Is this justified, or am I just mean?

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 7:56 pm

I received an email yesterday that had begun as a petition by MADD. (Mothers Against Drunk Driving) It was a very touching poem about a girl who went to a party, and remembering her mothers warnings about the dangers of drinking and driving, had only soft drinks. She left the party and was killed by a drunk driver. The poem went on with the girl being the "speaker" as if she was talking to her parents even though she was dead. Yes, it was very sad.

Now, I support the IDEA of MADD. I think there is a lot of good that they do, and some things they do are a bit extreme. I knew that at the end of this email, I would be asked to "sign" it and forward it to a lot of people, and I was prepared to do just that. Until I got to the end.

In the area where they spell out the instructions for how to copy, paste, sign, and forward, they added a little incentive. It read: "Please sign and forward this email. If you simply delete it your selfishness knows no bounds."

Now, in my opinion, that is just emotional blackmail; something I don't respond to very well. I was all set to jump on the bandwagon, sign my name, send it to bunches of people...but when I read THAT...Nah. Don't try guilting me into anything. It ticked me off. Would it tick you off?

P.S. (My apologies to the person who sent this email to me...nothing personal! :yh_bigsmi)

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:20 pm

BABYRIDER,

I agree with your assesment totally. I would have done the same thing..

David813 · Post by **David813** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:35 pm

I wouldn't have signed it either. Of course drunk driving is bad but MADD is not an admirable organization. They're self righteous zealots with the desire to expand the role of the police and government in the US. These two entities have quite enough power as it is. MADD works with local police at roadblocks. In my city they are not stopping drunk driving but harrassing lawful citizens by forcing everyone to prove their innocence, listen to one of them preach and be held up in huge traffic snarls. All of this gets MADD money, noteriety and the sympathy they crave. At one local major league sporting event MADD and local police taken off violent crime duty blockaded an interstate highway after a summer night game. Thousands were tied up in traffic for up to 3 hours. Emergency vehicles were blocked as well. Out of 3,609 persons harrassed 12 were arrested for alcohol or drug offenses. Sure, one of these dummies might have killed someone but the poor souls waiting on stopped ambulances suffered the same fate. MADD is BAD. And not in a good way.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:43 pm

that poem has been around for YEARS. yes you are mean BR, LOL...i loathe drunk drivers. it's half my reason for existance. but delete the email. it's the same junk i automatically delete from my friends about angels and friendship and other super-sweet stuff. yuck. save me from cute kittens too. but seriously....leave the drunk drivers to we that are on the road and busting their sorry butts.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:59 pm

OK, so I'm not the cold-hearted ruthless jerk some others have said. Good enough.

Now, Ladycop...I will be sure to leave you off the list when I forward those mushy angelic "without-your-friends-you-would-DIE" emails, but when I get the info on the incendiary rounds for the 9mm, you want that, right? :yh_bigsmi :yh_rotfl

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 9:04 pm

BabyRider wrote: OK, so I'm not the cold-hearted ruthless jerk some others have said. Good enough.

Now, Ladycop...I will be sure to leave you off the list when I forward those mushy angelic "without-your-friends-you-would-DIE" emails, but when I get the info on the incendiary rounds for the 9mm, you want that, right? :yh_bigsmi :yh_rotfl yep. send all gun stuff! and cold-hearted is GOOD.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 9:17 pm

OK, cold-hearted is good.....ruthless jerk, is not....Got it! :yh_bigsmi

koan · Post by **koan** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 12:06 am

I despise any email that is not from friends or family. I delete it all.

As far as MADD goes as an organization? I think they have a very worthy cause. I know a number of people who drink and drive and/or do drugs and drive. They are louses. It only takes one mistake...and God help them if the mistake is my daughter or anyone else I know.

And it is only a matter of time before a drunk driver kills someone. CRIPES! I feel guilty when I drive tired! They can pull me over any time. If it saves one life it is worth my time.

cars · Post by **cars** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 6:35 am

CARLA wrote: BABYRIDER,

I agree with your assesment totally. I would have done the same thing..

