Unintelligibly illiterate BBC News article link text

[LarsMac]

The first full-sized digital scan of the Titanic, which lies 3,800m (12,500ft) down in the Atlantic, has been created using deep-sea mapping.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-65602182

That is such total gibberish that I have absolutely no idea how to interpret it into meaningful English. I hurd it announced on Radio 4 this morning and I was convinced my ears had betrayed me.

If anyone has a suggestion I would be grateful.

Basically thy sent a bunch of drones with "digital imaging cameras" down there, took a shitload of pictures, retrieved them, and "assembled the images" into a recognizable 3D facsimile of the area in a computer system used for Digital Graphic Imagery. similar technology to the equipment that was used to create the Avatar flicks.

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The first full-sized digital scan of the Titanic, which lies 3,800m (12,500ft) down in the Atlantic, has been created using deep-sea mapping.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-65602182

That is such total gibberish that I have absolutely no idea how to interpret it into meaningful English. I hurd it announced on Radio 4 this morning and I was convinced my ears had betrayed me.

If anyone has a suggestion I would be grateful.

Basically thy sent a bunch of drones with "digital imaging cameras" down there, took a shitload of pictures, retrieved them, and "assembled the images" into a recognizable 3D facsimile of the area in a computer system used for Digital Graphic Imagery. similar technology to the equipment that was used to create the Avatar flicks.

It's the "full-sized" I have trouble with. What's a full-sized digital scan? If they captured the location and nature of each surface atom I could possibly forgive them, but they can't have. At any other resolution, "full-sized" is outside of my understanding. I would even argue with "complete" if they'd used complete but they didn't even do that. What they have is a good scan, or a better scan, or the best current scan depending on your criteria, but it's neither full-sized nor even complete.

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Ukraine’s air force said it downed 52 out of the 54 Russia-launched drones, calling it a record attack with the Iranian-made “kamikaze” drones.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/ ... e-birthday

I wonder whether that attributed statement has any tinge of rhetoric about it.

What is an Iranian-made “kamikaze” drone?

I'm not sure I've ever seen any reference to, for example, a kamikaze cruise missile, or a kamikaze V1 or V2, or a kamikaze bunker-buster, or a kamikaze ICBM. So why an Iranian-made kamikaze drone? The essence of a drone is that it has nobody on board. That's the point of having the word drone in the first place. An on-board pilot is what turns any flying thing into an instance of a not-a-drone. Whereas the essence of "kamikaze" is that it's a death-ride for a pilot trained specifically to kill the enemy by committing suicide with an explosive plane strapped to his shoulders.

I think the Guardian should at least point out that the words they're quoting make no sense beyond adding visceral propaganda to the news item.

[LarsMac]

Well, there are drones that do more than just fly themselves into a target. The press seems to love digging up old terms and re-using them for some other purpose.

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Hogarth, an artist, critic and satirist, depicted two biblical stories in the works, the Pool of Bethesda and the Good Samaritan, in the 1730s. They feature 2.1-metre (7ft) high figures, some drawn from real life.

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesig ... s-hospital

I'm left wondering what function the word "real" performs. What alternative life is the writer comparing with?

At H 416 x W 618 cm, I'm tempted to ask whether anyone would like to paint me a faithful copy using modern materials. I rather like it.

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Before they were hunted to extinction, sea otters roamed the waters from Alaska to Baja California.

[...] A California otter is making headlines for her unique, and worrying, interactions with surfers.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... california

Somewhere in the Guardian's London office there is a totally illiterate copywriter who should be serving snacks to reporters instead of wrecking news articles online.

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Perhaps someone can explain the quote marks inside the following sentence:

The criminal exploits of a Sheffield gang involved with numerous shootings on the city's streets, targeting members of 'rival' groups, over the last three years have been laid bare.

https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/crime/cr ... ed-4241396

This is a local newspaper which, in my experience, means it should be better written than anything at the national level. The quote marks leave me baffled.

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Not the BBC, but this headline was on the AP news site today.

Black bear shot and killed by Montana man in his living room after break-in

So, a Montana man broke in to the Black Bear's living room and shot him?
Did I get that right?

https://apnews.com/article/bear-killed- ... bc07257c86

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Not the BBC, but this headline was on the AP news site today.

