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FourPart;1468836 wrote: Accepted. I asked for neutral source. You provided it. Thank you.

However, it should also be noted, from that same article:



Which affirms that what was claimed is false & was more likely to be the ravings of some pervert grasping at straws, in a vain attempt to get off of the charge on religious grounds (knowing how PC this country has become) and not a cultural or religious requirement at all. Surely, on this much, at least, we are in agreement?


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The Muslim community have Indeed condemned the mens actions and I am heartened by that.

The woman making the racially aggrevated and ridiculous comments that have stirred up the trouble was a Somalian spokeswoman from Easton, Bristol, not a Mulsim spokeswoman. She appeared first on ITV West Thursday night In Bristol after the convictions. She was not speaking for Muslims. She was speaking for Somalians. She has not at any time mentioned the word Muslim as you have here.
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Oscar Namechange;1468839 wrote: Sigh

The Muslim community have Indeed condemned the mens actions and I am heartened by that.

The woman making the racially aggrevated and ridiculous comments that have stirred up the trouble was a Somalian spokeswoman from Easton, Bristol, not a Mulsim spokeswoman. She appeared first on ITV West Thursday night In Bristol after the convictions. She was not speaking for Muslims. She was speaking for Somalians. She has not at any time mentioned the word Muslim as you have here.
Actually I never mentioned the word 'Muslim' at all. It may have been included in the quote I included - from your (valid) link. The point is that it isn't a Somalian problem. Somalia don't have a problem with it. We, on the other hand, do.

I don't understand why you're arguing the point. I find the whole thing unconscionable, as do you. The only difference is that I find it unconscionable of anyone, regardless of who they are. You seem to find it particularly so when it involves other cultures / races / religions.
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FourPart;1468841 wrote: I don't understand why you're arguing the point.


And I thought you was quite bright.
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Bruv;1468844 wrote: And I thought you was quite bright.


Grammatical error... It should be ' And I though you were quite bright' not was.
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FourPart;1468841 wrote: Actually I never mentioned the word 'Muslim' at all. It may have been included in the quote I included - from your (valid) link. The point is that it isn't a Somalian problem. Somalia don't have a problem with it. We, on the other hand, do.

I don't understand why you're arguing the point. I find the whole thing unconscionable, as do you. The only difference is that I find it unconscionable of anyone, regardless of who they are. You seem to find it particularly so when it involves other cultures / races / religions.


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When a defence Is offered as a reasonable plea In court that raping children and trafficking them for prostitution Is part of his religion and culture, when exactly does that become Bristol's religion and culture ?
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Who said it did?
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FourPart;1468857 wrote: Who said it did? She did, on ITV West... hence the outrage In Bristol
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I believe the term was "Bristol's Problem", not "Bristol's Religion & Culture".
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FourPart;1468861 wrote: I believe the term was "Bristol's Problem", not "Bristol's Religion & Culture". So are you saying that the Christian, Sikh, Hindu, Chinese etc people of Bristol made them do It ?
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As usual you are making up 'quotes' and then accusing others of saying them. First you say that I used the word 'Muslim' when I didn't, saying that it was me who brought it up, when I did nothing of the sort. Then you say that the quote refered to Religion & Culture, when the term used was 'Problem', not 'Religion & Culture' - these are terms entirely generated within the 'quote' entirely by your imagination. The actual words were saying that it was not a Somali problem, but a Bristol Problem. No mention was made of ANY Religion or Culture. Now, totally out of the blue you come up with this:

So are you saying that the Christian, Sikh, Hindu, Chinese etc people of Bristol made them do It ?
The point being made is that just because the majority of these perverts are Somalian doesn't mean that all Somalians should be tarred with the same brush. Nor does it mean that just because a White sex offender gets prosecuted that all Whites should be tarred with the same brush.

The 'Problem' here is closer to home than perhaps you like to admit because of our own legal departments having let it go so far in the first place. You of all people should agree with this, after having constantly gone on about St Nick & his glorious achievements of 'discovering' what was already common knowledge. It is a case that when ANY criminal activity is accepted & ignored for so long, then people tend not to even consider it a criminal activity any more, taking the attitude of, "Well, everybody does it...". Therein lies the Problem. If it had been nipped in the bud, the problem wouldn't have escalated to this degree in the first place - or do you prefer the letting crops grow in order to move in for a mass harvest approach, in order to look more glorious in so doing?
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FourPart;1468902 wrote:

The point being made is that just because the majority of these perverts are Somalian doesn't mean that all Somalians should be tarred with the same brush.


The 13 convicted were not ' The Majority'.. They were ' all '... a majority Indicates a percentage... there was no percentage... they were all..
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Oscar Namechange;1468912 wrote: The 13 convicted were not ' The Majority'.. They were ' all '... a majority Indicates a percentage... there was no percentage... they were all..


It's official.............Somalians are all rapists......Not a majority......not a percentage......ALL of them.