I to agree with you guys, I would have just deleted it also, no brow beating allowed! :-5

Cars :driving:

greydeadhead · Post by **greydeadhead** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 8:05 am

BR..

Good call.. nothing is worse than being guilted into signing a petition.. no matter what the cause. MADD has a great idea.. but the extreme measures they employ really does deter me from supporting thier cause. Of course if the drunk driving laws were alittle more ummm.. punitive and enforced then perhaps this problem would disappear. I love reading in the paper about the 10 time repeat offender that we can't throw in jail because it would be an infringement on his rights.. or some other excuse.

Then of course there is MADD's opposition group..DAMM ..

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 8:24 am

greydeadhead wrote: BR..

Good call.. nothing is worse than being guilted into signing a petition.. no matter what the cause. MADD has a great idea.. but the extreme measures they employ really does deter me from supporting thier cause. Of course if the drunk driving laws were alittle more ummm.. punitive and enforced then perhaps this problem would disappear. I love reading in the paper about the 10 time repeat offender that we can't throw in jail because it would be an infringement on his rights.. or some other excuse.

Then of course there is MADD's opposition group..DAMM ..Don't you think that they would get a better response from people being just a LITTLE nice? I have had dealings with this group, and let me tell you, their name is very appropriate. All these folks are mad. Bitter, angry, and vengeful come to mind too. 10 years ago I had a DUI. Stupid, yes I know. I learned, (unlike many) and never drove drunk again. But the classes you are forced to take where you get screamed at by a mother who has lost a child to a drunk driver...WOW.

Yep, I learned. It cost me $6,000 all told, and I don't resent the money, or any of it. The only thing I resented was being made to feel like a useless, piece of crap, murdering criminal by those women.

I didn't quit drinking then, but I always took a cab or got a ride. Today is day 54 of sobriety for me. So far so good.

greydeadhead · Post by **greydeadhead** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 8:34 am

great.. keep going. Yes.. being made to feel worse than hardened criminal is not only ridculous.. but psychologically a killer. I mean I am sure that those ladies never ever did anything stupid or wrong in the lives. And rather than lobbying their respective state legislatures for stricter penalties or enforcement it is easier and more ego boosting to guilt trip someone who has made a mistake.. kinda sick if you really think about it..

LottomagicZ4941 · Post by **LottomagicZ4941** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 11:52 am

I've lost some good friends due to drinking.

One decided the driver of the car home from the bar was to loaded so he decide to walk home only he wondered in front of a semi.

It was his 21st birthday. To bad the designated driver decided to drink.

I actually had a cop make me drive drunk one time. It was back in my drinking days of course.

I was at a bar and had no intention of leaving anytime soon. But there was a fight and the police closed the bar. I told the officer I was not ready to drive but he ordered me two. I was nervious driving drunk in front of so many cops. Thinking it was a trap.

About 10 miles later I got pulled over by a cop I knew and he was like why are you driving like this and I told him that Evens PD made me leave the bar drunk. This was back in the mid 80s so he let me go on my way on the back roads. I was not totally trashed but I know I was not legal.

As for forwarding the E-mail that is your own call. When I was new to the internet I forwardes bunches and bunches of stuff. These days I just E-post good stuff online for the most part.

Lotto

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minks · Post by **minks** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 1:06 pm

I have been a long time MADD supporter and sad to say, they do use harassment tactics to an extent. I pay a very minimum to them due to my strict budget and they come onto the phone monthly with "we appreciate your donation in the past can we expect $50 from you this time around. I almost want to tell them to go to Hades. I say no you can not, you can either have my small donation or zero you choose. They back right down. Also they like to claim the never heard of me and ask if I wish to donate, then I flip on them. I have almost reached the point where I do not want to support them any longer, but I believe whole heartedly in their cause, I after all do own 2 teenage daughters. Some days their radical hippy protest tactics are off putting.

minks · Post by **minks** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 1:06 pm

BTW BR your doing the right thing don't feel bad in the least. I like koan delete any email that is not from a known sender to me. I dont' need my time wasted.