Black bear shot and killed by Montana man in his living room after break-in

So, a Montana man broke in to the Black Bear's living room and shot him?
Did I get that right?

https://apnews.com/article/bear-killed- ... bc07257c86

That is what is says

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I... go on, I'll just put the article link text up. "How safe is my data after a hack or leak?"

Now, I know what "safe" means, and I have a fairly informed opinion on what "hack" or "leak" means. And "data" - I know what data are.

That leaves just what the BBC means by "my" and "after".

Something in that article link text clearly has to be meaningless, because the entire text carries nothing to me at all.

Someone try, go on. Explain what "How safe is my data after a hack or leak?" means.

The article is at https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-66451970

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They have found more evidence that sub-atomic particles, called muons, are not behaving in the way predicted by the current theory of sub-atomic physics.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-66407099

I do wish people who write professionally would take the trouble to write what they mean. Sub-atomic particles are not called muons, Muons are a variety of sub-atomic particles.

Writing "more evidence that muons, a form of sub-atomic particle, are not behaving" would actually convey what was intended.

The worst and laziest excuse in the world when it comes to accurate expression is "they know what I mean".

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Quarter of music industry workers have had no work in EU since Brexit

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... nce-brexit

What cobblers. A quarter of *British* music industry workers have had no work in EU since Brexit. There's clearly at least one comatose copy-editor who should be redeployed as a telephone sanitizer.

As for "A quarter of British music industry workers have had no work in EU since Brexit", it would help if the article said what proportion of British music industry workers had any work at all in EU before Brexit. If I had to guess I'd say it was over half, but what do I know.

Those adversely affected should have made a bigger fuss before the referendum. The adversity is a consequence of supine indifference beforehand. If you want a sensible country, get involved and make it happen.

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Oh dear oh dear...

‘We can do one big celebration’: Ohio couple shares birthday with new twins

Scierra Blair and her fiance, Jose Ervin Jr, were born a year apart on 18 August, and newborn twins were born on their joint birthday

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... born-twins

And the chances of that?

One in 133,440 American families with twins are in the same boat.

I'm not sure it's entirely newsworthy. They even have their photo in the paper.

In a statement to the Guardian, Dr Jeniffer Eaton – the chairperson of Cleveland Clinic Hillcrest’s obstetrics and gynecology department – confirmed, “It’s extremely rare for both parents and their newborn twins to all share the same birthday.”

On the contrary, this exact event happens three times a week in the USA.

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Why Scotland is lagging far behind England on solar power developments

https://www.scotsman.com/news/environme ... ts-4269606

Umm...

I'm not sure I can bring myself to comment.

[LarsMac]

Oh dear oh dear...

‘We can do one big celebration’: Ohio couple shares birthday with new twins

Scierra Blair and her fiance, Jose Ervin Jr, were born a year apart on 18 August, and newborn twins were born on their joint birthday

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... born-twins

And the chances of that?

One in 133,440 American families with twins are in the same boat.

I'm not sure it's entirely newsworthy. They even have their photo in the paper.

In a statement to the Guardian, Dr Jeniffer Eaton – the chairperson of Cleveland Clinic Hillcrest’s obstetrics and gynecology department – confirmed, “It’s extremely rare for both parents and their newborn twins to all share the same birthday.”

On the contrary, this exact event happens three times a week in the USA.

On a similar vein, How often do twins have different birthdays?

My nephew's twins were born not only in different days, but different months (Same, year, in case you were wondering).

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On a similar vein, How often do twins have different birthdays?

My nephew's twins were born not only in different days, but different months (Same, year, in case you were wondering).

That is tricky. There are two things going on. One is the overlap from one month to another during a normal twin delivery, the other is "delayed-interval delivery" with weeks or even longer than a month between deliveries, both of which have shockingly high mortality rates (one in three live first children, two in three live second children, which is only one in five such complications resulting in twins).

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/multiple.htm is the CDC figures, to show what numbers are significant. I'd bet there are fewer than 100 delayed-interval delivery events in the US in a year but I've no idea how to confirm that. However, with 114,161 twin births a year I think these are the main source of different birthdays for twins.

The average gap between two live births with twins is perhaps 10 minutes. Going a long time beyond that is unsafe for the second child, surgeons intervene with scalpels to avoid long delays, it all gets unpleasant, but 5 to 15 minutes is not unusual.

