New Leach in the Swamp

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:29 pm

This guy Trump cracks me up.

That guy talks of "draining the swamp" but it seems the swamp has a nice allure. That guy who criticized Boeing for the cost of a new 747 presidential ride doesn't mind spending millions of taxpayer dollars to leave the White House to spend his weekends. And making money at the same time.

Looks like the swamp has a new swarmy resident.

Trump familyâ€™s elaborate lifestyle is a â€˜logistical nightmareâ€™ â€” at taxpayer expense

On Friday, President Trump and his entourage will jet for the third straight weekend to a working getaway at his oceanfront Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Fla.

On Saturday, Trumpâ€™s sons Eric and Don Jr., with their Secret Service details in tow, will be nearly 8,000 miles away in the United Arab Emirates, attending the grand opening of a Trump-brand golf resort in the â€œBeverly Hills of Dubai.â€

Meanwhile, New York police will keep watch outside Trump Tower in Manhattan, the chosen home of first lady Melania Trump and son Barron. And the tiny township of Bedminster, N.J., is preparing for the daunting prospect that the local Trump golf course will serve as a sort of northern White House for as many as 10 weekends a year

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â€œThe unique thing about President Trump is that he knows what it costs to run a plane,â€ Fitton added, noting that Trump should consider using the presidential retreat of Camp David, a short helicopter ride from the White House, or even his golf course in Northern Virginia. Of Mar-a-Lago, Fitton said, â€œGoing down there ainâ€™t free.â€

For Trump, the costs come with an additional perk: Some of the money flows into his own pocket. While Trump has removed himself from managing his company, he has refused to divest his ownership, meaning that he benefits from corporate successes such as government contracts.

WASHINGTON POST

This article just goes on and on. To post the highlighs would violate the rules of fair use.

I remember enjoying Obama's trips and golf.

If you hate the dude, Trump, your will love it. For the regular folk who voted for him should consider what we got.

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:51 pm

Lets not forget Trump properties that diplomats and other foreign dignitaries are being coerced into using, making Trump even more money. This whole gig has put some serious bank in his high pockets.

Post by **LarsMac** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:22 pm

But, but,..., He's donating his Salary.!!!?!?!

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:53 pm

LarsMac;1506776 wrote: But, but,..., He's donating his Salary.!!!?!?!

Small potatoes.

This month, The Post reported that Secret Service and U.S. Embassy staffers paid nearly $100,000 in hotel-room bills to support Eric Trumpâ€™s trip to promote a Trump-brand condo tower in Uruguay.

â€œThis is an expensive way to conduct business, and the president should recognize that,â€ said Tom Fitton, president of the conservative group Judicial Watch, which closely tracked President Barack Obamaâ€™s family vacation costs and said that it intends to continue the effort for the Trump administration.

For Trump, the costs come with an additional perk: Some of the money flows into his own pocket. While Trump has removed himself from managing his company, he has refused to divest his ownership, meaning that he benefits from corporate successes such as government contracts.

The Defense Department and Secret Service, for instance, have sought to rent space in Trump Tower, where leasing a floor can cost $1.5 million a year â€” though neither agency has disclosed any details. In addition, Trumpâ€™s travel to his signature properties while trailed by a press corps beaming images to the world allows the official business of the presidency to double as marketing opportunities for his brand.

All that and more.

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:04 pm

I thought you were a Trump fan.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:07 pm

SURPRISE! He's not & never has been.

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:09 pm

Are there any here?

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:10 pm

Guppers, but she left, her job was done.

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:12 pm

Guppy? She must have found another online hookup. Yes, that was catty. But probably accurate.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:18 pm

I don't know the lady well. She just popped in & out for a wee bit. Long enough to proudly proclaim her trumpness.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:43 pm

Snooz;1506787 wrote: Guppy? She must have found another online hookup. Yes, that was catty. But probably accurate.

Miaow !!