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Bruv;1468913 wrote: It's official.............Somalians are all rapists......Not a majority......not a percentage......ALL of them.



(I have now adopted the read and understand what I want from anything and twist it to my own ends......way of looking at the world)


OK... let's try another angle... 13 English men are convicted of child rape and human trafficking In Bristol.... So that makes It a Somalian problem ?????
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I am going to lay down in a darkened room..............you have done me ead in.
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Bruv;1468918 wrote: I am going to lay down in a darkened room..............you have done me ead in.


Bruv code for ' I can't answer that'
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All of them were men, ergo all men are rapists. Your same logic holds true.
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FourPart;1468922 wrote: All of them were men, ergo all men are rapists. Your same logic holds true.


Rubbish... some child abusers are women.
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Oscar Namechange;1468925 wrote: Rubbish... some child abusers are women.
So how many of the 13 convicted, which you cite as all being Somalian were women? Your claim is that based on these 13 all being Somalian that all Somalians are rapists. My point is that all of them were male, therefore, by your argument, all males are rapists. Even your claim that some child abusers are women isn't really relevant, in the same way as not all rapists are Somalian.

You argument, as always, is fuelled by plain & simple Xenophobia. I would expect nothing less of you.
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FourPart;1468927 wrote: So how many of the 13 convicted, which you cite as all being Somalian were women? Your claim is that based on these 13 all being Somalian that all Somalians are rapists. My point is that all of them were male, therefore, by your argument, all males are rapists. Even your claim that some child abusers are women isn't really relevant, in the same way as not all rapists are Somalian.

You argument, as always, is fuelled by plain & simple Xenophobia. I would expect nothing less of you. Rapists come In all forms from all ethnic backgrounds Including women In child abuse.

I'll reiterate... If 13 English men from Bristol are convicted of child rape, then the problem lies with either the culture or the attitude of those English men. The mere fact that to the best of my knowledge, there have been no English men from Bristol convicted of human trafficking and grooming Indicates that the convictions Thursday are not that of a Bristol problem.

What people like you do, Is avoid the very Issue that could stop this happening again. You are so frightened and so quick to label others that you fail to address the problem and that Is exactly why 1,400 children went on to be raped In Rotherham because your loony liberalism won't face facts.. ie that In Rotherham, children were gang raped by an Independent report proving that 96 % of those abusers were of Pakistani origin. Only when you face facts, will child rape end. Yet, Instead, you fanny around defending and making excuses that will allow the grooming to continue.

Not all Somalian's are child rapists. Not all Pakistani men are child rapists. Not all Muslim's are child rapists and not all English men are child rapists. Yet In this case, no English, Chinese, Sikh, Hindu etc etc were Involved.

When the convicted offers a plea In court that his religion and culture dictates that he can rape children... HELLO.... that Is a culture difference.

Yet people like you are so terrified of agreeing with anything that bursts the bubble of your luvly Jubbly Muli-Cultural diversity that you can't see the facts and that Is, these men were all from the Somalian Community In Easton, Bristol.

The way forward and the way to tackle this ongoing problem of child rape on an unprecedented scale In this country Is to face facts and not pander about for fear of causing racial tension as they did In Rotherham, because the upshot of that, Is just more children having their lives destroyed.

When we had mass child abuse In this country In the Catholic Church, we looked at the Catholic church... Yet, what you want to do Is akin to making the entire population to blame for abuse In one arena of British society. With abuse In the Catholic church, there Is no way you'd Include every man In the country to that appalling scandal, yet In this case, that's exactly what you are trying to do because that makes you feel ' phew, that let's me off the hook and look how unracist and right on I am being'... Yet, It's steaming hypocrisy.

People like you are more danger to this pandemic of child rape In this country than any far right organisation because you deny, deny, deny and attempt to brush It away.

Only when the facts are recognised, and we sit down with ethnic communities and find ways together to stop this happening again, will It ever stop.

The only Xenophobia shown In this case Is from you. A Xenophobia that god forbid, the far right may have a point.
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A Xenophia that the Xenophobes have a point? Yeah, right.

You still don't get it do you (to coin your favourite phrase). I find the whole criminal act totally inexcuseable & deserving of the full penalties of the law, regardless of race, religion or colour. Justice is a keypoint of British History. Remember, Justice is meant to be blind. My 'liberal' view is that everyone should be judged equally & that everyone should be held equally responsible for their actions. The key 'liberal' word here being 'equally'. If treating everyone equally, rather than focus harder on any one individual race, colour, religion or culture is liberal then, yes, I am liberal - and proud to be so. Unlike yourself, my answer to the problem is not likely to be along the lines of sending them all (convicted or not) to the gas chambers.
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Yet recognising that this act was carried out solely by men from the Somalian Community and entering Into dialogue with both parties with the view of stopping a repeat Is the only way It will ever stop. Creating a race divide by denial and the hypocritical attempt to make It a British problem per say will never see a future of racial harmony. All you do Is create resentment... or maybe that's your plan.