So, how many 10 minute units overlap the end of a day. A day has 144 ten-minute units, one of which results in different birthdays. That's 114,161 / 2 / 144 events = 396 pairs of children with different birthdays each year, roughly one a day. 13 pairs of children with birthdays in different months, roughly one event per month across the US. I doubt those figures would change much if delayed-interval delivery events with two live births were added.

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In nephews' case, one (Daughter) was born at 11:44 PM February 28, the other (Son) at 12:08 AM March 1.

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In nephews' case, one (Daughter) was born at 11:44 PM February 28, the other (Son) at 12:08 AM March 1.

There you are then. Four times less likely than both parents and their newborn twins to all share the same birthday.

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I have no idea what these words are meant to indicate.

One in five children regularly miss school, figures show

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66701748

The inside article fares no better. The only other clue is a completely unrelated statement, "More than one in five children in England are frequently missing school, data shows".

I pose a scenario: a child misses the first school day of November every year throughout their academic life, and no other. That is the epitome of regular but it most definitely isn't frequent.

Or, for the fun of it, the child throws a die every school day and doesn't attend if the roll is a 1. That is definitively frequent but it is completely irregular.

It would be the simplest thing in the world for the article to actually say what the problem is, or where the problem's boundaries lie. Why on earth are they incapable?

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Norwich City: Delia Smith set to lose majority shareholding in club as Mark Attanasio increases stake

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66707902

Delia and her husband currently have a 40% stake between them and the Milwaukee Brewer is increasing his stake to 40%.

Where do the BBC get the claim that Delia has, now or ever, held a majority shareholding from? She and her husband between them might well have been the largest joint shareholders but they did not hold a majority of the shares and could have been outvoted at any meeting.

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Britain’s climate ambitions have suffered a blow after no new offshore windfarms were secured in the government’s latest clean energy auction despite there being the potential for 5 gigawatts of projects – enough to power 8m homes a year.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... nd-auction

When will these people ever learn? What sort of example are they setting today's schoolchildren?

Just as well no schoolchildren follow BBC News any longer.

The world's not what it was in my day.

When I was a lad, that number of projects would have powered 8m homes every week. Mind you, we only owned a radio and a lightbulb and a flatiron back then, they could probably have powered every house in the country. The average house nowadays uses an average load of 600 watts. I think I get by on 300 because I'm a well brought up parsimonious sod and I turn off the light when I leave a room and I never over-fill the kettle.

It occurs to me that a really big wind farm would only have been half a project anyway. The entire sentence should have been strangled at birth. And was "climate ambitions have suffered a blow" meant to be a wind farm joke?

If anyone at BBC News is capable of verifying "enough to power 8m homes for forty years", it would qualify as news. I'm not sure anyone has come clean over that yet, whether a North Sea wind farm can provide electricity beyond forty years. The 8 gigawatt tranche could then be described as offering 1.7 petawatt hours of energy, which an extremely small Dyson swarm could supply in just a few microseconds. Perhaps wind farms are an obsolete technology. The UK could have its own extremely small Dyson swarm up and running by 2060 if it got its governmental finger out and just built one.

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A TfL spokesperson added: [...] "The rest of the advertising campaign for Workspace was deemed compliant and four different creatives will be running on our network."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66778007

What in high heaven is "four different creatives will be running on our network" meant to mean? What PR jargon is Transport for London spouting? And why is the BBC News website giving it house room?

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Walker is the chairwoman of the Northern Chumash Tribal Council, a small group of Indigenous Americans who once lived along the coast of San Luis Obispo county. Records of their occupation of the central coast date back to 18,000 years.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... california

Date back to 18,000 years BCE? or date back 18,000 years?

But that's not the point really. The point is "Records". As in "Records of their occupation of the central coast". I'm lost for words. What qualifies as a record in this scenario, or what qualifies as "their" if it comes to that. I have trouble enough deciding who founded Ur 6,000 years ago, and you have !!Records!! dating back three times farther?

I think your reporter got carried away. Perhaps "Evidence for occupation of the central coast dates back 18,000 years" would entail less instant disbelief.

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crystal jellyfish who can grow up to a foot wide, have 150 tentacles and are usually found some 2,000 miles away in the Mediterranean. But, do not worry, their sting is not too painful.

