll learn. How's this
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Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.
.................Charles Mingus
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?
The Vatican's 'dirty little secret'
weber:-6
Perfect. LOL
Shalom
Ted:-6
Perfect. LOL
Shalom
Ted:-6
The Vatican's 'dirty little secret'
Yes it is disgusting. Unfortunately the Church of Rome doesn't have a monopoly on that kind of behaviour. I suspect that part of the problem was public denial for so many years instead of dealing with it appropriately. Several of the priests thought they could get away with it as a result.
Other churches have tried to deal with it appropriately and thus have a better record.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Other churches have tried to deal with it appropriately and thus have a better record.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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The Vatican's 'dirty little secret'
mrsK;514972 wrote: A friend just sent this to me thought I would share it:-1 :-1
http://www.bulletin.ninemsn.com/article.aspx?id=141510
The Roman Catholic Church has been rightly described as 'a haven for homosexual paedophiles', mrsK. For another account of sex crimes committed against children by the sordid 'holy men' of the Catholic Church see post #24 of the thread Why The Christian's Laughter Is Full Of Pain which can be found in the General Religious Discussions section of this forum.
Elsewhere in that same thread I suggested that a useful metaphor through which to understand the Catholic Church is as follows:
The Catholic Church - a.k.a. 'The Body Of Christ' - is an obscene predatory pig of cosmic proportions within whose endless fatty folds and rancid recesses are contained the lost 'souls' of countless child victims.
http://www.bulletin.ninemsn.com/article.aspx?id=141510
The Roman Catholic Church has been rightly described as 'a haven for homosexual paedophiles', mrsK. For another account of sex crimes committed against children by the sordid 'holy men' of the Catholic Church see post #24 of the thread Why The Christian's Laughter Is Full Of Pain which can be found in the General Religious Discussions section of this forum.
Elsewhere in that same thread I suggested that a useful metaphor through which to understand the Catholic Church is as follows:
The Catholic Church - a.k.a. 'The Body Of Christ' - is an obscene predatory pig of cosmic proportions within whose endless fatty folds and rancid recesses are contained the lost 'souls' of countless child victims.