G#Gill · Post by **G#Gill** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 4:28 pm

You know, I'm not really surprised that Trump made it to the White House, with all the back-biting and slanderous statements pouring from his ugly mean mouth, and no doubt his minions searching out dirt about his opponent. Also how gullible many American citizens are, to be taken in by all the hype that is always present at the work-up to presidential elections. Although this time, the American citizens didn't get much of a choice did they ? Trump or Hilary Clinton !!!! Couldn't you Americans have found any better candidates ? :-5

The UK lot are not very different, I have to say. We public are conned into believing all the lies fed to us by politicians, although I have to also say that this is not anything like 100% of the electorate. :rolleyes:

Wandrin · Post by **Wandrin** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 4:54 pm

Running for the presidency may turn out to be the most successful business deal he has ever made.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:09 pm

Snooz;1506780 wrote: I thought you were a Trump fan.

No, not at all.

No matter how much I despised Clinton I could not bring myself to vote for the Trump.

Right now the whole government seems to be in a meltdown, not like I know to have happened since 1860.

Because I love my country I hope whoever is elected to do well for us.

Post by **LarsMac** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:52 pm

Snooz;1506784 wrote: Are there any here?

Well, he was entertaining for a few hours, but then it became kinda like the guy that drinks too much at the company Christmas Party.

Everybody just wishes he would go away, or pass out.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 11:22 pm

All this about the cost of the holiday is, of course, Fake News. The reality is, as Sean Spicer has stated, Trump will NEVER take a vacation. The word 'Vacation' will not even exist.

New Press Secretary Sean Spicer: Trump 'Will Never Take a Vacation' | Fox News Insider

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 3:36 am

Ads far as I can see, Trump voters and brexit voters apart from nationality, are the same people. Both groups were led to believe a jump off a cliff with an unknown landing was a better option than normal politics. Both have the support of the far right media, far right politicians, racists and Russia, though Russia seems less sure of Trump now. Both were unashamed populist movements that cared nothing whatever for the truth - both Trump and Farage said it would be great with no detail beyond that and people believed them, because the right wing media (Sun, Mail, Express the main ones over here, Fox and breitbart over there) repeated their lies over and over and over until for many they are facts.

edit: To Trump and brexit voters I'd add the far right separatist movements in France, Germany and Holland - all part of the same separatist, nationalist far right movement.

Over here I'm seeing food prices (not just the weather affected products like lettuce etc) climbing - if the price on the package hasn't changed, the amount has often dropped. In both cases about 25% at a rough estimate.

I am also seeing a tendency for brexit voters (not all, I have to guess) blaming the BBC, the EU and Remain voters for anything they don't like about brexit. The BBC is accused of fake news and left wing bias, the EU is accused of being nasty and picking on us for saying a deal must be worse than full membership and Remain voters are accused of causing brexit to fail by not supporting it. We haven't even started the negotiations before we actually brexit, yet!

I hope, of course that I am wrong and brexit will be a little hop onto a rainbow and then a gentle slide to the crock of gold at its end as so many brexiters believe it will, once the evil vampiric EU is left and preferably destroyed.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 5:56 am

Clodhopper;1506840 wrote: Ads far as I can see, Trump voters and brexit voters apart from nationality, are the same people. Both groups were led to believe a jump off a cliff with an unknown landing was a better option than normal politics. Both have the support of the far right media, far right politicians, racists and Russia, though Russia seems less sure of Trump now. Both were unashamed populist movements that cared nothing whatever for the truth - both Trump and Farage said it would be great with no detail beyond that and people believed them, because the right wing media (Sun, Mail, Express the main ones over here, Fox and breitbart over there) repeated their lies over and over and over until for many they are facts.

I hope, of course that I am wrong and brexit will be a little hop onto a rainbow and then a gentle slide to the crock of gold at its end as so many brexiters believe it will, once the evil vampiric EU is left and preferably destroyed.

I agree with most of the above...................but....

There has to be a reason for the rise of populist politicians of this frightening flavour throughout Europe and the USA.

And that is that the elitist powers that be in their ivory towers are insulated from the unease on housing estates, the queues in doctor waiting rooms.