Swimmers in Devon and Cornwall have been left stunned by the arrival of thousands of them this week.

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornw ... ve-8797239

Well that sounds pretty painful to me then.

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"Wes Streeting says Labour will come down on vaping industry ‘like tonne of bricks’ over sales to children – live"

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/li ... itics-live

No, that's not what he said at all. "Like a ton of bricks" is metaphorical, it's not a weight. 1,000 kilograms is a tonne. A ton of bricks is a lot of bricks. It does not invite you to get your scales out and check, it invites you to imagine that Wes Streeting said the vaping industry will be left in no doubt they're in trouble.

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Good lord, it's unstoppable.

He was known as the titular hero of 1970s TV detective series Baretta and starred in the 1997 film Lost Highway, but his career struggled following his wife's 2001 fatal shooting.

This following example is so strange it's utterly meaningless:

Mehrjui, who studied in the US as a young man and later lived in France for five years, first rose to national and international prominence with his 1969 film The Cow, which tells the story about a villager's obsession with the titular animal.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67118052

"The titular animal"? The animal that was not actually a cow but was given the honorific status of cow?

I wouldn't even want to use "the eponymous cow" but that's better than this abuse of titular.

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And the Yorkshire Post reports that train operator Northern has started to broadcast predatory hawk calls through speakers to deter defecating pigeons from Driffield Station in East Yorkshire. The paper says it's hoped the noises will give commuters some respite from pigeons who regularly carpet bomb the platforms with faeces.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-67108304

Faeces? Faeces???

Droppings! Or, in commercial quantities, guano.

Birds are not constructed like mammals who produce faeces, the material under discussion is not primarily the product of the bird's intestinal tract, it is mostly dehydrated urine, the word faeces is as inappropriate as spit or sweat.

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Curry ‘getting support’ after receiving threats following racial slur allegation

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/ ... -world-cup

Tim Curry? Declan Curry? Jedidiah Curry?

Why on earth do news sub-editors think a single surname is adequate in a news report? I started out thinking it was Edwina Currie until I remembered she was different. You might as well call him Jeff, it's just as ambiguous.

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I'm quite puzzled by the label against the following photo at https://www.theguardian.com/culture/202 ... -off-stage


The Globe theatre in the days of Shakespeare. Photograph: Bettmann Archive

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I'm quite puzzled by the label against the following photo at https://www.theguardian.com/culture/202 ... -off-stage


The Globe theatre in the days of Shakespeare. Photograph: Bettmann Archive




globe.jpg

You don't think it is actually The Globe?
Or you don't think it is a photo? Is it a drawing ? Maybe the word 'image' would be better?

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England's only tea grower has a record 600 species of flower in bloom

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornw ... rd-9018879

What?

How a "Senior Content Editor" can write that I have no idea.

https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn: ... es:39017-1

"Includes 230 Accepted Species"

In the quote, replace the words "species of flower" with "number of flowers". Seriously. That was the "news".

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Brunei's Prince's royal wedding reaches climax
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world

[Bryn Mawr]

Brunei's Prince's royal wedding reaches climax
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world

In public too!

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The BBC news website's sub-editors might as well have jumped off a cliff for all the good they're doing.

"There was almost no level of security that could keep Raymond Gurême captive for long"? So there was a level of security that could keep Raymond Gurême captive permanently? And the BBC has evidence of this? The weaselly "almost" entirely destroys the intended meaning.

"Cold lava sweeps villages near volcano, killing 37"? MUDSLIDE, for goodness' sake. There's a word in English which precisely defines what happened and you have to invent the appalling "cold lava"? Had it been cold lava it wouldn't have moved, the bit making it mobile was a titanic deluge of floodwater. The combination is called a mudslide!

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I put it to the panel that in

At the heart of the quantum compass – which could be ready for widespread use in a few years – is a device known as an accelerometer that can measure how an object’s velocity changes over time.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/art ... -locations

the phrase "a device known as" is entirely redundant, meaningless, carrying no information whatever. Clearly from the context the accelerometer is a device, and by naming it the writer has declared what it is known as. Someone (Robin McKie, science and environment editor for the Observer) is being paid by the column inch.

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US model Bella Hadid at the 77th edition of the Cannes Film Festival in Cannes, southern France, on 23 May 2024. Photograph: Loïc Venance/AFP/Getty Images

https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/art ... mpics-1972

"the 77th edition of the Cannes Film Festival"?