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:57 pm

I dont know of this organisation although it does sound like they are fighting for a worthy cause, why on earth do they resort to blackmailing your

emotions

I would have been tempted to mail them telling them my feelings so that they would maybe change the way they mail folk.

Dont feel bad hon, it would have annoyed me too x

RedSoxFan · Post by **RedSoxFan** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 5:39 pm

I go out all the time and drink. I drive home all the time too. I can have five drinks and not feel a thing, really. I think that the legal limit should be increased considerably. .08 is just not that much alcohol at all. Isnt that like less than a beer? Some people have weaker tolerances but other people have strong ones like mine and can drink a little more. Not everyone should be punished. I was detained one night when I was 18 and blew a .17 and didnt really feel it that much. Atleast thats what they said I blew.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 6:14 pm

RedSoxFan wrote: I go out all the time and drink. I drive home all the time too. I can have five drinks and not feel a thing, really. that's the problem, "not feeling a thing".

i see the victims all too often. and arrest the ones who think the legal limit doesn't apply to them.

koan · Post by **koan** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 6:24 pm

RedSoxFan wrote: I go out all the time and drink. I drive home all the time too. I can have five drinks and not feel a thing, really. I think that the legal limit should be increased considerably. .08 is just not that much alcohol at all. Isnt that like less than a beer? Some people have weaker tolerances but other people have strong ones like mine and can drink a little more. Not everyone should be punished. I was detained one night when I was 18 and blew a .17 and didnt really feel it that much. Atleast thats what they said I blew.

You sound proud.

This comment is just outright ignorant. You have the makings of a troll.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 7:39 pm

Godiva Girl wrote: You, Red Sox Fan, are an ignorant fool. It is people just like you, one of the people with "stronger tolerances for liquor" that end up killing innocent people. You may not feel anything after 5 beers but how will you feel after it results in someones life?

they usually don't care until they're sentenced to 20 years. we have a guy here, one of MANY, who killed a beautiful 12 year old boy with his whole life ahead of him, :-1 ....and during his stay in our jail he was MOST demanding of his privileges and rights. every time i was at the jail and had contact with him i had an irrepressible urge to kick his ass.

RedSoxFan · Post by **RedSoxFan** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 7:47 pm

Godiva Girl wrote: You, Red Sox Fan, are an ignorant fool. It is people just like you, one of the people with "stronger tolerances for liquor" that end up killing innocent people. You may not feel anything after 5 beers but how will you feel after it results in someones life?

Well, if I dont feel anything then my driving wouldnt be impared now would it. So if I get in an accident when not feeling anything, yeah I'd be upset if someone died, but I wouldnt blame it one the Liquor, because I wouldnt feel it. I know my limits and stay to them. 5 is nothing and does nothing for me.

David813 · Post by **David813** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 7:55 pm

I have to agree with the RedSoxFan that not everyone reacts exactly the same with alcohol. A former girlfriend of mine could slam down a bottle of Jack in a sitting and play cards like she was in Vegas! On the other hand I'm in the bathroom vacating my stomach contents after 3 drinks, and I'm twice her size. The police in many cases use DUI laws to invade privacy and force people to prove innocence all too often. It nets big bucks for the city/county/province and justifies abusive police procedures.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 7:59 pm

David813 wrote: I have to agree with the RedSoxFan that not everyone reacts exactly the same with alcohol. A former girlfriend of mine could slam down a bottle of Jack in a sitting and play cards like she was in Vegas! On the other hand I'm in the bathroom vacating my stomach contents after 3 drinks, and I'm twice her size. The police in many cases use DUI laws to invade privacy and force people to prove innocence all too often. It nets big bucks for the city/county/province and justifies abusive police procedures.
Oooh...Dave... :yh_doh