The rate of change is the enemy, while shopping in the super market with my foreigner wife, we listen for how many different languages we can recognise.

Most people don't like change, they like the foreigners that they know, their kids play with Africans and Muslim kids, so they are not racist.

My own smallish town has now several Gurkha shops and restaurants plus Polish shops,.........and multi lingual queues to see the doctor.

It may or may not be connected........at the same time those in power tell us everything is OK.............and the opposition are ineffective.

The only people talking the same language are the 'populists'.....so who can you vote for ?

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 6:52 am

I think the rate of change is a big deal and not appreciated and I think our politicians have been poor. However I'm beginning to think there's a bigger thing at play here - the speed of technological advance and our failure to produce sufficiently advanced multinational organisations to deal with global problems - including the speed of technological advance. The UN can't, the EU is in trouble and climate change isn't stopping. At the same time rumours, outright lies, propaganda and occasional truths swirl around the internet and it's increasingly hard to tell which is which.

We need more socialism, imo, but it's going to be hard to push it against the uncontrolled agendas of the multinational corporations.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 7:43 am

Clodhopper;1506840 wrote: Ads far as I can see, Trump voters and brexit voters apart from nationality, are the same people. Both groups were led to believe a jump off a cliff with an unknown landing was a better option than normal politics. Both have the support of the far right media, far right politicians, racists and Russia, though Russia seems less sure of Trump now. Both were unashamed populist movements that cared nothing whatever for the truth - both Trump and Farage said it would be great with no detail beyond that and people believed them, because the right wing media (Sun, Mail, Express the main ones over here, Fox and breitbart over there) repeated their lies over and over and over until for many they are facts.

edit: To Trump and brexit voters I'd add the far right separatist movements in France, Germany and Holland - all part of the same separatist, nationalist far right movement.

Over here I'm seeing food prices (not just the weather affected products like lettuce etc) climbing - if the price on the package hasn't changed, the amount has often dropped. In both cases about 25% at a rough estimate.

I am also seeing a tendency for brexit voters (not all, I have to guess) blaming the BBC, the EU and Remain voters for anything they don't like about brexit. The BBC is accused of fake news and left wing bias, the EU is accused of being nasty and picking on us for saying a deal must be worse than full membership and Remain voters are accused of causing brexit to fail by not supporting it. We haven't even started the negotiations before we actually brexit, yet!

I hope, of course that I am wrong and brexit will be a little hop onto a rainbow and then a gentle slide to the crock of gold at its end as so many brexiters believe it will, once the evil vampiric EU is left and preferably destroyed.

That coming from a Lib Dem supporter. They sat in Government and did absolutely sod all while Cameron, Osbourne et al drained us dry.

You have to understand what it is that made people vote the way they did. It isnt because we have all suddenly turned into wretched racists. Of course a lot of those who voted Leave were and are rabid, xenophobic Nationalists but its because consistently, successive Governments refused to listen to people who had genuine concerns. The left in particular have a lot to answer for for refusing to address what people wanted. The European Union doesn't work for us ordinary people and isn't democratic.

We're all, as I have to keep saying, not all Little Englanders. The referendum was a way of wrestling power back from the Government, albeit temporarily and allowing the people to have a say. Which they did.

This is what Tony Benn had to say about a referendum to decide whether to leave. Indeed he was a strong advocate for leaving. I wouldn't ever accuse Tony Benn of being a Trump supporter would you ? He'd be turning in his grave at the very thought of a President Trump.

"Members of Parliament are lent the powers by their constituents and they have to return those powers back, undiminished. Its not for Members of Parliament to give away the powers that were lent to them because they don't belong to Members of Parliament. They belong to the electorate"

Now we have the irrelevant Tony Blair chirping in. He's done his business. He's had his day and caused hundreds of thousands of people to loose their lives. He needs to shut up and go away.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:40 am

You have to understand what it is that made people vote the way they did. It isnt because we have all suddenly turned into wretched racists. Of course a lot of those who voted Leave were and are rabid, xenophobic Nationalists but its because consistently, successive Governments refused to listen to people who had genuine concerns. The left in particular have a lot to answer for for refusing to address what people wanted. The European Union doesn't work for us ordinary people and isn't democratic.