Edition?

Not "the 77th Cannes Film Festival"?

What an odd convoluted way to express such a simple fact.

[Bryn Mawr]

US model Bella Hadid at the 77th edition of the Cannes Film Festival in Cannes, southern France, on 23 May 2024. Photograph: Loïc Venance/AFP/Getty Images

https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/art ... mpics-1972

"the 77th edition of the Cannes Film Festival"?

Edition?

Not "the 77th Cannes Film Festival"?

What an odd convoluted way to express such a simple fact.

Borrowing from the naming convention of the Tour De France, they are French after all

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US model Bella Hadid at the 77th edition of the Cannes Film Festival in Cannes, southern France, on 23 May 2024. Photograph: Loïc Venance/AFP/Getty Images

https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/art ... mpics-1972

"the 77th edition of the Cannes Film Festival"?

Edition?

Not "the 77th Cannes Film Festival"?

What an odd convoluted way to express such a simple fact.

Borrowing from the naming convention of the Tour De France, they are French after all

But, Monsieur, they are writing in ENGLISH.

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The tree in Northumberland was famous as a wonderful, photographable sight

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/art ... oots-stump

Eww, BBC. No, please don't.

(And yes, "eww" is valid: OED colloquial (originally North American). 1967– Used as an emphatic expression, chiefly of disgust, but also (formerly) of surprise or approval.

NOT photographable, please. Show me anything in the physical universe which exceeds a cubic micrometer but is not "photographable" and I'll applaud (emphasis on "show")

"photographable" is not the word you appear to believe it to be:

Able to be photographed; (also) deserving to be photographed.

1896

When Thought is photographable!

Westminster Gazette 18 July 2/3

1897

It would not have been photographable.

O. North in Strand Magazine vol. 14 513
1939

Moll, Burger and Reichert..have devised a ‘spectroscopic absorptiometer’ which can be used at any part of the photographable spectrum.

Thorpe's Dictionary Applied Chemistry (ed. 4) vol. III. 305/2
1962

Some artists..have created..nothing remotely photographable.

C. Walsh, From Utopia to Nightmare i. 20
1994

The Vietnamese war..has been overstressed, because it and the demonstrations against it were photographable, while individual inwardness was not.

C. Paglia, Vamps & Tramps 210

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What you intend, I suspect, is photogenic.

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The Russian Coms platform allowed fraudsters to pretend to be callers from a bank or telecoms firm in order to steal money or personal details, the NCA said.

The body said that between 2021 and 2024, over 1.3 million calls were made by Russian Coms users to 500,000 unique UK phone numbers.

About 170,000 people in the UK are believed to be victims, with the average reported loss more than £9,400.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cervr4km4jdo

I shall go out on a limb here and say nonsense, I do not believe that for a moment.

One in three of the people they rang ended up losing an average of £9,400?

No. And I'll now go hunting online.

Russian Coms, established in 2021, is thought to be behind financial losses in the tens of millions. An estimated 170,000 people across the UK are believed to be victims.

Of those who reported to Action Fraud, the average loss is over £9,400.

https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/ ... scam-calls

Somewhat more reasonable, that from the National Crime Agency.

If the BBC can't read they should shut up shop.

What they did was to put the number of victims, and then the "average reported loss" with no indication that they're at that point referring to around 3,000 of the victims instead of all 170,000.

That's just deliberate misinformation, the way it's reported.

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Watch supplies get delivered to astronauts stranded in space

https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/c9v8gpddnmxo

Does the ISS not have a clock??

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Not merely illiterate news website editors then - innumerate too.

For people like Mr Sa’adu, any type of housing in Lagos is unaffordable - renting a shack in an informal settlement costs around 100,000 naira ($48; £62) a year, while in a working-class area, a small apartment costs around 350,000 naira ($220; £170) annually.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2elw7n31do

Go on, get out a calculator and check for consistency.

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Good catch, spot! It's not just illiterate editors, but also innumerate ones. I mean, who doesn't double-check their math before publishing an article? Thanks for pointing out the inconsistency.

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Good catch, spot! It's not just illiterate editors, but also innumerate ones. I mean, who doesn't double-check their math before publishing an article? Thanks for pointing out the inconsistency.