RedSoxFan · Post by **RedSoxFan** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 8:06 pm

David813 wrote: I have to agree with the RedSoxFan that not everyone reacts exactly the same with alcohol. A former girlfriend of mine could slam down a bottle of Jack in a sitting and play cards like she was in Vegas! On the other hand I'm in the bathroom vacating my stomach contents after 3 drinks, and I'm twice her size. The police in many cases use DUI laws to invade privacy and force people to prove innocence all too often. It nets big bucks for the city/county/province and justifies abusive police procedures.

Well put David813, Thats how my Ex-Girlfriend used to be, she could only have 2 drinks tho, and then she would be done. So I know how you feel. Its just how your bady takes it. The people who are against us in this thread might not drink at all, so they might not quite inderstand.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 8:13 pm

David813 wrote: The police in many cases use DUI laws to invade privacy and force people to prove innocence all too often. It nets big bucks for the city/county/province and justifies abusive police procedures. what total crap. the law is as it stands, go change it. and ride along with me some night. redsoxfan, you are an accident looking for a place to happen. sadly, i'll have to view your victims.

RedSoxFan · Post by **RedSoxFan** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 8:16 pm

lady cop wrote: what total crap. the law is as it stands, go change it. and ride along with me some night. redsoxfan, you are an accident looking for a place to happen. sadly, i'll have to view your victims.

Did David touch on a hidden truth? Are you talking to me in this last response or David? You quoted him but mentioned me.....

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 8:22 pm

i don't need to explain or justify myself to you or anyone else. get lost. you have done a sufficient job of making a fool of yourself here.

David813 · Post by **David813** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 8:26 pm

Absolutely no disrespect intended but I'm just not as impressed with The Badge as others appear to be on this topic. My having a profound belief in civil libertarianism is the bedrock of my opinion here. I don't apologize. RedSoxFan is probably a tough guy from Boston that enjoys his booze. I fear poison ivy much more than I fear being killed by a drunk driver.

David813 · Post by **David813** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 8:27 pm

Just my humble opinion!!! Be Nice! I'm new!

koan · Post by **koan** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 8:31 pm

RedSox,

If you don't feel anything (which is why most people drink) then you certain are too drunk to drive. Or too much of an idiot, at the least.

I can drink one glass and be tipsy and another night drink ten or more and feel completely sober. It doesn't mean I can drive because I feel sober. Unless I'm an idiot I know how much I had to drink. It still affects you.

This is a load of crap and you know it. Why bother?

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 8:32 pm

David813 wrote: Absolutely no disrespect intended but I'm just not as impressed with The Badge as others appear to be on this topic. My having a profound belief in civil libertarianism is the bedrock of my opinion here. I don't apologize. RedSoxFan is probably a tough guy from Boston that enjoys his booze. I fear poison ivy much more than I fear being killed by a drunk driver. i am a huge believer in civil liberties. i am not some knee-jerk nazi. but i am sworn to uphold the laws as they stand. you don't have to be impressed. hell, i was a hippie at MLK's speech in DC and a believer in human/civil rights. but on THIS topic, drunk drivers, i am recalcitrant and adament. i see too much carnage by idiots who think they are somehow above it all and privileged. and i would be careful who i align myself with. redsox is a troll.

David813 · Post by **David813** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 8:46 pm

Wow! "Be careful who you align yourself with..." I'm not aligned to anyone! I just found this board! Again, the police do not intimidate me, regardless of the subject at hand. I respect your position but finally running into someone that doesn't necessarily worship police officers doesn't justify being aggressive. This is common behavior in over zealous soldiers as well. Of course I don't "support" drunk drivers. I also don't support a police state that uses a relatively rare crime to harrass all citizens. You may be too proud of your job title.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 8:52 pm