We're all, as I have to keep saying, not all Little Englanders. The referendum was a way of wrestling power back from the Government, albeit temporarily and allowing the people to have a say. Which they did.

On other wirds brexit has bugger all to do with the eu now the right wing have seized on the opportunity to take back control foir themselves ignoring parliament and the majority of the people on the basis of a badly flawed referendum.

That coming from a Lib Dem supporter. They sat in Government and did absolutely sod all while Cameron, Osbourne et al drained us dry.

I too used to be a libdem supporter they had no reason to go in for a coalition their hard core support has fi9nally left that particulkar station imo. They have ceased to be a political force.

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:54 am

Snowfire;1506865 wrote: That coming from a Lib Dem supporter. They sat in Government and did absolutely sod all while Cameron, Osbourne et al drained us dry.

You have to understand what it is that made people vote the way they did. It isnt because we have all suddenly turned into wretched racists. Of course a lot of those who voted Leave were and are rabid, xenophobic Nationalists but its because consistently, successive Governments refused to listen to people who had genuine concerns. The left in particular have a lot to answer for for refusing to address what people wanted. The European Union doesn't work for us ordinary people and isn't democratic.

We're all, as I have to keep saying, not all Little Englanders. The referendum was a way of wrestling power back from the Government, albeit temporarily and allowing the people to have a say. Which they did.

This is what Tony Benn had to say about a referendum to decide whether to leave. Indeed he was a strong advocate for leaving. I wouldn't ever accuse Tony Benn of being a Trump supporter would you ? He'd be turning in his grave at the very thought of a President Trump.

Now we have the irrelevant Tony Blair chirping in. He's done his business. He's had his day and caused hundreds of thousands of people to loose their lives. He needs to shut up and go away.

The power of a minority party in a coalition is mostly about restraining the excesses of the other party. Look at the Tories since the coalition to see the sort of characters that have been let loose. I'm also quite proud of the minimum wage as a Lib Dem achievement.

That's not to say Farron isn't a damp rag even in comparison with Clegg, who wasn't exactly Mr Charisma. And while I agree all parties underestimated the levels of discontent if we had more Lib Dem policies I think there would have been less discontent (generalised statement, I know) since of the 3 parties the Lib Dems are much more aware of this sort of thing about society as a whole - the other two are just too class based.

Nonetheless I stand by my statement about Trump voters, brexiters and other separatist movements. By voting as you did you made yourself part of that far right, separatist, nationalist movement. You have empowered its supporters here and abroad, encouraged racists to act (many have) and put a right wing Tory government in power - all before we even get to negotiations about brexit. These things you have done. NONE of them I think will help the ordinary people you think you acted for, but will help major corporations and reduce costs for the rich.

I don't think you personally are a racist though you have certainly helped their cause. You may not personally be a Trump supporter, but you voted for the same movement that brought him to power.

The big difference of course is that trump voters can change their mind and ditch him. If we brexit it is unlikely we will be allowed to just rejoin at the press of a button, should things not work out.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:01 pm

I'm as far away from the Trump and Farage circus as you can get. Tony Benn, Dennis Skinner, Bob Crow, George Galloway, Tariq Ali, Owen Jones. None of them rabid racists or Trump supporters. All good Socialists. Don't paint us all with the same ****ty brush. We voted out for good reasons and not Farages reasons

Lexit The UK Left - Wingers who want to leave the EU

superhorn · Post by **superhorn** » Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:32 pm

Trump is turning the swamp into a sewer and a cess pool . Ugh .

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:37 pm

superhorn;1506992 wrote: Trump is turning the swamp into a sewer and a cess pool . Ugh .

It's like he went out and hired everybody he could find who was the absolutely WORST possible choice for the job.

A Secretary of Education who never went to public school or taught a class.

A leader of the Environmental Protection Agency that wanted it abolished and sued it four times.

etc, etc.

In the words of Charleton Heston...