74%
Probability AI generated

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'Stolen' war medals found during litter pick

[...] Co-founder El Clarke said the items were handed to police after discovering they matched those that went missing after a burglary in 2019.


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd730j7j43vo

What on earth are the quote marks around 'Stolen' intended to mean in the article link and header?

What does "went missing after a burglary" mean, come to that? It claims that after a burglary, the items were removed. It could be intended to mean they were removed during a burglary, or they were discovered to be missing after a burglary, but "those that went missing after a burglary" is incredible. A burglary isn't a moment of break-in, it's a period of burglary from start to finish. "went missing after a break-in" could be fair, or "went missing during a burglary", but not what's written.

That they were stolen is not contingent on a court verdict. It's a reasonable inference given the stated facts.

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The Antarctic region underwent an abrupt transformation in 2023 as the sea ice cover surrounding the continent crashed for six months straight.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... ar-running

Perhaps I misunderstand something - sea ice cover crashes for six months straight every year, it's called "seasonal" for a reason.

https://nsidc.org/sea-ice-today/sea-ice ... -ice-graph if anyone wants the graph they're discussing.

[Bryn Mawr]

The Antarctic region underwent an abrupt transformation in 2023 as the sea ice cover surrounding the continent crashed for six months straight.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... ar-running

Perhaps I misunderstand something - sea ice cover crashes for six months straight every year, it's called "seasonal" for a reason.

https://nsidc.org/sea-ice-today/sea-ice ... -ice-graph if anyone wants the graph they're discussing.

A question of degree, the sea ice extent declines for six months straight every year but this year it crashed - hyperbole maybe as its still higher than 2012 but understandable.

BTW, I seem to recall in 2012 you predicted zero by 2020

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The Antarctic region underwent an abrupt transformation in 2023 as the sea ice cover surrounding the continent crashed for six months straight.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... ar-running

Perhaps I misunderstand something - sea ice cover crashes for six months straight every year, it's called "seasonal" for a reason.

https://nsidc.org/sea-ice-today/sea-ice ... -ice-graph if anyone wants the graph they're discussing.

A question of degree, the sea ice extent declines for six months straight every year but this year it crashed - hyperbole maybe as its still higher than 2012 but understandable.

BTW, I seem to recall in 2012 you predicted zero by 2020

You're using the Arctic map, not the Antarctic map. Click the tab.

"Crash" ignores the fact the gradient is as near as you can get to parallel for all years, the annual peak differences only show up when the monthly accumulations take effect.

And I suspect you're wrong about "predict", I suspect I said it was a worst case.

[Bryn Mawr]

The Antarctic region underwent an abrupt transformation in 2023 as the sea ice cover surrounding the continent crashed for six months straight.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... ar-running

Perhaps I misunderstand something - sea ice cover crashes for six months straight every year, it's called "seasonal" for a reason.

https://nsidc.org/sea-ice-today/sea-ice ... -ice-graph if anyone wants the graph they're discussing.

A question of degree, the sea ice extent declines for six months straight every year but this year it crashed - hyperbole maybe as its still higher than 2012 but understandable.

BTW, I seem to recall in 2012 you predicted zero by 2020

You're using the Arctic map, not the Antarctic map. Click the tab.

"Crash" ignores the fact the gradient is as near as you can get to parallel for all years, the annual peak differences only show up when the monthly accumulations take effect.

And I suspect you're wrong about "predict", I suspect I said it was a worst case.

Odd, I did use the link you,supplied.

I think you are being fooled by the scale of the graph, to me, in the past two years the slope has been significantly less steep as witnessed by the large difference in the peak of the wave - the monthly accumulations are, after all, only the result of the decrease in slope.

And I seem to recall that you phrased it as "who'll take a bet"
:-p

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Staff at a rock n roll themed cafe were left shaking all over yesterday (September 10) after Spiderman Tom Hollander and film star girlfriend Zendaya popped in for a sausage sandwich and pancakes.

https://www.falmouthpacket.co.uk/news/2 ... ya-popped/

I don't believe I've criticized the Falmouth Packet before.

Tom Hollander (57) would create a magnificent Spiderman but he has not, to date, been invited to. I'm not convinced he could keep up with "film star girlfriend Zendaya" (28 and named one of the 100 most influential people in the world in 2022) either.