In 2011 Bristol became a City of Sanctuary. We have many asylum seekers. When 13 men rape and prostitute children In that city, hey guess what ? The people have every damn right to be angry. That, Is normal. What Is not normal, Is people like you who try to equate the crimes to ' British men Included'.

What It needs, Is more open dialogue. Also a clear message that should the people of Bristol welcome them with warmth and generosity as they have, then they will be deported If they rape their children.

People like you who defend and will not accept differences of culture actually hold back social cohesion In this country. An migrant coming here must be fully aware of our culture and laws. Just the same as you loony liberals expect us to accept their culture. Dialogue with ethnic communities Is the only way to bring about cohesion. People like you merely hold It back.
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Oscar Namechange;1468938 wrote: Yet recognising that this act was carried out solely by men from the Somalian Community and entering Into dialogue with both parties with the view of stopping a repeat Is the only way It will ever stop. Creating a race divide by denial and the hypocritical attempt to make It a British problem per say will never see a future of racial harmony. All you do Is create resentment... or maybe that's your plan.


With Nationalistic (the Racist term used to disguise racism) attitudes intent on forcing Racial division, of course there can never be Racial Harmony. That is their agenda.

In 2011 Bristol became a City of Sanctuary. We have many asylum seekers. When 13 men rape and prostitute children In that city, hey guess what ? The people have every damn right to be angry. That, Is normal. What Is not normal, Is people like you who try to equate the crimes to ' British men Included'.
It is quite right that they should be angry, I agree, but my point is that they should be angry at ANYONE who make such actions, regardless of race. Your blinkered claims tend to ignore the fact that there are also a high number of whites who are also in prisons & on the sex offenders register.

What It needs, Is more open dialogue. Also a clear message that should the people of Bristol welcome them with warmth and generosity as they have, then they will be deported If they rape their children.
On this point we are in 100% agreement.

People like you who defend and will not accept differences of culture actually hold back social cohesion In this country.
Duhh - I'm the one one that's supporting differences of culture. You are the one that is seeking to strike a wedge against it, using Nationalism as your banner.

An migrant coming here must be fully aware of our culture and laws. Just the same as you loony liberals expect us to accept their culture. Dialogue with ethnic communities Is the only way to bring about cohesion. People like you merely hold It back.
I totally agree that they should be aware of & accept our culture & to abide by our laws. Nowhere have I ever said otherwise.

For us to accept a culture is not the same as being made to embrace it as our own. If I am Loony Left to be in favour of accepting it as such, then yes, I am proud to be Loony Left & I thank you for recognising me as such.
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FourPart;1468972 wrote: With Nationalistic (the Racist term used to disguise racism) attitudes intent on forcing Racial division, of course there can never be Racial Harmony. That is their agenda.



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How do you know that ? How many Nationalist meetings, conferences etc etc have you attended ? Apart from one dodgy geezer down your church, how many members of the far right have you met ?

As one example...the EDL supports Israel even funded by some British Jewish communities... so where's the racism ? They're meant to hate all Johnny Foriegners arn't they ?

How do you know they want to cause racial division ? How do you know that Is their agenda ? Who have you heard say that? Or are you just talking out of your backside again ?

I know hundreds of people In various nationalist factions. I have never ever heard anyone say that. You are In a fantasy world that If you keep telling yourself long enough and hard enough, It will come true.

No Nationalist Party or Org wants a divide of racial division... In fact you are very close to libel. For that to happen, there would be violence on the streets and no-one wants to see that... go and do some research before you come out with this claptrap.

Mass Immigration has happened. Virtual segregation In some Cities has happened through bad housing management. Balkanisation Is rife. White flight has begun to appear.

What Nationalists ask, Is that those here, assimilate and Integrate and contribute to our society and we do not change their host countries culture to appease any minority.

Yet you keep up with this belief that Nationalism Is about bringing chaos to the streets because It makes you feel right. I even offered you an Invite to come to a large meeting where key figures would be attending which by the way, Included ex EDL, so you could actually see and hear what Nationalism Is really about.... you chickened out.

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Is That the tactic these days ?
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Bruv;1468982 wrote: Is That the tactic these days ?


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Another mob

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RIP Marlene Guest.

A British Lioness who fought to the end to expose child grooming In the North of England. Part of her 10 year detailed research helped Professor Jay's Independent report. She got there In the end but she endured 10 years of threats, Intimidation and harassment by the very authorities put In place to protect the children. Nothing silenced her but the need to destroy her life over and above protecting children got her In the end.

She will go down In history. She will be remembered especially by every child In Rotherham she tried to protect. We will honour her every year. She did more to protect children than any spineless, gutless politician elected to do so. Marlene, I will miss you forever. You Inspired so many.
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