RedSoxFan wrote: Well put David813, Thats how my Ex-Girlfriend used to be, she could only have 2 drinks tho, and then she would be done. So I know how you feel. Its just how your bady takes it. The people who are against us in this thread might not drink at all, so they might not quite inderstand.The people who are against you? The utter sophomoric-ness of that comment is giving you away. There is no "for" or "against", there is however, intelligence and stupidity. Whether or not someone drinks has about as much bearing as the wind chill index. I drank. I drank more than you could hope to consume in 3 lifetimes. I never bragged about it and I'm sure not proud of it now. You are a statistic waiting to happen. If you truly believe it's "how your body takes it" I suggest you take an alcohol certification class, like the ones bartenders are being asked to take. Flushes your "knowledge" of what alcohol does to a body right down the crapper. :-5

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 9:00 pm

David813 wrote: Wow! "Be careful who you align yourself with..." I'm not aligned to anyone! I just found this board! Again, the police do not intimidate me, regardless of the subject at hand. I respect your position but finally running into someone that doesn't necessarily worship police officers doesn't justify being aggressive. This is common behavior in over zealous soldiers as well. Of course I don't "support" drunk drivers. I also don't support a police state that uses a relatively rare crime to harrass all citizens. You may be too proud of your job title.No one is suggesting that you be intimidated, David. And the only cop-worshipping here is directed to Ladycop. We all love and fear her. :yh_bigsmi

RedSoxFan is MORE likely a bored teenager with nothing better to do with his evening than a "tough guy from Boston."

When we get a person here who is only interested in sh*t-stirring, as opposed to real contributions, we clean house pretty quick. Had there been anything by RSF that was polite, productive, or anything other than instigating, he might have been taken more seriously. Aggressive? Pshaw...this is tame!

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 9:05 pm

David813 wrote: Wow! "Be careful who you align yourself with..." I'm not aligned to anyone! I just found this board! Again, the police do not intimidate me, regardless of the subject at hand. I respect your position but finally running into someone that doesn't necessarily worship police officers doesn't justify being aggressive. This is common behavior in over zealous soldiers as well. Of course I don't "support" drunk drivers. I also don't support a police state that uses a relatively rare crime to harrass all citizens. You may be too proud of your job title. this is not a "rare" crime" it's about half what i do. and it is a crime per se. too proud of my job title? surely you jest. i AM assertive and aggressive . yes, that is my nature. i am also informed and credible.

RedSoxFan · Post by **RedSoxFan** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 9:21 pm

koan wrote: RedSox,

If you don't feel anything (which is why most people drink) then you certain are too drunk to drive. Or too much of an idiot, at the least.

I can drink one glass and be tipsy and another night drink ten or more and feel completely sober. It doesn't mean I can drive because I feel sober. Unless I'm an idiot I know how much I had to drink. It still affects you.

This is a load of crap and you know it. Why bother?

You couldnt be more wrong. I can tell when im impared or feeling the alcohol. When I say "I dont feel anything" that pertains to, the alcohol having no affect on me. Sorry that you are a light weight when it comes to drinking. And another point has been made. You can drink a little and feel it, I cant. It takes more than one little ol drink.

RedSoxFan · Post by **RedSoxFan** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 9:26 pm

BabyRider wrote: No one is suggesting that you be intimidated, David. And the only cop-worshipping here is directed to Ladycop. We all love and fear her. :yh_bigsmi

RedSoxFan is MORE likely a bored teenager with nothing better to do with his evening than a "tough guy from Boston."

When we get a person here who is only interested in sh*t-stirring, as opposed to real contributions, we clean house pretty quick. Had there been anything by RSF that was polite, productive, or anything other than instigating, he might have been taken more seriously. Aggressive? Pshaw...this is tame!

