Do you really want to live in a police state where you have to follow every instruction you’re given?
A dystopia if ever there was.
Not at all.
I don't see it in favor of looting burning and killing.
What I see is the excuse I see every time the police shoot yet another black man - if he’d followed their instructions they wouldn’t have had to shoot him.tude dog wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:52 pmI don't see it in favor of looting burning and killing.
What I see is a suggestion that common civility goes a long way. Yes, even with respect to the police.
I could halve deaths from police engagement with a simple rule. In every encounter, any police officer using a firearm before anyone else has fired a weapon, or with no bodycam evidence of who fired first, must be immediately and unconditionally dismissed with no pension rights. Without the escalation to weapon firing, the police should always hold sway with their less lethal tasers.Bryn Mawr wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:55 amWhat I see is the excuse I see every time the police shoot yet another black man - if he’d followed their instructions they wouldn’t have had to shoot him.
EVERY TIME?Bryn Mawr wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:55 amWhat I see is the excuse I see every time the police shoot yet another black man - if he’d followed their instructions they wouldn’t have had to shoot him.tude dog wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:52 pmI don't see it in favor of looting burning and killing.
What I see is a suggestion that common civility goes a long way. Yes, even with respect to the police.
2020 was one of the deadliest years for law enforcement officers on recordspot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:53 amI could halve deaths from police engagement with a simple rule. In every encounter, any police officer using a firearm before anyone else has fired a weapon, or with no bodycam evidence of who fired first, must be immediately and unconditionally dismissed with no pension rights. Without the escalation to weapon firing, the police should always hold sway with their less lethal tasers.Bryn Mawr wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:55 amWhat I see is the excuse I see every time the police shoot yet another black man - if he’d followed their instructions they wouldn’t have had to shoot him.
I occasionally wonder whether you reed the articles you link to.tude dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 12:44 pm2020 was one of the deadliest years for law enforcement officers on recordspot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:53 amI could halve deaths from police engagement with a simple rule. In every encounter, any police officer using a firearm before anyone else has fired a weapon, or with no bodycam evidence of who fired first, must be immediately and unconditionally dismissed with no pension rights. Without the escalation to weapon firing, the police should always hold sway with their less lethal tasers.Bryn Mawr wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:55 amWhat I see is the excuse I see every time the police shoot yet another black man - if he’d followed their instructions they wouldn’t have had to shoot him.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/12/us/2020- ... index.html
I can offer up a list of people who were simply minding their own business and were accosted by police officers for no explicable reason, and then had there lives taken by those officers. It really is not as simple as "doing what they're told."Bryn Mawr wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:55 amWhat I see is the excuse I see every time the police shoot yet another black man - if he’d followed their instructions they wouldn’t have had to shoot him.tude dog wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:52 pmI don't see it in favor of looting burning and killing.
What I see is a suggestion that common civility goes a long way. Yes, even with respect to the police.
Yours has been clear for a long time, I might generalise but it’s not far off.tude dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 12:38 pmEVERY TIME?Bryn Mawr wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:55 amWhat I see is the excuse I see every time the police shoot yet another black man - if he’d followed their instructions they wouldn’t have had to shoot him.
OK, your prejudice id clear.
The other example is the child who did exactly what he was told to and was still shot in the chest and killed, nothing is as simple as these discussions make them - I react and I tend to generalise rather than go into detail for which I apologise.LarsMac wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 1:57 pmI can offer up a list of people who were simply minding their own business and were accosted by police officers for no explicable reason, and then had there lives taken by those officers. It really is not as simple as "doing what they're told."Bryn Mawr wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:55 amWhat I see is the excuse I see every time the police shoot yet another black man - if he’d followed their instructions they wouldn’t have had to shoot him.
It's your story.
Another picture might help at this juncture:
This is an economic chart of the period we're talking about. If you find 1934 at the bottom, and line it up with the graph you can see exactly where the nation was, in the recovery process, at the time this cartoon was published.
You might also want to note:So it turns out that there was a new Democratic president at the time, and that the country was in the beginning of a recovery after a devastating depression under the former Republican president.
- where the turn-around occurred,
- the fact that Hoover was a Republican, and
- the fact that Roosevelt was a Democrat.
In spite of this, those who didn't like the Democrats were running around screaming about elite, over-educated socialists with foreign connections who were spending too much.
And they're still doing the same thing today.
Will they ever learn?
https://dailymull.com/1468/A-Picture-is-Worth
spot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:29 am
I'm quite taken with this one for several reasons.
It's written in the early days of FDR's recovery plan and clearly failed to predict the consequence, it got history completely wrong. The problem wasn't the recovery plan, it was the depression triggered on Wall Street. The recovery worked, there was no dictatorship, the constitution was not junked and the government was not busted.
I tried to work out who drew the cartoon back in 1934 but I've failed so far. I'm interested to know.
There's dozens of witless websites reproducing it and as usual they get the chap in the picture wrong. No, it's not Karl Marx despite that being the earliest filename of this jpg. It's Trotsky.
And as for "It worked in Russia!" - what on earth is that meant to reference? A pre-revolutionary event? Something from the twenties? The State Commission for Electrification of Russia? I can't think of a single historical moment that the words could be citing, not one. Someone tell me.
Here's a step-by-step analysis of the cartoon, it would be worthwhile reeding it in full if only to see the original cartoon from which the trimmed corner has been reproduced by tude. The analysis ends with these words:
Another picture might help at this juncture:
This is an economic chart of the period we're talking about. If you find 1934 at the bottom, and line it up with the graph you can see exactly where the nation was, in the recovery process, at the time this cartoon was published.
You might also want to note:So it turns out that there was a new Democratic president at the time, and that the country was in the beginning of a recovery after a devastating depression under the former Republican president.
- where the turn-around occurred,
- the fact that Hoover was a Republican, and
- the fact that Roosevelt was a Democrat.
In spite of this, those who didn't like the Democrats were running around screaming about elite, over-educated socialists with foreign connections who were spending too much.
And they're still doing the same thing today.
Will they ever learn?
https://dailymull.com/1468/A-Picture-is-Worth