I dont fear cops. I dont know why people fear them? Im far from a teenager, sorry your view of me are misconstrued. Im not interested in sh*t-stirring either. Just giving my opinions. Sorry they are too harsh for you.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 9:27 pm

RedSoxFan wrote: You couldnt be more wrong. I can tell when im impared or feeling the alcohol. When I say "I dont feel anything" that pertains to, the alcohol having no affect on me. Sorry that you are a light weight when it comes to drinking. And another point has been made. You can drink a little and feel it, I cant. It takes more than one little ol drink.
Ah the battle cry of the alcoholic in denial...I'm pretty sure I said exactly those words, several times, myself.

Your sig line is interesting...What are you hiding behind?

Anyone who boasts this much about his drinking "ability" is either deluded, or a brand-spanking new 21 year-old.

koan · Post by **koan** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 9:42 pm

RedSoxFan wrote: You couldnt be more wrong. I can tell when im impared or feeling the alcohol. When I say "I dont feel anything" that pertains to, the alcohol having no affect on me. Sorry that you are a light weight when it comes to drinking. And another point has been made. You can drink a little and feel it, I cant. It takes more than one little ol drink.

Thanks for answering my query: You're an idiot. Reread my post. I am no lightweight. This is not the first error you have made in this forum.

David813 · Post by **David813** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 9:45 pm

I respect all viewpoints. From LadyCop to the Boston dude. If having a different point of view than LadyCop means "you better be careful," and "we clean house here." then we are all signing away our freedom of speech to an apparent authoritarian police officer! Are bored teens not admitted here? How 'bout bored 40somethings?! Alcohol is not for everyone. No one should drive after drinking more than a few drinks/beers. MADD is INSANE and should be called out. The police are ever expanding their power into our lives and this I oppose. If this is offensive to the cop watching over this site so be it. Surely there are other areas of her life that could be more interesting than her employment.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:17 pm

David813 wrote: I respect all viewpoints. From LadyCop to the Boston dude. If having a different point of view than LadyCop means "you better be careful," and "we clean house here." then we are all signing away our freedom of speech to an apparent authoritarian police officer! Are bored teens not admitted here? How 'bout bored 40somethings?! Alcohol is not for everyone. No one should drive after drinking more than a few drinks/beers. MADD is INSANE and should be called out. The police are ever expanding their power into our lives and this I oppose. If this is offensive to the cop watching over this site so be it. Surely there are other areas of her life that could be more interesting than her employment.The key word in the above quote is "respect". If you want to spend time in FG, you will be respectful. That means NOT jumping in, flaming 4 or 5 people and running away. That means contributing to discussions and debates with intelligence and politeness. Bored teen, bored 40-something, bored senior citizen, whatever. How would you like it if someone walked into your house, threw garbage on the floor and insulted your wife? Well, that's how we feel about people coming here and being rude.

There are plenty of people who disagree with Ladycop. I am one of them on some subjects. But you know what? I'm still nice about it. If people are looking to flame, insult, be rude and childish, and act like idiots, I've got the name of the forum they can go to. This just doesn't happen to be it.

koan · Post by **koan** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:35 pm

I think it is of note that more than one thread is involved in the developed dislike of RSF on behalf of a few of us. Just to clarify. If it was just this thread I would still think he was idiotic but would not be as ired.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:52 pm

koan wrote: I think it is of note that more than one thread is involved in the developed dislike of RSF on behalf of a few of us. Just to clarify. If it was just this thread I would still think he was idiotic but would not be as ired.
EXACTLY. It's like these trolls come here, pick a thread at random, insult the first poster they see, and run. Cowards.

I'm sorry if anyone else took offense to the "clean house" comment, but hey, we happen to LIKE a clean house! (At least I do...)

Post by **kensloft** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 11:13 pm

BabyRider wrote: EXACTLY. It's like these trolls come here, pick a thread at random, insult the first poster they see, and run. Cowards.

I'm sorry if anyone else took offense to the "clean house" comment, but hey, we happen to LIKE a clean house! (At least I do...)
Where is this dude? If I don't get him bandit will. The reason why people enjoy coming here is because they can say anything that they want and people will let them. When someone comes in and starts insulting people at random then they are going to get tromped in style.

We trawl for trolls.

Dixiespurgirl · Post by **Dixiespurgirl** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 4:59 am

Alcohol is a very touchy subject...mostly because it can impair the body while the mind is still somewhat functioning. You may not FEEL any effects, but I guarantee your reaction time is slowed GREATLY.

Bottom line is that it doesn't matter how many drinks you can "stomach". What matters is that there is a law in your area that shows the "limit" of what is physically being drunk. If you surpass that limit (even though you feel fine) you should and will go to jail.

The entire concept that people tend to forget when drinking and enjoying alcohol is that it impairs them on MANY levels. It would be my opinion that if you think you can justify your over-drinking to yourself and abandon the legalities of drinking what is considered by many to be "too much and an illegal amount due to breathalizer tests" then you may have a serious problem called alcoholism. While I will not deny someone the right to throw a few back (after all it is your life) the point where it becomes intoxicating and threatenes the lives of innocents is where I will agree with state laws and realize (even if the drinker does not) that there is a problem there that needs to be faced and overcome.

I submit this because I'm a mother of two kids. If either of my kids were killed by a drunk driver that claimed he could "hold his liquor" better than most and felt "no" different after drinking....well, I would probably end up going to jail myself. Some people need a good thumpin' in my honest opinion. The problem is that we live in a self-serving society today and no one thinks about anyone but themselves. Be careful how you live your life because whether you know it or not, you have the power to alter lives of people for years and years to come....all with one glass of your favorite pasttime.

Respectfully submitted of course. As I see it, my opinion would be as valid as anyone elses, so no need to jump me. It will not change my views.

Dixiespurgirl · Post by **Dixiespurgirl** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:06 am

ALSO.......

I do not like the fact that someone above thinks a police officer should take their job less seriously. I think that a job that entails the safety of their own being to protect perfect strangers takes ONE HECK of a person. They SHOULD have every right to be OBSESSED with their job because it is a very SPECIAL job that should be held very DEAR to us all. Often times, it is police intervention or aid that helps people get out of the worst mistakes in their lives. It is a police personnel risking his/her life to save the lives of innocent children, not so innocent adults, and sometimes very GUILTY parties. Do you know why? They have COMMITTED their lives to serving and protecting the lives of others.

There are exceptions to every rule, but I believe police officers should have their minds on their duty at all times....it is after all a way of life for them. Now we can fire them all if everyone would live an honest and good life, but that isn't going to happen.

I don't mind police intervention....now if you wanna talk about too much control over one's life, let's discuss portions of the constitution and bill of rights and gun control. That is sure to get my blood pumping :wah:

greydeadhead · Post by **greydeadhead** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:23 am

Ahhhhh... the fun I have missed on this thread. RSF... you might as well hang it up. The way the you are presenting your arguement comes across like a prepubescent teenager. No logical basis for you posts. It has been proven that one drink (1 12oz beer, a 1oz shot of liquor, or a 6oz glass of wine) can impair you reaction time. And please don't tell a longtime bartender that I am wrong. Perhaps you don't think that it impairs your ability to function... well you can think that right up until you have to life with severly injuring or killing someone because you could not feel the effects of the drinks you had. A favor though, just let me know when you are cruising 128 next time after your five cocktails so I can avoid ya.

Now David813... please stop with the whining about the infringement of your civil rights by members of the law enforcement community. You don't have a civil right to drive drunk. But of course if drunk driver wiped out a family member of yours you would be the first to start lawsuit and change the laws. No we are not a bunch of bored 40 something people. We are a group of people that can discuss intelligently any topic we chose. Young know it alls that hide behind thier interpretion of the Bill of Rights and Constitution and use that as a basis for flaming people.. well if that is the best you can do to base your arguement then you might as well just keep quiet. You crow about your freedom of speech.. yet you deride others the same priviledge.. wow.. can you say hypocrisy.

Oooookay.. rant over....